By on April 29, 2015

2016 Cadillac CTS-V

Cadillac has announced its next V-Series model will sport more than just big horsepower numbers when the third-generation CTS-V arrives to do battle with its German competition.

Following the launch of the brand-new ATS-V coupe and sedan this spring, deliveries of the larger CTS-V sedan will begin this summer with a base price of $83,995 before taxes and destination. Dealers are accepting orders now for the 640 horsepower, 6.2-liter supercharged V8-powered full-size Cadillac that’s capable of getting to 60 mph in 3.7 seconds on its way to a top speed of 200 mph.

With that price, the new Caddy undercuts the BMW M5 by nearly $10,000 while offering up more horsepower and torque, making it a performance bargain in the segment. Whether its any good versus the M5 is yet to be seen.

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90 Comments on “2016 Cadillac CTS-V Undercuts BMW M5 by $10,000, On Sale This Summer...”


  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    Well they offer a sportwagon version of this generation? Preferably in black with a manual, please.

    • 0 avatar

      #1 The CTS-Wagon was a complete failure and discontinued.

      #2 Manuals are already DEAD – they just don’t know it yet.

      The future is AWD, automatic transmissions and a sh*tload of power.

      • 0 avatar
        Arthur Dailey

        Your predictions may hold true for your small corner of the world.
        However in the rest of the world, wagons are still popular and manuals are still the norm.

        One of my neighbours has 2 cars in his garage.
        A nice ’56 T-Bird.
        A CTS-V wagon, in black.

        If he gave me my choice of either, I would take the Caddy. ‘Failure’ can be interpreted a number of ways. They may not have sold in the numbers that GM expected but they are a pretty sweet ride and better looking than the sedan.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “If he gave me my choice of either, I would take the Caddy. ‘Failure’ can be interpreted a number of ways. They may not have sold in the numbers that GM expected but they are a pretty sweet ride and better looking than the sedan.”

          Exactly. How many E63 AMG wagons did Mercedes sell? I think they’re close to selling 34 now. But I’d still sell a kidney for one. The ULTIMATE automotive Q-ship.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        What a boring future.

      • 0 avatar
        chuckrs

        re: #2 – I like a manual for the following reasons
        – I drive my cars into the ground, so
        – if needed, a clutch is a lot less $ than an auto trans rebuild
        (not sure DCT is worth the complexity)
        – cheap anti theft – the average thief probably can’t drive a manual
        – when my kids were new drivers, kept their friends from driving my
        cars – no longer a consideration
        – in NE winter slop conditions, stupid auto trans will shift into a
        lower gear and give me more torque I don’t want

        • 0 avatar
          NMGOM

          chukrs – – –

          I fully agree.

          For driving enthusiasts, here are the advantages of a manual (all else equal):
          1) More robust, durable, and longer-lasting;
          2) Less expensive to buy;
          3) Superior driver involvement**;
          4) Owner-doable oil change, which is also less frequent and less expensive;
          5) Requires no separate cooling system with its own radiator;
          6) Wear item = easily replaceable clutch (not the whole tranny!);
          7) Superior traction in slippery snow, by “feathering” the clutch;
          8) Almost air-tight theft protection.

          To this list, you could also add better fuel economy IF ALL ELSE WERE EQUAL, which is never the case. For example, if the SAME test vehicle were successively equipped with manual and automatic transmissions using:
          1) The same number of gears;
          2) The same gear ratios;
          3) Skilled operators in each case;
          4) The same final drive ratio;
          5) The same fuel;
          6) A test regimen on the same day, under the same temperature and other atmospheric conditions….
          Then, it would be impossible for any torque-converter automatic to get the same or better fuel economy than a manual.

          Attached are some links that also address this subject:
          1) http://www.starkeith.net/coredump/2005/01/30/manual-vs-automatic/
          2) http://www.carsdirect.com/car-repair/price-comparison-automatic-transmission-repair-vs-manual-transmission-repair
          3) http://manualversusautomatic.com/

          ========================

          • 0 avatar
            SunnyvaleCA

            I love manuals too. I drive a manual every day. For me, a manual is the single most import feature when shopping for a car.

