Volt Birth Watch 117: GM-Volt.com Swings For The Fences

Edward Niedermeyer
by Edward Niedermeyer

This is what I get for taking a moment to check in at GM-Volt.com. The angry young Volt-lovers are freaking out about the possibility of GM not surviving until the Volt’s launch date, and the prospect of losing their beloved fetish object has folks in a “pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship” kind of mood. The emotional fervor that these people feel towards this nonexistant vehicle is such that their suggestions make handing a blank check to Detroit look like a good idea. The “ GM-Volt.com Viability Plan Suggestion,” was put forward by semi-retired NASA engineer Phil Toney, and man is it a doozy. The plan boils down to congress legislating that the entire government fleet (600k+ vehicles) be replaced with, you guessed it, Chevy Volts. But that’s not all…

According to GM-Volt.com founder Lyle Dennis, these “Chevy Volts should be sold to the government at premium and without a battery warranty. Each vehicle should be sold at a profit. And in so doing, and assuming sufficient battery pack quantities can be produced, they could be released earlier than the November 2010 deadline” (emphasis in original). This suggestion has been forwarded to “the highest-ranking GM executives” Dennis has access to, because as he puts it, “since the government is already spending billions on bad assets, how about a few billion on good assets!”

Except for the issues with GM rushing to even make the “late 2010” launch date, and the fact that they’ll only be able to build 10k per year. And then there’s the tiny problem of the $30b (600k vehicles x $50k) taxpayer price tag for an unproven product. But by all means, follow Dennis’s advice and forward the plan to your elected representatives. They could probably use a good laugh right about now.

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  • Geotpf Geotpf on Nov 30, 2008
    KixStart : November 28th, 2008 at 11:54 pm GM’s plans are to product 10K Volts in its first full year (2011) and perhaps 200K, total, by 2015. A vehicle built in these piddly quantities means nothing to our National Security. This is a car which GM can neither build economically nor sell at a profit. It can’t save GM but it can help take GM down. Absolutely true. The Volt exists because GM has negative "green" PR, due to the crushing of all the EV1s and things like the HUMMER. It's a PR exercise that will cost the company billions of dollars at a time when they are about to go out of business and can't afford to blow a couple billion dollars at looking green. GM has almost no idea how long the battery will last in practice and what form their warranty will take. Well, it's basically a hybrid, right? Then to qualify for tax credits and the like, the warranty on the battery and all hybrid-related components should be eight years, one hundred thousand miles or longer (the same as the warranty on the Prius's battery and hybrid parts). Of course, Congress could change the law to reduce this requirement if GM says the Volt's battery is too crappy to meet such a requirement.
  • Bertel Schmitt Bertel Schmitt on Nov 30, 2008

    @Greg Locock: Bravo. This argument should be made again, and again, and again.

  • Probert They already have hybrids, but these won't ever be them as they are built on the modular E-GMP skateboard.
  • Justin You guys still looking for that sportbak? I just saw one on the Facebook marketplace in Arizona
  • 28-Cars-Later I cannot remember what happens now, but there are whiteblocks in this period which develop a "tick" like sound which indicates they are toast (maybe head gasket?). Ten or so years ago I looked at an '03 or '04 S60 (I forget why) and I brought my Volvo indy along to tell me if it was worth my time - it ticked and that's when I learned this. This XC90 is probably worth about $300 as it sits, not kidding, and it will cost you conservatively $2500 for an engine swap (all the ones I see on car-part.com have north of 130K miles starting at $1,100 and that's not including freight to a shop, shop labor, other internals to do such as timing belt while engine out etc).
  • 28-Cars-Later Ford reported it lost $132,000 for each of its 10,000 electric vehicles sold in the first quarter of 2024, according to CNN. The sales were down 20 percent from the first quarter of 2023 and would “drag down earnings for the company overall.”The losses include “hundreds of millions being spent on research and development of the next generation of EVs for Ford. Those investments are years away from paying off.” [if they ever are recouped] Ford is the only major carmaker breaking out EV numbers by themselves. But other marques likely suffer similar losses. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fords-120000-loss-vehicle-shows-california-ev-goals-are-impossible Given these facts, how did Tesla ever produce anything in volume let alone profit?
  • AZFelix Let's forego all of this dilly-dallying with autonomous cars and cut right to the chase and the only real solution.
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