By on July 12, 2019

2016 Chevrolet Silverado crew cab blue

General Motors is issuing a recall on select Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups, including HD models. According to Transport Canada, trucks equipped with a power sliding rear window could have a defroster circuit that can melt itself or, in rare instances, catch fire.

As no fix currently exists, GM is asking owners to bring their vehicles into the dealership so that the fuse for the rear defroster can be disconnected while it works on finding a better solution. The recall encompasses 159,240 trucks from the 2014-2019 model years. 

While one would presume that U.S. vehicles would be similarly affected, no such recall exists within the United States ⁠— not yet. GM spokesman Daniel Flores told Automotive News that the manufacturer was actively investigating U.S. models, noting that reports of fires were uncommon.

“When investigated, GM has found evidence of smoke and localized melting conditions, but no fire propagation,”Flores said. “Further, the rate of occurrence in the Canadian vehicle population, given the climates and usage patterns, is significantly higher than the rate of occurrence in the U.S.”

While it’s true that Canada is closer to the Arctic Circle, the Northern United States still spends a significant portion of every year defrosting windows and nobody wants to smell melting plastic while they’re driving —temperate climate, or not. Americans also buy a hell of a lot more pickup trucks. The United States purchases almost as many Silverados per month as Canada does in an entire year.

GM’s planning on notifying its Canadian customers via mail with a subsequent notice on how to proceed once a fix has been developed. We’ll keep you posted on the U.S. front.

 

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96 Comments on “Fire Risk: GM Recalls 160,000 Canadian Pickups, No News on U.S. Models...”


  • avatar
    Hummer

    Too bad this isn’t on the newer trucks, help cull the herd early.

  • avatar
    thelaine

    Don’t blame Chevy. Canadians just do not know how to use rear defrosters.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      this is probably another issue caused by the metric system.

      We might be lumbered with it, but at least we still have the far superior Robertson screws.

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        Agreed. The metric system is totally random and illogical and I pity the countries that are saddled with it.

        Regarding Robertson screws, there can be no debate. Luckily, the CIA’s “Operation Screw Canada” created the Torx screw in 1967, which is arguably in the same ballpark. It took decades and cost billions, but you can’t put a price on national pride. Most people here don’t actually use them. We just needed to prove a point.

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          There are two types of countries: Those that use the metric system, and those that have been to the moon.

          • 0 avatar
            ffighter69

            Hate to burst your bubble, well not really because I love doing this to Amuricans. Most of the engineers for NASA on the Appollo project were Canadians when the Avro Arrow project in Canada was shut down. Also NASA has been using metric for a long, long time.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            NASA began using the metric system in 1990. They’ve since accomplished nothing that compares to what they did previously. Most of the Apollo engineers being from the Avro Arrow project is something a person with beady little eyes and a flapping head would say. Avro was never big enough to contribute most of the engineers, for an example of one way that your assertion is doomed. I get it that you’re still sore about all the smart Canadians who left to pursue their fortunes in the US. The intellectual impoverishment caused by the brain-drain is on full display in your comment.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @ffighter69: You’re right. Here’s a link to the Apollo AGC computer code and sure enough, it’s metric:

            https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/blob/master/Luminary099/CONIC_SUBROUTINES.agc

            https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            @AGC, Would that be the same AGC that failed at the last minute prompting Neil Armstrong to take over and manually land on the surface?

            Honestly I’m pleasently surprised by all this…I just came for idiotic “we never went to the moon” comments from the usual morons

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @ToddAtlasF1 – “There are two types of countries”

            Wow.

            Enter this into google: “countries that don’t use the metric system”

            “At this time, only three countries—Burma, Liberia, and the US—have not adopted the International System of Units (SI, or metric system) as their official system of weights and measures.”

            The metric system is superior to the “imperial” and “customary” systems of measurement.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Lou, If you were smarter than a toaster pastry and hung better than a gerbil, you’d have a sense of humor. Sorry. It’s hard to believe that you and golden2husky are two different people. That stinks for the rest of us.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @ToddAtlasF1 – if one considers the usual tripe you post… you tend to be serious about that sort of thing… or did you mean it as a serious comment and due to complete embarrassment, you are now claiming sarcasm?

