By on August 9, 2006

odd122.jpgFresh from some serious seat time in the Ford Mustang GT Convertible, Jonny Lieberman rang up TTAC HQ to schmooze about all things automotive. After listening to JL sing the praises of Ford's rear wheel-drive rag top, I tried to ease the conversation towards the tectonic shift from fuel-sucking SUV's to more economical cars. Only Loverman wasn't having it. Sure, he noticed a fleet of Prii and scoped a seaside parking lot stuffed with SUV's, but whether or not the Prii were statistically relevant or the SUV's were GMT900's escaped his attention. Anyway, speaking to Jonny reminds me of a line from "My Favorite Year," when one of the writers for a New York-based comedy show announces his intention to move to Hollywood. "How can you be funny in Hollywood?" the head writer demands. "No one's miserable enough!" And yet, somehow, he manages. 

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21 Comments on “Podcast: Lieberman Checks In (Again): Gabba Grabber Hey!...”

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    It sounds like Lieberman is getting some flack for just liking a car. However irresponsible as you like to make it sound, the fact is some consumers are compelled to buy cars for reasons other than transportation and practicality.

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    Sajeev Mehta

    I know at least two people who buy a car on color alone. I don’t get it, but there’s no doubt that colors do make the car.

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    Jonny Lieberman

    I just have to explain the photo. I was returning from Malibu and as I exited the freeway, a Mitsu Lancer caved in the front fender of a black C6.

    The above 1/4-shot of my noggin is my first attempt at photographin an accident that is behind me.

    I got it on the second atempt.

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    Jonny Lieberman

    Grabber Orange shouldn’t even be an option on the ‘Stang convertible — hell, they should primer the cars in it.

  • avatar
    Frank Williams

    Wow, Jonny! From the flack you’ve caught from your Mustang review, you’d think you had said something REALLY controversial like, say, admitting you watch NASCAR!

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    You watch NASCAR?

    I watch WRC and FIA GT

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    WRC FTW!!

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    I thought we replaced this guy with someone named Lamont.

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    SUV’s, for all their incorrectness, are at least reasonably durable vehicles and have been solid sellers for many years. Sales have only started to significantly decline in the last year and a half or so… So, don’t be surprised if they aren’t disappearing en masse for a while yet!

    I know exactly where you’re coming from… I had a ’06 Mustang GT convertible for a weekend a few weeks ago…
    WOW I now want one so bad!

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    WRC? FIA GT? Who is carrying those NOW in the US?

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    Jonny Lieberman

    Subaru and Mitsubishi for WRC

    Caddy, Dodge, Audi, Chevy, Mercedes, Ferrari, BMW, Aston Marting, etc for the GT stuff.

  • avatar
    Terry Parkhurst

    Jonny is now the second Lieberman to not understand that, as was the title of a great movie starring the late Don Ameche, “things change.” (For those who don’t read the front section of newspapers, Senator Joe Lieberman lost to anti-war Democrat; but nonetheless, “Holy Joe,” as he is disdainfully known on many blog-sites, such as the Daily Kos, plans to run as an independent – perhaps only to lose again in the fall.)
    Sport utilities had a place in America and likely always will. Many years ago, they were used by hunters, fishermen and other true outdoorsmen (and women). Now they are a tired old joke, clogging up our roads and never visiting the dirt.
    Escalades with 20 inch wheels and tires are machines that 20 years will be looked at by people not yet born, who will wonder “what were they thinking?”
    But unlike, say a 1959 Cadillac, which is an equally vulgar statement of design and engineering, it is highly unlikely that anyone will collect an Escalade. But then again, I could be wrong. If people are now paying $2 million (USD) for Plymouth ‘cudas that were maybe six grand new, who knows what will happen.
    So Jonny, my advice, for what it is worth, is buy an SUV but keep the miles low – at least if you want to make some money on it. For the rest of ya’ll buy an SUV and take it off road; or don’t buy it. Let GM and Ford turn this corner in history. As Bob Dylan once sang, “For the times, they are a changing.”

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    The escalade rolls on twanky deuces, not 20’s. The 1959 Cadillac was a wonderful symbol of American optimism and exuberance, do not insult it “vulgar” boy. If it was up to people like you we would all be driving beige Camry’s. I read on here that SUV’s are socially unacceptable. Not that individualist Americans care about the opinions of society, but where I’m from, driving a Fit or an Aveo is socially unacceptable. Oh and BTW don’t look for wisdom in the words of a whiny old hippie with a speech impediment.

