By on May 10, 2022

The automotive sector is currently suffering from ongoing component shortages and supply chain bottlenecks stemming from regional restrictions relating to the pandemic. However, it’s assumed that those problems will gradually abate, only to be supplanted by a global deficit of the raw materials necessary for battery production. Analysts have been warning about the shift toward electric vehicles, spurred on by government regulations, for years. But they’re starting to get some company from within the auto industry.

On Tuesday, Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares suggested that there was a very real possibility that manufacturers could begin confronting serious issues in terms of battery production by 2025 if the shift toward EVs continues at pace. Though his concerns aren’t limited to there being a new chapter in the already too long saga about parts shortages. Tavares is also worried that Western automakers will become overwhelmingly dependent upon Asian battery suppliers which already dominate the global market. 

“And if there is no short supply of batteries then there will be a significant dependence of the Western world vis-à-vis Asia. That is something we can easily anticipate,” the CEO said during the Financial Times Future of the Car 2022 conference.

Based on the mad rush to invest in the procurement of the necessary raw materials over the last few years, the rest of the industry couldn’t possibly be unaware of this potential scenario. But some may be better positioned since Fiat Chrysler Automobiles repeatedly snubbed electrification while corporate leadership focused on securing a merger. Now that FCA has combined with PSA Group to become Stellantis, the entity is realigned its priorities to include more of what everyone else is doing.

The company has said it intends on selling sell 5 million all-electric vehicles by 2030 to cater to gasoline bans that are planned for Europe. This comes in tandem with its announcement of battery plants in France, Germany, and Italy to support EV production in the EU. While the industry believes North America will take longer to electrify, Stellantis is planning a battery facility in Ontario, confirmed that Dodge is presently working on electrified muscle cars, and promised that there is at least some level of EV-ification taking place within every other brand it currently owns. Despite this, Tavares seems to believe that government regulators may be steering the industry toward disaster.

“The speed at which now everybody is building manufacturing capacity for batteries is possibly on the edge to be able to support the fast-changing markets in which we are operating,” he said, adding that the emphasis on a swift transition toward EVs could have loads of unforeseen consequences by 2025.

In addition to making Western markets increasingly beholden to Asian manufacturing, Tavares also questioned the ecological benefits of rushing headlong into battery-driven vehicles. Mining operations are not the same in all countries and often come bundled with the risk of using child labor, slave labor, and/or less-than-stringent environmental considerations. Sadly, the bar for what’s deemed acceptable will only be lowered as demand for electrified products increases.

“That means a lot of raw material extraction, that means eventually scarcity of raw materials, that means eventually geopolitical risks,” the CEO said. “We may not like the way those raw materials are going to be sourced in a few years.”

These are issues your author has been similarly vexed about since 2015. But Tavares eventually strayed from the usual talking points of electrification skeptics to examine how this might negatively impact the industry’s finances. By focusing so heavily on advancing new technologies in an effort to surge battery-electric vehicles on the global market, Stellantis’ leadership is worried the industry is putting itself out on a limb that could snap.

Tavares painted a picture where supply chains haven’t fully recovered and the automotive sector now has to cope with limited battery production in Asia. While 2025 was originally supposed to be the year EVs reached financial parity with combustion cars, the suggested scenario would guarantee the former remained substantially more expensive. But vehicle prices would remain high across the board, making it difficult for any company to operate normally in the years to come — regardless of whether they were selling electric or gas-powered products.

Stellantis’ top dog likewise voiced concerns about what would happen to the countless engineers specializing in internal combustion engines if every automaker swaps exclusively to electric cars. Your author would argue this problem extends to independent repair shops and parts retailers, though Tavares focused mainly on those working directly for automakers during his speech.

“We see that some companies would like to go on Old Co., New Co. kind of break down. Our position is quite different from that,” he explained. “For the people who have been creating wealth and value over the last fifty years, for the communities in which we operate, for our own company, it is not ethical to wake up in the morning and discover that you are on the wrong side of the line.”

“It’s important to tell them that we want to bring them along with us because we believe in their learning capabilities,” the CEO continued. “The most important thing is to tell them that we love them. We want to bring them along with us.”

That little bit of backpedaling was fairly common among the conference’s speakers. Numerous CEOs, including Volkswagen AG’s Herbert Diess, made statements about how the existing regulatory targets were untenable — only to double down on their companies’ growing commitment toward battery electric vehicles still being the correct choice. At this point, they almost have to. Collectively, the automotive sector spent an estimated $230 billion on capital expenditures, research, and development pertaining to EVs in 2020. Another $550 billion has been plotted between now and 2030. Automakers have also been planning to introduce new revenue streams that rely heavily on electrification and vehicle connectivity. The ramifications of failing with EVs now would be nothing short of catastrophic — and may explain why top-ranking executives have started hinting that it might be wise to slow things down before it’s too late.

