Piston Slap: The Cupped Tire Quandary

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

Mark in Upper Kentucky writes:

Sajeev,

Here’s a tire question for you to chew on: I just bought a new Mustang V6 (w/ the performance package), so I’ll soon put my ’07 Focus ST on the block. The car is in good shape mechanically and cosmetically, but I’ve got a bit of a tire issue. The Goodyear Eagle GT on the left rear has about 30k miles on it and is making a racket.

Close examination of the inside row of tread blocks revealed moderate tread cupping, so that’s the culprit behind the noise. I’d rather not put a new tire on a car I’ll sell in the next few weeks. Is tread cupping a safety issue? If it’s not a safety issue, is there any backwoods remedy I could try to limit the noise? The Eagle GTs are not directional, so I was thinking I might be able to swap the two rears. Any ideas?

Sajeev answers:

Tread cupping is a pretty minor problem; I have it on my Mark VIII. Between my job, my new home and every other rolling clusterbomb in the Mehta garage, the slight mis-alignment and slightly ruined summer tires are far from a problem…mostly since the car is still quiet on the highway. Then again, Magnaflow’s finest and Kooks Headers make road noise go away rather quickly with enough throttle application.

Here’s the part where I stop complaining about my cupped tires and answer your question.

You’re selling the car, so don’t bother doing anything. Swapping tires probably puts the road noise up front, so you might not see any change. This is truer on non-droning, hatchback-free, vehicles. Backwoods remedy? Go to a shop that builds/services race cars and ask them to borrow their tire tread shaving machine. Hey, I’ve seen dumber things!

Unlike Panther Love, my advice is conditional: if you sell it privately on Craigslist, openly disclose the problem and let the buyer see you are a trustworthy individual. If you trade it in for quick cash, who cares? You are dumping it (choosing time over money) and it becomes a problem for dealer’s scruples. Or lack thereof, but that’s a whole ‘nother problem.

Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com . Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry.

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  • Iced98lx Iced98lx on Mar 28, 2012

    Check tire pressures, then check springs and struts. If your'e selling it private market could make it way way easier to sell with it fxed vs disclosing it, especially in the age of google on every phone "Oh I see it probably needs new struts, that'll take $200 off the price, right??" you get the picture.

  • Rpn453 Rpn453 on Mar 29, 2012

    In my experience, cupping has been due to bad alignment and/or steering/suspension components with too much play. The cupped tire isn't a safety issue itself, but a worn-out or damaged suspension component could be. I've shaved the high points on a cupped tire using a palm sander and coarse sandpaper. It worked well. The noise was greatly reduced. That one was due to misalignment resulting from an impact that bent an inner tie-rod end.

  • Kwik_Shift_Pro4X Thankfully I don't have to deal with GDI issues in my Frontier. These cleaners should do well for me if I win.
  • Theflyersfan Serious answer time...Honda used to stand for excellence in auto engineering. Their first main claim to fame was the CVCC (we don't need a catalytic converter!) engine and it sent from there. Their suspensions, their VTEC engines, slick manual transmissions, even a stowing minivan seat, all theirs. But I think they've been coasting a bit lately. Yes, the Civic Type-R has a powerful small engine, but the Honda of old would have found a way to get more revs out of it and make it feel like an i-VTEC engine of old instead of any old turbo engine that can be found in a multitude of performance small cars. Their 1.5L turbo-4...well...have they ever figured out the oil dilution problems? Very un-Honda-like. Paint issues that still linger. Cheaper feeling interior trim. All things that fly in the face of what Honda once was. The only thing that they seem to have kept have been the sales staff that treat you with utter contempt for daring to walk into their inner sanctum and wanting a deal on something that isn't a bare-bones CR-V. So Honda, beat the rest of your Japanese and Korean rivals, and plug-in hybridize everything. If you want a relatively (in an engineering way) easy way to get ahead of the curve, raise the CAFE score, and have a major point to advertise, and be able to sell to those who can't plug in easily, sell them on something that will get, for example, 35% better mileage, plug in when you get a chance, and drives like a Honda. Bring back some of the engineering skills that Honda once stood for. And then start introducing a portfolio of EVs once people are more comfortable with the idea of plugging in. People seeing that they can easily use an EV for their daily errands with the gas engine never starting will eventually sell them on a future EV because that range anxiety will be lessened. The all EV leap is still a bridge too far, especially as recent sales numbers have shown. Baby steps. That's how you win people over.
  • Theflyersfan If this saves (or delays) an expensive carbon brushing off of the valves down the road, I'll take a case. I understand that can be a very expensive bit of scheduled maintenance.
  • Zipper69 A Mini should have 2 doors and 4 cylinders and tires the size of dinner plates.All else is puffery.
  • Theflyersfan Just in time for the weekend!!! Usual suspects A: All EVs are evil golf carts, spewing nothing but virtue signaling about saving the earth, all the while hacking the limbs off of small kids in Africa, money losing pits of despair that no buyer would ever need and anyone that buys one is a raging moron with no brains and the automakers who make them want to go bankrupt.(Source: all of the comments on every EV article here posted over the years)Usual suspects B: All EVs are powered by unicorns and lollypops with no pollution, drive like dreams, all drivers don't mind stopping for hours on end, eating trays of fast food at every rest stop waiting for charges, save the world by using no gas and batteries are friendly to everyone, bugs included. Everyone should torch their ICE cars now and buy a Tesla or Bolt post haste.(Source: all of the comments on every EV article here posted over the years)Or those in the middle: Maybe one of these days, when the charging infrastructure is better, or there are more options that don't cost as much, one will be considered as part of a rational decision based on driving needs, purchasing costs environmental impact, total cost of ownership, and ease of charging.(Source: many on this site who don't jump on TTAC the split second an EV article appears and lives to trash everyone who is a fan of EVs.)
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