By on January 13, 2022

A divided U.S. Supreme Court has blocked the Biden administration’s vaccine-or-test rule that would have been enforced by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and impacted roughly 1.7 million automotive employees.

“Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers, it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly,” the court explained. “Requiring the vaccination of 84 million Americans, selected simply because they work for employers with more than 100 employees, certainly falls in the latter category.” 

The high court also doubted that the plan would have worked at all during numerous hearings, citing that 27 states had already issued formal opposition to OSHA’s plan to begin mandatory vaccination requirements for businesses. Their claim was that the proposed rules were unconstitutional and vastly exceeded the organization’s authority.

“The Biden Administration’s OSHA rule was a long time coming and we have been preparing for months now in anticipation,” Alaska Governor Mike Dunleavy stated in November 2021. “President Biden’s attempt to force mandates upon the nation is unconstitutional — it is an attack against the individual’s freedom and a threat against liberty. My administration previously issued an Administrative Order which represents my commitment to Alaskans against President Biden’s vaccine mandates. Alaskans can rest assured I will take every action possible to defend them and their rights. I am not anti-vaccine; I am anti-mandate, and I will stand up against federal overreach.”

While support of the proposed OSHA rules remained strong among businesses through 2021, numerous organizations that would have been subject to the rules likewise started walking things back during the fall — including automakers.

Domestic manufacturers (Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis) had all indicated that they would likely comply with vaccine mandates before January of 2022, coinciding with the Biden administration’s preferred timeline. Some had also started requiring salaried workers to report for their vaccine status while the Canadian side of the business actually began requiring vaccine proof just to enter the building.

However organized opposition to mandates had swelled throughout 2021 and none of the Big Three were willing to commit to anything by November for the United States. The same was true of the UAW, which encouraged members to get vaccinated while officially opposing any government-backed initiatives that would have forced the issue. The most domestic automakers would say is that they collectively supported the UAW’s request for all unionized workers to voluntarily submit their vaccine status to employers and would likely continue requiring the wearing of personal protective equipment (e.g. masks). But the industry remained quiet on the matter through December 2021, perhaps waiting to see how things played out with the Supreme Court.

They now have their answer. Judges decided to oppose the Biden Administration’s plan to give OSHA more authority, with three members of the court’s left wing (Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan) having dissented.

Though the Supreme Court did narrowly allow (5-4) a requirement would require health care workers in facilities that receive Medicare and Medicaid funding to be vaccinated, pending further proceedings. This time it was the right-leaning members of the court (Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Amy Coney Barrett) dissenting.

Automakers and the UAW are expected to give a joint statement on the Supreme Court decision pertaining to vaccines in the coming days.

[Image: General Motors]

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216 Comments on “Supreme Court Blocks OSHA Workplace Vaccine Mandates...”


  • avatar
    240SX_KAT

    Nothing like going against over 200 years of precedence.
    Morons.

    • 0 avatar
      Sloomis

      I think the key difference is that vaccine mandates, quarantines and so on were always implemented at the state level, not the federal. I’m sure individual states could still enact their own vaccine mandates if they chose.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      “Nothing like going against over 200 years of precedence.
      Morons.”

      If the vaccines worked, there may be an argument. But they don’t.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Not only that but also, pushing experimental meds. This gov deserves a new Nuremberg trial because they broke a Nuremberg declaration.

        1.The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion, and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

        • 0 avatar
          Peter Gazis

          Slavuta
          1. The vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective through 3rd stage drug trials. They have moved beyond the experimental stage.
          2. The vaccines are made up of proteins. That copy proteins unique to the Covid 19 virus. The vaccine proteins are not alive. They’ve never been alive. When not in a deep freeze, they break up right away. Longterm effects are highly unlikely.
          3. Employers are obligated to help keep employees and customers safe. They can demand employees and customers be vaccinated. If you don’t like it, YOU ARE FREE to go work somewhere else.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            “Employers are obligated to help keep employees and customers safe”

            I did not see a metal detector at the entry of my office

            “The vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective ”

            No they were not. Biontech Comirnaty received FDA approval on conditions that they will continue to submit safety data for the next several years. And this “approved vaccine” does not exist in US. They still shoot under EUA.

