By on July 30, 2019

Unlike Ford, which plans to put its sole remaining four-door passenger car underground by 2021, General Motors’ Chevrolet division is not quite ready to kiss the sedan goodbye.

While the automaker did cull its compact Chevrolet Cruze earlier this year (sparking a wail of grief from a certain writer whose year-old daily driver now bears an defunct nameplate), and while the Chevy Impala is also scheduled to bite the dust come January, the long-running Malibu is said to have at least a few good years left in it.

According to Automotive News‘ updated product pipeline, the midsize Malibu, which underwent a facelift for 2019, “is expected to continue until at least 2024.” The same longevity cannot be claimed by the subcompact Sonic and Spark, which appear ready to follow their larger siblings into the grave within a year or two.

Come that hazy tombstone date, the Malibu might be “indirectly” replaced by an electric vehicle, the AN prophets claim. A refresh could occur for 2022, should GM deem it practical.

Built in Kansas City, the Malibu underwent significant changes for 2016, enjoying large gains in fuel economy and a significant loss of weight. At the same time, the sedan’s much-maligned backseat gained some much-needed volume. Sales volume followed, with that year being the model’s best showing since GM returned the Malibu nameplate to the Chevy stable in 1997.

Image: GM

Alas, good things rarely last, and GM watched Malibu sales fall from nearly 228,000 in ’16 to just under 186,000 in 2017. Last year brought another tumble, to the 144,000 bracket — its worst sales year since 2007.

If you’re wondering whether there’s good news for this sensible sedan in 2019, you can probably guess the answer. There isn’t. Through June, Malibu sales fell 14.7 percent, mirroring the performance of so many midsizers — and cars in general — throughout the industry. If the trend continues, and there’s ample reason to believe it will, one wonders if 2024 is too rosy a prediction for the Malibu’s end date.

At least its Fairfax Assembly home, unlike the Cruze’s now-shuttered Lordstown facility, hosts a crossover under its roof.

[Images: General Motors]

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111 Comments on “Breaking: The Chevy Sedan Is Not Yet Extinct (Though Buyers Are Working On It)...”


  • avatar
    DenverMike

    The last left standing US/Detroit labeled sedans will corner the government fleets market, plus other random fleets and cheapskates. Smooth move.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      My thought exactly.

      GM – keep the Malibu around, do platform updates every so many years (put in on a long development cycle.) Sell it as a Chevy and a Buick, make it the only sedan in your fleet that’s not a stratospheric-ly expensive Cadillac. Sell the 1.5t and CVT to rental and government fleets like crazy and give a higher powered more interesting more luxurious option for the retail customers who don’t want “higher hip points”.

      However I will caution that in my district the fleet influx the past few years has been CUV, CUV, CUV. 4 cyl AWD Terrains, Ecoboost AWD Escapes, and 4×4 Cherokees with the 4 cyl and whatever the lowest trim level is that year.

    • 0 avatar
      hubcap

      Mentioning government fleets, has anyone seen or know of the Charger being used in federal service? Or for that matter any of the FCA ‘Merican brands?

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        Lots of RAMs with GSA plates around here and a few Durangos thrown in, haven’t actually seen Chargers in FEDERAL service. Lots of municipal police and state highway patrol in Chargers. (New Mexico for what it’s worth.)

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        I’ve seen lots of Rams on TVA sites with TVA government tags, also saw a TVA plated Hyundai before. I think most TVA vehicles are Ram trucks.

      • 0 avatar
        whynot

        Working at a federal agency, I can confirm Pacifica Hybrids exist in federal service. Mostly Ford Fusion (hybrids) and older Sonata hybrids though, with your F-150 and transit thrown in for good measure. At least where I am at.

  • avatar
    tankinbeans

    Rebadge it the Classic and sell into perpetuity. Multiple other generations have been shunted to being badged a Classic.

  • avatar
    Secret Hi5

    While not a fan of the Mal-ibu, I can kind of/sort of see one reason behind keeping it. Size-wise, it falls between the Cruze and the Impala. Perhaps GM is hoping that would-be buyers of those defunct bookends will settle for the ‘bu.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      I’ve been waiting for one of the “Artists Formerly Known as the Big 3” to realize that maybe there is a market for ONE sedan or one sedan platform.

      Being that the Malibu is assembled in Kansas City that would be a big plus to be able to say that the factory will stay around.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      GM hoping someone would settle has been their plan since the 70’s. Hasn’t worked so far. Most people will just buy from another manufacturer.

  • avatar
    gasser

    Keeping the Malibu may also have something to do with the engine and transmission combinations. The impala uses the V-6 and the 2.5 L four. I don’t know if these engines are in use anywhere else in the GM lineup. The Malibu engines are shared with the equinox/terrain. I have no idea what happens to the hybrid.