            I’ll somewhat agree with “more durable.”

            That an automatic requires a separate oil cooler is kind of the reason for the less-durable and higher cost, so it’s kind of double-counting a complaint. However, you could throw out the oil cooler complaint and instead mention extra weight. Less durable, higher cost, and higher weight are three mostly-unrelated issues.

            Absolutely no argument from me that manuals are more fun.

            That said…
            Manuals often cost the same or more to buy (in the USA) in high end cars these days. Most of the time, manual transmission cars depreciate more quickly, so you many pay at resale too. Cost and depreciation aren’t the technology’s fault, but rather the fault of market dynamics.

            Owner-doable transmission oil change? Really depends on the car. I don’t think owners of modern BMW M5s do their own oil changes. Car’s I’ve owned have 100k transmission oil intervals, so the cost and hassle of going to a shop are pretty small.

            Better traction on slippery snow? Not too many modern M5s or CTS-Vs driving around in the snow with those summer tires. Automatic transmission cars at this price and power level will have a second-gear-start feature that provides just about no torque to the wheels at no-throttle. They will also provide a pseudo-manual mode that will mostly follow the owners instructions and not downshift unless you’re really lugging the engine. As for dry traction, you’ll note that just about all the hyper-powered cars give better acceleration times with automatics than with sticks. Not only that, but the consistency of acceleration times is far better. Even if you’re wasting 20% of the engine through the torque converter, the torque multiplier, consistency, and the fact that the engine has 20% more power than can be used make up for it.

            Fuel economy… automatics often come with more gears, so they could potentially do better in fuel economy. Even with the same number of gears, they often have a higher top gear ratio because the expectation is that the car will automatically (and quite frequently) downshift. With cheap gas here in the USA, fuel economy isn’t the main goal anyway, EPA benchmarks is–and an automatic can be well tuned to the tests whereas the test severely penalize the sticks.

            Save the manuals!

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Nope.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    You know how sometimes you see somebody who looks a bit off, a little slow perhaps, because their eyes are too far apart?

    Yeah.

  • avatar
    Waterview

    I applaud Cadillac’s efforts but wish they would consider an upgrade in material quality – specifically seating. Their leather is this cheap, shiny, plastic-y stuff that looks awful and wears poorly.

    • 0 avatar

      They go cheap where it counts and that ain’t good.

      Getting into a V-series should look and feel NOTHING like getting into a CTS or XTS or ATS.

      Worse yet…cheaper cars like the new C-class have far superior cuts, fit and finish.

      A $53,000 C-class 4-matic is an incredible looking and feeling car.
      Engine sucks – but you can’t have it all…

      • 0 avatar
        carguy

        @BTSR:

        “A $53,000 C-class 4-matic is an incredible looking and feeling car.
        Engine sucks – but you can’t have it all…”

        So Mercedes goes cheap where it really counts – the engine. Given the choice between a decent engine and soft touch plastics, the engine wins every day of the week.

        • 0 avatar
          sportyaccordy

          Maybe for you…. most folks don’t care, they won’t be revving past 4000 anyway.

        • 0 avatar

          carguy

          For what MErcedes gives you in a $53,000 C-class 4-matic, it’s easy to overlook the engine power if you aren’t obsessed with performance.

          And this is exactly what all these “professional reviewers” can’t understand or accept about the CLA.

          No one cares how well it handles.
          No one cares how much HP it has.
          No one cares what it’s MPG is.
          No one cars what its acceleration is.

          WHAT THEY DO CARE ABOUT is owning a MERCEDES BENZ.

          Mercedes didn’t “go cheap” on the engine. They just produced a great “luxury car” and told you to spend more for the C-AMG.

          • 0 avatar
            runs_on_h8raide

            Exactly!! It’s all about the “badge” and seeing as how most people lease these vehicles and get new ones every 2-3 years…they don’t really care much about performance #s, but they do care about being pampered.

          • 0 avatar
            Gardiner Westbound

            A neighbor showed us her new Mercedes CLA. In my view the exterior is well styled. The dash looks odd, especially the tacked on GPS screen. The engine is easily its worst aspect. At idle it sounds like a 30 year old diesel tractor.