            According to many doctors, as many reports as VAERS receives for these vaccines, they should of been stopped long ago.
            MIT Stephanie Seneff believes we will cry about all of this later – Parents should do everything they can to avoid giving their kids the COVID vaccine.

          • 0 avatar
            Peter Gazis

            Slavuta
            @metal detectors, Is gun violence a problem at your work? How many of your coworkers have shot you in the past year?

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            No one at my work died from covid either

        • 0 avatar
          Number6

          Largest clinical trial in the history of mankind.

          But go on repeating what your vaccinated trust-fund bow tie tells you to.

          And to think they called liberals “lemmings.

          • 0 avatar
            SoCalMikester

            no, everything is just fine. people say this omicron is like having the sniffles for a day. perfectly fine to go to rallies, live life as normal.

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        “If the vaccines worked, there may be an argument. But they don’t.”

        Actually, they do work and it’s a well proven facct.

        • 0 avatar
          285exp

          That depends on what you consider working. It won’t stop you from catching or transmitting COVID. I’ve gotten both vaccinations and the booster, I think people who are able to should too, but if they don’t it’s their choice. I’ve protected myself as much as possible, and I’m going to live my life as normally as possible. If my employer wants to dictate that it’s employees must be vaccinated, its going to lose some good good ones, it should make that decision without being forced to by the government.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          “Actually, they do work and it’s a well proven facct.”

          But it is also the fact that they don’t. These pseudo-vaccines work only at certain periods, then they fatigue your immune system and then you’re open for a deadly disease.

          • 0 avatar
            SoCalMikester

            that explains all the millions who got vaxed, then died. like me! actually never been healthier. lost some weight from not eating junk food, and havent had the sinus infection i usually get around this time each year

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @slavuta: “Actually, they do work and it’s a well-proven fact”

            Again, it’s a well proven fact that they work.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          “Actually, they do work”

          Pfizer CEO does not believe they do – “Three doses of vaccine give very limited protection if any”
          https://t.me/sanya_florida/1853

          Then he of course had an ooops moment and rolled back to 2. But we all know what that was about. Ask Freud.
          And then if you have 4 boosters, it has a “reasonable protection” and only against “hospitalization and death”.

          But MOST people will not have an issue with hospitalization and death from the start

      • 0 avatar
        Peter Gazis

        EBFlex
        70% of the U.S. General Public are Vaccinatied
        90% of the People Hospitalized in the U.S. are unvaccinated.

        Stats indicate the vaccines work. Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass, and go get Vaccinated

        .

        • 0 avatar
          happycamper

          Latest from Australia:
          68% of covid hospitalizations are fully vaccinated…

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @happycamper – post your sources. I did a quick search. It is estimated that 89% of their population is vaccinated. The overwhelming majority of ICU admissions and deaths are in the unvaccinated. Even if you are correct, 32% of hospitalizations come from 11% of the population, that shows the opposite of what you are trying to imply.

          • 0 avatar
            SoCalMikester

            and theyre all dying! just look at the news… good thing the non-vaxxed people arent getting covid. its just the people that got vaccinated, right? nah, try harder

          • 0 avatar
            Bike

            But only 5 percent are unvacinated!!

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Peter Gazis – he claims to be vaccinated. What does that tell you about him? Ignore the troll.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          British PM health adviser months ago said on TV – 66% of those admitted to the hospitals are fully vaccinated

      • 0 avatar
        SoCalMikester

        no, they dont. everyone who took the vaccine is now dead. you are now living in a simulation

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          448 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 262 Dead, After COVID Shot

          And you know what, unlike some anonymous deaths of ordinary citizens, it is easy to check the names of the athletes. And here they are

          https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

          Don’t you think, this is strange that so many dead young athletes in 2021?