    • 0 avatar
      scott25

      The 3.6 V6 is still one of the most used engines in the GM lineup. It’s used in all of the large crossovers of every brand, the Blazer, the Colorado/Canyon, and the Camaro at least. The 2.5 is used in the Blazer as well.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        But to Gasser’s point they do seem to be slowly eliminating the 2.5.

        It is not used in the Terrain/Equinox anymore.

        It is not used in the Impala anymore (final year is nothing but V6 models.)

        Still used in the Blazer but could easily see the Blazer going to 2.0T and V6 as an option.

        Still in the Acadia but has been joined by a 2.0T option for 2020 (2.5, 2.0T, 3.6 V6) and I can’t see THREE engine options in the Acadia being there for very long.

  • avatar
    honda1

    Well at least the rental car companies will be happy. Nobody buys these things.

  • avatar
    d4rksabre

    Bleh. Had one for a rental this summer. It was quiet on the highway but the auto start-stop was GROSS and the seats weren’t comfortable at all.

    • 0 avatar

      I was also privileged to rent base NEW Malibu with 1.5 Turbo engine last year. Car was okay but engine suddenly shutting down and seconds later shuddering back into life like living undead scared sh!t out of me on stops and traffic lights. Week before I rented…NEW Altima, what else, another walking dead. Strange thing to say but I liked Altima more even though I cannot imagine having such an ugly creation in my garage – it will hurt my eyes endlessly every day.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    This is a curse, the only car this compares to is a Yugo, this is car is a horrible pox on earth and deserves to die more than anything else. Cars like this are the reason that the segment has shown massive declines.

    Horrible car that no one should be cursed with.

    • 0 avatar
      JoeBrick

      @Hummer- I think that you over-exaggerate a lot.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Take it from the man who once tried to *sell* a Yugo – the Malibu’s a freakin’ Mercedes 600 Pullman by comparison.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        I am not over exaggerating on this car being horrible, whoever made this car had a deal with the pharma companies, owning this car would require me to go on SSRI antidepressants to deal with the anxiety inducing nature of this horrible car/drivetrain combination.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Dude, stop holding back to be polite – tell us what you REALLY think!

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Words cannot express, I feel my life was shortened by the experience. I’m sure everyone here thinks I’m joking, I am not, I absolutely hated this car with a burning passion, I’ve never piloted a more vile, underpowered, poorly engineered POS in my life, and my life will be much better never going near anything as horrible.

            In all the mundane Toyota’s, Hyundai’s, Kias, Fords, Dodges, etc I’ve ever rented, this vehicle was the worst. The clunky start-stop that engaged and started the engine about the time a normal person would be half way across the intersection, the wheezy 1.5L that was passed by tractor trailers, horrible interior layout that made taking your eyes off the road mandatory, poor ride and worse handling of it. Gas mileage that resembled my SS sedan which you’ll remember doesn’t even have DoD. How does a 1.5T that takes a calendar year to reach 60 possible get the same fuel economy as a 6.2L that’s driven within an inch of its life?

            There are zero redeeming features of this car, the 3 weeks I had it in Chicago were a hellish – domineering feature of that trip. I regret not returning it, but being as my work schedule wasn’t exactly friendly to driving into the north end of the city I struggled through. Never again.

          • 0 avatar
            MoDo

            I had a prior generation malibu rental for a 4 hour each way work thing. I absolutely HATED that thing. Sounds like the new one isn’t any better. That year I rented probably 30-40 cars (Bu was the the first), the only ones that came close to the hatred I had for the malibu was a Mazda CX5 (or whatever the little wagon thing is/was called) and a hyundai sonata that I returned after 5 minutes due to some grinding noise it was making. Did the same trip with a Kia Optima, was only a fraction better than the malibu was.

            Best was a mustang ecoboost convertible and the shockers were a journey R/T and brand new Jeep Patriot. I expected to hate them but liked them.

          • 0 avatar
            redapple

            Rented this POS many times. Agree with all the complaints. But, no one mentions the top defect.

            YOU CANNOT SEE OUT OF IT. BELT LINE IS AT MY CHIN @ SIDES AND FORE. Aft??? Hah !!!! at my fore head level.

            Burn this POS. Looks pretty tho.

    • 0 avatar

      Hummer, son, you are probably very young and never saw, let alone sit in or drove anything like Yugo or Trabant or Lada for that matter (you still can have Lada in your life. So [email protected] up and enjoy life while you can and while AOC and other “socialis democrats” are in limbo.

      • 0 avatar
        gtem

        Yeah I was going to say, the current Malibu 1.5T is near the bottom of my personal rental rankings of midsizers, but it’s still a very decent and comfortable car in the grand scheme of things.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          “but it’s still a very decent and comfortable car in the grand scheme of things”

          I guess compared to a moped in the rain with no helmet then sure.

          • 0 avatar
            gtem

            Hummer have you actually ridden in or driven a Lada? Because I have, quite a few times actually. The Malibu may be mediocre in the current field of midsizers, but it’s a good deal more refined than any number of current compact cars and CUVs, to say nothing of many older designs.