Despite gaining an early lead on electrification due to Dieselgate, Volkswagen Group had trouble building truly competitive EVs until somewhat recently. Major shifts in production also resulted in work stoppages stemming from widespread component shortages (which curiously didn’t seem to impact Tesla all that seriously) and problems with quality control. But that’s not what the business feels is its greatest obstacle. Diess stressed that the number of charging stations planned for Europe probably wouldn’t be sufficient to support 100-percent EV sales by 2030. Tavares seemed to be in agreement, noting that it was just one problem of many attached to the overarching electrification scheme.

“What’s next? Where is the clean energy? Where is the charging infrastructure? Where are the raw materials? Where are the geopolitical risks of sourcing those raw materials? Who is looking at the full picture of this transformation?” he asked the audience.

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60 Comments on “Stellantis CEO Says EV Transition Poses Serious Problems...”


  • avatar
    FreedMike

    “Stellantis CEO Says EV Transition Poses Serious Problems”

    A fair statement from the guy who heads the company that dragged its’ feet on said transition, particularly in the U.S.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Yeah, well – too bad. Tesla planned for all this starting from its inception in 2003.

    I’ve said here for years that the next EV is nothing without a plan for how to source its batteries. So much for the “Tesla killer” EVs everyone thinks will materialize from thin air.

    It takes money, time, and willpower to compete in the EV space, and very few companies have all three.

    • 0 avatar
      deanst

      Tesla also claimed to “plan” for a $35,000 vehicle. What is their cheapest model now – about $50,000?

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        Weird isn’t it? It’s almost like Tesla lied. Similar to Ford and their $39k F150 Mach e. Sure it exists. But as soon they get their use out of that headline, things change.

        Bait and switch at its finest

      • 0 avatar
        SCE to AUX

        @deanst: What difference does the price of a Tesla make when discussing Stellantis’ whining about the company’s EV problems?

        • 0 avatar
          Oberkanone

          Discussing EV supply chain and not including Tesla is disingenuous.
          Stellantis is being candid about EV future. Supply chain material challenges will create a market where only the moderately wealthy may afford an EV. Is Stellantis late to EV? Sure. So what? Hellcat and TRX are a great end to ICE for Stellantis.

      • 0 avatar
        Oberkanone

        from September 2020

        Tesla today announced an upcoming $25,000 electric car enabled by its new battery cell and coming within the next three years.
        Originally, CEO Elon Musk indicated that Tesla wouldn’t likely make a car for less than $35,000.
        His thought process was that with the advent of autonomous ride sharing, electric car fleets would reduce the cost of travel per mile and address the lower end of the transportation market.
        However, he changed his tune over the last year and indicated that Tesla would release a cheaper electric car.
        Most recently, Musk announced that Tesla would design and build in China a smaller electric hatchback that is expected to be cheaper.
        Now Tesla has clarified its plan and officially announced that it will launch a $25,000 electric car.
        Musk made the announcement at the end of the Tesla Battery Day presentation:

      • 0 avatar
        Lorenzo

        Well, the dollar isn’t buying more, but less – due to inflation.

        More to the point, even Musk realizes the EV isn’t going to overtake the ICE. There’s far more petroleum to power ICE’s than there is elecrical generating capacity to recharge EV’s, even if there was a charging station on every corner.

        The EV will continue to be what it is now, an expensive luxury car for the few who don’t drive long distances. The cheapest models will be city cars for places like Los Angeles, and there only because eventually air pollution standards will virtually outlaw ICE’s.

        For most of America – flyover country to most EV owners – the limited range and recharge time makes ICE’s more practical.

    • 0 avatar
      teddyc73

      When did “market” or “segment” or “sector” become “space”?

    • 0 avatar
      redgolf

      This California desert could hold the key to powering all of America’s electric cars
      “Lithium is abundant in the Salton Sea Basin. In fact, people working to extract it say there could be enough to make batteries for all the electric cars expected to be built in this country for many years, freeing the United States from reliance on foreign lithium suppliers.”
      https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/business/salton-sea-lithium-extraction/index.html

  • avatar
    Superdessucke

    Man. Who would have ever saw That coming.