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Like any good joke, there is an undercurrent of truth. A third of English measurement unit countries have been to the moon, while metric countries are 0 for 192. The fact is that thelaine made an absurd joke about Canadians being responsible for a problem caused and denied by GM. Arthur Dailey, who I believe is Canadian, recognized thelaine’s comment for the joke it was and added the scapegoat of the metric system for GM botching a rear window defroster and pretending Canadian market Silverado defrosters are different than domestic market Silverado defrosters. Then a bunch of embarrassingly dim MGS sufferers showed up and got bent out of shape about the jokes they couldn’t understand, prompting me to recycle someone else’s metric country meme just to poke their open wounds. Then you showed up to self-identify as a one-time dinner guest.

        • 0 avatar
          ffighter69

          So using body parts such as taking the width of your thumb and calling it an inch or saying the length of your foot is a foot isn’t random. I couldn’t care less which system is used because I have the ability to adapt but at least the metric system makes sense since it deals in multiples of 10 and it’s scientifically based. Let’s talk about the Canadian(Imperial) gallon verses a U.S. gallon next.

        • 0 avatar
          golden2husky

          …Agreed. The metric system is totally random and illogical and I pity the countries that are saddled with it. ..

          Metric system random? Seriously? If this comment does not highlight the problem with American education, nothing does. Jesus.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            The sarcasm shield is strong in this one. Did you believe the Torx explanation too?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Somebody forgot their, “/s”

            :)

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Oy. It was so obvious only a Canadian could have missed it.

            SNARK ALERT!!!!!!!!! CANADA IS AWESOME!!!!

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            If I missed the sarcasm, my apologies.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Not at all G2H. It is all in fun. Any story that starts out with Canadians defrosting themselves with flaming Chevy pickups has got to have some comedy value, even to woefully under-educated Americans.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            There’s no question, except it’s stupid to rate by “liters per kilometer”, no different than if we did “gallons per mile”, then multiplying by 100 just to move the decimal point two places, for the sole purpose of ending up with an understandable or digestible number.

            For example, the metric/kilometer markets would be confused by 0.095 liters per kilometer, so there’s “9.5l/100 km” (which is about 24 MPG).

            But don’t get me started on the “kilowatts” for engine output..

      • 0 avatar

        Arthur you developed the Robertson superiority complex. In reality Kalashnikov screws are superior to anything West was capable to come with. And do not forget we put the first man in space because of that.

    • 0 avatar
      ffighter69

      Let’s see. Window is frosty turn on switch. Did I get it right?

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        It would be, if it wasn’t a Chevy.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          A GM product runs badly longer than any other brand, with only General Maintenance.

          And I should know. I drove much GM for most of my life until 2008, when I bought my first brand new Japan-made Toyota Highlander.

          Ain’t ever going back to GM.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            If GM made a product that I absolutely had to have, like the Jeep Gladiator or the Ford Raptor, I would buy it. But they don’t. Their trucks are inferior even to their “domestic” competition. Their cars are cheap, unreliable crap compared to the Japanese. To me, the Corvette is the only really special vehicle they make, and the GMC Yukon in Denali trim is pretty sweet. Other than that, you can flush their whole product line.

            The only thing you can count on with GM is that they will continue to shrink, as they have for the last 50 years. Sooner or later, when they are small enough, they will be sold off to the Chinese or Indians. It should have happened when they went bankrupt.

          • 0 avatar
            Peter Gazis

            highdesertcat

            I would never spend money on a Toyota. If one was given to me. I would put a For Sale sign on it that night. The vehicles just have too many short comings for the driving experience to ever be pleasurable.

            Also I just turned 70,000 miles on my 2016 AWD Buick Regal GS. Reliability has been perfect. No recalls. New tires and oil changes only, and if I didn’t have to deal with Chicago potholes, I wouldn’t have needed new tires.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Glad you like it Pete. Unlike a Toyota driver, you probably owe more than its worth!

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Peter Gazis, I used to be quite the Oldsmobile fan. Bought a new 1972 Custom Cruiser to take to Germany with me while stationed there. While there, bought a new 76/77 Olds Toronado.

            In 1988 bought my first brand new pickup, a Silverado 350 w/350THM ExtCab LongBed.

            I put my vehicles to use, and as such, they wear, and tear, and I never had much money in those days so I had to do the wrenching and tooling on them. We put a lot of miles on all our vehicles because we lived 26 miles from the nearest town (back then.)

            Also bought my wife a new 1992 Towncar so she could show prospective home buyers in style.