            I understand the point of exaggeration to prove a point of you not liking a particular car, but it’s worth clarifying.

            For what it’s worth, I hate the stop/start in every GM application I’ve tried, the 4cyl ones are the worst.

          • 0 avatar
            TMA1

            Hummer, sounds like you had your Deadweight moment. He used to be a normal man, until one day he rented a Cadillac ATS. Get help before it’s too late.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            The best part is I feel I can safely trash this company without being called biased, I have hundreds of thousands of dollars of GMs in my driveway and have been a GM guy from the start.
            It takes a lot of really crappy products to turn a fan into where I am today. This is not the GM of 10-15 years ago. This is Nissan on an accelerated path. Barry’s only claim to fame is wiping market share and ensuring there aren’t repeat customers.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            @hummer, welcome to where I am as a Ford guy. Now back to searching for a Fiesta ST replacement for when my lease is up.

  • avatar
    bts

    For a minimal amount of cost Chevy could turn the Malibu into a good looking hatchback or wagon type vehicle with a small amount of added ground clearance and keep sales flowing.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      It’s called the Buick Regal/TourX. Same platform, in fact I assume that with minimal modifications the Malibu plant could build those cars.

      (True story.)

      • 0 avatar
        TMA1

        In that case, there’s no point. TourX has been DOA.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          TourX is DOA because Buick clearly doesn’t care about selling it. My guess is they brought it over to satisfy some contractual obligation from the Opel sale and they’re just playing out the string. Shame – it’s a really nice car.

          I think BTS’ idea for a “Malibu Cross-Country” actually makes some sense.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            yes my point is simply that

            A. Regal/Malibu are on the same platform

            B. Theoretically Kansas City COULD build Regals and Malibus

            C. IF GM wants to keep the Malibu around AND keep plant utilization rates high (which we have been told is necessary for profitability) then it would make sense to move the Regal out of Germany when the contracts have been fulfilled

            D. All of this is dependent on GM wanting to have at least ONE sedan to sell.

          • 0 avatar
            TMA1

            GM doesn’t want to sell the TourX. It’s too affordable. Every TourX sold is a lost Enclave or Envision sales that would net thousands more in profit.

            Which is too bad, because it’s the only non-Corvette vehicle in GM’s stable that I would ever look at.

          • 0 avatar

            GM does not want to sell good cars for some reason. For me it is hard to understand why. May be GM people lack the passion and settle down for common denominator and fairness concept, like it is unfair to sell good cars because poor people cannot afford them.

  • avatar
    thejohnnycanuck

    Just buy an Accord or a Camry. They’re far better cars and very likely have more North American content. And they’ll still be worth something 5 years down the road.

    General Tso Motors gave up on the American sedan somewhere around 1972.

  • avatar
    JoeBrick

    IMHO, they should have kept the Impala. It was a fine-looking and driving automobile. But maybe they figure that the Malibu is more economical to buy and own than the Impala and will do better in the long run. OK, fair enough. But when they bring out the next one, they should call it the Impala. I believe that GM considered this when they brought back the Malibu in 1997. Remember the way they had an “Impala” emblem on them ? I believe that they were going to name it the Impala, and changed their minds at the last minute, but after the emblems had been made or purchased.

    • 0 avatar
      N8iveVA

      Malibu Sales
      ’16- 228,000
      ’17- 186,000
      ’18- 144,000

      Impala sales
      ’16- 97,000
      ’17- 76,000
      ’18- 57,000

      Sure, they should have kept the Impala instead of the Malibu

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      I thought the whole point of making the current Malibu terrible was to sell more Impalas. I guess that was before GM came to the realization that tall minivans with hinged doors were the future.

  • avatar
    pmirp1

    No, GM doesn’t need Malibu. What GM needs for America is a sedan version of Corvette. Front engine, LT1 or (LT2), big, unashamedly American. Chrome and leather and wood. Kind of like a Charger, but an American Chevy version big and proud of itself. It will last for ever (or for as long as gasoline is sold in this country). No American, wants to be associated with a Malibu or Impala or Cruze (front wheel drive junk).

    • 0 avatar
      JoeBrick

      ^^^This ! Just make it a 2-door, and they could call it a MUSTANG !

      Oh, wait !

    • 0 avatar
      quaquaqua

      That was one of the most empty piles of word salad I’ve ever read. You could speak at a Republican fundraiser.

      • 0 avatar
        JoeBrick

        @Quagmire- Sir or Madame, for your comment to be effective, that is, to have a STING to it, we need to know at whom your comment is directed. Also goes for when you are dropping a complement. Thank you.

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      Exactly this, GM needs one good RWD V8 sedan that actually looks and drives like a vehicle a normal person would want to pilot. I’m tired of FWD crap that’s driven by tiny engines. No one can look at the current line of Chevrolet car designs and think. “Wow I would be proud to own this” it’s just not happening.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        GM is killing its cars and it’s car customers by putting out junk as horrid as this Malibu, building something desirable is not tough, but FWD and turbo is a sure fire way to destroy any chances of succeeding. GM is not Toyota, GM is also not BMW, they will be much better off once they discover they have a rich heritage to draw from and stop copying others designs with repeatedly awful results.

