By on May 2, 2019

The last decade is littered with announcements from cities, provinces, and states from across the globe, promising to ban internal combustion vehicles by a predetermined date. While the rules and timelines vary quite a bit, the locations are relatively consistent. China and Europe are the most eager to adopt a zero-emission strategy, with California doing most of the promising in North America.

This week, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announced the city’s “Green New Deal.” Styled to resemble the contentious stimulus program sponsored by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA) that shares its name, LA’s plan is similarly concerned with promoting “environmental justice,” equity, green jobs,  renewable energy, improved air quality, and sourcing clean water.

Transportation is also a major component of the deal, with the city suggesting that 100 percent of car sales will be zero-emission by 2050 and 50 percent of all trips could be completed by walking, biking, “micro-mobility” (scooters, etc), or public transit — reducing vehicle miles per capita by 45 percent in the same timeframe. 

Most of the city’s plans involve ramping up compliance rates over time. In the case of zero-emission vehicles, LA wants to see 25-percent sales saturation by 2025, 80 percent by 2035, and 100 percent by 2050. Other aspects of California’s Green New Deal are handled in a similar manner, ramping up over time.

The proposal is not limited to personal vehicles. Los Angeles plans to have all Metro and LADOT buses go electric by 2030. Another interesting inclusion involves ensuring the city is “prepared for Autonomous Vehicles (AV) by the 2028 Olympic and Paralympic Games.”

From our vantage, the plan looks unrealistically ambitious. First, the city does not have anywhere near the amount of charging points required to facilitate electrification at this rate. While Tesla’s Supercharger network and Volkswagen’s mandatory investments into the charging infrastructure will undoubtedly help, LA is going to need see a surge in new stations if it hopes to see EV adoption rates keep pace with the Green New Deal.

Meanwhile, other aspects of the plan — like totally eliminating homelessness by 2028 — seem totally impossible. LA has a serious problem with people living on the streets and, even if it does manage to ramp up supportive housing, it’s difficult to imagine tent cities vanishing in less than one decade.

The fix for its energy/pollution problems are even less well thought out. LA wants to build the most reliable grid in the world to support the glut of EVs. However, it also wants to phase out natural gas operations at three power plants in the city by 2029 and eventually move to a grid that’s comprised entirely by renewable energy — leaning primarily on wind and solar and storing every electron it can accumulate.

That may prove insufficient as electric vehicles increase in volume and everyone plugs in their car after work. EVs will add to peak draw hours, likely overwhelming the grid as people also switch on the TV, lights, air conditioner, and whatever other electrical device happens to be within reach. Most experts seem to agree that, once 20 percent of residents in a given area own electric cars, utilities are going to have a very difficult time keeping up during peak hours.

California thinks it can get around this by utilizing smart grids, increasing the city’s cumulative energy storage and forcing every parking lot to have some way of capturing solar energy. It’s all relatively new territory. Researchers are still working on how to cope with what will happen as more people switch to EVs; the general consensus seems to be that a very robust grid must be in place before widespread adoption occurs.

If you want to check out  Los Angeles’ Green New Deal, the mayor’s office has released it in its entirety. We’re curious as to your thoughts, especially those of you living in California.

[Image: Michael Vi/Shutterstock]

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56 Comments on “Los Angeles Has a Green New Deal of Its Own – No ICE Vehicles by 2050...”


  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Good luck with that, fellas.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Yup, ain’t gonna happen (for an infinite variety of reasons – illegal aliens needing to drive themselves to work being just one of them).

      But I hope to see it happen. I’ll be 103 years old by then…

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    At what point will insanity of the left finally be voted out of office?

    These people are not well. It’s clear by the garbage they propose (Green new deal, this no car nonsense) that they have serious issues.

  • avatar
    ToddAtlasF1

    I saw a video today where people who escaped North Korea were served various styles of US barbecue for the first time. Their reactions were a pretty good predictor of how people who escape the Green New Deal will feel when faced with what we’ve given up. #walkaway

  • avatar
    vanpressburg

    We live in an insane world of George Orwell.
    Fight Neo-Marxists, fight for the freedom.