    • 0 avatar
      Varezhka

      Meanwhile, the Toyota group has secured 10% of the global lithium reserve since 2006, owns multiple nickel and cobalt mines, and have an operational nickel and cobalt recycling facilities.

      All the while perfecting their hybrid technology and waiting for BEV to actually be financially viable.

      EU and China can try to change the rules all they want. All of these non-tariff barriers only reduce the competitiveness of their own automotive industries and delay the inevitable.

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    It’s a great excuse, except you still owe the fines. But I’m sure that was the plan regardless.

    • 0 avatar
      ollicat

      Agreed. The whole mandate to EV’s was nothing more than a disguised taxation scheme.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        It’s defined as “racketeering”. They’re not going to sit back and watch automakers make an absolute killing off of gas guzzlers, by Toyota, Nissan and Honda too, and not employ some form of profit sharing.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    Nice to hear some common sense rather than the usual BS about EVs.

    I’m sure his remarks will be considered a “silly, extremist viewpoint” but he’s 100% spot on.

    People know this and that is why EV adoption amongst sane, rational people is very slow.

    The environmental claims have been debunked, there are real issues with infrastructure, etc.

    • 0 avatar
      ThomasSchiffer

      Totally agree.

      It has been proven over and over again that the best thing one can do for the environment is to drive your existing car for decades+.

      The production of millions of fancy EV cars (which lack the basic flexibility of an ICE and are thus unappealing to me) will create environmental problems (and more CO2 emissions) – and nobody talks about this.

      Personally, I view this forced transition to an inferior product as a means of curtailing our individual and traveling freedoms. With any ICE car, I can drive wherever I want, when I want and increase my range by transporting fuel in Jerrycans, which I can then use to fill up a nearly empty tank within a minute or two. That’s freedom. Even if the number of chargers increase, I would still be forced to wait for nearly an hour until there is some usable energy in the batteries.

      To me there is nothing appealing about an EV. It’s an inferior product in my eyes. I do not care if the electric motor is more efficient than an ICE, or that the EV tailpipe is the coal power plant next door. What I care about in my cars is flexibility: range and fast refueling and longevity of the engine.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “To me there is nothing appealing about an EV. It’s an inferior product in my eyes. I do not care if the electric motor is more efficient than an ICE, or that the EV tailpipe is the coal power plant next door. What I care about in my cars is flexibility: range and fast refueling and longevity of the engine.”

        Don’t forget that with a proper ICE vehicle, the fuel tank doesn’t shrink over time.

        • 0 avatar
          ThomasSchiffer

          @EB Flex

          Exactly. Also, here in Germany people are paying for say an 80% charge (battery is at 20% when they recharge), but in reality only 70-75% of the energy they pay for is loaded into their batteries.

          The only place an EV makes some sense is in the city. But for my driving needs I require flexibility and no current EV on the market fulfills my driving demands.

      • 0 avatar
        BOJO

        Thomas, you did not drink your koolaid.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      @EBFlex: If Stellantis goes out of business, it won’t matter if Mr Tavares is right.

      If I worked for Stellantis, I’d be concerned that my CEO isn’t preparing the company for the future.

      • 0 avatar
        CoastieLenn

        An interesting problem. If Stellantis (a “foreign” company) goes out of business, how does the 2008 Bailout 2.0 go if this current- or any subsequent, administration decides to step in? We would, in theory, be potentially assisting a non-US company that owns FCA’s portfolio- which the 2008 Bailout clearly defined a US Automaker as “too big to fail”.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “@EBFlex: If Stellantis goes out of business, it won’t matter if Mr Tavares is right.

        If I worked for Stellantis, I’d be concerned that my CEO isn’t preparing the company for the future.”

        Evs are not the future. They offer very little practical benefit over ICE vehicles (bUt ItS sUpEr DuPeR fAsT 0-60), and represent a very small portion of the market.

        Stellantis will not go out of business focusing on the vehicles that actually sell…ICE vehicles. He could very well be the ONLY automotive CEO that is preparing for the future by taking it slow with EVs.

        • 0 avatar
          thornmark

          the CA Public Utilities Comm already published that EV’s there cost more to operate than comparable ICE vehicles and US Post Office ordered 90% ICE vehicles for its new fleet because they were required by law to choose the best option and found that EV trucks would cost 3x more to operate than ICE trucks

          WSJ reported that there are millions of articles on “battery breakthroughs” but no actual feasible battery breakthroughs.

