By on December 8, 2009

who'se the real winner?

The whole truck category continues to stumble through this terrible year. Year to date, the Tundra (-45%) is the big loser among the big trucks. Ford can claim the big PU title, but as usual, the Chevy/GMC duo combined outsells the F-Series. So who takes the crown? The Dakota is still in free-fall, while the ancient Ranger has the smallest YTD drop. The Transit Connect has connected quite well, and is the third best seller currently among the vans. Details follow:

Ranking by YTD Sales Nov. 09 sales % change YTD sales % change
Big Pickups
Ford F-series 30494 -20% 365416 -23%
Silverado/Avalanche 23474 -26% 297555 -36%
Ram PU 9787 -37% 165254 -28%
GMC Sierra 8371 -20% 99698 -36%
Toyota Tundra 6379 5% 70515 -45%
Nissan Titan 1501 47% 16894 -7%
Smaller Pickups
Toyota Tacoma 7633 -4% 102327 -24%
Ford Ranger 3271 -1% 51097 -18%
Chevy Colorado 1316 -47% 30614 -39%
Nissan Frontier 2007 71% 25427 -42%
Honda Ridgeline 1465 -14% 14943 -53%
Dodge Dakota 663 -62% 10072 -59%
GMC Canyon 452 -28% 9481 -30%
Vans
Ford Econoline 4705 -32% 77179 -34%
Chevy Express 3489 -56% 49140 -39%
GMC Savanna 650 -20% 11118 -47%
Ford Transit Connect 1165 6842
Sprinter 959 -23% 6808 -49%
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27 Comments on “November Sales Snapshot: Pickups and Commercial Vans...”


  • avatar
    davey49

    The Transit Connect slots right where the old Astro/Safari did.

  • avatar
    michaelryan55

    No real surprises here, other than the Canyon coming in at last among compact and mid-size pickups. With the 2009 redesign, I must say that I am shocked the Ram is faring so poorly.

    It will also be interesting to see if the Sprinter sees a boost in sales when it is reborn as a Mercedes-Benz braded product in our market.

  • avatar
    ash78

    Ahh, so they DO sell the new Silverado in a regular cab. That’s literally the first one I’ve seen (out of many hundreds).

  • avatar
    Odomeater

    Ford, Gm dominate full size pick ups. Tundra can’t compete in this arena. Titan up 47% with 1500 units sold? Nissan please leave this segment now.

  • avatar
    srh

    IMO the 25% import tax on pickup trucks doesn’t get *nearly* enough press.

  • avatar
    whynotaztec

    Gadzooks!  IIRC, Ford sold about 900k F-series in a calendar year not that long ago?   I knew things were bad, but that is a massive decline.

    Just as a comment, when GM switched the big vans to the “cats-eye” front end (like the first Avalanche) it become one of the most hideous things on the road.

    The Tundra is a good looking truck, and it appears to have the power, not sure why it isn’t doing better.

    • 0 avatar
      John Horner

      I think part of the Tundra’s problem is the intense loyalty existing pickup truck buyer seem to have to their brand of choice. GM and Ford didn’t screw up their trucks nearly as much as they did their cars from the 1970s through the 1990s, so there is less opportunity to make conquest sales.
      Today’s pickup truck buyers are not the fashion/fad buyers, it is people who really need a truck and are replacement buyers. This is a very tough market to crack, and the way it has been contracting there really is no good reason for newbies to bother.
      It turns out Honda was smart doing the trucklet thing with the Ridgeline. The got some incremental business without the cost of trying to take Detroit on head-first.
       

    • 0 avatar
      rnc

      The thing with toyota is that every truck they sell is one that GM/Ford doesn’t.  In the past the rest of thier business allowed them to take a loss on trucks as they built it up (kind of like walmart and pharmacies), there stratagy was just to bleed thier competition.  I do not know if that is the case anymore. 

    • 0 avatar
      baldheadeddork

      I think the problem with the Tundra is that Toyota still doesn’t understand the American truck market. The earlier Tundra and T100 were criticized for being too small to be a full size truck, and it’s like Toyota said “Fine. You want big, we’ll give you big.” The new Tundra can’t be criticized for being too small, but now its so big that it’s about as practical and easy to use as a Hummer.
       
      I think Nissan came a lot closer to the bulls eye with the Titan, but they let the truck get stale and haven’t promoted it enough.