      • 0 avatar
        redapple

        GM cars are truly terrible.
        The Best Big 3 car?
        Challenger, Charger, 300.
        Large and in charge. Rear drive. Even in V 6 trim – FAST! And 30 MPG. And they can be had for a song. $35K will get you a sweet one.

        • 0 avatar

          The best US sedan ever is the CT6-V. It beats the Germans at their own game. The Cadillac V-series is probably the best engineering work Cadillac has ever done. A few years ago one of Cadillac’s sedans pushed through the 200mph barrier. Of course in the reign of Barra, Cadillac is getting rid of their top performing cars. From 2003 to 2018 Cadillac engineered and designed the best American sedans ever. Now it is over.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Is the CT6-V the one with the unique engine? The last time Cadillac released their own engine and it worked out of the box was 1968. Chances are that the Blackwing will still be down when it is canceled.

        • 0 avatar
          ponchoman49

          GM bash central- AKA TTAC is truly alive and well. You guys need serious help!

    • 0 avatar

      The problem is GM trucks and SUVs are even worse than their cars.

    • 0 avatar
      N8iveVA

      Yes because the G8 and SS sold in such huge numbers.

      • 0 avatar
        TMA1

        I was wondering when someone would get to the SS. It was a total bomb, but apparently it’s what everyone secretly wants (but can’t pay $50K for).

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          The only way the SS would have made sense was badged as a Caprice/Impala and sold like the Charger. V6 base, say 5.3 V8 mid trim, and SS high performance model.

          That’s what Lutz wanted (and I think he wanted to set up production in the states) but GM brass had an obligation to try to keep the Holden factory going until they could shutter it.

          • 0 avatar
            jack4x

            That’s basically what the G8 was and it also flopped. Offering a V6 didn’t make people any more interested in a blandly styled RWD sedan.

            Considering they had to bring a set number of Commodores over per the union agreement in Aus, it made sense for all of those to be high trim LS3 cars. That’s why the SS had virtually no options. Even then, they weren’t selling quickly. Some significant percentage were sold during 20% off sales.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            Right but part of the problem was when you combined the cost of transport from Australia with the wages in Australia there was no profit in the car.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uhhcaN03tXs

          I would not call the SS a total bomb, it’s closest competitor was the 392 Charger, only it handled better than a e39 M5 and offered a manual. It just didn’t have the V6 or the cheaper V8 to pad the numbers like the Charger. Similarly there was zero advertising, without the Holden badges 98% of people think it’s some POS FWD Impala. Instant bleh.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            The SS was a terrific car – too bad GM wasn’t interested in actually selling it.

            They’re also not interested in several other good cars, including the TourX, Regal and LaCrosse.

          • 0 avatar
            TMA1

            Yeah, I agree that the SS was an awesome car. Still a total bomb from a sales perspective though.

          • 0 avatar
            jack4x

            They sold exactly as many as they expected and planned for.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            I’d been happy as everyone else if GM sold 120k 6.2L RWD $50k sedans a year. But $50k is a lot more than the average new car price so I’m not sure what you expected. Realistically the car far surpassed most estimates especially with absolutely zero visibility and a badge that has become synonymous with snooze mobiles.

            People get asked about their Impala/Malibu/Cruze SS every day because it doesn’t quite look “right”. It doesn’t quite fit the mold of lame snoozer but people don’t expect anything better from a Chevrolet sedan so they don’t believe something decent was actually sold under the brand.

    • 0 avatar
      Hydromatic

      We already have something like that.

      It’s called SILVERADO.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Must never have driven a fleet Ford Focus with the double clutch tranny if you believe Malibu is the worst car you have ever driven. Add the cloth seats made from recycled plastic pop bottles with short seats along with the tiny windows and the Malibu would be a luxury car in comparison. Not nearly the worst car on the road unless you have not driven anything else.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      Name a car that’s worse… And not another GM.

      GM knows its customer base, typically County offices that don’t want their Child Protection Services workers enjoying the ride or going for joyrides after-hours or weekends.

      • 0 avatar
        Maymar

        I have to assume you mean a car that’s worse… currently in production. As low-hanging (and relatively recent) fruit, the Dodge Avenger was absolutely terrible (at least without the Pentastar). Slower, thirstier, and more uncomfortable than the Malibu, and with awful visibility. The Malibu is, well, it’s not a compelling enough choice over a Camry to justify the risks you might take, but it’s a comfortable, quiet enough appliance that seems to get 30mpg for most users, and is quick enough for how most people drive.

        Although, Fiat still lists the 500L on their website, so there’s that one too.