            But all that changed when we bought her our first brand new 2008 Highlander.

            Oh! Wadda car! Oh! Watta feeling!

            Toyota!

            Two Tundras and a Sequoia later, and we’re still dedicated to Toyota.

            Ain’t no goin’ back, Jack.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Moderated.

    DW this is not your first or second warning, so we’ll be specific: Discontinue the xenophobic mocking.

    Final warning.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      You know that ignorant accent of yours cancels out anything intelligent you might have to say. I bet you have one of those nasally, flat midwestern accents, don’t you?

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        Everyone in the world is deserving of your white-knighting, no matter how hard they’re working for your destruction. Except middle Americans. They deserve nothing but your contempt.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Do you really think that every Chinese assembly lineman is chanting, “Death to America” throughout his workday? Maybe that guy in China just wants to pay his bills and provide for his family. No reason to tease a guy who at least is trying to communicate in English. Americans certainly don’t put forth any such effort

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            The totalitarian, fascist Chinese government views the US as an enemy. They are holding nearly three million of their own citizens in concentration camps. They have instituted a “social credit” system to monitor the behavior and force the obedience of their entire population. They are slowly absorbing Hong Kong, in violation of their “one nation, two systems” agreement. They are obsessed with the planning of the conquest and subjugation of the free people of Taiwan.

            The Chinese have contempt for the rules of trade to which they have subscribed. They protect their own companies and exploit foreign companies. The government has effective control over all of their major companies, a la fascist Nazi Germany.

            The Chinese have built a substantial amount of their economic growth on technology theft through espionage and coerced technology theft contracts. They have weaponized the students they send to America’s finest universities and turned many of them into spies. They intend to dominate, and they are unconstrained by their citizen-subjects or the rule of law.

            The left, and many bought and paid for politicians and business people of both parties, deny this or, surprise, blame America.

            The thoughts of Chinese assembly workers are entirely irrelevant. No one in the Chinese government give a rats a** about their thoughts.

            “American” companies that outsource their jobs to China are rightly held in contempt by Americans who love their country and their fellow citizens. This excludes much of the left, who blame America first and hold working-class American citizens in contempt. Don’t blame Trump. The left and the Washington establishment created him.

            GM can suck it. If they want to make Chinese parts for Chinese cars, fine. When they make them in China and export them to the US, fk them, especially after the 20 billion dollar taxpayer-funded union bailout that they have never repaid.

            Toyota and Honda are more American, and make far better products.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Yet everyday China turns it’s back on it’s communist ideals while slowly embracing western ways.

            Mao would turnover in his grave if he saw the capitalist utopia his country is becoming

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Actually, the opposite is happening. They are increasingly authoritarian, now that
            Xi is emperor. You have bought into a myth that is propagated by the Chinese government and those who have sold out to it. State capitalism controlled by the ruling autocracy is not freedom. They are using their wealth to increase their control. You are being duped just like leftists were during the reign of Stalin. History repeats itself.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Yeah? Then who’s driving the million Buicks they sell in China every year, or is that a myth too?

          • 0 avatar
            Peter Gazis

            thelaine

            Every year Japan exports 1.7 million vehicles to the U.S. None of those are GM vehicles. Why don’t you check the Chinese content of those? YOU CAN NOT BUY AN AMERICAN MADE HONDA, TOYOTA, NISSAN or SUBARU in JAPAN!
            Everybody loves Ice Cream, Everybody loves Corvettes. NOT the Japanese Infact they rather eat dead whale over U.S. beef.
            Designing a new vehicle is expensive. Between engineering, design & Testing costs often run into the $Billions$.
            The Japanese don’t design their vehicles in the U.S. GM does.

            FK Honda, FK Toyota. and Muther FK the country of Japan.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            You are the master of the non-sequitur. Who was driving all those Volkswagens on the brand new autobahn? Who was working in all those brand new factories in Stalin’s Soviet paradise? Did you know that in Cuba, health care is guaranteed for all? Leftists don’t make new mistakes, they make the same mistakes over and over again. Driving a Buick does not make you free. Try driving it to a pro-democracy demonstration. Buicks are for party members and obedient toadies. Leftists passionately defending a “communist” dictatorship is nothing new. Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Xi and everyone in between. It’s a multi-generational love affair. Leftists love authoritarians because they are authoritarians themselves (with the best of intentions, of course). Utopianism is a common mental disease.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Peter Gazis

            That was awesome. Well done. GM still sucks and owes me 20 billion dollars, but well done.

