The Truth About Cars http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com The Truth About Cars is dedicated to providing candid, unbiased automobile reviews and the latest in auto industry news. Mon, 08 Feb 2016 14:00:33 +0000 en-US hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.4 The Truth About Cars is dedicated to providing candid, unbiased automobile reviews and the latest in auto industry news. The Truth About Cars no The Truth About Cars editors@ttac.com editors@ttac.com (The Truth About Cars) 2006-2009 The Truth About Cars The Truth About Cars http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/themes/ttac-theme/images/logo.gif http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com Digestible Collectible: 1990 Eagle Talon TSi http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/digestible-collectible-1990-eagle-talon-tsi/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/digestible-collectible-1990-eagle-talon-tsi/#comments Mon, 08 Feb 2016 14:00:33 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1281994 For me, certain car brands evoke strong emotions. Nissan is certainly one that will always get the benefit of great memories, even if some of their current products are less than memorable. Conversely, I have reservations with Ford. As much as I enjoyed the Fusion I drove last month, the Focus I owned at the […]

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For me, certain car brands evoke strong emotions. Nissan is certainly one that will always get the benefit of great memories, even if some of their current products are less than memorable. Conversely, I have reservations with Ford. As much as I enjoyed the Fusion I drove last month, the Focus I owned at the […]

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Junkyard Find: 1984 Ford Escort Station Wagon http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/junkyard-find-1984-ford-escort-station-wagon/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/junkyard-find-1984-ford-escort-station-wagon/#comments Mon, 08 Feb 2016 13:00:59 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1280986 The first North American Ford Escort went on sale for the 1981 model year; it was related to its Mark III Escort European counterpart but was more of a cousin than a sibling. It wasn’t a great car, but was such an improvement over its miserable Pinto predecessor that it flew off the showroom floors […]

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The first North American Ford Escort went on sale for the 1981 model year; it was related to its Mark III Escort European counterpart but was more of a cousin than a sibling. It wasn’t a great car, but was such an improvement over its miserable Pinto predecessor that it flew off the showroom floors […]

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Feinberg: Volkswagen Will Offer ‘Generous Solution’ to U.S. Customers http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/feinberg-volkswagen-will-offer-generous-solution-to-u-s-customers/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/feinberg-volkswagen-will-offer-generous-solution-to-u-s-customers/#comments Sun, 07 Feb 2016 18:00:45 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1281826 Kenneth Feinberg, the man behind Volkswagen’s claims fund, stated American VW TDI customers should expect an offer that will make them very happy in an interview published this weekend. When asked by Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung (via Reuters) what he will offer the more than 500,000 Americans who own dirty diesels, he replied, “I can promise that there will be a […]

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Kenneth Feinberg, the man behind Volkswagen’s claims fund, stated American VW TDI customers should expect an offer that will make them very happy in an interview published this weekend. When asked by Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung (via Reuters) what he will offer the more than 500,000 Americans who own dirty diesels, he replied, “I can promise that there will be a […]

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VIDEO: Colorado Makes Driving Safer with 105 Millimeter Howitzer http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/video-colorado-makes-driving-safer-with-105-millimeter-howitzer/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/video-colorado-makes-driving-safer-with-105-millimeter-howitzer/#comments Sun, 07 Feb 2016 16:40:34 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1281794 No, the State of Colorado isn’t blowing up grandmas for doing 10 mph under the limit in the left lane. But the state’s Department of Transportation is keeping people safe by clearing avalanches with World War II artillery. Armed with a 105 mm howitzer — possibly an M101A1, though please feel free to correct us — […]

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No, the State of Colorado isn’t blowing up grandmas for doing 10 mph under the limit in the left lane. But the state’s Department of Transportation is keeping people safe by clearing avalanches with World War II artillery. Armed with a 105 mm howitzer — possibly an M101A1, though please feel free to correct us — […]

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Super Bowl 50 Commercial Round-up http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/super-bowl-50-commercial-round/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/super-bowl-50-commercial-round/#comments Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:30:53 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1281170 Like those who only read certain magazines for the articles, the Super Bowl brings millions of people together in front of TV screens to, ostensibly, watch a football game. Many will watch the event strictly for the commercials, which have become a cultural phenomenon in their own right. Others will watch for the halftime show, hoping for […]

