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01-28-2014 12:49 PM
JMII SexCpotatoes said Are stainless steel brake hoses really an upgrade? Long term? Not sure. The hoses are teflon with stainless steel braid wrap, seems like a strong / solid design worthy of years of services. Short term? Oh yeah - they really improved my pedal feel and thus braking confidence. Had a good time over the weekend in Homestead, well until the syncros in 3rd gear gave up (common problem with first year 350Zs). The group I ran with allowed people to "share" for only $100 more. They also allowed ride-a-longs for free I think. I only know the sharing thing for sure because a couple in the garage next to us was doing that exactly that. I hear ya on the random failure thing, someone lost their motor at our event and put oil onto the track, the next car thru immediate spun off. Thankfully this occurred in area with plenty of run off space (wide open grass). Both me and my brother had minor "offs" (2 wheels kicking up dirt) due to apexing a difficult corner incorrectly. I saw two other cars do some quick spins but avoided hitting any solid objects. Bad things can (and thus DO) happen.
01-24-2014 08:48 PM
SexCpotatoes Are stainless steel brake hoses really an upgrade? A guy at Grandmarq.net once made the very good point that when SS lines get old or start to fail they will collapse internally and they are nowhere near as easy to visually inspect as the rubber hoses .
01-24-2014 10:49 AM
rileyru The Mustang was actually the wife's daily driver for 5 years!¬*She just got an 08 4runner but loved the Mustang too much to even consider selling it, so I got her to agree that if we kept it as a third vehicle, we had to at least autocross it- if not take it to VIR. She¬*is definitely interested in HPDE (especially since I am going) but it does sound like sharing would work better at an autocross.

The insurance discussion came up when we Googled "TrackDAZE VIR" and the first video was of¬*a Civic suddenly and randomly spinning and slamming a wall.¬*Driver was OK-¬*but the car looked done. It wasn't driver error or anything, the caption of the video said engine oil blew out all over the rear tires and that was it. My wife wants to know "her" car would be fixed/replaced if something like that happened. The HPDE¬*damage¬*insurance for the Mustang would only be about $100 so it might be worth it if bad luck did strike. I assume if the car was damaged they would pay most, or if¬*totaled they would pay out the "agreed value" minus some sort of deductible...
01-24-2014 08:24 AM
JMII rileyru said Have a few questions: 1. If my wife wants to sign up as well, is it possible for us to "share" the car (one of us in the car while one is in class, or both of us¬*in class and then take turns on the track) - or are all the beginners on the¬*track and in class at the same time? 2. Any experience with the HPDE event insurance? Seems like a reasonable cost. Does it have good coverage, does it pay out when needed, is it even recommended? How does it work. 3. Any helmet recommendations? Try to borrow/rent, or go ahead and buy? Does a $200 helmet offer the same protection as an $800 helmet? Given the fact that I've done ONE event my advice isn't worth much, but I'll throw it out anyway. 1) Awesome that your wife wants to go! I would ask the organizers. At my event they split people into 3 groups based on experience, thus all the beginners were on track at once. So to share a car you would each get half the number of sessions. The real question: is the entry fee per car or per person? 2) I haven't looked into insurance, while collecting a wall is possible they do everything to ensure the worst case is nothing more then spin in the grass/gravel. As you advance and get to run solo (no instructor) then maybe insurance becomes an issue. 3) For my first event I was able to borrow a helmet from my instructor and rentals were available. Since I plan on doing this several more times I just bought one. Seemed like a small price to pay to not put someone's sweat on my head. A buddy of mine is motorcycle dude with three bikes, goes on organized rides, etc, etc. He told me to get an HJC from http://www.motorcyclegear.com/ for $75. Sure its not an $800 Aria but it is SNELL and DOT certified. Thus its "safe enough"... whatever that means. Honestly I think its more of CYA for the organization. Do you drive with a helmet everyday? No, you've got airbags. How much faster will you be going at HPDE? My top speed was only 100 MPH due to track layout. I drive 80 on the highway surrounded by total idiots, driving complete rust buckets on bald tires, while texting their crack dealer and sucking down Red Bulls. So "safe" is a relative term.
01-24-2014 05:27 AM
rileyru Ringer, yes I am now planning on TrackDaze because of the TTAC presence and they seem pretty equal otherwise. Looking forward to meeting you and having Jack as an instructor.