          Tesla is putting less powerful batteries in their product as the price of lithium has soared 3x-4x

          and still lithium batteries are unstable – caused that VW billion dollar freighter loss and for GM to tell people park their Bolts outside or their home might burn down

          EV’s is the new ethanol, high speed rail, green energy scam – a government mandated boondoggle – even Musk says EVs are a niche product and the smart companies like Toyota and Honda agree, despite feigning support in the face of government dictates

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “Stellantis will not go out of business focusing on the vehicles that actually sell…ICE vehicles.”

          Tesla outsold Stellantis’ top selling brand, Jeep, by about 120,000 units in Q1 2022. It also outsold all of Honda, and came within about 30,000 units of tying Chevrolet.

          But this guy would argue with a straight face that EVs don’t sell. LOL…

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            https://insideevs.com/news/585186/us-electric-car-sales-2022q1/

            All EV’s from Everyone in Q1 2022 ~ 158,689
            (Tesla ~ 113,882)

            Chevrolet Q1 2022 = 344,033
            Jeep Q1 2022 = 193,281

            These are U.S. sales [or registrations as a proxy] figures. You could probably make a stronger point looking at sales growth rates, but there are some unusual factors affecting 2020 and 2021.

            Probably not a good idea to mix U.S. and Global data sets (you’ve been told this by others this week), unless you intended to do a Global sales comparison, which would be a little weird given that not all brands have similar footprints around the world. (If you were attempting the Global comparison, you did it wrong.)

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            Note that Ford Motor Company has jumped (leaped? leapt?) to third place in U.S. BEV sales Q1 2022.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Toolguy:
            Good point – the source I was using (goodcarbadcar) appears to be using global sales versus domestic. Thanks for setting that straight.

            Still, even if it’s “just” 113,000 domestic sales in 1Q, that’s pretty remarkable, and it makes them the leading luxury brand by far. It also puts the lie to the “no one wants EVs” BS.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “ Tesla outsold Stellantis’ top selling brand, Jeep, by about 120,000 units in Q1 2022. It also outsold all of Honda, and came within about 30,000 units of tying Chevrolet.”

            Still posting fake news. How…..expected.

            I’ve already told you (and now ToolGuy has as well) that mixing global sales with strictly US sales is not a good way to bolster your argument. It’s pathetic.

            “ There’s a guy in Arizona who hated his Toyota so much that he traded it in on a Nissan.”

            Interestingly, neither Toyota or Nissan have anything to do with Stellantis, Tesla or this article.

            Are you feeling ok?

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “Note that Ford Motor Company has jumped (leaped? leapt?) to third place in U.S. BEV sales Q1 2022.”

            Yes those 2,469 average sales per month are extremely impressive. For the record though, here are the Ford models that outsold ALL of their EVs combined (US only, in April 2022):

            Mustang
            EcoSport
            Bronco Sport
            Escape
            Bronco
            Edge
            Explorer
            F-Series
            Ranger
            Transit (minus the silly EV ones)
            Corsair
            Nautilus 424779

            For Q1, EVs made up 1.7% of Ford’s total sales. So yes, while the percentages may appear impressive, the actual numbers are awful and furthers the fact that people really don’t want EVs. Additionally, insideEVs inflated Ford’s numbers as they included 54 F150 Mach E sales when they were not on sale in the 1st quarter. Ford’s April sales release notes that they started shipping the toy trucks to dealers in April. Not quarter 1.

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            @EBFlex,

            I wonder if June’s EV sales figures will be higher or lower than April’s? (Since the people who purchased an EV in April didn’t really want an EV.)

            I wonder if Q2 2022 EV sales in the U.S. will be higher than Q1 2022 EV sales in the U.S.?

            I wonder why no customers brought home a Hummer EV Pickup before start of production for the Hummer EV Pickup. (Must be because there is no demand?)

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        There is a 0.0% chance that France and Italy would let Stellantis go out of business.

  • avatar
    ThomasSchiffer

    The stupid and hypocritical EU just forced a new law down our throats which penalizes business owners for buying/using products made by ‘cheap/child labor’ in Third World countries citing human rights and welfare considerations.

    And now these same morons are pushing for electric vehicles, whose batteries require specific raw materials mostly found in Third World nations with poor human rights records and which are predominantly extracted using cheap, underpaid labor (and in the case of the Congo, child laborers).

    Nice one, EU. I love how these holier than thou moronic EU scumbags do not see what hypocrites they are. Apologies for my foul language but I have had it with this EU which is interfering ever more in my daily life. I want to be left in peace and not have every da_n aspect of my life regulated by a bunch of overpaid idiots in Brussels who have never worked a day in their lives in the free market economy. The EU reminds of the feudal systems of ancient Europe.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    Battery supply is a key issue that Tesla recognized early on. Too bad they can’t do paint, suspensions or interiors.