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Like those who only read certain magazines for the articles, the Super Bowl brings millions of people together in front of TV screens to, ostensibly, watch a football game. Many will watch the event strictly for the commercials, which have become a cultural phenomenon in their own right. Others will watch for the halftime show, hoping for […]

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You Still Want to Buy a Volkswagen TDI? Sign Here http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/you-still-want-to-buy-a-volkswagen-tdi-sign-here/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/you-still-want-to-buy-a-volkswagen-tdi-sign-here/#comments Sat, 06 Feb 2016 15:00:43 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1281146 The fuel cost savings of a diesel vehicle can be huge for those who eat up highway miles. However, with Volkswagen’s voluntary stop sale of those vehicles implicated in the diesel emissions scandal, you may think you can’t buy one from a Volkswagen dealer. You’d be wrong. According to a source who spoke to TTAC […]

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The fuel cost savings of a diesel vehicle can be huge for those who eat up highway miles. However, with Volkswagen’s voluntary stop sale of those vehicles implicated in the diesel emissions scandal, you may think you can’t buy one from a Volkswagen dealer. You’d be wrong. According to a source who spoke to TTAC […]

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Volkswagen is Buying Back Dirty Diesels, But Not From Owners http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/volkswagen-is-buying-back-dirty-diesels-but-not-from-owners/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/volkswagen-is-buying-back-dirty-diesels-but-not-from-owners/#comments Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:00:23 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1280226 Volkswagen Group of America has begun the process of buying back cars affected by the ongoing diesel emissions scandal, but you shouldn’t expect to receive a letter or phone call with a buyback offer anytime soon. VW is going ahead with a buyback program that will see the automaker acquire affected vehicles from dealers’ certified pre-owned (CPO) inventories, a source familiar […]

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Volkswagen Group of America has begun the process of buying back cars affected by the ongoing diesel emissions scandal, but you shouldn’t expect to receive a letter or phone call with a buyback offer anytime soon. VW is going ahead with a buyback program that will see the automaker acquire affected vehicles from dealers’ certified pre-owned (CPO) inventories, a source familiar […]

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Top Gear, Ruined http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/top-gear-ruined/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/top-gear-ruined/#comments Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:20:57 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1280170 If there was any doubt surrounding the future certain failure of Top Gear, it was put to rest today. Eddie Jordan — famous for running a Formula 1 team into the ground, being the Irish orange yin to David Coulthard’s pasty, Scottish yang during BBC Formula 1 coverage, and for making Bernie Ecclestone look like a normal-sized human being […]

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If there was any doubt surrounding the future certain failure of Top Gear, it was put to rest today. Eddie Jordan — famous for running a Formula 1 team into the ground, being the Irish orange yin to David Coulthard’s pasty, Scottish yang during BBC Formula 1 coverage, and for making Bernie Ecclestone look like a normal-sized human being […]

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Lemon or Lemonade?: A Visit to Yokosuka’s Vehicle Resale Lot http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/lemon-lemonade-visit-yokosukas-vehicle-resale-lot/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/lemon-lemonade-visit-yokosukas-vehicle-resale-lot/#comments Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:35:02 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1279890 I had the opportunity this week to visit United States Fleet Activities Yokosuka, a U.S. Navy base in Yokosuka, Japan originally established in 1866 by the Japanese Imperial Navy. The facilities are currently used to support and repair U.S. naval vessels assigned to the Western Pacific. On the day of my visit, there was a lot of […]

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I had the opportunity this week to visit United States Fleet Activities Yokosuka, a U.S. Navy base in Yokosuka, Japan originally established in 1866 by the Japanese Imperial Navy. The facilities are currently used to support and repair U.S. naval vessels assigned to the Western Pacific. On the day of my visit, there was a lot of […]

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2016 Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro Review – Take Two! http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/2016-toyota-4runner-trd-pro-review-take-two/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/2016-toyota-4runner-trd-pro-review-take-two/#comments Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:50:33 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1279802 Since the introduction of its fifth generation, the Toyota 4Runner has been sold in three flavors: the base SR5, the loaded Limited, and the off-road focused Trail. But Toyota has a history of making small batches of special edition models and, for 2015, the carmaker showed off the Trail-based TRD Pro. The TRD Pro featured unique suspension […]

