Piston Slap: Lifespan of the Suburban Tranny?

by Sajeev Mehta

Updated: May 16th, 2014

piston slap lifespan of the suburban tranny

Duncan writes:Hi Sajeev,I have a question about a 4L60-E transmission in a 2001 Chevy Suburban K1500. The truck has 159k miles. The previous owner purchased the truck 7 years ago with 90k miles and hasn’t changed any fluids in that time other than oil – I don’t know anything about the truck’s early history. The transmission feels fine, but the fluid is dark and doesn’t smell great. The pan looks like a deep (vs shallow) pan and has a drain plug – my internet research leads me to believe these trucks came without a drain plug, but it’s a recommended upgrade – does this mean the transmission has been serviced at least once in its lifetime and the pan swapped with an aftermarket one, or did Chevy deliver some trucks with and some trucks without plugs?Onto the meat of the question – I’d like the transmission to last forever – what can I do to ensure that? Can I change the transmission filter and replace the Dexron III that I drain out of the pan with Dexron VI? Should I do another drain and fill soon after to increase the ratio of fresh fluid to old fluid? Will I do damage by drain, filter, Dexron VI? Are $50 electronic shift kits that program the transmission to be a little more aggressive worth anything for longevity/fuel economy on a transmission that already has so many miles?I won’t be driving the vehicle much, so I don’t want to go overboard on maintenance/upgrades, but it’s really a nice truck and I don’t want its life to be cut short by neglect.Thanks for the advice,DuncanSajeev answers:Not being an expert in Mr. Goodwrench related products, I poked around Rockauto.com to see what tranny pans are available for this rig. Sure enough, the cheapo part has no drain plug, but there are several alternatives that are deeper with a drain plug. Gotta love the aftermarket. YOU LOVE IT RIGHT NOW!!! (shakes fist)I say this as I put on my flame suit: this ‘burb either has a factory towing package that mandates a better oil pan ( possible) or its been serviced once before. And serviced quite well, considering it takes forethought to feel the need for an upgraded pan.Your question: what can you do to make a transmission last forever? Answer: Nothing. It will normally be the weakest link in a powertrain. I suspect more older vehicles wind up in the junkyard from a bad tranny (i.e. a $2000 repair on a $1000 car) than any other automotive malady.So what’s my advice to improve the life of the tranny? If you can electronically speed up the shifts for $50, do it. Slow shifting is the worst enemy to a transmission’s lifespan, and its never too late to fix that. Now about the fluid: go to Dextron VI if you believe GM’s recommendation. I believe in a fully synthetic fluid from any big name manufacturer that’s reverse compatable with Dextron III. Read the bottle’s label thoroughly and buy the brand you want…And finally, the $64,000 Question: change the fluid at this mileage or not? Who knows if the fluid’s been changed on a regular basis, but from your assessment, I suspect its been changed at least once. If so, another fluid service will extend the life of the tranny, not shorten it. Should you trust my suspicions? That’s a very expensive question that only YOU can answer.Good luck with that.Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry.

#4L60-E #Chevrolet #Chevy #Suburban #Transmission #Truck

Sajeev Mehta

More by Sajeev Mehta

Comments

Join the conversation

3 of 39 comments

Amx1972 on Nov 29, 2012

As to the fluid changes and getting all the old out, I had a friend that did it on his rig using 2 buckets, some trans cooler line and the truck running. He filled one bucket with fresh fluid and let the transmission pull that fluid in while pumping the old fluid into the other bucket. When he saw new fluid running into the old fluid bucket he called it good. Not sure if this is advised, but it was on a 62 series land Cruiser that is approaching half a million and he hasn't had any transmission issues. I wouldn't let the trans scare me. Change the fluid and set aside a little cash just in case...probably a good idea on any used car. If it does go this may be the most common RWD transmission on the road in the US and as was pointed out, service costs will be at the lower end of the spectrum.

Like Reply
Ian Anderson on Nov 29, 2012

It's a Chevy not a Chrysler/Dodge, change the fluid completely and do the filter etc. Put aside some money just in case, but it shouldn't be a lot since it's probably the most common RWD transmission in the country.

Like Reply
- Lawyer Applegate on Nov 29, 2012
  
  Thanks, Mr. Tull!
  
  Like

Recent Comments

Bruce Purchased (in 2024) a 1989 Camero RS. I wasn't looking for one but I picked it up for 1500. I wanted to only pay 800 but the fellow I bought it from had a real nice family and I could tell they loved each other. They needed the money and I had to give it to him. I felt my heart grow like the Grinch. Yes it has the little 2.8. But the write up does not represent this car. It has never been messed with, all original, a real time machine. I was very fond of these 3rd gen Cameros. It was very oxidized but straight, interior was dirty but all there. I just retired and I parked in my shop and looked at it for 5 months. I couldn't decide how to approach it now That I can afford to make of it what ever I want. Resto mod? Engine swap? No reason to expect any finacial return. Finally I started just doing little things. Buffed and polished the paint. Tune up, Fluids. I am still working it and have found a lot of joy in just restoring what I have just the way I found it just fixed and cleaned up. It's just a cool looking cruiser, fun to drive, fun to figure out. It is what it is. I am keeping it and the author of this critical write up completely misses the point. Mabey the point is what I make it. Nothing more and nothing less.
George Now that the Spark And Pretty Soon Gone is the Mirage I really wonder how are you going to get A low rental price when getting a loaner car for the week or more? Cars that are big as spark usually cost 5 to 10 dollars a day for use in a week rental agreement.Where as a SUV like a Equinox or a Rogue Midsize SUV would cost about 20 to 30 dollars for the same length of time of lease and since you’re getting more space leasing is going to be very expensive.
Mcs Tesla Full Self Driving will be working flawlessly about 10 years after fusion reactors are perfected. That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Akear American consumers have clearly stated they don't want neither rebadged Alfa Romeos or Fiats. The hornet is over stocked for nearly 400 days!
FreedMike I do tip my cap to Musk for at least talking about pushing the edge technologically. But I'm betting no on this question, at least for the near-term future. This vehicle requires two technologies - no-driver-control autonomous driving and inductive charging - that aren't nearly mature enough right now, and they can't be willed into maturity by Musk.