      • 0 avatar
        redapple

        I think DW is funny.
        Lighten up.

        Oh and he is factually accurate.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          I wouldn’t know if “he is factually accurate”, I’m too busy cringing at his ridiculous and demeaning accent. Do you really think the Chinese are out to destroy us? Seems pretty stupid to destroy your best customer

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Did you ever see Schindler’s List? Ever hear the fable of the scorpion and the frog? Why are Democrats now saying that they want to give free healthcare to border jumpers when they want to fine Americans who can’t afford their own healthcare? Assuming rational behavior of others isn’t a survival plan.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Did you ever hear the story about killing the goose that laid the golden egg, Todd? Since you’re trying to connect fables to real life political economics

            Do you ever get tired of trolling, Todd? Seriously, every one of your posts involves some kind of low grade troll

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            You do know that the greedy countryman killed the goose, right?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I also know they regretted their actions and came up with a stupid fable so that future generations wouldn’t make the same mistake

            So let’s not forget, slow and steady wins the race, because a penny saved is a penny earned, so stop crying wolf, because you can’t see the forest for the trees.

            I’ll stop if it hurts, because the check’s in the mail

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            ToddAtlasF1, speaking of healthcare always sets me off.

            The ‘crats in all of their infinite inclusive wisdom caused us to lose our excellent healthcare coverage with their “Affordable” mandates.

            We had excellent/outstanding healthcare coverage under BlueCrossBlueShield provided by the family business until…”The Act”. Monthly premium for the business went to from $4800+ a month for all covered to well over $6900+ a month. Clearly not affordable for the business.

            So ALL healthcare coverage was dropped for everyone, and we were on our own, having to make do with TriCare Prime, VA, and later Medicare.

            And then Medicare started denying us many routine tests because of the $700BILLION that was robbed from Medicare payees to cover MedicAid freeloaders.

            I hope President Trump gets re-elected so he can destroy whatever legacy the last administration has saddled us with.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            ToddAtlasF1, speaking of healthcare always sets me off.

            The ‘crats in all of their infinite inclusive wisdom caused us to lose our excellent healthcare coverage with their “Affordable” mandates.

            We had excellent/out healthcare coverage under BlueCrossBlueShield provided by the family business until…”The Act”. Monthly premium for the business went to from $4800+ a month for all covered to well over $6900+ a month. Clearly not affordable for the business.

            So ALL healthcare coverage was dropped for everyone, and we were on our own, having to make do with TriCare Prime, VA, and later Medicare.

            And then Medicare started denying us many routine tests because of the $700BILLION that was robbed from Medicare payees to cover MedicAid freeloaders.

            I hope President Trump gets re-elected so he can destroy whatever legacy the last administration has saddled us with.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      Meanwhile…

      https://www.businessinsider.com/why-chinese-children-are-better-at-math-than-americans-2017-9

      Yeah, keep laughing at the Chinese. Funny. Ha ha. I wonder if they have jokes about Americans and math over there.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        People would riot in the street if we adopted the Chinese education system. It’s great if you do well on the high stakes testing and get on the good track. Not so much if you get on the “work at the factory 18 hours a day and shop at the foxconn company store” track.

        I believe if we had a system that shuffled the less well off kids into a system that limited them we would label it as all sorts of “isims”.

        Our math scores would likely be better too if we took all of those kids in poor communities and quit teaching them Math and just taught them how to work in the mines instead. Not really how a free society approaches education though.

  • avatar

    or, some bean counter saved 3 cents per assembly…what could POSSIBLY go wrong ? (bean counter is now a VP on a career track) As a ham radio operator, I’ve been exposed to Chinese radios, vs the more established Japanese brands. They are all way cheaper ($25 programmable walkie talkies vs. $180) but you have to accept that 1 of 5 is delivered bad, and you probably won’t get any real support, maybe ONE exchange. This is OK for a non mission critical toy, entirely different when this is put into a $50k motor vehicle with an owner and a Note.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    Back when GM trucks looked great.