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Since the introduction of its fifth generation, the Toyota 4Runner has been sold in three flavors: the base SR5, the loaded Limited, and the off-road focused Trail. But Toyota has a history of making small batches of special edition models and, for 2015, the carmaker showed off the Trail-based TRD Pro. The TRD Pro featured unique suspension […]

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Digestible Collectible: 1997 Honda Prelude SH http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/digestible-collectible-1997-honda-prelude-sh/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/digestible-collectible-1997-honda-prelude-sh/#comments Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:00:38 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1279778 It’s time for everybody’s favorite parlor game, “Remember When?” where the good old days are magnified and revered. Today’s subject: Remember when Honda made fun, affordable cars? Nowadays, the Civic Si all the H-brand has to offer, though the Type R might restore some mojo. Back in the day, one could buy a CRX, a […]

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It’s time for everybody’s favorite parlor game, “Remember When?” where the good old days are magnified and revered. Today’s subject: Remember when Honda made fun, affordable cars? Nowadays, the Civic Si all the H-brand has to offer, though the Type R might restore some mojo. Back in the day, one could buy a CRX, a […]

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Junkyard Find: 1987 Hyundai Excel with Not-Rare-Enough Zero-Options Package http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/junkyard-find-1987-hyundai-excel-not-rare-enough-zero-options-package/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/junkyard-find-1987-hyundai-excel-not-rare-enough-zero-options-package/#comments Fri, 05 Feb 2016 13:21:04 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1279530 I can’t think of any vehicle manufacturer whose products improved as much and as quickly as Hyundai’s did between the ghastly first-gen Excel and the very nice Hyundais of, say, the current century. The only new US-market car that was cheaper than the first Excel was the Yugo GV (which was, arguably, the better car), […]

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I can’t think of any vehicle manufacturer whose products improved as much and as quickly as Hyundai’s did between the ghastly first-gen Excel and the very nice Hyundais of, say, the current century. The only new US-market car that was cheaper than the first Excel was the Yugo GV (which was, arguably, the better car), […]

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I Sold a Scion Once http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/i-sold-a-scion-once/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/i-sold-a-scion-once/#comments Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:30:15 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1278850 Being a car flipper, tuner and technician that falls within the millennial age group should make me an ideal candidate for various Scions. Yet, when I attempted to jog my memory yesterday, I could think of only a a few I’ve touched with my own two hands. In fact, I’ve only flipped a single vehicle from Toyota’s youth brand: a repossessed xB […]

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Being a car flipper, tuner and technician that falls within the millennial age group should make me an ideal candidate for various Scions. Yet, when I attempted to jog my memory yesterday, I could think of only a a few I’ve touched with my own two hands. In fact, I’ve only flipped a single vehicle from Toyota’s youth brand: a repossessed xB […]

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Chrysler 200 Sales In Freefall, No Wonder Sergio Shut Down Production http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/chrysler-200-sales-freefall-no-wonder-sergio-shut-production/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/chrysler-200-sales-freefall-no-wonder-sergio-shut-production/#comments Thu, 04 Feb 2016 17:40:29 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1278418 News that 200 production would instantly end, albeit temporarily, was overshadowed by news that Fiat Chrysler Automobiles would, sooner than later, farm out the design and production of their small and intermediate cars to a rival automaker. The Chrysler 200’s plant in Sterling, Michigan will undergo a six-week shutdown due to an inventory glut at […]

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News that 200 production would instantly end, albeit temporarily, was overshadowed by news that Fiat Chrysler Automobiles would, sooner than later, farm out the design and production of their small and intermediate cars to a rival automaker. The Chrysler 200’s plant in Sterling, Michigan will undergo a six-week shutdown due to an inventory glut at […]

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Ask Bark: Growing a Family While Trying To Shrink Bills http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/ask-bark-growing-family-trying-shrink-bills/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/ask-bark-growing-family-trying-shrink-bills/#comments Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:30:35 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1279394 Ben writes: Hi Bark, I am currently in my second year of a 3 1/2 year lease on a 2015 Mazda3 GT — which is probably the most engaging, convenient and efficient vehicle I’ve ever owned. Everything they say about Mazda nailing the driving dynamics is spot on. I wasn’t married prior to leasing the vehicle, nor did I […]