I don't plan¬*on going crazy with "upgrades" -¬*since it needs brake pads anyway I'm just taking advice above and changing fluid, and¬*may as well change the lines at that time.¬*Don't plan anything else. The car is good for an 06, only has 50k miles. The dealer does oil changes, and¬*I do everything else they recommend (well except for fuel induction system service- that appears to be b/s!) I've done the power steering fluid service, new fuel filter, changed and upgraded the transmission fluid, etc. Car drives great!



I know I will be the weak link more so than any part of the car! As far as the "general tips" above, I think maybe some of my bicycle racing experience may be relevant as far as picking a good line / apexing a turn, braking before the turn, watching for faster riders and staying out of their way / allowing them to pass, how to change a corner line if needed due to traffic, etc... However I am fully aware that I have little to no experience of handling a car on track,¬*feeling for the tire grip, rules of track¬*and flags,¬*and all that. That's why I need the beginner HPDE!



Have a few questions:



1. If my wife wants to sign up as well, is it possible for us to "share" the car (one of us in the car while one is in class, or both of us¬*in class and then take turns on the track) - or are all the beginners on the¬*track and in class at the same time?



2. Any experience with the HPDE event insurance? Seems like a reasonable cost. Does it have good coverage, does it pay out when needed, is it even recommended? How does it work.



3. Any helmet recommendations? Try to borrow/rent, or go ahead and buy? Does a $200 helmet offer the same protection as an $800 helmet?
01-23-2014 11:36 PM
Ringer rileyru said Jack, I looked up TrackDaze and they have an event a few months later on May 31st that may work in my schedule. Looks like the same setup (4 each 30 min track sessions with classroom instruction in between on each day). Sounds great! Gives me some more time to make sure the car is ready too. It needs brake pads so I might go ahead and upgrade the pads, rotors, lines and fluid. I'm planning on attending that TrackDaze event as well, so hopefully I'll see you there. THSCC runs a good event too, though, for what it's worth.
01-23-2014 01:47 PM
JMII rileyru said It needs brake pads so I might go ahead and upgrade the pads, rotors, lines and fluid. Yep stainless steel brake hoses are an easy and (relatively) cheap upgrade. I just did mine - and the pedal is very firm, hopefully the new fluid will keep it that way throughout my sessions this weekend. Having a Mustang I'm sure you've got plenty of forums to dig up advice on what others recommend as good upgrades. Don't go crazy, its mostly about learning and feeling things out. Having the "best" anything does help until you learn the track and how to drive it. Gotta say to Jack and the other instructors - talk about balls of steel. To get into someone else's car, which appears to be working (mostly) and who may (or may not) think he is "The Stig" is completely nuts. I found it entertaining when my instructor told me to driver faster! I was lifting out of pure fear. The weak link is clearly the nut behind the wheel. The most refreshing part was the mutual respect I saw. Everyone was nice and friendly (minus one azz hat in a red Audi... but there is always one right?). I was running with guys owning cars that cost as much as my house (there was a Mclaren on track) and they were not jerks at all.
01-23-2014 01:39 PM
rileyru Jack Baruth said If you choose TrackDAZE, ahem, request me as an instructor Sounds like a plan!
01-23-2014 11:34 AM
Jack Baruth If you choose TrackDAZE, ahem, request me as an instructor
01-23-2014 01:54 AM
rileyru JM, thanks! There are a few great points in your post.



Jack, I looked up TrackDaze and they have an event a few months later on May 31st that may work in my schedule. Looks like the same setup (4 each 30 min track sessions with classroom instruction in between on each day). Sounds great! Gives me some more time to make sure the car is ready too. It needs brake pads so I might go ahead and upgrade the pads, rotors, lines and fluid.
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