By on October 13, 2021

Ford will be reducing output for the 2022 Mustang GT and Mach 1 coupe. Both models will have 10 fewer horsepower and 10 fewer pound-feet of torque than the previous model year, with the culprit being emission compliance. Changes reportedly only pertain to the 5.0-liter Coyote V8. 

That means EcoBoost Mustangs, as well as the Shelby GT500’s supercharged 5.8-liter, will go unaffected. First reported by Ford Authority, the modifications have since been confirmed with the manufacturer. However the automaker hasn’t told us precisely what’s been changed on the Coyote engine, why the decision has been made, how it might impact performance.

We were under the impression that this might have been a global tweak to appease European regulations as the restrictive Euro 7 rules inch closer to reality. But Road & Track managed to get a Ford representative to finger the Low-Emission Vehicle (LEV III) Program adopted by the California Air Resources Board (CARB).

“Changes were made to meet more stringent LEV III regulatory emissions requirements that resulted in a horsepower and torque reduction for the 5.0-liter [V8] engine,” Ford spokesperson Claire Carroll told the outlet.

From R&T:

This means the 2022 Mustang GT should arrive to market with 450 hp and 410 lb-ft, while the Mach 1 will make 470 hp and 410 lb-ft. Those are still respectable figures and remain comparable to offerings from Chevrolet and Dodge. That said, we’ll have to wait and see if customers are willing to accept a less powerful product. This hasn’t been a problem for the Blue Oval in Europe thus far, where the Mustang GT makes just 444 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque.

Ordering for the 2022 Mustang is reportedly open now, with deliveries expected to take place during Q1 of next year.

We’re wondering if sales will be affected and how this will play out for naturally aspirated engines moving forward. One of the main reasons forced induction has made such a colossal comeback is due to emission restrictions. Back in the day, turbos were a slick way of getting the most out of a small engine bay. They’ve since become the only way for some models to keep output high without running afoul of regulatory limits, providing history with an opportunity to repeat itself.

Throughout the 1970s, the V8 looked to be in serious trouble and industry was having problems keeping pace with environmental regulations in general. Large engines were outputting far less than their counterparts from a decade earlier and still managed lackluster fuel economies. By the 1980s, companies began trending toward smaller motors and lighter (arguably shittier) cars to maximize efficiency. But even the most svelte of hatchbacks are a bit of a snooze when the typical inline four (and sometimes V6) was rated well below 100 horsepower. Manufacturers quickly learned that they could breathe some new life into utilitarian powertrains by turbocharging them, resulting in some of my all-time favorite sleeper builds.

However, with modern government officials having reoccurring wet dreams about electrification, V8s may not make a comeback this time around. Engineers have told me that internal combustion vehicles seem to be tapped out in terms of efficiency improvements and the development money is now going toward figuring out a way to make EVs work for the general public thanks to strict regulations. That doesn’t seem to bode well for the Mustang (or its rivals) and we’re wondering if the next few years will result in similarly diminished outputs until the inevitable demise. Though that’s probably how most auto journalists felt in during the prior “Decade of Greed” before things eventually turned around and large V8s came back into fashion.

[Image: Ford Motor Co.]

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98 Comments on “2022 Ford Mustang V8 Will Be Down on Power...”


  • avatar
    Syke

    Big whoop. The only thing this is going to affect is bragging rights, most likely amongst owners who don’t have the driving skills to make use of the couple of extra horses, anyway.

    Wake me when it’s announced that all two door Mustangs are being fitted with the Mach-E (it’s a Mustang because Ford says it is, and they’re both the manufacturer and holder of the trademark) drivetrain. That’s when things will get interesting.

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      They barely have the driving skills to make use of more than 200 of the horses if YouTube videos are any indication!

    • 0 avatar
      Kendahl

      A Mustang body with all wheel drive Mach-E power would get my attention. (I’m already looking at a Tesla Model 3 Long Range.) Call it the Mustang-E. I’ll never understand why Ford tied the Mustang name to its electric SUV. Simply calling the SUV the Mach-E would have been fine and would have avoided corrupting the Mustang’s image. It makes me wonder if Ford wants to quit making Mustang bodies.

  • avatar
    wolfwagen

    Add a tuning chip/device and you get the 10 HP & TQ back plus some. Problem solved.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Isn’t this North Korean like administration attempting to ban any sort of modification like that?