          • 0 avatar

            + 10000000000000000000
            Turns out you CAN sell the badge attached to literally anything.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        “Getting into a V-series should look and feel NOTHING like getting into a CTS or XTS or ATS.”

        Interesting, since getting in to a M5 feels and looks a lot like getting into a 5-series, and getting into a E63 AMG feels and looks a lot like getting into a E-class. Upgraded leather, sport seats, and different materials? Of course. Cooler instruments? Naturally. More standard features? Yep.

        But the basic interior is directly out of the cheaper car. Same for the HELLCAT (yes, I capitalized it).

        Far as the CLA is concerned, yes, no one who buys it cares what the press thinks. Then again, what happens when they figure out there was no reason to overpay for it in the first place – that it wasn’t all that special? It’ll be their last Benz. Buyers who fancy themselves to be successful don’t like being hoodwinked. Ask the folks who brought out the Catera.

        Translation: Hope M-B enjoys the sales of that car while it can, because it cheapens the brand in the long run.

        • 0 avatar

          FREEDMIKE

          The existence of the CLA and GLA don’t change the existence of the ML (rename) and the CLS…or the S-class… or the Maybach.

          All of which are highly desireable, completely unaffordable cars by the world’s bottom 90%.

          “cheapening the brand”?

          I don’t think so.

          As for Cadillac: their styling is dated, their performance cars aren’t awesomeand Dodge is gonna eat their lunch.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “The existence of the Cimarron don’t change the existence of the Deville and the Seville…or the Eldorado… All of which are highly desireable, completely unaffordable cars by the world’s bottom 90%.”

            -Cadillac marketing memo on the Cimarron, 1981, repeated for the Catera, 1995

          • 0 avatar
            mr.cranky

            Cadillacs aren’t outselling Mercedes because they are Cadillacs. There’s really no other way to describe it.

    • 0 avatar
      thornmark

      >>I applaud Cadillac’s efforts but wish they would consider an upgrade in material quality – specifically seating. Their leather is this cheap, shiny, plastic-y stuff that looks awful and wears poorly.<<

      It's not just Cadillac:

      "Reduced down to its most basic understanding, because car leather has been coated with this clear protective resin coating, the reality is that you are cleaning and conditioning a form of plastic; plastic that is both flexible and clear."
      http://www.best-auto-detailing-tips.com/car-leather-care.html

      Which is why I prefer cloth. No need for seat heaters or coolers. Plus cloth has natural "seat" adhesion.

  • avatar
    RHD

    Cimarron II!

  • avatar

    HELLCAT is a far better car – with far better looks than the CTS-V.
    Not to mention a far better deal if you can score one without the insane dealer markups.

    I went to a dealer and saw a $10,000 markup.

    However, I truly believe that there is a 300 HELLCAT coming and I’m willing to wait for it. If it doesn’t come within 2 years – then I’d go for the Charger Hellcat.

    MEANWHILE – the CTS-V is less powerful, less spacious and less practical.

    Regardless how you feel about Chargers, its a more practical car in just about every way.

    • 0 avatar
      SV

      Wow, GM let you drive the new CTS-V already?

      • 0 avatar

        Numbers don’t lie.

        It’s MORE EXPENSIVE.
        Less POWERFUL.
        Less SPACIOUS.
        Less technology (C.U.E. still sucks and Uconnect Hellcat SRT is the best there is on the market).

        I will drive it as soon as Cadillac gets it and still NOT WANT.

        • 0 avatar
          carguy

          @BTSR: You have a rather unique lack of understanding of the luxury market.

          “It’s MORE EXPENSIVE” – yes as its an M5 competitor and not a cheap speed muscle car.

          Less POWERFUL – yes so is the M5. It like saying that a Shelby Cobra is better than a Ferrari 458 because it has more power.

          Less SPACIOUS – again not really an issue unless you are morbidly obese.