          • 0 avatar
            wolfwagen

            I was listening to Talk Radio on Friday afternoon and the Host read a list of soccer players that died after getting the vaccine. the youngest was 13 and the oldest was 28-29 (I Think). When you have in shape athletes dying post-vaccination it has to give you pause to at least be like what is going on?

    • 0 avatar
      wolfwagen

      “Nothing like going against over 200 years of precedence”

      Actually quite the contrary. The Supreme Court is Check and Balance on the Other branches of Government. The President Cannot just issue a mandate on any Company. If so they could have GM provide insurance and BCBS make cars.

      If he wanted OSHA to enforce vaccines then a bill should have been drawn up and then submitted by normal means, and guess what? It would have been struck down.

      The Federal government has never mandated Vaccines. All Child vaccines are mandated by the States and that is so that children can go to school. I know several parents that have doctored their Child’s vaccination status because they were deathly afraid of their child having reactions (autism) to vaccines.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        “I know several parents that have doctored their Child’s vaccination status because they were deathly afraid of their child having reactions (autism) to vaccines.”

        Yes, because I’m spite of what Medical Science tells me about Autism and vaccines and them not being linked (and I have a kid diagnosed with it) I am going to instead follow the advice of Jenny McCarthy. She’s not a doctor, but she was Playmate of the Year in like 1998 and that’s basically the same.

        Said nobody with a shred of intelligence EVER!

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        I hope that the school of any parent who doctors a vaccine card recovers a big fat judgment from that parent, that more than covers the expenses the school incurs as a result of a preventable COVID outbreak. It’s one thing to be a moron (although it does have negative effects on the rest of us too). It’s quite another thing to lie to everyone else about it and have them rely on your lie.

    • 0 avatar
      tomLU86

      Ruling is far from a total victory for freedom. Congress could legislate a mandate (not OSHA). The Federal government can still force certain workers (health care) to play russian roulette and take a shot KNOWN to injure and kill.

      But I’m a little disappointed at Matt Posky, who I perceived as the most intelligent of the TTAC crew.

      In Canada, the Detroit Three have mandated the mRNA treatment. In the US, Stellantis mandated it for ALL salaried employees. Ford mandated it for most salaried employees, except those who work in manufacturing plants. GM, to it’s credit, did not (yet). Instead, GM has chosen, for now, to pursue a policy of incessant badgering, but stopping short of mandating mRNA treatments for salary employees.

      So, does that mean that the engineers who design and style the vehicles, and tend to manufacturing, logistics, and a thousand other vital functions, don’t matter to Matt Posky? While this is an entertaining space, and there can be a lot of slop from those of you with the microphone, I am very disappointed in your giving the Detroit Three a pass, simply because they realize they face major legal issues since mandatory shots are not in the current labor agreements. Shame on you Matt Posky.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @tomlu46 – “to play russian roulette and take a shot KNOWN to injure and kill”.

        That’s hyperbole to the 20th power.

        COVID-19 vaccines have 2 serious adverse events per million vaccinations.

        Acetaminophen (tylenol) a common over the counter nonprescription medication kills 35 people per million doses. It is 45 per million for ibuprofen (advil).

        I don’t know a single healthcare professional that believes vaccination carries much of a risk.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          Vaccines cause 2 serious adverse events per million doses (adverse events, not just deaths).

          Meanwhile, out of a million unvaccinated persons who contract COVID, something like 3000 to 5000 will die. Vaccination reduces that risk by over 90 percent. In comparison with that risk reduction, the risk from the vaccine is barely even a rounding error.

          I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that the same people who are susceptible to obviously made-up anti-vax grift can’t do math.

          • 0 avatar
            PJPT

            AHA. Same death rate per million for those that just get the vaccine. Now the vaccines do not work after 4 to 6 months and you still get COVID. Does not make sense.

