Zerocarbonista: Taking the Wind Out of Tesla's Sales, Or Just Taking the Mickey?

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  • Cdotson Cdotson on Dec 04, 2008

    While I haven't watched the video (present firewall blocks it) I'm not convinced that the existing petrochemical infrastructure would be in any way relevant to hydrogen fuel production/transportation. I'm guessing that many of the pipes/tanks/etc. used for petroleum are made of steel which can leak hydrogen like a sieve not to mention become significantly more brittle via hydrogen diffusion. Most hydrogen production that has been discussed has been via water electrolysis which would be better accomplished in proximity to nuclear power generating facilities leaving refineries irrelevant. I think the real reason that the "hydrogen economy" has been touted/supported is that it's some blue-sky ideal sufficiently separated from present reality that we can kid many people into thinking "it won't be long now..." and the world will be a happy place...all the while continuing business as usual. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with business as usual, but hydrogen is just the right carrot at the end of the stick that keeps the dumb mules slaving away while never getting any closer to the (impossible) goal. Protectionism-yes; not to translate assets into a particular future mold but to mold the future around the present assets.

  • Dr. Remulac Dr. Remulac on Dec 04, 2008

    Firewall blocks me as well. But judging from title and posts I think I get the gist. The main reason battery technology is not the cure all is because of something so basic: Energy Density. Batteries don't have it, hydrogen (not compressed) doesn't have it. Oil does. Compressed hydrogen is in the league of oil, but compressed liquid hydrogen is no picnic. Now from an energy use standpoint. There is no benefit to battery powered car compared to a petroleum powerd one. Look at Tesla's website numbers and you'll see their flaw. They assume the most modern, most efficient natural gas combined cycle turbine electric plants as their baseline electric power producer.

  • Rainbowmindrita Rainbowmindrita on Dec 04, 2008

    high hopes and figment sof the future...but if you want to gift me one to save a ew hydrocarbon releases into the atmosphere I won't complain. And it looks a bit like my first two cars~1967 Shelby GT500's!! Rita

  • Rainbowmindrita Rainbowmindrita on Dec 04, 2008

    Crickey-I have been booted? I feel the need for air powered vehicless or solar..as in off the ground and eliminate the road ways...flying about about in gliders would relieve us of the use of yet another environmentaly devastating hydrocarbon~icky sticky black tarry roadways. Poisonous wastelands criss cross our planet's surface. :D...About time everyone is waking up to the idea of using our resources wisely..they are limited even though most will delay and suspend the notion that the supply is endless..duh world~we are the great destroyers...use your yard as a garden, not a lawn..you will need your own food before long. R

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