  • avatar
    Asdf

    It’s evil.

  • avatar
    James2

    He hasn’t said it aloud or prepared one big package, but our idiot HNL mayor is thinking along the same lines. First, he’s pushing The Train That We Can’t Afford. Second, one by one he’s eliminating lanes from main drags to make bike lanes. Additionally, the state of Hawaii as a whole has set a 2030 date to be completely energy-sustainable.

  • avatar
    R Henry

    Green DREAM !

    Garcetti wants to run for President…this is how he hopes to earn cred with the Progressives.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Garcetti has to join the 20 other me-too candidates. I predict that Biden will be the overwhelming favorite with Bernie as his running mate.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        Government of the Boomers, by the Boomers, shall not perish from this earth!

        Signed,

        Disgruntled GenXer, Child of Boomers.

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          Jokes on them. The department of education they created has brainwashed the millenials to redistribute their savings and healthcare.

        • 0 avatar
          raph

          Well like the Silent Generation, Gen-X’ers stand a serious chance of never being fully represented in the government and not having a sitting president ever.

          If its any consolation at least you can sympathize with Frankenstien’s Monster. Gen-X’ers as a generation are the “free love” mistakes that Boomers discarded in favor of thier trophy spouses and “perfect” marriages after becoming masters of the economy.

      • 0 avatar
        R Henry

        I believe Garcetti is positioning himself for a 2024 run.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          That would make sense. By then the field will have narrowed to Cory Booker, Stacey Abrams, Kamala Harris as faves who talk a good game but lack the governance experience Garcetti has demonstrated.

          No doubt shrill screams of “White Privilege” will be lobbed at Garcetti by the front runners.

      • 0 avatar

        I would expect opposite – Bernie for President and “Sleepy” Joe as a running mate, again.

  • avatar
    EGSE

    “Most of the city’s plans involve ramping up compliance rates over time.”

    This line from the fourth paragraph….is the word “compliance” used in Garcetti’s plan (I haven’t looked at the doc)? I’m not prone to conspiracy theories but “compliance”…???…gosh, sounds like a barely-veiled fist of coercion to get reluctant people to bend to his will. Hmmm…

    i thought the D.C. area had a serious “street people” (the PC term in these parts) problem until I landed a consulting gig just north of L.A. twenty years ago. The aggressive panhandlers made it feel downright dangerous to be out on the streets after dark. An employee of the client said L.A. could get rid of the homeless overnight by moving the city to Montana where they have real winters. Then the homeless would move to San Diego.

  • avatar
    65corvair

    All I ask is let the residents vote on it who live in LA.

  • avatar
    R Henry

    …as if not selling ICE cars within the city limits will have any effect whatsoever on the composition of the local automobile fleet. Such arrogance!

    Does the City of LA really believe its residents won’t drive over El Monte, CA, home of the worlds biggest Toyota dealer to by a ICE car?

    Will Galpin Ford, in the Valley, and the biggest Ford dealer in the world….perhaps, just maybe, bitch a little about this..perhaps withhold political support from the group who is promoting this pap?

    Does the City of LA really want to export all the sales tax revenue from ICE vehicle sales?

  • avatar
    thornmark

    from the same people that brought you “High Speed Rail” aka the greatest boondoggle in CA history.

    good luck CA, just pass a bill and watch the magic happen

    not

  • avatar
    thornmark

    btw, just read that CA is growing at the slowest rate ever – so maybe that’s the strategy

  • avatar
    Dilrod

    If they mandate parking lots must have charging stations, pay-for parking will go up & free parking will disappear.

  • avatar
    kamiller42

    “leaning primarily on wind and solar ”

    Better learn to love nuclear to satisfy those energy needs.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    Issuing moronic goals with no plan on achieving them and no intention of doing so is just part of the virtue signaling skillset Garcetti is committed to developing.