      Didn’t the EPA just fine some random guy because he sold a couple Honda ECUs?

      https://tiremeetsroad.com/2021/06/17/pfi-speed-fined-18000-by-epa-for-selling-37-hondata-s300-ecu-plug-in-modules-over-two-year-period/

      • 0 avatar
        Nick_515

        North Korea? You must B Flexing…

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        I would prefer the Swiss educated and clearly lucid Chairman Kim Jong-un at this point. He makes for a much more compelling front man for the Party/military leadership.

        • 0 avatar
          Nick_515

          How about Giuliani, would you prefer him? I mean, he’s clearly highly educated and also an incredibly stable luminary, wouldn’t you say?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Eh, Giuliani feels like GWB Part II (or part IV depending on how you want to look at things). No sequels for me thanks.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Giuliani is like George W. Bush? Maybe if ol’ W had drank 16 gallons of Red Bull and watched “Natural Born Killers” with his eyes pinned open, “Clockwork Orange” style.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I am arguing the policies of a theoretical Giuliani Administration would largely mirror those of GWB’s. Ditto a McCain Admin, and largely Obama’s actual policies (endless deficit spending, wars as foreign policy, his Asian foreign policy).

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            A Giuliani Administration would be a lot closer to Trump’s. Like Trump, he operates on anger and grievance, and is much more concerned with taking out his grievances than advancing any coherent policy agenda.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “A Giuliani Administration would be a lot closer to Trump’s.”

            So….amazingly effective, low gas prices, low inflation, a secure southern border, less Covid death, etc?

            I mean it’s cute that we don’t have mean tweets anymore to trigger people like yourself, but having a coward of a president that turns his back on every citizen when he’s done giving an incoherent speech and refusing to answer questions is getting old. Why is he cowering in the corner?

            Thankfully people are catching on that he is the amazingly ineffective, has not kept one campaign promise, and is already the absolute worst president this country has had. Poll numbers sinking faster than the Titanic.

  • avatar
    Rboz

    I am just grateful we had 2 posts this week before noon(EST).

  • avatar
    pmirp1

    Still plenty of power. My 2014 port fuel injected (prior to direct injection) naturally aspirated GT premium Deep Impact Blue still is a riot. I think it has 400 or so horsepower and same number torgue. Plenty fast enough for street. The only thing I did to it was have a great tuner in Atlanta add Ford racing 4.10 gear ratio. That thing is a riot, and the easiest car to get the back end fishtail.

    Get it before tyranny of electric all wheel drive vehicles are here. These are still fun, just get the manual.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Nikita Khrushchev says while pounding his shoe on the TTAC table

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        Compared to yours, the ’18+ Mustang GTs are overrated. They got a bump in power, but didn’t get any faster, thanks to the new (slower) gearing in the manual trans, ’18+.

        The prior Mustang GTs produce slightly more wheel torque, that you can feel. So 5th became an (another) overdrive (instead of direct drive) and 1-4 more spread apart, with a noticeable higher top-speed in each.

        Now if Ford changes back to the ’17 and older gearing, then it could more than make up for this power loss. I doubt it would change emission (output), and a 4.10 option would be awesome.

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    I’m devastated… Anyway, anything new about the Maverick/Bronco/Bronco Sport?

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    Whew! Reading the headline I thought this was going to be a story about an electric Escape.

    Nice to see the Mustang name being used properly here.

  • avatar
    Imagefont

    Let’s see: over powered car driven by fat, nearsighted old guys with goatees is now slightly less over powered. It’s all over for Ford.
    Ford should install a power lift chair to and power door opener to lift the driver out of the car more gracefully and with less grunting, and less chance of the fat decrepit driver throwing out his back.

    • 0 avatar
      CaddyDaddy

      Imagefont… Ya I would be bitter too if I drove the copy of Saul Goodman’s Esteem.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      You doing okay, buddy?

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      There’s a video making the rounds this week of 70 year old Caitlyn *Bruce* Jenner getting out of *his* Porsche to get gas, *He* throws *his* legs out, grapples the door frame and ejects *himself* straight out.

      There comes a time when a *guy* just can longer wear mini-skirts… Yikes!

      • 0 avatar
        Margarets Dad

        ….nice to know that transphobia has a home here at ttac.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Bruce Jenner is an old man in a dress with all his boy bits fully intact. He’s a scam artist who took a cross-dressing fetish and cashed in.

          So, “Margrets Dad”, do you know anything about cars or do you just peruse the internet looking for excuses to virtue signal?

          • 0 avatar
            Margarets Dad

            Do you know anything about cars? I don’t see you saying anything intelligent here, just spouting homophobia.