  • avatar

    As I said before VW will go bankrupt first. Now I can add that Stellantis will be the second traditional automakers to go out of business according to their own CEO. Their behavior reminds me how Arian handled challenge from Space X – they said that reusable rockets are not financially plausible in Europe. In US and China they are plausible but not in Europe and Russia.

    So now you can make batteries in America and Asia but not in Europe. And then poor ICE engineers will be laid off. What a pity. Anyone who worked in SV will laugh on this statement. We are laid off or resign constantly, it is not even an issue, it is expected any day.

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      “The most important thing is to tell them that we love them.”

      Carlos Tavares loves Stellantis ICE engineers. The same engineers who put a “Dealer Only” cap on the transmission fill tube of my daughter’s Liberty and didn’t include a transmission dipstick. The Liberty which happened to be 100 miles away when the transmission started slipping (and I was sleeping). The Liberty which needs “ATF+4” fluid (we think – what is “FCA” by the way?). The ATF+4 fluid which Walmart’s website says is in stock at their store 100 miles away from drowsy me, but may or may not be (i.e., “is”) mixed up on the shelf with the “ATF” (sans ‘+4’) fluid which will kill the Jeep transmission if given the chance.

      So I love them less.

      [I do appreciate Jeff Bezos for selling me a ‘level tool’ and if the Jeep makes it home I’ll be all over the check procedure, which involves getting a transmission temperature reading from the scan tool – if my scan tool can even do that. Neither Bezos nor the Waltons have managed to source a reasonably-priced funnel which will reliably move expensive liquids parallel to Earth’s surface. Perhaps I’ll make my own.]

  • avatar
    Greg Hamilton

    This whole EV transition is part of “The Great Reset.” A good article on the history of “The Great Reset” is this:
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/09/17/the-great-reset-how-managerial-revolution-was-plotted-80-years-ago-by-cia-neocon/

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    It is a business challenge. There was a time when CEOs we’re paid to lead and solve such challenges. Guess this dude gets paid to whine.

  • avatar
    SaulTigh

    I feel like I’m pi$$ing into the wind here, but if the elites of this country were actually serious about the environment they’d be pushing gas/electric hybrids. Smaller batter pack is easier on ol’ mother earth to produce, and gasoline engines are better/cleaner/more efficient/more powerful than they ever have been. Hybrid drive trains are proven tech with appreciable real-world gains in MPGs. Maybe if they stopped suing every nuke plant on the drawing board we’d be getting somewhere with all electrics…again, if they were actually serious.

    I get it. Electric cars are cool, can have insane performance, and are easily afforded by the elites. Who cares if the rest of us can’t afford to transition?

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Very well said. I am a huge proponent of hybrids and plug-in hybrids. Truly the best of both worlds, easy to manufacture, people won’t have any problem adopting the technology, and unlike full EVs, they are very good for the planet and would severely reduce the consumption of oil.

    • 0 avatar
      Funky D

      This right here. A plug-in hybrid like the Toyota RAV4 prime has enough batter to cover most commutes and shopping trips. This would take care of most of the “problem” pols have with ICE right now.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Who says plug ins, hybrids, and full EVs can’t coexist?

        But for me, if I’m going in the tank to set my house up for a charger, I’d rather just go with a full EV. Others might make a different choice.

        (BTW, good luck finding a RAV4 Prime…that car is a total unicorn.)

        • 0 avatar
          WalterRohrl

          I have no issue with EVs but will point out that a Rav4Prime or a Pacifica PlugIn or pretty much any current PHEV will fully charge overnight in a garage or even in the driveway with nothing more than a 110V plug, i.e. no requirement to add any infrastructure assuming a standard plug is available.

  • avatar

    The biggest problem EV-s have for a car maker is that they don’t own every part of the assembly process. The battery pack is still very expensive and they have to pay someone else to make it. This is why you get either a Leaf, or Taycan. Sure, at six figures, (allow 35K for the battery pack) you can sell a luxury ride with volts. You can sell, for middle class money an electric economy car, a $40k Cruise…but there’s no middle class electric. The probably 50% profit margin the legacy makers rely on isn’t possible if the battery pack is half the price of the car up front to someone else. My late and unlamented Cadillac was a monument to the Supply Chain. German spark plugs. Suspension parts from Korea. Wiring harness by China. Filters from Poland. They got this so cheap that, pre covid, they were shaving pennies and shipping from the other side of the planet.