          Less technology (C.U.E. still sucks and Uconnect Hellcat SRT is the best there is on the market). – Actually the CTS has plenty of technology that is unavailable on any Challenger or Charger at any cost. You may want to visit the spec sheet before making such claims.

        • 0 avatar
          SC5door

          “Less technology (C.U.E. still sucks and Uconnect Hellcat SRT is the best there is on the market).”

          What “technology” does the Charger or Challenger have that Cadillac does not?

          Magnetic Ride Control? No.
          Recaro Seats? No.
          20 way power seats? No.
          Performance Data Recorder? No.
          Forward Collision Warning? No.
          Front view camera? No.
          Auto park assist? No.

          Lets be honest, I really like the Hellcat….but to say that it has MORE technology than the Cadillac is just ignorant.

          The Charger weighs 400 more pounds than the Cadillac as well….and that’s minus the power seats, cameras…ect that the CTS V offers.

          Both are solid cars, but with different missions. Too much weight on the nose of the Charger makes handling tricky where you end up having to continually kick the ass out to get it to rotate around the corner. I don’t expect that from the CTS.

          If it was my money? It’d be on a Grand Cherokee Hellcat.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Yeah, interesting that BTSR doesn’t make the same silly “HELLCAT RULZ” comparison to, say, a Mercedes E63 AMG, which is a direct CTS-V competitor. I mean, the Hellcat’s way cheaper and has more horsepower, so the Benz must be a piece of garbage, right?

            I’d take a Charger Hellcat in my driveway any day (well, as long as I had something that I could drive in the winter here in Denver – 700 HP + RWD + summer tires equals winter fail of a truly epic nature).

            The Hellcat is a fabulous car. But I wouldn’t compare it to something like a CTS-V with a straight face.

      • 0 avatar
        mr.cranky

        Is BTR Ralph Gilles in disguise?

        Sounds like he’s shilling the Hellcat way too much.

    • 0 avatar
      b534202

      Yeah, IF you can get it w/o mark up. I was quoted between 5k – 30k mark up at various dealerships within a 1000 mile radius for the Charger Hellcat.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Mullet-mobile.

      • 0 avatar
        PRNDLOL

        fact.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        Lol truth, it is utterly tasteless.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          I’d wager that the Hellcat Challenger conquest more FOREIGN vehicles than this infected wart of a wannabe-M5 Cadillac does.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            And it’s still a lazily imagined and lazily engineered look back to the past.

            I like some LX cars. Hellcats are not among them and Challengers are not among them and I really don’t like the combination.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            But it gives the people what they want (even some lily white elite types), which the CTS-V has truly failed to do (as proven by its dismal sales/demand).

            As far as performance, Jack B has way more time on a track than I, and seemed fairly impressed with the combination of engineering & technological modernity FCA was able to bestow upon the Hellcat (and even “lesser”‘ 500hp and 380hp Challengers).

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            “It gives the people what they want”

            Yeah, it’s easy to make things look that way by restricting supply. Current Hellcat sales and last-gen CTS-V sales (in years when the last-gen CTS was current) are in the same ballpark. If Dodge were to produce 10,000 more Hellcats, they’d be sitting on dealer lots unsold. Not that many people are dumb enough to pay $20,000 extra to put a level of power that’s only usable at the track in a non-track-appropriate $40,000 car.

            TL;DR: The Hellcat is just an exercise in d!ck-waving. At least the CTS-V shows engineering effort beyond “throw more power and weight at it.”

  • avatar
    bumpy ii

    One of the good things about the Chinese buyer’s increasing presence in the luxury market is their disdain for the skewed, clashy Arts & Science styling, which means Cadillac will have to start making respectable-looking cars soon.

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    That giant featureless grille really exaggerates how bad the new logo looks. I’d not much cared before but I cannot now unsee it.

    I demand a wreath and crest, and a colored trishield for starters.

  • avatar
    Speed3

    If every other CTS model undercut the 5 Series I bet it would be selling like crazy

  • avatar
    Big Al From 'Murica

    I’d give it a look if I was looking for sure. Question is are there lesser cars in the GM lineup that get this motor?

