Ask Bark Brief: Talk Me Out of the Lexus I Want

Mark "Bark M." Baruth
by Mark "Bark M." Baruth

Mike writes:

If you were shopping for a reliable, full featured, cheap to own, and generally “good” car, why would you not get a Lexus? I’ve been struggling with this question for the better part of a year now.

The problem: I need a car I’ll drive every single day in God-awful urban traffic. There’s little to no fun had behind the wheel in congestion. No using the sporting personality of whatever machine I’m operating. The only reasons I want a Lexus are for the comfort and peace of mind that come with one, along with working AC and a great stereo that’ll truly brings out the subtleties in Jad Abumrad’s diphthongs. Since I can’t afford nor really want a brand new car, I’ve been looking at used.

I’m really trying to decide why I shouldn’t just get a 2008-ish Lexus IS350 and call it a day. Maybe because I can’t decide between the IS and the GS, as if a bit more space and a few more features wouldn’t be a bad thing, right? (And the upgraded Mark Levinson system, of course.) Let’s set sights on the previous-generation Lexus GS350. (The LS is out of my price range, and I’m also not feeling that old just yet.)

I’ve read reviews of the mid-size RWD luxury cars when they were new. All the comparisons put the 5 Series, E-Class, A6, and even the XF ahead of the tarted up Toyota. But 10 years on, is steering feel worth more than “will never break” or “won’t cost you $200 for each labor hour when it does break because all cars eventually break”?

Talk me out of this. And don’t argue “it’s a boring old man’s car,” because I really don’t care. I’m friggin 41. I am an old man. Moreover, I estimate that of the 10 to 12 hours I spend in the car each week, 90 percent of it will be at an average speed below 20 mph, although there are often times the GS350’s 0-60 sprint capabilities would very much come in handy.

Besides, I have enough “not boring” with my project Alfa GTV6. Even when it’s broken, which is often, it’s exciting. So there.

I’ve come to bury the Lexus GS, not to praise it. You want me to talk you out of a GS? Pssshhh. No problem.

First things first. I’m the rillest. No, wait, sorry, where was I? Oh yes, the GS. The easiest way to talk you out of a GS or an IS is to realize that the Lexus you want is actually the LS.

All the things you say you want in a Lexus are available in exponentially higher quantities in the LS than in the GS. Comfortable ride in traffic? Check. More space? Chiggy check. Better stereo? Microphone checka, one-two-checka. And at this point, the price difference between the GS and LS is negligible. In fact, according to my last Cars.com search, LS models from ’06 and ’07 with low miles are well below $15,000.

You say you’re not that old? Pssshhh again. There are younger and hipper people than you driving LSes, and they’re being used for nearly exactly the same purpose you’ve described.

Besides, the GS is pretty much the definition of a poseur car. It’s not really the best at anything, is it? With the GS, Lexus tried to copy a 5 Series Bimmer and failed. With the LS, Lexus copied the S-Class and made a better mousetrap — at least when it comes to reliability. The LS has become an icon. The GS has become lot poison, destined to lose each and every comparison test between its origination and the end of time.

But you did say that you wanted that quick 0-60 time of the GS now and then, so there’s your reason to get it. Oh wait — no, it isn’t. The GS and LS are pretty much identical.

So, you’re wrong, you should choose a Lexus — but you should just choose a different one. Go LS shopping, and you’ll be glad you did.

Mark "Bark M." Baruth
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  • Jmhorrible Jmhorrible on Aug 17, 2016

    I love this topic. I'm in a similar situation. 30 miles each way in and out of Boston during rush hour Bought a 2011 fusion to be frugal but it's turned into a bit of a penalty box I was considering a new Accord, 4-Cyl, EX. I figure I can get one for $25k or so. But,... 2013 ES350's are going for similar money Adding a few years (2011 or so) puts the LS in the same range 2015 Genesis is on par w/ a 2013 LS (~35k) I've always liked the idea of a land yacht (LS) but the ES seems like the more intelligent choice.

    • Gtem Gtem on Aug 17, 2016

      Fiance's father bought a creampuff 32k mile '13 ES300h this summer. Nice enough car, it's basically what the Camry should be if they stayed on the same 'fat' trajectory of the 1990s. Having said that, some of the interior plastics, particularly the rear door cards, would never be seen even on a base model DX Camry from the early 90s. Drives stiffer than previous ES cars. On decent pavement it isn't a problem, but on bad roads it is noticeably less comfortable. Center joystick to control the Nav is an ergonomic abomination. I think overall it feels a lot less 'special' than something like the LS, but is certainly a bit step up from a regular modern Camry, and is very practical and economical to own in the long haul.

  • Lightspeed Lightspeed on Aug 17, 2016

    Love my GS400, but I think I’ll go LS430 in the next couple years. Don’t care that my GS isn’t the ‘best’ at anything, it’s the best for me. Plenty fast enough, plenty comfy enough, plenty reliable.

  • Lou_BC I've had my collision alert come on 2 times in 8 months. Once was when a pickup turned onto a side road with minimal notice. Another with a bus turning left and I was well clear in the outside lane but turn off was in a corner. I suspect the collision alert thought I was traveling in a straight line.I have the "emergency braking" part of the system turned off. I've had "lane keep assist" not recognize vehicles parked on the shoulder.That's the extent of my experience with "assists". I don't trust any of it.
  • SCE to AUX A lot has changed since I got my license in 1979, about 2 weeks after I turned 16 (on my second attempt). I would have benefited from formal driver training, and waiting another year to get my license. I was a road terror for several years - lots of accidents, near misses, speeding, showing off - the epitome of youthful indiscretion.
  • Lou_BC Jellybean F150 (1997-2004). People tend to prefer the more square body and blunt grill style.
  • SCE to AUX My first car was a 71 Pinto, 1.6 Kent engine, 4 spd. It was the original Base model with a trunk, #4332 ever built. I paid $125 for it in 1980, and had it a year. It remains the quietest idling engine I've ever had. 75HP, and I think the compression ratio was 8:1. It was riddled with rust, and I sold it to a classmate who took it to North Carolina.After a year with a 74 Fiat, I got a 76 Pinto, 2.3 engine, 4-spd. The engine was tractor rough, but I had the car 5 years with lots of rebuilding. It's the only car I parted with by driving into a junkyard.Finally, we got an 80 Bobcat for $1 from a friend in 1987. What a piece of junk. Besides the rust, it never ran right despite tons of work, fuel economy was terrible, the automatic killed the power. The hatch always leaked, and the vinyl seats were brutal in winter and summer.These cars were terrible by today's standards, but they never left me stranded. All were fitted with the poly blast shield, and I never worried about blowing up.The miserable Bobcat was traded for an 82 LTD, which was my last Ford when it was traded in 1996. Seeing how Ford is doing today, I won't be going back.
  • Jeff S I rented a PT Cruiser for a week and although I would not have bought one it was not as bad as I thought it would be. Pontiac Aztek was a good vehicle but ugly. Pinto for its time was not as good as the Japanese cars but it was not the worst that honor would go to the Vega. If one bought a Pinto new it was much better with a 4 speed manual with no air it didn't have the power for those. Add air and an automatic to a Pinto and you could beat it on a bicycle. The few small cars available today or in the recent past are so much better than the Pinto, Vega, and Gremlin. A Mitsubishi Mirage, Nissan Versa, and the former Chevy Spark are light years ahead of those small cars of the 70s.
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