  • avatar
    Detroit-X

    Fire risk?
    Not news, really, just add it to:
    – Depreciation risk.
    – Rattle risk.
    – Random electronic failure risk.
    – Premature rust risk.
    – Cost-savings feature deletion risk.
    – Gasket leaking risk
    – Frame shake risk
    – Wheel bearing failure risk
    – Fuel and brake line corrosion risk
    – Dealer can’t fix it risk
    – Dealer says “that problem you hate is a characteristic of this model” risk
    – Door seals wear off paint risk
    – Powertrain rough shifting risk
    – Noisy huge tires risk
    – Rough ride risk
    – Intake manifold leakage risk
    – Stop-Start wears out your battery-starter risk
    – Unrealistic MPG risk
    – GM knows there is a defect, but it refuses to fix it risk
    – …

    • 0 avatar
      bullnuke

      GM seems to be a little bit further ahead of its problem than others recently mentioned: TTAC/2019/07/transmission-trouble-report-claims-ford-knew-focus-fiesta-dsp6-was-defective. Of course, Ford was more reactive to its issues in countries outside the US (Brazil, Thailand) than in the US so GM’s reaction to Canadian issues may be similar.

  • avatar
    Oldschool

    Not something catastrophic here unlike the cover up Ford transmission issue that has been ongoing for a very long time. At least GM came out right away to recall this problem.

    • 0 avatar
      The_Guru

      Yes GM was so quick to fess up to and fix the ignition fiasco that cost several people their lives and totally didnt try to sweep it under the rug. Give it a rest. Every carmaker has problems, Ford and GM are certainly not the exception.

      • 0 avatar
        Peter Gazis

        The_Guru

        Accident Reports don’t mention the position of the ignition switch. They do keep track if airbags were deployed.
        Given the number of airbag recalls since, an ignition switch to easily turned off may have never been the real problem.

        • 0 avatar
          The_Guru

          The design flaw is a FACT. The resulting accidents and DEATHS are a fact. GM shilling to the point of excuses is a disgusting thing.

          • 0 avatar
            Peter Gazis

            The problem was an ignition switch that was too easily turned off. Which would result in the car shutting down. I’ve always had trouble understanding how this problem alone would result in so many accidents. Especially since early this decade, I was driving a VW that had a habit of stalling.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    I see the same fix that was applied to GMT900 and the heated windshield wiper fluid nozzles. Yank the fuse – the end.

    Big…ball…of…suck.

  • avatar
    Peter Gazis

    Mazda just recalled 260,000 vehicles. A software glitch could cause vehicles to stall.
    If the foreign crap this web sight keeps pushing was any good, TTAC would have covered that story as well.

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      Your skin is wearing awfully thin having to defend this garbage. Could be time for a career change.

      • 0 avatar
        Peter Gazis

        ToddAtlasF1

        Just keep that Japanese penalty box you drive off the highway. If you can’t/don’t keep up with traffic, you are creating traffic.

        • 0 avatar
          thelaine

          If my paycheck depended on GM’s success I would be bitter too, but reality sucks and so does GM.

        • 0 avatar
          el scotto

          Mr. Gazis, my Lexus and I are usually leading the traffic. The Japanese developed measurable, definable, quantifiable manufacturing and parts testing methods. The Big 3 did get better at these thing but not until Hondas were rolling out of Marysville and Toyota Motor Manufacturing had set up plants across the US. The Japanese ate the American’s lunch on small and mid-size cars. CAFE took away our big cars. I used to be in the OEM parts inspection business. Your Buick and a Toyota share some common parts. The Japanese will, as a rule, use more stringent QC processes than their big 3 counterparts. The Big 3 mechanically (dodged a big bullet there) built the same car from 1049 to 1979. The Japanese discovered a man called Deming and something called Statistical Process Control.

          • 0 avatar
            el scotto

            Can’t edit- Detroit built the same car from 1949 to 1979. In fairness, the Big 3 did adopt Statistical Process Control methods. They almost always never used it as much as the Japanese do in their OEM parts. For Ford and GM, manufacturing seemed to be a corporate backwater while the Japanese place it first. Different cultures produce different vehicles. We have now gotten to “lean” or “just in time production”. Again, the Japanese are much much better at this process. In the end, I can see the collective Ford family selling to the Piech/Porche families; John Elkann selling to the Koreans/ Indians, and GM going to the Chinese. The Toyodas and Hondas would laugh but know they need to get back to work.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            I can’t agree. American cars innovated and improved until 1964, when the Mustang showed that boomers had no appreciation for substance and Ralph Nader demonstrated the risk of technical leadership in a nanny state. From then on Detroit reacted instead of pioneered.