  • avatar
    PRNDLOL

    I have the previous generation CTS DI so I never warmed up to this car from a styling standpoint, but I must say The V treatment looks terrific and transforms the appearance. I can’t even imagine what 640HP feels like because mine goes like stink with just half that.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Cadillac, the “best of GM” or nothing, is so mismanaged, they can’t figure out that no one wants this uncouth, hideous, slobbering, shoddily built “sports sedan” even had they you undercut the M5 by $25,000 (which they ultimately will, if they want to sell more than 100 of these).

    I don’t care if this had 840 horsepower. It’s got no class & reminds me of what a Chinese knock-off of the real thing would be like.

    They’ll sell every one of these they actually manufacture, though –

    – TO GM EMPLOYEES FOR AROUND $55,000 !!!

    Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am, how I don’t “get it,” how Johan is going to save Cadillac from another year of “Mary, I shrunk the non-Escalade sales!,” yada, yada, taxa.

    Stick a fork in Cadillac. When Escalade sales decline again on the cycle (or before the cycle as that space gets even more crowded and competitive), it’s lights out for the dumbest badge going.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      p.s. – I just remembered that Johan de Nysschen drives the current gen CTS-V, so that pretty much proves my point.

      Anyone here who actually believes JdN would drive this or any other GM product were he not Head of Cadillac in SoHo with a Lee Ho Fooks Chinese menu in his hand is delusional. He’d not touch a GM product with your schwantzes.

    • 0 avatar
      mfrank

      Looks like Johan De Nysschen has created another hit. First the CT6 and now the CTS-V with a 640 hp V8, I love it. I can’t wait to see what Cadillac does next. From what I’ve read there are going to be eight new models by 2020. The names CT2, CT3, CT4, CT5, CT7, CT8, XT2, XT3, XT4, XT5, XT6, XT7, and XT8 have already been trademarked. Johan De Nysschen has a great plan for the future of Cadillac.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        How much are they paying you, shill Frank?

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          Corey with the BOOM!

          http://www.maxrev.de/files/2012/04/walk_like_a_boss.jpg

          (He MUST’VE been being sarcastic, though – I hope…)

        • 0 avatar
          mfrank

          I’m not being paid anything. What’s not to like about a 640 hp V8 and eight new models by 2020? I’m very impressed with the new CEO of Cadillac. Am I supposed to be lamenting the fact that there’s no future plans for a Fleetwood Brougham with wire wheels. Who really cares that they moved the headquarters to New York.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Welcome to TTAC, mfrank…where a 640 hp, leather-lined sedan that could probably lay waste to ANY car that you had a poster up on your wall of 25 years ago can be trashed because it’s a Cadillac. And bailout. And JDN. And HQ in New York. And Cimarron, 30 years ago.

            Anyone who doesn’t like this car pretty much needs a good head examination…or is trolling. Ah well.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            When all of these things are realities, we’ll talk.

            Until then, my bet’s on Alfa Romeo and their full line of autos and 500k sales/year within 5 years.

            :)

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            >>> Anyone who doesn’t like this car pretty much needs a good head examination…or is trolling. Ah well. <<<

            Maybe it's a great car, but it's kind of like Civet Coffee. I'm sure it's really great and I'd probably enjoy it, but it's tough getting past where it comes from.

      • 0 avatar
        VenomV12

        First of all he didn’t create sh*t because the cars coming out right now were done before he came to GM and regardless, other than the Escalade nothing else is selling well anyway. Until this car actually sells and sells well, it would be best to not prematurely call it a hit.

  • avatar
    cartunez

    Over 20K more than I paid for my load 2009 CTS V and the only boost is LED lights, CUE, and 90 more HP? GM what has happened to you?

  • avatar
    John R

    So…basically 10-11% off the basic M5.

    If the conversation for these two is starting at the thick end of $100k I’m not sure if a 10% discount is going to sway an individual who can swing that.

    The same may be true for the ATS-V…is a Vis the M3/4.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Well, if you know BMW, you the term “base M5” means the same thing as “base Porsche 911” – they’re both total unicorns. The only way you can get one is to order one that way. M5s routinely hit the lot with $10-$20,000 in tacked-on options.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        Don’t forget to mention that Porsche and BMW charge for options that come standard on cars that are less that half the base price. Why they are not excoriated for that is beyond me.