    • 0 avatar
      Steven02

      @whynotaztec
      Some of the things I have heard about the Tundra…
      The steering wheel doesn’t give you a good view of the gauges.  The wheel is too small  to look through.  The tailgate has when putting too much weight on it.  The frame is far too weak and twist too easily.
      I also think that truck buyers didn’t really buy into the commercials that Toyota was producing with the trucks performing stunts.  Finally, Toyota has had inferior engine lineup.  The base V6, was more powerful than some competitors, but lacking in fuel economy.  The base V8 (4.7L) was lacking in fuel economy and power.  The top V8, is not as high as competitor in power, and not that much better in fuel economy.
      This is also probably the hardest market for Toyota to crack, they are not selling anywhere near what the goals were for the Tundra initially.  In fact, they converted one plant to build crossovers and all production of the Tundra is now in San Antonio.

  • avatar
    San Giuseppe

    Ford has the second best selling compact truck in the Ranger and they want to kill it because…?

    • 0 avatar
      Monty

      It’s by far the least updated nameplate on the list; Ford must make some serious coin on that little truck. Makes me wonder what sales would be if it was given a total makeover, complete with a new(ish) platform.

    • 0 avatar
      PeteMoran

      @ Monty (Burns)
       
      Australia has just received a new one – is that the US model too? Is it the same as the Mazda BT-50? We get a new 3L I4 turbo diesel. It won’t be able to unseat the Hilux/Tacoma in Australia however.

  • avatar
    PeteMoran

    Do people still contend that full-size PUs are being bought for the trades? They’re in some of the most severely effected unemployed groups. Those guys (construction, plumbing, electrical) are sitting on their arses just now with an already underwater previous boom/bubble pickup lease they can’t afford.
     
    Who the heck is buying these things? Is dwford out there somewhere, can you enlighten us/me?

  • avatar
    Odomeater

    As far as lamenting that Nissan would triple their (anemic) sales with a regular cab? No way. And Honda’s Ridgeline? A certified sales failure.

    • 0 avatar
      baldheadeddork

      Yeah, that jumped out at me, too. All of the reviewers loved that truck but it’s been a total failure on the sales charts.

    • 0 avatar
      davey49

      I’m pretty sure that Mexico doesn’t count with the 25% Tax
      Tell us why “No way” on Titan sales increasing if they had a regular cab.
      Nissan $27120
      Chevrolet $21845
      Dodge $21510
      Toyota $24105
      Ford $22355
      Price is why the Titan doesn’t sell, work truck buyers won’t pay that much for it. Work truck buyers want inexpensive full size trucks.
      with black bumpers, vinyl seats, regular cabs
      doesn’t even need the V8
      Nissan should have been selling a plain Titan all along, regular cab, 4.0L V6

  • avatar
    Dr Lemming

    Interesting that Toyota and Nissan’s mid-sized entries are outselling their big trucks.  Entering the full-sized class was a very expensive mistake for both of them.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      I don’t think it’s so much a mistake as it is a commentary on a) how hard it is to crack the market and b) how much the domestics have given up on the compact truck market.
       
      Toyota is in this for the long haul.  The Taco is just a beachhead, and it gives them something to fall back to, if needed.  The Tundra had the misfortune of coming out just as the recession hit, true, but it’s also worth noting that Toyota came through the recession with considerably better resources, especially since they hadn’t mortgaged their R&D as GM, or been in total chaos (like Chrysler).

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    The unique thing about the Ranger is that it is truly the only “compact” PU still available. Ford delayed closing it’s St. Paul, MN  plant where the Ranger is made. Seems fuel prices and the economy has helped Ranger sales for the time being.

    Remember that Toyota tried to crack the fullsive PU market back in ’93 with the awful T100. Only company I’ve ever seen that offers a bigger truck over their compact with a higher tow rating(5K vs 3.5K)but then offers you the same two motors available in the compact. Geez I wonder why they didn’t sell.  The first generation Tundra was nothing more than a re-badged T100 with a V8. Within the last few years they’ve finally offered a true fullsize truck to compete with the domestics.   
      

    • 0 avatar
      davey49

      Still, the few people who bought the T100 and early Tundras are now lifetime Toyota owners. I haven’t met an owner of a T-100 yet who didn’t think it was the best truck they’ve ever owned.

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    Even when I owned a Toyota truck I held my head in shame over the T100. It even looked wimpy. Thinking that truck could compete with the full size domestics offering nothing bigger than the  3.0 liter V6 was absolute lunacy. That’s what my compact Toy had in it and trust me it didn’t have the torque/HP to tow 5K comfortably. That was my biggest complaint with mine that even with the 3.0/5 sp, 3:73 rear end it was a real slug even with 3K behind it.  Toyota really dropped the ball on that one.

    Interesting about the T100 is they never sold very well but supposedly got snatched up pretty quickly on the used market. Go figure.

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