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Ben writes: Hi Bark, I am currently in my second year of a 3 1/2 year lease on a 2015 Mazda3 GT — which is probably the most engaging, convenient and efficient vehicle I’ve ever owned. Everything they say about Mazda nailing the driving dynamics is spot on. I wasn’t married prior to leasing the vehicle, nor did I […]

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2016 Nissan Maxima SR Review – The Impurist’s Sports Sedan http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/2016-nissan-maxima-sr-review-impurists-sports-sedan/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/2016-nissan-maxima-sr-review-impurists-sports-sedan/#comments Thu, 04 Feb 2016 15:06:50 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1275177 Like cockroaches scattering in the light, Americans are fleeing sedans for the upright comfort and wagon-like space of crossovers. The full-size sedan segment has recently been hit hard, Maxima included. Since 2012, the auto market has expanded 20 percent, while full-size sedan sales have contracted 14 percent. Based on an aging design and the entrance […]

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Like cockroaches scattering in the light, Americans are fleeing sedans for the upright comfort and wagon-like space of crossovers. The full-size sedan segment has recently been hit hard, Maxima included. Since 2012, the auto market has expanded 20 percent, while full-size sedan sales have contracted 14 percent. Based on an aging design and the entrance […]

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Piston Slap: The Truth About Throwaway Motors (Part III) http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/piston-slap-truth-throwaway-motors-part-iii/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/piston-slap-truth-throwaway-motors-part-iii/#comments Thu, 04 Feb 2016 13:00:51 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1160794 Kenneth writes: Which cars and trucks that have throwaway motors? I was one payment from finishing my debt on a 2006 Chrysler PT Cruiser and my timing belt came off. Immediately, my valves were destroyed. I would not want to buy another engine like that. I am now $20,000 in debt buying another car. (Toyota Corolla) Thanks […]

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Kenneth writes: Which cars and trucks that have throwaway motors? I was one payment from finishing my debt on a 2006 Chrysler PT Cruiser and my timing belt came off. Immediately, my valves were destroyed. I would not want to buy another engine like that. I am now $20,000 in debt buying another car. (Toyota Corolla) Thanks […]

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Matt LeBlanc to Host Top Gear http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/matt-leblanc-to-host-top-gear/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/matt-leblanc-to-host-top-gear/#comments Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:50:43 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1279418 Former “Friends” star and current “Episodes” main character Matt LeBlanc will be heading to the BBC to co-host Top Gear with Chris Evans, Top Gear announced Thursday. The news comes just before Evans, who’s experienced numerous setbacks with taping the new series, is set to headline BBC Worldwide’s annual showcase where he’ll be expected to sell the […]

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Former “Friends” star and current “Episodes” main character Matt LeBlanc will be heading to the BBC to co-host Top Gear with Chris Evans, Top Gear announced Thursday. The news comes just before Evans, who’s experienced numerous setbacks with taping the new series, is set to headline BBC Worldwide’s annual showcase where he’ll be expected to sell the […]

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Dodge Recalls Jack-off Chargers http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/dodge-recalls-jack-off-chargers/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/dodge-recalls-jack-off-chargers/#comments Wed, 03 Feb 2016 21:00:48 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1278954 More than half a million 2011 through 2016 Dodge Chargers are being recalled because they can’t stay up. Jack points on the Chargers may become deformed, causing the cars to slip off their jacks when owners are changing a flat. Three minor injuries have been attributed to the issue, said Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. One minor headline joke […]

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More than half a million 2011 through 2016 Dodge Chargers are being recalled because they can’t stay up. Jack points on the Chargers may become deformed, causing the cars to slip off their jacks when owners are changing a flat. Three minor injuries have been attributed to the issue, said Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. One minor headline joke […]

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Why I Race a Crapcan Buick Regal http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/race-crapcan-buick-regal/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/race-crapcan-buick-regal/#comments Wed, 03 Feb 2016 19:00:03 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1273977 Mark recently asked me a question: “Why do you race a Buick?” No one has ever asked me that directly. Frankly, I didn’t have a specific answer. My team and I were simply playing by the strict-ish-ly simple 24 Hours of Lemons rule: “Vehicles must be acquired and prepared for a maximum of $500.” The rest is history […]