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    Jonny Lieberman

    Are you calling me a whiny old hippie?

  • avatar
    Lesley Wimbush

    Haahaa… I think he was referring to Bob.

    The new Mustang is a hot looking car, a l’orange or otherwise, although a bit bodacious for me. I prefer the leaner look of the original.
    From a purely recreational point of view, there ain’t nothing like cruisin’ with the top down (although I despise the taste of my own hair). Aesthetically, I prefer coupes, they look more finished.

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    Sajeev Mehta

    the 1959 Cadillac was a wonderful symbol of American optimism and exuberance, do not insult it “vulgar” boy.

    2006300c: We all think that now, but few people did back in 1959. Most found it over the top. Tailfins were getting out of control by then, even Caddy saw the writing on the wall and toned them down the next year.

    Replace tailfins with dubs, and the two Cads have a lot in common…historically speaking. :)

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    Terry Parkhurst

    The landing on the moon was a real moment of American optimism, not just an empty symbol. The 1959 Cadillac makes me smile; but I see it as a relic of that time when we looked at the Mid-East as nothing more than America’s own gas station (to borrow a phrase from NY Times columnist Tom Friedman).
    The Chevrolet Aveo is fun to drive if you don’t mind a rubbery shifter and if you are secure enough in your own masculinity and sense of place in life to understand that sometimes, a car is just a car. Besides, the exterior design of the Aveo is courtesy of Ital Design and to my eye (and many others) beats the heck out of the ’59 “rocket tail” Cadillac.
    As far as taking advice from “an aging hippie with a speech impediment”, he could buy and sell you, many times over “2006300c” – not that it’s the only thing that separates him from you (or the most important).
    They will remember his name and his songs, for decades after you are pushing up daisies. In that sense, he will live longer and has achieved more than (my hunch) you ever have and ever will. That’s what America is really about, bub.

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    Quick – where is the best place on earth to live? Obviously the answer is: it depends on your values and resources. Why is it so hard to figure out that vehicles are the same? SUV’s are the best choice for some people – they are not an irrational choice even if you never leave the pavement.

    For many they are the best choice for largely emotional reasons – but most of our decisions come down to emotions. We are emotional creatures. Recycling household garbage makes no practical sense, but it makes people feel better about the environment. If you don’t mind paying for that.

    And if you have the money to live in the suburbs and drive a big SUV because it makes you feel powerful – go for it. We are eventually going to run out of oil no matter what anyone drives. And besides, Al Gore is using a lot more precious oil flying around the world then you ever will in your SUV. If people really wanted to use the earth’s limited resources in the most efficient way, they would all be unabashed capitalists, but most aren’t.

    I think older TV shows have a lot to teach us. There was an episode of the Get Smart show with Laraby, Max and the Chief locked in an airtight bank vault. As Laraby started to do jumping jacks, Max and the Chief freak out. As Laraby said, “You use your air your way, and I’ll use my air my way.”

    Damn, I would look good in that Mustang.

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    We got most of our oil from Texas back than actually, and the less said about “the world is flat” Freidman the better. The Aveo is a car that GM made to help with CAFE fleet standards and this Daewoo with a Chevy badge crayoned to it is just a way for GM to make money off of stretched students and tightwads without doing any significant R&D work. Most cars that people like are turned into models and replicas to commemorate them. There are about 4 different 59 caddy versions in the 1/18th scale alone. No aveos, daewoos or priuses though. History has spoken; the meek shall not inherit the road or the bookshelf. I called Dylan a WHINY old hippie BTW. I’m 19 and I believe that Bobby is in his 60’s, so I would hope he has achieved more than me because it would be sad if he hadn’t. This man was nothing more than a cheerleader for a generation of spoiled brats (baby boomers) who all pretended to be third world revolutionaries and than became some of the most cutthroat capitalists ever spawned. What generation had the income to begin the SUV craze? Huh, Bub?

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    “2006300c” you’re too funny.

    Remember: You are to Dylan as Aveos are to your befinned Caddy.

  • avatar
    Jonny Lieberman

    But as D. Boon said, “Mr. Narrator, this is Bob Dylan to me.”

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