  • avatar
    Best_Ever

    “Unlike Ford” LMFAO. GM is killing their cars. Whether it be because they are garbage or because nobody wants cars anymore(or because nobody wants garbage GM cars), they ARE going to go. Nice swipe at Ford though. I dont expect anything less from this blog. Can we get Bark up in here for some more of that insightful discourse? THX.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Not a swipe at Ford as much as the Focus is a much worse drive. As long as crossovers, cuvs, and pickups are the money makers there is little incentive for the Big 2 and 1/2 to make cars at least cars that people will buy.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      If you get the Focus with the manual transmission God intended, it is a nice car. Get it with ST badges and it was great. Smallish automatics have always been malaisemobiles. Granted, If I was forced into an automatic I wouldnt own a powershift and I am a Ford guy. They suck, but when equipped with a manual they are quite good. Alas everyone is a wiener now and needs an auto. Yay America.

      • 0 avatar
        eng_alvarado90

        You nailed it. Back then I was going to get a 2015 Focus SE with the manual transmission and it was quite peppy and cheap to run. I was actually surprised the dealer had a 2015 with the manual for test drive (and only 3 available for purchase in my city).
        Coming from a 2009 Corolla slushbox, the Focus was quite refreshing and was just better in any way, although I didn’t buy it because I just had moved to another job and was not willing to get through a financing.
        Now that the prices have rock bottomed for used ones and I’m more financially stable, I’d have no problem adding one to my next purchase list.

  • avatar
    JoeBrick

    I must say that this new Malibu is quite an attractive automobile. Like the Impala that it is replacing.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Beauty is only skin deep.

      If real-world buyers were only concerned about buying a good-looking car, GM would not be in the pickle that it is in again.

      Since GM was world famous for its Badge Engineering in the past, it may have been advisable for GM to rebadge a Camry and/or an Accord as a Malibu and Impala, to get the reliability, durability and value-retention GM products lack.

      • 0 avatar
        TMA1

        Reliability and durability, yes. Value retention is still not there. Just look at any Toyota-badged NUMMI product compared to the Chevy/Pontiac equivalent.

        • 0 avatar
          eng_alvarado90

          True that. I just LOL every time I see a used car ad like a Pontiac Vibe followed by the mandatory (“Toyota Matrix”) in the same header or back then a Chevy Prism (“Corolla”), just hoping such clarification would magically add value. In the end the buyer gets the win, a reliable and cheap car.

          • 0 avatar
            TMA1

            Just imagine how much more a Toyota-badged Cavalier would be worth if they sold them in North America (they did sell them in Japan).

  • avatar

    The Malibu is mostly a mid-pack finisher among the top mid-sized sedans. It performance is equal or slightly better than the out going fusion. For some reason GM car interiors are no where near as bad as their truck interiors. The new Sierra could have one of the cheapest looking interiors of any vehicles sold in North America. As said on this site many times it is just another example of GM not giving a damn.

    Lets be honest there is nothing to respect about current GM.

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      akear,

      Working Theory:
      – Based on much longer product cycles for trucks than cars, GM Design Staff has had fewer passes at their truck interiors vs. car interiors.
      – So the current GM truck interior looks dated.

      Extension:
      – The dated truck design is more usable and customer friendly (overall) than the fresher car design (which they have had more swipes at).
      – So people buy the truck (if they buy GM – i.e., GM car sales are dropping faster than GM truck sales).

      Bonus Opinion:
      – Lutzification has not helped the trucks/SUV’s.

  • avatar

    It did not take long for the Koreans to completely take out Detroit. Nobody a decade ago would believe Kia and Hyundai would put an end to the American car.

    It just get worse every year. Barra and Hackett have really damaged their respective companies.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    TTAC should seriously do a B&B poll of the mass market automakers, having the worst quality, least reliable vehicles.

    As an added bonus, put a category in the poll having to do with being overpriced, also, based on value received for purchase $.

    If Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) doesn’t finish as the worst of the worst by a large plurality of votes, if not majority, I’ll be shocked.

    People rag on FCA, Nissan, and others, when in reality, if you strip off Fiat and Alfa from FCA, they do a much better job of delivering solid, relatively reliable, and good value vehicles (think 300, Durango, JGC, Cherokee, Charger, RAM, Challenger, Pacifica, etc.) than Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) does (think Envision, Encore, Malibu, Sonic, Blazer, Chinerado, Camaro, Cadillac pretty much anything, new Equinox, this gen Cruze – all grossly overpriced Pieces of $hit).

    A $30,000 new Chrysler 300 is a more solid, smoother, more refined sedan than ANY Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) sedan, the RAM is 3 notches superior to the Silverado/Chinerado, the Grand Cherokee and Cherokee are better than their Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) counterparts in every respect at a lower purchase price, etc.

    Just get the sale of Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) to the Chinese Government over and done with, FFS.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    akear – If I were a Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) executive or employee right now, I’d be supremely worried.