    Making the battery is not a clean enterprise….there is a reason it’s not being done in EU or US….you need to offshore the pollution in making them, never mind the resource extraction from friendly nations like Russia, where again, the enviro wreckage is offshored.

    I shall continue to drive my current vehicles into the ground. I don’t see EV as part of any grand conspiracy, just a lot of virtue signals…and in my part of the world, Tesla is what you buy when you are bored of the E class/5 series….fashion.

  • avatar
    hreardon

    I have no animosity toward EVs – they have a place in the market.

    The issue I have is with the headlong, seemingly forced rush, to EV-all-the-things.

    Sales figures demonstrate that there is a strong market for EVs, and this market will grow. Right now, I’m most interested in a Grand Cherokee 4xe or X5 45e hybrid – for us, it fits the bill right now: 25 miles electric, with no real penalty since they retain gasoline motors. I’m happy with the compromise. I suspect many other Americans would, too.

    A lot of the consumer “complaints” about EV range and charging are somewhat akin to people saying “I need the Tahoe because I tow a boat twice a year and take one long road trip every year.” Logic says that you rent the Tahoe for those occasions and buy an electric car for your everyday commute.

    In reality, car purchases, like most others, are emotional, not logical purchases. Does most people need the Grand Wagoneer? The Escalade? The F-250? Nope.

    However, Tavares is not wrong in his concerns about the supply chain – even Tesla is facing these pressures. The broader mass market is more emotionally driven and fearful (range and charging anxiety) than many in the commentariat recognize.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Great post although this paragraph is a bit much:

      “A lot of the consumer “complaints” about EV range and charging are somewhat akin to people saying “I need the Tahoe because I tow a boat twice a year and take one long road trip every year.” Logic says that you rent the Tahoe for those occasions and buy an electric car for your everyday commute.”

      Most people that own a boat tow it more than twice a year. Another benefit of the Tahoe is that it has 4WD which most people find necessary when driving in areas that get snow. They also need a family hauler. Welp the Tahoe does that too. I think the amount of people that legitimately have a Tahoe to tow a boat twice a year is statistically non existent.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Sounds like you have good reasons to believe an EV won’t work for you.

        Therefore: don’t buy one. Problem solved.

        • 0 avatar
          jack4x

          “Sounds like you have good reasons to believe an EV won’t work for you.

          Therefore: don’t buy one. Problem solved.”

          Great plan for as long as I’m allowed to make that choice.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Conventionally powered vehicles aren’t going away anytime soon. In fact, I don’t think they’ll ever go away entirely.

            https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/windsor-engine-plants-still-part-of-fords-long-term-plans

          • 0 avatar
            jack4x

            Washington, New York, and California (I may be missing others) already have laws on the books with defined dates where ICE cars will no longer be sold. Not to mention numerous other countries.

            Engine plants may be part of automaker’s plans at the moment, but they may not have the choice in the near future either.

            I wish I could be as sanguine as you always seem to be about this issue. I see no reason to believe that any of the following are true:

            -The usefulness of EVs sold in 2030 will be appreciably better for my needs than they are now.

            -Infrastructure, from power plants to roadside chargers, will be sufficient to enable a huge transition to EVs by 2030.

            -Lawmakers, at least in blue states, will factor any of this into their legislation on the matter. I don’t believe for a second that a decline in quality of life for middle class citizens factors highly in their calculations. If millions of people need to be forced into inferior products, so be it.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            We’ll see how that plays out once the prospect of people actually losing property that they paid for with their own money becomes less theoretical.

            I don’t think a forced shift to EVs is going to be a winner politically.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    Luckily the new Toyota Corolla GR is petrol powered so it will require less resources to build than an electric car!

  • avatar
    Dartdude

    All this jibber jabber about EV. The main element in this is electricity availability and cost. My current new solar system ($22,000.00)wouldn’t charge a EV without more electricity. My system has a life span of fifty years. Everybody needs affordable electricity to live. EV just drives up the cost of electricity for everyone.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    Gee those lampposts sure look empty… it also looks like the Tree of Liberty needs watered too.

  • avatar
    hreardon

    I have a strong suspicion that those states looking to ban ICE vehicles are going to be making changes to those plans as the cutoff dates get closer and consumers start paying attention to what’s *really* going to happen.

    The problem is that these lawmakers are treating ICE like incandescent lights. The ramifications of this ban are significantly greater than they fully understand.

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