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Mark recently asked me a question: “Why do you race a Buick?” No one has ever asked me that directly. Frankly, I didn’t have a specific answer. My team and I were simply playing by the strict-ish-ly simple 24 Hours of Lemons rule: “Vehicles must be acquired and prepared for a maximum of $500.” The rest is history […]

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I Bought a Scion Once http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/i-bought-a-scion-once/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/i-bought-a-scion-once/#comments Wed, 03 Feb 2016 18:00:41 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1278722 “Sir, I don’t think you understand how our pricing model works.” It was the winter of 2004, and a sad-sack of a salesman sat at the desk across from Mrs. Bark and me at a morbidly depressing Toyota-Scion dealership near Dayton, Ohio. My dear wife was the less-than-proud owner of a 2001 Hyundai Elantra that […]

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“Sir, I don’t think you understand how our pricing model works.” It was the winter of 2004, and a sad-sack of a salesman sat at the desk across from Mrs. Bark and me at a morbidly depressing Toyota-Scion dealership near Dayton, Ohio. My dear wife was the less-than-proud owner of a 2001 Hyundai Elantra that […]

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No Fixed Abode: Barack Obama, Scion Killer http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/no-fixed-abode-barack-obama-scion-killer/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/no-fixed-abode-barack-obama-scion-killer/#comments Wed, 03 Feb 2016 17:00:35 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1278730 One coupe flies, two coupes die. By the time that Akio Toyoda was standing on that Detroit stage crowing about the triumph of the LC500, the nails were already being hammered into Scion’s coffin. The Scion tC, perhaps the best combination of practicality, style, and durability available for under twenty-five grand in the United States, […]

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One coupe flies, two coupes die. By the time that Akio Toyoda was standing on that Detroit stage crowing about the triumph of the LC500, the nails were already being hammered into Scion’s coffin. The Scion tC, perhaps the best combination of practicality, style, and durability available for under twenty-five grand in the United States, […]

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Scion Monospec Strategy Continuing for 2017, Trims May Arrive for 2018 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/scion-monoprice-strategy-continuing-for-2017-trims-may-arrive-for-2018/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/scion-monoprice-strategy-continuing-for-2017-trims-may-arrive-for-2018/#comments Wed, 03 Feb 2016 16:32:23 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1278746 Beyond the funky metal, there’s one element that set Scion apart from its Toyota mothership: monospec pricing. By offering up only a single trim for each models and reducing options to paint colors, transmissions and accessories, Scion was able to market its vehicles to a different audience and offer a no-haggle sales approach. For the […]

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Beyond the funky metal, there’s one element that set Scion apart from its Toyota mothership: monospec pricing. By offering up only a single trim for each models and reducing options to paint colors, transmissions and accessories, Scion was able to market its vehicles to a different audience and offer a no-haggle sales approach. For the […]

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Crapwagon Outtake: 1991 Oldsmobile 442 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/crapwagon-outtake-1991-oldsmobile-442/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/crapwagon-outtake-1991-oldsmobile-442/#comments Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:30:57 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1278354 I love road racing. I grew up about an hour away from the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course and spent many summer weekends wandering the grounds while soaking in the sounds and smells unique to the track. I’m pretty sure my first race was the Lumbermens Six Hours IMSA race in 1983, won by my local hero […]

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I love road racing. I grew up about an hour away from the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course and spent many summer weekends wandering the grounds while soaking in the sounds and smells unique to the track. I’m pretty sure my first race was the Lumbermens Six Hours IMSA race in 1983, won by my local hero […]

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OFFICIAL: Scion Is Dead, Will ‘Transition to Toyota’ for 2017 Model Year http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/official-scion-is-dead-will-transition-to-toyota/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/02/official-scion-is-dead-will-transition-to-toyota/#comments Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:36:35 +0000 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1278610 Toyota officially announced Wednesday morning that Scion will “transition to Toyota,” effectively killing off the youth brand started in 2002. Its first vehicles went on sale in California in 2003, and included the xA hatchback and xB wagon. According to a release from Toyota, Scion “is now transitioning back to the Toyota brand” and most Scion […]

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Toyota officially announced Wednesday morning that Scion will “transition to Toyota,” effectively killing off the youth brand started in 2002. Its first vehicles went on sale in California in 2003, and included the xA hatchback and xB wagon. According to a release from Toyota, Scion “is now transitioning back to the Toyota brand” and most Scion […]

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