    It should be understood by now that anything labeled “Green New Deal” has been created by lazy politicians to fool the dim into believing they’re pro-environment. The only thing these charlatans support is their re-election and more of your money getting hoovered up into a ‘general fund’.

  • avatar
    MKizzy

    If the current administration manages to set a new precedent with its anti-Californianism and is followed by another 2-3 like minded Presidents, Southern and Northern Cali could go their separate ways. Then L.A. can make its people skateboard to work as far as the rest of America is concerned.

  • avatar

    Meh, not impressed. We were supposed to be on Mars by now.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      yeah, and where are those flat screen tvs and communicators we saw on Star Trek? What about those fools that said there would be computers in every home?

      • 0 avatar
        -Nate

        You forgot Dick Tracy’s “Wrist Gee-Nee”…….

        =8-) .

        I’m thinking few of the commenters here actually live in California much less Los Angeles as i do .

        -Nate

  • avatar
    Superdessucke

    Well, since AOC says we only have 12 years left to live, this is what one might call a token gesture.

  • avatar
    Charliej

    The readers of TTAC bill themselves at the best and brightest but looking at what they write they look more like dumb and dumber to me.

  • avatar

    The City of Amsterdam just announced the plan to no longer allow any ICE vehicles after 2030!

    • 0 avatar

      By postponing the switch to 2050, the U.S. auto industry will lag behind the foreign competition, since it experiences no push, no hard deadline to work towards to.

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        @voyager:”postponing the switch to 2050, the U.S. auto industry will lag”

        Market forces will make it happen much sooner. Technology is moving fast. We live in what is essentially a lithium battery driven world. Cell phones, string trimmers, power tools, EVs, and a whole lot more depend on improved batteries. Improved battery technology prototypes exist and it’s a matter of getting them into mass production – which isn’t a trivial step. We’re talking about batteries with at least twice the energy density of what’s currently in production. In addition to improved density, durability has vastly improved and is getting better to the point a battery is probably more durable than an ICE motor or transmission. Oil companies are starting to invest in charging networks, so finding a charge station will become less of an issue.

        As the downsides to EVs start to decrease, sales will increase. Not because they’re greener, but because they are better to drive and less hassle to own. Say goodbye to torque-lag afflicted ICE drivetrains. No more “check engine” lights. Home fueling so you can avoid trips to a gas station to fuel. No oil changes.

        Once EVs start to gain more traction, the infrastructure supporting ICE cars will start to contract. Fewer gas stations so range anxiety will become reality to ICE drivers. Getting service will be even tougher because fewer techs will train on ICE technology. Owning an ICE car after 2030 will be possible, but it will be hell.

        I say let market forces do their thing. I have confidence in EV technology and it’s going to win out without setting deadlines. People won’t buy them because they’re greener or the government tells them to. They’ll buy them because they are genuinely a leap forward in automotive technology and will become much more enjoyable to own than any ICE car as the technology progresses.

    • 0 avatar
      AdamOfAus

      Or let the free market sort it out. Nope, increase government and reduce freedom. Why anyone can support this kind of fascism is beyond me.

  • avatar
    stingray65

    Lets see – CA subsidizes and protects illegals and homeless, which is why they have so many. CA subsidizes EVs and renewables, which is why they have so many of them, and why their electricity is the highest priced in the nation. CA is shutting down their gas and nuclear plants, which don’t require subsidies to run efficiently 24/7/365. So all I see if lots of money being spent on subsidies and insufficient electricity to run commerce and industry that actually pays taxes and employs people. Of course when CA goes dark permanently, their carbon footprint will finally make all the environmentalists happy.

    • 0 avatar
      Chris Powers

      In general, whatever you subsidize, you get more of.

    • 0 avatar
      philipwitak

      and in the meantime, i believe california is still the fifth largest economy in the world. in all seriousness, i would not want to live anywhere else.

      • 0 avatar
        -Nate

        “in all seriousness, i would not want to live anywhere else.”