        • 0 avatar

          All the time. BMW. Heated seats require leather (?) for $1500 plus. Certain colors require certain packages.

          Price out a loaded Lexus or Infiniti. Equals the base BMW. Caddy should have given you the loaded car for the base car price, but they followed the BMW without the stardust.

          I won’t even go near Porsche. If you have to ask……

      • 0 avatar
        VenomV12

        BS, base M5s are plentiful. You will often see dealerships carry a base one and a pretty loaded one, the ones that sell a lot of them will carry up to 7 M5s at a time of various iterations.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          With the performance Germans it always seems like you have two choices: stripper (with metallic paint as the only option) or full-boat. The trick comes when you want the performance-enhancing options without all the others. I really like the outgoing Audi S4 but it doesn’t ever seem to come in the configuration I would want (Prestige Plus, sport diff, adaptive suspension, nothing else) without a special order.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    So predictions on the depreciation of V-series cars by the time they hit the CPO lot?

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    Why would you buy the Caddy? Just because it’s cheaper?

    A WRX is a cheaper vehicle.

    Or better still go out and buy a Nissan GTR.

    Bigger, mostest, more, larger, quicker, etc doesn’t necessarily translate into better.

    Upsizing at McDonalds makes the meal better I ask?? Crap will always be crap.

    Or for that kind of money you can buy a Silverado Station wagon with a Caddy emblem on it.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      That’s why Cadillac’s default will be to play the circa-2005 Hyundai model when they need to unclog massively excessive inventory from dealer lots (because dealers are complaining), and they’ll just pile pallet loads of cash of the hoods in ever increasing denominations and stacks.

      ATS sales down sequentially every month over last 30 months, pretty much, and down 40% or so year over year.

      CTS sales absolutely in the sh1tter. Down 58% year over year.

      Even the XRS is down 53% year over year (and it’s A CUV!)

      They shouldn’t have tried to out-BMW BMW, especially at a time when even BMW figured out hard core and harsh and loud doesn’t = volume in the U.S.

      I’m not kidding when I proclaim that having GM allocate 12 billion USD in new model platforms/vehicles (such as CT6) just for Cadillac (which sells 1 out every 20 vehicles GM sells, or 5% of the company’s total volume) could put the final nail in the coffin for Cadillac if things don’t go near perfectly (they won’t).

      12 billion on 5% of the volume Cadillac is generating, which is over 38% of GM’s total future outlay for R&D and new model development for all of its brands!

      • 0 avatar
        mfrank

        China is a land grab right now for auto Manufactures. Audi and BMW have staked their claim to a large part of the luxury market and are making obscene profits. Cadillac needs to develop a full model range to attract young luxury buyers and establish the Cadillac brand. GM’s CEO believes 12 billion in new products now will pay off in the future and it probably will. The readers of TTAC need to realize they have absolutely no say in how the company is run. Buick already sells well in China, Cadillac will in the future.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          Odd how Buick (and VW) have more cache than Cadillac in China, huh?

          And guess what? EVERY automaker (healthy ones like VAG and sick ones like GM) are banking on China sales to save their future sales projections, so it’s not like Cadillac will have any intense competition in China (from domestic Chinese nurtured former JV partners of foreign brands, no less).

          Good luck, Cadillac! Bet it all on red!

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            p.s. – It’s also not as if China’s economy (and consumption) isn’t dramatically slowing, either.

          • 0 avatar
            mfrank

            Cadillac, Buick, and GM are all doing very well in China. Why not bet on China? GM and it’s partners sold a record 3,539,970 cars in China in 2014, 12 percent more than 2013. It’s critical that the Cadillac brand be established now.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            @DeadWeight,
            The Chinese economy in real terms isn’t slowing. It’s growth is projected to be around 7% this year.

            I’d rather have 7% growth on a $10 trillion dollar economy than 9% growth on a $5 trillion dollar economy.