  • avatar
    ravenuer

    My memory is a bit foggy, but didn’t GM have some kind of a window defroster issue some years ago that their fix was to remove the whole option permanently?

  • avatar
    johnnyz

    I love the back and forth! Brand loyalty, country loyalty and xenophobia is pure humor.

    If you don’t like someone’s views, do not read what they write. Censorship is the default mode of a mental midget. Suck it up, let’s argue!

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      “If you don’t like someone’s views, do not read what they write. ”

      Exactly!

      Probably one good reason for so many intelligent former ttac readers having left the fold. What’s left is too many mental midgets.

      Most people’s views stem from their own experiences, or the experiences of others that they learned from. Censoring negative or positive commentary because it is an opposing view isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.

    • 0 avatar
      Dan

      +1 to that. The articles here have been garbage press releases for years now, the commentary is the only reason that I still visit this site at all. Disappearing comments are ruining even that.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Agreed. It is a pretty low stoop to believe that DW was Xenophobic, same people that believe that would probably have to be put in a mental institute for PTSD if they saw an episode of Speedy Gonzalez.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Speedy hasn’t been seen since 1999

          “Feeling that the character presented an offensive Mexican stereotype, Cartoon Network shelved Speedy’s films when it gained exclusive rights to broadcast them in 1999 (as a subsidiary of Time Warner, Cartoon Network is a corporate sibling to Warner Bros.). In an interview with Fox News on March 28, 2002, Cartoon Network spokeswoman Laurie Goldberg commented, “It hasn’t been on the air for years because of its ethnic stereotypes.” – Wikipedia

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            Things change. Look at the words Archie Bunker and George Jefferson used…Bugs Bunny hammering the bombs while sporting teeth made to look like “the Japanese”…anybody remember the kids’s song with the words “jump down turn around pick a bale of cotton, me and my brothers we pick a bale a day”…just because it was ok in the past does not mean it is ok now.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Of course everyone’s favorite, Little Black Sambo, talk about cringe

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Lie2Me, didn’t Sambo’s turn into Denny’s?

            Before going to Germany, we enjoyed going to Sambo’s in San Diego, CA, at the intersection on Rosecrans, near the PCF. Great food!

            After we came back from Germany eight years later, it was called Denny’s, with the same food and much higher prices.

          • 0 avatar
            ffighter69

            The only thing I found stereotypical of Speedy was that he wore a sombrero and had a mexican accent. What is so negative about that. He was the fastest mouse alive who happened to be from mexico.

        • 0 avatar
          The_Guru

          Especially when all stereotypes are based on truth, just a little overemphasis put on them. Funny how the PC types engage in their own stereotypes without so much as second thought. Oh well, there is always Dissenter for free speech. *kisses*

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Stereotypes are based on a exaggerated perceived truth, not exactly the same thing

          • 0 avatar
            The_Guru

            Naw, but we are all welcome to our opinions. Whether you’re right or wrong.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            As long as our “truths” don’t malign, demean, marginalize or hurt anyone we’re good :)

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Problem comes in when those “anyones” malign, demean, and hurt others first with their comments, remarks and dislikes.

  • avatar
    JoeBrick

    GM must have hired some of the same *cough*H1-B*cough* software engineers that worked on the Boeing 737 MAX fly-by-wire system.

  • avatar
    mikey

    So now that we have all exchanged pleasantries , I have some” on topic” news.

    My landscaper friend finds a 2016 Regular cab 4X4 8ft box (or 2.438 metres, yeah we also spell different) We drive to a massive GM dealer out in farm country, to check it out…”No we can’t sell you that truck” says the sales dude..”GM has issued a “no sell order” He wouldn’t give anymore details !.

    So now I know why . Carry on gentlemen .

  • avatar
    CKNSLS Sierra SLT

    Wow!

    Some of the characters on this website are unbelievable. There are guys on here who are car guys…then there are others that take EVERY OPPORTUNITY to bash a manufacturer or make a thread political. I really wish there was some heavy handed moderation so most this non-sense would be deleted and those guys would find somewhere else to go.
    Unbelievable….

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      “Some of the characters on this website are unbelievable.”

      Americans are the foreigners on this (Canadian) Board. We Americans would do well to remember that.

      In America “Freedom of speech”, “Freedom of expression” are guaranteed and God-given Rights.