            “Virtue signaling”? Oh gawd.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Lie2Me:

            Jenner’s dude parts are long gone. To be more accurate, they’ve been…repurposed. I am not going to go into further detail.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Thanks for confirming what I said. You can’t even make up your mind what your nose is out of joint about. How did I go from transphobic to homophobic? Do you even know the difference?

            So, “Margrets Dad”, how do you feel about the Mustang’s drop in horsepower and torque?

            Can’t wait to hear your response

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Freedmike, I highly doubt that you can back-up what you said, Bruce Jenner has never admitted to having the “snip”. Knowing how his family operates there would have been a huge HBO special commemorating the event

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Lie2Me:

            https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/caitlyn-jenner-confirms-gender-reassignment-surgery-on-2020-w478306/

            Unless she’s lying, the boy parts went under the knife and are now lady parts.

            Yes, Jenner’s a fame w*ore, but how she wants to “commemorate” the transition is up to her, I suppose.

          • 0 avatar
            Dan

            Umm, Bruce’s “dude parts” are his entire body. I feel like I’m living in Alice in Wonderland more by the day.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            So…Jenner wants to trade his penis in for a vagina, and this is skin off your nose…because?

          • 0 avatar
            Dan

            Because people like you continually asking us to deny our lying eyes gets awfully [redacted] old.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            FreedMike, “I don’t want to talk about it” is just the kind of copout answer I would suspect from a liar like Bruce Jenner. We know every detail about his life and family, but a life altering operation, he doesn’t want to talk about

            Ok, sure

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Dan:

            When did I ask you to do anything? All I asked was how the guy trading in dude gonads for girl gonads affects you.

            @Lie2Me:
            People have the right to talk about their medical procedures or not talk about it. What’s the big deal?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “There’s a video making the rounds this week of 70 year old Caitlyn *Bruce* Jenner getting out of *his* Porsche to get gas, *He* throws *his* legs out, grapples the door frame and ejects *himself* straight out.

            There comes a time when a *guy* just can longer wear mini-skirts… Yikes!”

            @Lie2me – I hate you! I don’t think there’s enough booze on the planet to drown the image you planted in my brain.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “@Lie2Me:
            People have the right to talk about their medical procedures or not talk about it. What’s the big deal?”

            Unless its a rushed covid vaccine. Then it’s “zee papers please”

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Christ on a bike dude, take your newspeak elsewhere.

      • 0 avatar
        Margarets Dad

        Lie2me, waiting to hear your response too. You haven’t said anything about the car either.

        Ever heard the acronym LGBT? Homophobia pretty much covers hatred toward anyone covered by one of those initials. Yes, I know the difference.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Margaret called she said you’re an idiot and to just ignore you. She said you don’t know anything about trans people, homosexuals or Mustangs

        • 0 avatar
          nrcote

          Margarets Dad > Ever heard the acronym LGBT?

          You’re trolling, or you’re messed up. Please stop, or get help.

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “Lie2me, waiting to hear your response too. You haven’t said anything about the car either.

          Ever heard the acronym LGBT? Homophobia pretty much covers hatred toward anyone covered by one of those initials. Yes, I know the difference.”

          Don’t worry about him. Hes a raging, brainwashed bleeding heart liberal (Like Lou BC) and interestingly, Lie2Me is a homophobic/transphobic and Lou is a racist.

          Party of tolerance though…………..

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “There’s a video making the rounds this week of 70 year old Caitlyn *Bruce* Jenner getting out of *his* Porsche to get gas, *He* throws *his* legs out, grapples the door frame and ejects *himself* straight out.

        There comes a time when a *guy* just can longer wear mini-skirts… Yikes!”

        Wow….intolerant and transphobic. So are you a fake liberal then? The party of *tolerance* would not be happy with you.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    “…development money is now going toward figuring out a way to make EVs work for the general public thanks to strict regulations. That doesn’t seem to bode well for the Mustang”

    Not so. The Mustang Mach-E GT Performance has 480 HP and 634 ft-lbs of torque. Those figures will certainly rise in the future.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      “Those figures will certainly rise in the future.”

      Weight should be coming down as well as gravimetric battery density improves. With our Leafs, battery density was measured in 100’s of Watt hours per kilogram. Now it’s 200’s of Watt hours per kilogram. They are now getting ready for batteries in the 300’s and higher.

  • avatar
    Dan

    10 horses don’t mean anything here but the principle of California continuing to incrementally California us all is as alarming as ever.

    New cars stopped being a meaningful source of pollution many tightenings prior.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Losing 10 HP isn’t going to affect this car much.