            Also, the Chinese are becoming more affluent. This is good internally in China. The Chinese can’t just rely on growth via exports at the expense of growth within.

            It also appears the Chinese are going down the path of QE as well.

            This will devalue the yuan generating more growth.

            Have a look at the growth in the Chinese markets, near vertical at the moment.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            If you believe China’s official GDP figures, I have a bridge in Macau I want to sell you.

            Look at metrics such as utility (especially electricity) usage, oil consumption, port activity, the Baltic Dry Index (which heavily depends on Chinese exported goods), and other hard to manipulate datum.

            It wouldn’t shock me if China’s either not even growing at anywhere near 3% in real terms, but not growing their GDP in real terms – period.

            Also, the rational people amongst us should not rule out the possibility that there may be difficult to repair structural problems within China’s economy that act to slow its growth in a far more dramatic way than bubblevision commenters would/could ever concede.

            I realize that those of you in Australia desperately hope that China continues to expand at what was its prior rate, as your natural resource heavy economy depends heavily on Chinese demand, but hope isn’t a good plan.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Love it…how many times have we heard “Cadillac shouldn’t be charging so much” on this site?

      If I had a buck for every time I heard it, I’d be taking my lady out for a nice fancy meal tonight.

      Cadillac ain’t gonna catch a break with the B&B. Oh well. I’m going to guess any of them would park this CTS-V in their driveway without so much as a peep of protest…and the ones that won’t, well, whatever.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        They’re going to have to do WAY better than $10,000 cheaper on a car they’re expecting to sticker for $80,000+ when they’re currently giving $14,000 off of leftover 2014 ATSs that sticker for 48k and $17,500 (even $20,000) off of CTSs they can’t dump (that sticker for 56k).

        They’ve given $22,000 off the current CTS V-Sport FFS!

  • avatar
    mfrank

    China’s a land grab right now for auto Manufactures. Audi and BMW have staked their claim to a large part of the luxury market and are making obscene profits. Cadillac needs to develop a full model range to attract young luxury buyers and establish the Cadillac brand. GM’s CEO believes 12 billion in new products now will pay off in the future and it probably will. The readers of TTAC need to realize they have absolutely no say in how the company is run. Buick already sells well in China, Cadillac will in the future.

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    VenomV12

    Meh, this car is another GM design disaster like the new Corvette, that hood is atrocious. Saw it at the auto show and didn’t like it. I saw an ATS-V coupe on the highway a couple of days ago and wasn’t very impressed with its looks either. I’d rather have an S6 or spend a little more and get the M5. That’s not to say it won’t find buyers, it will, I just personally don’t care for it, in fact the V-Sport is more appealing because you get more than enough performance, pay less money and don’t get that godawful boy racer styling.

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    I’d never buy a Cadillac yuck

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    VenomV12

    Made the mistake of wandering over to Autoblog and clicking on the CTS-V article to read the comments. Cadillac’s worst enemy are their fanboys, they do a better job of driving away potential buyers than any misstep Cadillac could ever make. No one wants to be associated with those people, not anyone buying near 6 figure cars. Loud, uncouth people that basically try to tell you that you are wrong and stupid if you don’t love Cadillac or anything American. Of course 90% of them can’t buy anything Cadillac either, new anyway. For a non-American, JdN does a pretty good job emulating their awful attitudes.

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    enzl

    The problem with this product (and most others coming from GM nowadays) is that this car was designed for a marketplace that existed years ago.

    Moneys spent on ATS/CTS and variations thereof should have been earmarked for CUVs…for Caddy, Chevy, Buick and GMC. That’s where the market is at and, more importantly, where its going. (The lack of vision at GM continues at New GM)

    BMW/MB sell lots of CUVs at incredible margins because of the historical success and marketing power of their traditional car lines – GM doesn’t have decades to attempt the same). I don’t understand how GM missed Lexus’ almost two decade run with the RX (proving you need no history to command crazy markup for little more than leather and an AWD system) or learned its own lesson with the Escalade (which was originally going to be a Denali product) and applied it to other areas.

    I love that the V-series exist, I just don’t see a business case for them.

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