        Just so ~ you’ll notice most of the California hate comments come from ‘red’ states, not from those who live here, that’s because those who hate are in fact _envious_ .

        Folks who don’t like living here with the incredibly high quality of life standards, are encouraged to leave forthwith .

        ” and any other adult human with a functioning moral compass wants that too.”

        And therein lies the rub .

        Most have no actual contact with the homeless, those of us who do are suffering greatly .

        I have some sympathy for them but I too was homeless for a bit, didn’t like it and got off my uneducated bum and got to work and changed things .

        If an average high school dropout like me can make it, most anyone who’s not mentally deficient can .

        -Nate

    • 0 avatar
      HotPotato

      I doubt the average price of electricity in California varies much from the average price of any other place in North America with comparable population density etc.

      You might think green posturing is the reason solar and wind farms are now built instead of coal or nuclear plants, but perhaps it’s more because they’re so cheap and quick to build at this point. It’s not just a California thing: you might have noticed that Texas oil country is covered in practically as many windmills as pump jacks.

      As for the rest, though it’s off topic:

      “Illegals” provide cheap labor for the state that grows a huge share of your fruits, nuts, meat, dairy, and vegetables. If you like finding abundant and affordable food at the supermarket, you should thank Jesus. And Jose. And Alfredo. “Illegals” also prop up Social Security for you, so that you can complain on the internet instead of working: they pay in, but can’t cash out.

      As for the homeless, I hope California *does* get more of those folks housed, as would any other adult human with a functioning moral compass. Some are normal folks who are priced out of renting a place, and building more housing would help. But many others aren’t right in the head, and they need treatment. Being mentally ill doesn’t mean you deserve to die on the street.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    Geeky technical question:

    “That may prove insufficient as electric vehicles increase in volume and everyone plugs in their car after work. EVs will add to peak draw hours, likely overwhelming the grid as people also switch on the TV, lights, air conditioner, and whatever other electrical device happens to be within reach. Most experts seem to agree that, once 20 percent of residents in a given area own electric cars, utilities are going to have a very difficult time keeping up during peak hours.”

    I thought the idea was to charge EV’s overnight/after the sun goes down. The last I heard California utilities were offering differential/off-peak pricing to encourage this (such a scheme would definitely incentivize me to charge at 1AM/3AM/etc). I thought this would actually help level out base load (obviously not solar or wind). Has this changed?

    (Not to mention two-way schemes where I could use my EV or Powerwall to reduce grid demand during the afternoon peak.)

    • 0 avatar
      MBella

      What’s funny is that in California now, it would actually make sense to charge your car during daylight hours, since that’s where all the solar power is. They have subsided solar power so much, that they have an excess that neighboring states have to be paid to take. Then at night, they have to pay to buy electricity.

  • avatar
    -Nate

    Oh, boy ~ here we go again .

    When the mayor’s only vehicle is an all electric one I’ll believe in this foolishness .

    ? Remember some years back when BMW _GAVE_ the L.A.P.D. several black and white electric cars and NO ONE WOULD DRIVE THEM ? . (I mentioned it here A TTAC in passing) .

    In time they filtered down to the supply unit where anyone could drive one, any time, for lunch, go shopping, whatever, just USE the damn thing and almost no one ever did so they faded away, I don’t know where they went but there’s always a place to stash unwanted vehicles .

    One the one hand I hope this works out, on the other hand there’s a fiduciary responsibility to the tax payers here…..

    -Nate

    • 0 avatar
      HotPotato

      Yeah, that whole BMW i3 thing was stupid. They should have just used them to replace pool cars for in-town duty and trained employees how to use them. Instead they trained nobody and painted them like cop cars. Never mind that cops are second to none when it comes to feeling like they need to prove their manhood, and need the Natural Male Enhancement of driving a Charger.

      If they wanted cops to use EVs, they should have given them Tesla Model S pursuit vehicles. You know, something that can dust a Hemi.


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