Hammer Time: Kiametrics

Steven Lang
by Steven Lang

What is quality? Consumers believe they find it in a car that never breaks. Engineers look all the way to the parts level and see how long a given component actually lasts. Advertisers bullshit their way through it, and dealers don’t care so long as the car gets out of the lot before the wheels fall off. As a car guy, I look at how long someone owns a car and WHY they get rid of it. Case in point. I now have access to a database that will eventually cover over 200,000 trade-ins over the course of the year. As someone who has a keen interest in metrics, I’ve found that the current vehicle’s mileage and condition at trade-in time can tell me an awful lot about quality. The findings?

No surprise. ‘Quality’ brands will have a high number of trade-in’s with over 150,000 miles and bulletproof powertrains. To that level of achievement I find that the Toyonda combo and the Ford/Chevy truck platforms are the best of the breed. Subaru, Volvo (mostly defunct models), and old school Benzes are right up there as well. Best case in point? This week 37 Lexii were traded in. 17 out of those 37 were traded in with over 150,000 miles. Out of the 37 traded in, only one had a noticeable problem with it’s powertrain (transmission needed service). Over the year I will usually see Lexus hovering around the 30 percent to 40 percent level for over 150k and less than five percent of their trade-ins will have noticeable powertrain issues.

On the nadir of the scale are the usual suspects. You have Kia, Saab, Jaguar, Land Rover, Suzuki . . . and VW. Kia had absolutely none (as usual) out of 27 with over 150k, and six with severe powertrain issues. The next 4 brands only had one trade-in with over 150k (a pre-GM Saab). Then there’s VW. VW never fails to shock. Only five trade-ins out of 89 this week had over 150k. Fourteen of these VW’s had severe powertrain issues. This brings me to how most of the European brands perform against models that cost a fraction of the price.

Terrible. God awful. In fact, I’ve seen weeks where a single Japanese model can have more 150k+ trade-ins than the entire European continent, despite a fifth of the trade-in volume. This week it was the Toyota Camry with 32 (out of 84), Honda’s Accord had 24 (out of 74), BMW did extraordinarily well this week with 20 (out of 76). Mercedes was far behind with 11 out of 51 (the 1980s models saved them). Audi squeezed out 2 (out of 27). Land Rover, Jaguar, and Saab had 1 (out of 33). And Volvo was surprisingly low with 7 out of 50. All pre-Ford. That total would have likely doubled if their damned odometers didn’t always break.

The Americans? Mostly between 10 and 20 percent. Standouts usually include the Chevy Suburban (12 out of 22), Ford Explorer (22 out of 66), and absolutely nothing from Chrysler. Lincoln and Cadillac are usually on the lower side of the scale while the Mustangs (3 out of 39), and Dakotas (0 for 16) seem to never fail in bringing out the literal rear. Overall, I believe Barack and Co. could do worse by divining these stats in order to determine what needs saving, and what needs killin’.

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  • Anonymous Anonymous on Feb 28, 2009

    The Neon would wholesale for $200 to $400. An 11 year old cheap car with a buck 80? CarPerson, you ready to write a check for $1,500 for that beauty? Just wondering.

  • 2tonekia 2tonekia on Oct 28, 2009

    and that is my car there... it dont look like that anymore, with almost 200,000 thousand miles on it still strong, i have always do the oil change my self and do all the maintenance, timing belt, spark plugs, belts, everything, this car is a actually 2 times national winner at NOPI nationals car show in atlanta, with of course 30 something other trophys at the local car show, i love this car and have never gime a problem at all...

  • Corey Lewis For those who would enjoy some long-form Wagoneer video content, Vice Grip Garage has an installment on a 1967 model with an interesting combination: The Buick Dauntless V8 and a three-on-the-tree manual.Derek incorrectly cites in the video that the Dauntless arrived in 1968, it was actually 1966 ( Directory Index: Jeep/1966_Jeep/1966_Jeep_Wagoneer_Brochure). Likely he looked at the Wiki, which is incorrect. However, he is correct in saying the V8 would've been paired only to an automatic transmission. This three-speed manual Borg Warner with V8 was a hurried build with what was available, or some sort of special order at the time. What surprised me was the incredible smoothness of the ancient Buick V8.https://youtu.be/hXu4MS-IKsk?si=dVd-E8hHGtCiQW2Z
  • Slavuta --------- 1990 Honda Prelude -- 2026 Honda PreludeWeight 2,700 lbs -- 3,242 lbsEngine 2.0L inline-four, 135 hp -- 2.0L hybrid inline-four, 200 hpTorque 130 lb-ft -- 232 lb-ft0-60 mph 7.5 seconds --- 6.5 secondsQuarter Mile 15.4 seconds --- 15.3 seconds---Basically, with all the refinements, only marginal gain in performance. But I am sure that there is huge loss of feel.
  • Slavuta The whole point of a car like this is the manual transmission. Rest is history
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  • The Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla For $4000 more you can get the Civic Type-R which has 100 more HP, a legit manual transmission, and is much more practical for every day driving. They decided to make a less practical car with none of the benefits of being less practical. People don't buy sporty coupes for economy. They buy them for style and performance. Neutering this thing with less horsepower and less fun due to the omission of a proper manual is the dumbest move I've seen Honda ever do. They'll probably say they did it to not cannibalize type-R sales, but really, the two models would appeal to two different buyers if their specs were comparable. The Civic would appeal to the 30 something dads who want something practical but still fun. The Prelude would appeal to the 20 something single guys, as well as the 40 something empty nesters who no longer require the practicality and want something fun.Way to completely miss the mark Honda. What's next? Gonna reintroduce the S2000 as an EV using the Nissan Leaf powertrain?
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