    RAM is kicking the teeth out of the Chevy Silverado/Mexirado-GMC Mexierra/Chierra, and the new Hyundai Palisade is at least 2x the quality, better built, of better, more solid components, with much better interior and exterior materials, better technology standard, -‘as just one example of Hyundai/Kia whipping Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) A$$ – than anything Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) has at even twice the price.

    Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) is now set up for a another massive, historic meltdown, under the incompetence, seditious stewardship of Mary Barra.

  • avatar

    Barra has systematically killed off most of GM’s best vehicles. What has been done to Cadillac in the last year is criminal. The CT6-v is probably the best car GM has ever produced and it may fade into oblivion. Yet excrement like the Sierra survives and thrives. Remember, both the Ram and F-150 now outsell the sierra. I am getting so tired of GM cancelling their best vehicles.

    • 0 avatar
      Oldschool

      You’re right Akear, the CT6 was a great effort by Cadillac, bringing back a semi big RWD Cadillac that was absent since 1996 with the Fleetwood. I personally owned a 94 Fleetwood Brougham for 8 years and it was my daily driver. I freakin loved that car! But I couldn’t afford to keep it anymore as I own too many vehicles.

      Now that Cadillac is installing the Blackwing V8 in the CT6, it is now a match made in heaven, but the timing of it all is just sucks as less people are buying sedans. Not saying that CT6 is better than say an S-Class, but I was hoping in a few years Cadillac could match it in interior size and luxury appointments over time and be competitive in that segment of large luxury sedans again but that looks to be history soon here.

      It comes down to business economics 101. You can produce the worlds latest and greatest whatever it may be, if no one is buying it, you lose money and go broke fast. With the auto industry, automakers are much more vulnerable to buyer tastes and their changes because they are investing so much time and money into certain makes and models, that if there vehicles aren’t selling well, production goes down to save on labor and overhead thus by cutting workers hours and saving in material cost.

      We have to see though if greed is in the works here, or if GM really is suffering mass financial losses by keeping many plants open. Because how is it that Toyota, Honda and Hyundai are able to have American factories here, and do well, while Ford and GM are struggling paying American labor? Wall Street has a lot power and control more so than what we think, especially the shareholders.

      It’s really sad, because it’s sorta what forced all the downsizing in American cars in the late 70’s and forced many people to sell their big cars of the 70’s when the fuel crisis hit in 72. There’s was nothing wrong with them and for the most part, the big full size Fords and Chevies were very reliable in those days, it was obviously their small cars that weren’t.

      But as the downsizing took place, and emissions controls kicked in, it was a living nightmare for American automakers especially during the 80’s when most cars were bad. The market and the government forced those changes, just like what is happening with car sales. You have to adapt or die. I hate it just as much as others do, but thank god I can enjoy my classic cars because it reminds me of a time when America used to build wonderfully amazing cool cars, that were brash and bold in styling before all the government intervention and regulation. Cars that were heavy duty in build and drove so nice. None of this cookie cutter crap we see today. Plastic fantastic grills, plastic side mirrors, plastic bumpers and door handles, plastic just about everywhere you look and touch. Pure disposable garbage IMO that won’t last 20 or 30 years without serious decay. You have none of that plastic crap in a 60’s Cadillac or any vehicle for the most part at that time.

      Sorry for the rant, but dang it, i get passionate about this stuff!!

  • avatar
    Oldschool

    A lot of automakers badge engineer, so let’s not get carried away with solely criticizing GM. Ford has been badge engineering since the 70’s, more so than GM did at the time especially if you compared Cadillacs exclusive engines from the 50’s-70’s, to say 70’s Lincoln Continentals that used a typical Ford 460 engine vs Cadillacs exclusive 472-500 engine up until 1976.

    The panther platform is one example.

    As for the Malibu, i rented a 18 LT Malibu when I traveled to Vegas on vacation a couple of months ago, and for the most part it was an “ok” car, it wasn’t great, but wasn’t bad either.

    The interior fitment and some materials were actually better than i expected, and the front doors were pretty solid, but overall it doesn’t look as stylish as a Camry or an Accord interior where those cars look semi luxurious inside in comparison. The ride quality wasn’t all that smooth especially over pot holes, it was too firm for my liking, but that goes for most modern day sedans.

    I did hate the stop start feature, but the 1.5 liter engine had good get up and go power and the gas mileage was great, I didn’t have to get gas in Vegas until the 3rd day I was there and I drove all the way from San Diego.

    My 17 Impala is still a so much nicer and a much better built, more solidly built car than the Malibu. I couldn’t wait to get back to my car after renting the Malibu. I could have taken my Impala to Vegas, but I didn’t want to add additional wear and tear driving that far.

    After also renting a 18 Kia Optima, the Optima rode way smoother, was quieter, was faster, and felt a little better built than the Malibu. So I can see how GM feels like “well this is good enough” instead of truly trying to surpass the competition with its cars. One thing I hate when manufacturers state that they removed hundreds of pounds of weight from their vehicles, what that partially tells me, is that they cost cutted in material use by removing more metal using more plastics and light weight materials in the name of better fuel economy and handling characteristics.