  • avatar
    olddavid

    As I have aged and become more realistic in my appraisal of myself, I have found that 300 is my horsepower sweet spot. Enough to allow 2200 rpm cruise at 75 while also being able to irritate the neighbors when new tires are needed. A friend just recently became the owner of a Coyote-powered Mustang of 2016 vintage. I’m not sure of the power specs, but his visage has completely changed because he never used to smile. I am thankful that I have been able to enjoy two Golden Ages of power and engineering.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      That about sums it up. Enjoy the ride. I’m at a point in my life where that’s all I care about.

    • 0 avatar
      CoastieLenn

      @olddavid: I’ve recently discovered that same thing. I realized that, while my Marauder is completely stock, I still don’t have many opportunities to wring it out. Our highest speed limit here is 55 and that’s second gear. I don’t need any more than that, and 300-310 is plenty for me.

  • avatar
    BSttac

    CARB is a joke. Ford should have either not sold the Mustang in communist states or tweaked the engine to find another 10hp somewhere.

  • avatar
    whynotaztec

    Power down to comply with emissions – is it 1973 again?

    Of course we are now in a world where 470/410 is characterized as “respectable.”

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Stagflation, oil run up, emissions compliance, unpopular presidents – except for a major embargo* the 70s are back!

      *the “chip shortage” may become characterized as one at some point

  • avatar
    CoastieLenn

    Serious question:

    Why does it seem that the CARB is allowed to dictate federal law? They’ve basically forced the auto industry to bend to their will since their inception in 1967, having special emissions regulations just to sell a car there.

    Tangentially, why does the federal government allow CARB to dictate things of this magnitude that effect national industries? I work closely with the EPA and when it comes to matters of air quality, the EPA seems to only serve as the federal reps/voices that enact CARB policies.

    I understand that, to a point, if the Fed can have a state pay for their own research, and the Fed can just enact the laws/policies that they didn’t have to fund, its a bit of a win/win, but it also seems that there’s a blind following going on here, like the CARB knows it’s more powerful than the Fed… and the Fed is perfectly ok with that.

    • 0 avatar
      Matt Posky

      Other than California being the state where the most cars are sold, I would guess there’s some kind of low-grade government cabal. The EPA often changes leadership between administrations as well. But CARB has had Mary Nichols at the helm since 2007 and from 1979 to 1983. Even when she wasn’t working for the board directly, she was still advising California governors on democratic policy. During the Clinton administration, she even worked for the EPA and was supposedly instrumental in advancing cap-and-trade schemes.

      • 0 avatar
        CoastieLenn

        I mean, I understand why the CARB was first enacted. I get that they had massive air quality issues in California. Now though, it seems like the CARB is a state sanctioned, federally backed version of a union. Like unions, they’ve moved so far beyond what they were initially created to do, no longer really have any relevance to exist based on the reason for their creation, effect massive multi-national industries with every decision they make or desire they express, and yet they soldier on unchecked.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          That’s true and CARB was actually massively successful in just under twenty years. But then of course, heaven forbid we declare victory and go home when there is an opportunity to enact a technocratic dictatorship over major industries under the guise of “for the [INSERT BULLSH!T]”.

          In short, CARB could be summed up as:

          You either die a hero
          or
          live long enough you become the villain. <—- YOU ARE HERE.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            They all start off innocent enough. The Taliban, The Thin Blueline, Sinaloa Cartel, etc, and now The CARB.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Now *that* is an interesting list, in part because its all over the place. I wonder what it would be like if you could get them to all sit in a room and plot foreign policy.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            They’re all evil, serve a purpose and extremely efficient on how they go about it. They just serve themselves.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “They’re all evil,”

            The thin blue line is evil.

            What a psychotic statement. Is the thin red line eveil too?

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      Mary Nichols is a ball buster, World Class. She forced trucking companies and industries out of business, or out of California, then the great state has the nuts to give out billion dollar infrastructure contracts to out of state contractors, since the California contractors can’t compete.

      But The CARB can only dictate what happens in CARB states. Except automakers can’t afford to build vehicles to two standards. Or three counting Europe. Also non CARB autos can’t be sold or registered in CARB states.

    • 0 avatar
      CoastieLenn

      @Matt Posky- maybe that’s a new OpEd or article? “Is it time to phase out California’s Exception”? A commenter on another outlet (about this article) brought up that with California’s air quality now on par with the majority of the country, and as Mike pointed out below, the fact that their edicts create undue burden on commerce, it might be time for the Fed to examine removing California’s exception to create it’s own stringent regulations.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        So…states’ rights are great except when it’s California’s states’ rights.