      No such guarantees or rights exists in Canada.

      We Americans should keep that in mind, first and foremost.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Actually, Canada does have their own bill of rights.

        https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-12.3/FullText.html

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          Yeah? You’d never know it from this board.

          And THOSE Canadian Rights must pertain only to Canadian citizens because ttac’s censors limit foreigners’ rights to express themselves in their comments.

          To wit: DW et al.

          There’s no way to justify any #DoubleStandard

          (I’m NOT saying DW is right in his ranting and raging. I am saying that DW does not have the Right to express himself under freedom of speech on this board.)

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    This place (TTAC) is dying for want of passion, excitement, free debate, and yes…as a result of the (here it comes…daring I) “snowflake” sensitivities amongst some of the readers/commenters, and obviously, management (lily white, overly polite?, Hosers from the Great White North (I actually love much about Canada and Canadians, but their qualities of just taking the sh!t their government throws at them whilst rolling over, like well-broken sled dogs, and their inclination to freak out over the wrong flavor-of-the-day words – the movies Blazing Saddles and Airplane must be treated like porn in Canada, Eh? – are not among those admirable things I love).

    All my points about China benefiting like no other nation in history from forced technology transfers (e.g. 1 of MANY – forcing foreign companies to take on SOE Chinese JV Partner in order to do biz in China and have any access to China’s domestic market to sell their wares, enabling outright theft of proprietary technology in a context where’s there no legal recourse in China’s “judicial system”, etc etc etc) are spot on. I could spend an hour writing a min-dissertation on how China has essentially obtained an amount of advanced technology in the span of MAYBE 25 years that they, nor any other nation in history, would have been able to gain in 100 years, or arguably ever, really, through outright theft, but of people aren’t already aware of this fact, what’s the point?

    That companies like GM (Guangzhou Motors) are among the biggest “look-the-other-way” companies in this regard, based on short term corporate incompetence at its highest levels, is the salt in the wound for me, and whether I or anyone else here likes/dislikes or agrees with some or most of what people like Peter Thiel have to say in general, he was spot on today in calling out Google for betraying not only western, democratic values at their core root by ceding to all of China’s censorship demands, but for literally calling Google’s seditious entity (in the same manner GM is).

    But oh my, I put a stereotyped phonetic on some common mis-pronunciations of English words by Chinese-native speakers, AND THE PLACE FREAKS OUT (most Americans nor westerners have no clue how xenophobic and maliciously prejudiced Chinese are towards Americans and westerners – it is on 20x fold-scale comparatively speaking from their direction).

    China is on an inevitable collision course with the US and the west, in general; our fundamental value paradigms are very misaligned and competition for resources is the kicker. Now that they’ve stolen 100+ years of advanced technology transfers at no cost or adverse consequence whatsoever, their hand has been strengthened in a way thr0at the former USSR could only have dreamed about in their most fantastical visions.

    Walls out, Balls out. If you can’t/won’t/refuse to acknowledge these facts, that are historical and ongoing in real time, you’re part of the problem in this hotly brewing crisis that’s only accelerating at a
    rapid clip.

    Reach down, and make sure you got a respectable swinging d!ck and two respectable balls, ladies, if you see this ongoing red-alert crisis in its severity and significance for what it is, and in now it literally represents an existential crisis to our most fundamental values in the west, and our very fundamental way of living, and join the good fight before it’s too late.

    BUT I GUESS I’ll TRY NOT TO OFFEND ANYONE BY ENGAGING IN THE MALICIOUS, BRUTAL, SAVAGE ACT OF TOSSING OUT CHINGRISH MIS-PRONUNCIATIONS! (Knowing how Machiavellian the Chinese are in their aspirations, what’s the point, anyways – they literally laugh at our PC and delicate sensitivities – and are seeing their you,ultimate goals as a cakewalk at this point).

    • 0 avatar
      Avanti!

      You see, a ton of the points you made in this post are absolutely reasonable (and many I believe are both troubling and true) and you’ve just enriched the thread by making them. Why then is it necessary to mock Chinese accents? It’s one thing to say what you believe is true no matter who gets offended by it – and that’s fair enough; we probably need a little more of that. It’s another thing all together to try to say it in a nasty and offensive way on purpose. And what’s the point of that? People just tune you out and the valuable point you’re making isn’t even addressed. So why do it?


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