    Going from my Impala to the Malibu feels like a night and day difference. Almost as if a completely different manufacturer made the each car.

    Unfortunately the public was suckered into buying the Malibu when they could have had a much better car in the Impala.

    I do agree that Barra has to go, she simply doesn’t care to truly compete with its rivals and be the best. Lately I feel like especially with Chevy vehicles like the Equinox and Traverse, they look very bland and feminine in design. Almost as if they were made specifically for women buyers. The Cruze as well, cutesie cars with generic styling. The Blazer on the other hand actually looks pretty cool, but that’s about it and of course the Impala which personally still looks great compared to most new sedans in the road today IMO.

    • 0 avatar
      gtem

      Oldschool my rental experience mirrors yours exactly, I might not even be so kind about the “power” of the 1.5T. A base trim Optima LX-FE rode notably better over bad roads and felt notably stronger. The new Camry is stronger yet with its 2.5L DI motor and 8spd.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      I’m pretty sure most car buyers are women at this point, hence the feminine design cues. Especially for tall minivans with hinged doors. And few men are going into a dealership without at least some input from their better half.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    @Oldschool–I have driven the Malibu as well and it is far from terrible but it is no better than average. Agree about the Impala being a much better car but I could say that about the Lacrosse as well. I believe that Barra and the board are setting GM up to eventually be sold and my thought it will be the Chinese who buy them. At a cheap enough price the Malibu or Fusion would be an adequate car but that would have to be a sizeable discount.

    At the present time I am more concerned about adding more ethanol to our fuel which is damaging to outdoor power equipment, marine engines, and any older vehicles from 2001 and before especially since in a few years ethanol content will increase from 10% to 15%. I have gone to pure gas for my outdoor power equipment because of the damage it has done to my lawn mowers, gas blowers, and gas trimmers. Electric power might not be so bad if more corn based ethanol is added to gasoline. If the Government decides to outlaw pure gasoline for power equipment I will definitely go all electric–I have had some expensive repairs on my equipment due to ethanol.

    • 0 avatar
      Oldschool

      GM could very well be sold to the Chinese. It’s happening with many of our American companies, they are selling out to China. Apple and Google are examples of this scary dilemma.

      There should be laws passed that ban Foreign buyers or entities from purchasing American property and businesses. Many other countries have similar laws, so why can’t we? It’s extremely important to protect our sovereignty and culture from outside influences or else we won’t have a country decades from now and will be owned and controlled by foreigners.

      As for ethanol, one way for the government to eliminate old cars from the road is to mandate 15% ethanol content which would be a disaster! My old carburetorated cars already struggle with modern fuel and need to be adjusted differently from what the factory shop manual states because of the 10% ethanol.

      Finding pure 100% gas here in CA is impossible and I don’t their is a gas station that’s sales it locally.

      I don’t understand the reasons behind increasing ethanol content to cut down on emission pollutants when new cars have such good pollution control devices on them, there’s no need for more ethanol in gas.

      Seriously when was the last time you got behind a newish or late model vehicle and the tailpipe reeked? I personally cant think of one. Modern engines are very efficient and cleaner burning than they once were.

      Again, there’s always someone behind the scene pulling the strings. Everything is about money, and if more ethanol makes it way into gas, that’s more money for farmers that produce it. Politicians are so stupid and ignorant when it comes to things like this. Our lives and way of life is unfortunately controlled by a handful of politicians that act like they know what’s best for everyone, when if anything they seek to pass laws to increase government control over the people and they slowly erode our freedoms at the very same time.

  • avatar
    redapple

    MISC
    1- youtube making your own ethanol free gas (i agree E10 E15 is evil)
    2- GM was run by the Government when Barra was appointed. The Osama administration put non white men in most positions.
    3- ‘oldschool’ the Blazer looks cartoonish. visibility outward is class worst.
    4- Blazer is one of the HIGHEST mexico/china content cars sold here. Please. Just say NO. China is not our friend. Close to the opposite in reality.

    • 0 avatar

      Barra started out doing a good job, but fell victim to wall street whims. Apparently, Barra was under enormous pressure to cancel various carlines. The most interesting fact was the Impala was still the best selling vehicle in its class.

    • 0 avatar
      HotPotato

      “The Osama administration” (I see what you did there) “put non white men in most positions” you say?

      Mm-hm. For about 70% of TTAC cranks, I’d say that sums up their ACTUAL objection to Mary Barra, and to Obama for that matter.

      It’s effin’ pathetic.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Yes everything is about money which is what corn based ethanol is about. Mandate gasoline contain at least 10% corn based ethanol and then increase it to 15% to help the farmers which its ultimate purpose is to help Archer-Daniels and Monsanto who pay for political campaigns. There are other sources to make ethanol which do not require growing corn and that are less damaging and cleaner. Farmers grow too much corn and are subsidized for not growing corn but if farmers don’t grow as much corn then they will not buy as much Roundup and Roundup ready corn seed which decreases sales and earnings for Monsanto now owned by Bayer. Less about clean air and energy independence and more about subsidizing farmers and supporting Monsanto and Archer-Daniels.