        No one’s constitutional rights are trampled by a Mustang making 10 less horsepower, folks. Choose a different hill to die on. May I suggest “no, giving folks to water while they’re waiting in line to vote is not a threat to our republic”…or something along those lines?

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      “Why does it seem that the CARB is allowed to dictate federal law?”

      They absolutely do not dictate Federal Law. Auto manufacturers are free to make non-CARB vehicles if they want. They just can’t sell them in CARB states.

  • avatar
    ajla

    I won’t say this knocks the Mustang GT off my new car shopping list, but unless Ford is also knocking 3% of the prices it’s definitely a mental demerit.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    OOOOOOOOHKAAAAAAAAAY. There are a growing number of CARB states including California, Connecticut, Colorado, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Washington D.C. Most of these states have strict emission standards and require vehicles to be tested annually or biennially (every other year). So that ought to take care of all the “Kalifornia Kommenters” We have now reached such levels of discourse; although I have grave doubts about the commenter intellect, that anything they disagree with is “Communist”. Well Sparky what kind of communism are you talking? Marxists-Leninsts striving to improve the proletariat? Chairman Mao’s furthering the Chinese state? A Soviet, then Sino-inspired form of communism that evolved into a cult or personality? I’m waiting for all the witty and well-thought responses. If your sphincter aches because you don’t like President Biden, Nancy Pelosi, or your ward alderman some study of political systems might loosen you up a bit. Hint: The U.S. government isn’t a bit like communism. Don’t understand that? I humbly suggest you use three or four of your digits to loosen your sphincter and your mind. There’s not much difference between the two.

  • avatar
    Oberkanone

    Return of the Malaise Era

  • avatar
    Tele Vision

    That 10HP loss will be right up in the ketchup so don’t worry about it, unless you wring out every gear up into the limiter. We drive torque on this Continent, not horsepower.

  • avatar

    Best and Brightest if I remember the few times it was talked about in the old days was for sure tongue and cheek. Mostly driven by the blogger mantra of Never Read The Comments. A few times I recall Jack also said it wasn’t completely tongue and cheek as the commenters on TTAC tended to be older, better educated and wealthier then other auto blogs per the data they had.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      Farago coined it before Baruth was even a writer here. While it was slightly tongue-in-cheek, it was mostly sincere. RF did enjoy interacting with us and the TTAC comment section was generally considered a point of pride for him.

      However, for better or worse, back when the term first came into usage the site was much more strictly moderated, had way more regular commenters, and was way less political. It was also going bankrupt every 6 months.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        “It was also going bankrupt every 6 months.”

        Come again?

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          Because RF was fiercely independent he shunned all commerical ads. So it was very difficult to make money on the site.

          He did have a professional partnership with TrueDelta to keep the lights on but several times he wrote about how he’d need to add paywalls or subscriptions to TTAC:

          thetruthaboutcars.com/2006/07/ttac-bites-
          the-advertising-bullet-help-wanted/

          thetruthaboutcars.com/2006/06/the-truth-about-this-website-and-its-future/

          Eventually he realized there is no way a paywall would work so he sold TTAC to corporate overlords. It took like a month for that relationship to deteriorate to the point that RF quit. Later on those corporate overlords sold the site to the current corporate overlords.

  • avatar
    turbo_awd

    Everything ends eventually. Anyone actually think 20-30 years ago that the majority of personal vehicle drivers would would still be driving ICE vehicles in 2250? 2200? 2150? Where’s the cutoff? At some point, something’s gotta.

    And heck, if you want to hate on CA – they just passed a regulation / law that bans sales of new small ICE engines (lawn mowers, leaf blowers, etc) in 2024, IIRC. In my opinion, can’t come soon enough. (btw, DC’s version of the same law goes into effect this year, so it’s not CA being first). I can’t wait to NOT be woken up by lawnmowers / weed whackers / chainsaws / leaf blowers on the weekend in the future.

    I’m going to enjoy the crap out of my Stinger GT, and sure, my next car will probably be electric, once they make a model that can handle track days (and isn’t a Tesla) and is reasonably affordable. And guess what – I won’t miss the (*@&#$ rude neighbors who rev their Scat packs / Mustang GTs and race to 75+ in strictly residential areas, just because they’re pricks, at all hours of the night. My kids are walking to/from school, I’d like to get a decent night’s sleep, etc. Go find a track.

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