    Yes more ethanol will eliminate older vehicles and not just classic and antique ones. My 99 S-10 will not run on more than 10% ethanol for long and most outdoor power equipment and marine engines will not as well. Someone will come up with a way to run these on more ethanol but it will be very expensive and possibly it will mean engines will need to be modified or even rebuilt. For me if I still own the S-10 I will scrap it unless my nephew gets it and figures a way to make it run on the higher ethanol. Most likely scrap my outdoor power equipment which is not that old and go all electric especially if I am not able to get pure gasoline. I have thrown out a number of gas powered leaf blowers and gas trimmers and will have to spend a couple of hundred dollars to rebuild and repair a 3 year old Troybilt riding mower. Cheaper to buy the real gas than to replace and repair equipment.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    @akear–There would be a firestorm now if GM would become Chinese owned but in a few years and a different President things could change. Not that I am in favor of GM becoming Chinese owned just that it could happen.

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      Maybe Mary Barra isn’t entirely incompetent. She’s just been executing a five year plan to make GM so completely irrelevant to Americans that they don’t care when its headquarters and incorporation move to China. Too bad for her that Hillary didn’t get elected.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Agree, if there is another bailout the taxpayers will be begging for the Chinese to take GM over.

  • avatar
    427Cobra

    had a Malibu as a rental over the weekend. Decent car, tho I’d prefer the 2.0T engine. The base engine was just a bit too wheezy… Not a fan of the stop/start function either. Not sure if it was the roads I was on, but tire noise was pretty bad in some instances. Averaged about 30 mpg according to the dash… not bad. I found the interior very comfortable tho.

    • 0 avatar
      gtem

      These current Malibus are definitely louder than the ’13-’16s they replaced. A ton of emphasis was put on weight reduction, the old car was a porker, but a very solid, tomb-quiet one. The new one even has holes drilled into the aluminum lower control arms, they were REALLY trying to “make weight” with it. Lutz talked about this somewhere, the first order of business was making cars that felt well put together and quiet (even at a cost of increased weight), and only then would they turn attention back towards lighter weight/MPG focus.

  • avatar
    tomLU86

    I like sedans. I’m currently renting a VW Jetta.

    You open the door, close it…feels like a 2007 Ford Focus, kind of cheap-sounding. But interior looks good, comfortable seat. Visibility is GREAT–best I’ve had in years.

    Start up the car..all good. Shift into drive…shifter feels like it’s got 240k miles, not 14k. Steering feels like an old American car…very light and lifeless. OK, we’re off. Stop-start–very jerky–but to their credit, VW has a defeat switch next to the shifter. I’d prefer if it ‘remembered’ to stay in defeat mode–cuz I will always turn it on.

    This car is a nice highway cruiser. However, the envelope between 0 and 60 mph is disappointing. Very much so.

    The ‘current generation’ Malibus I’ve rented drove much better—not great. I remember driving a 2011 Malibu around that time frame and feeling impressed with everything about the car, except the weak AC. GM dropped the ball on the next one, but the higher trim ones still drove well.

    Why did GM ditch the Impala and keep the Malibu? The Malibu is cheaper to build, and the Impala was built in two plants.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      You raise a good point. Why is that cars are manufactured with “off” buttons for the nannies, but have to be reengaged every time you start the vehicle? Drives me nuts!

      • 0 avatar
        Middle-Aged (Ex-Miata) Man

        “Why is that cars are manufactured with “off” buttons for the nannies, but have to be reengaged every time you start the vehicle?”

        Easy: the illusion of choice. Kinda like our political system.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Corn-based ethanol scam? Correct! Sugar cane ethanol is WAY better.

    Sugar cane derived ethanol, as is produced in South America, can be produced for approx 5% of the cost of corn-derived ethanol (production costs, not logistics of shipping it).

    The corn-derived ethanol thing is a MASSIVE SCAM ON TAXPAYERS/CONSUMERS and MASSIVE WELFARE TO BIG AGRICULTURE.

    Sugar cane grows like crazy, even win the wild, with almost no required extra fertilizer, water or other commoditized input. Corn is a fertilizer and especially water intensive crop (corn requires about 100x the amount of water that sugar cane does to grow).

    CONGRATULATIONS AMERICAN TAXPAYERS/CONSUMERS. You literally could have ethanol at the pump for approx 1/5th the cost of what it is now BUT FOR CONgress and “both” “different” political parties bending you over, repeatedly, par for the course in every facet of your life.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Agree corn based ethanol is a scam and we are all paying for it as taxpayers and the damage it does to our vehicles and power equipment. It would be interesting to know just how much dollarwise the damage that corn based ethanol does to vehicles and power equipment–I would guess it would be at least millions per year.


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