          • 0 avatar
            PJPT

            AHA. Same death rate per million for those that just get the vaccine. Now the vaccines do not work after 4 to 6 months and you still get COVID. Does not make sense.

          • 0 avatar
            Daniel J

            Dal,

            I hear “tell that to the family from someone who died of Covid”

            What about telling that to the family of someone who’s died from the shot. Where is THAT compassion at?

            I was all for the vaccinations in March of last year. I’m still for the vaccinations for people who are at risk. At this point, it is obvious with the dominant strains, the Vaccines aren’t doing much to prevent the spread, so it doesn’t matter what is mandated, workers will still get the virus. So, at that point it is up to the individual to get the vaccine.

            I mean, Pfiser says it has a new one to work for Omicron and Delta in the coming months. If those truly work, then let’s talk about THOSE vaccines.

        • 0 avatar
          PJPT

          I believe there is about 15,000 deaths reported in the adverse events system for the COVID vaccines give or take a few thousand in the US. That puts the risk of death about 75 per million. Given the fact that it is so hard to report and most people don’t bother to report, there is a factor of about 41 more events than there is reported on the system which is a number calculated by a reputable person. That puts the deaths person million at about 3,000 – give or take a few hundred. The vaccines should have been pulled off the market almost immediately once the death toll hit 50 per million which is the number that has been used in the past.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @PJPT – incorrect. Cases SUSPECTED or possibly attributable to vaccines are reported and THEN investigated. You are citing only reports not investigated outcomes.

        • 0 avatar
          PJPT

          I believe there is about 15,000 deaths reported in the adverse events system for the COVID vaccines give or take a few thousand in the US. That puts the risk of death about 75 per million. Given the fact that it is so hard to report and most people don’t bother to report, there is a factor of about 41 more events than there is reported on the system which is a number calculated by a reputable person. That puts the deaths person million at about 3,000 – give or take a few hundred. The vaccines should have been pulled off the market almost immediately once the death toll hit 50 per million which is the number that has been used in the past.

        • 0 avatar
          Dave M.

          Lou, Lou, Lou – Please don’t ruin the Q circle jerk with anecdotal facts. It’ll take the buzz off for them….

          As long as Covid45 continues to strongly impact the stupid, I’m on Darwin’s side.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Dave M.- more and more, I’m leaning towards letting natural selection do its job.

            The problem is that I have to deal with the fallout from the deniers on a daily basis on the job.

          • 0 avatar
            tomLU86

            We found something we can agree on!

            Yes, let Darwin decide.

            2 in a million. It must be a lot higher among tennis players then. Nicoloz Basilashvili couldn’t breathe in a match in Australia. Jeremy Chardy, French pro, career suspended. All kinds of pro athletes. There’s two for you.

            By now, anyone with ears and eyes and open mind can see that all is not bliss with the rushed shots.

            Numerous accounts of steep rise in the death rates (Britain, US insurance company) of 18-60 year olds starting the second half of 2021.

            So, yes, it appears that natural selection (courtesy of the most effective mass disinformation campaign in the West since Germany, circa 1935) is, unfortunately, doing its job.

        • 0 avatar
          SoCalMikester

          and even in those deaths, some were certainly suicide. others were due to overuse by people that had bad organs to start, or popping tylenol with nyquil (same thing)

          • 0 avatar
            JD-Shifty

            “and even in those deaths, some were certainly suicide. others were due to overuse by people that had bad organs to start, or popping tylenol with nyquil (same thing)”

            and bee stings. thanks tucker

      • 0 avatar
        Daniel J

        @tomLU86,

        It’s smart for TTAC. How many comments and clicks have they gotten on this article? Their advertisers I’m sure don’t mind.

    • 0 avatar
      thornmark

      MSNBC talking points are not Constitutional law

    • 0 avatar
      thornmark

      idiotic MSNBC talking points are not Constitutional law

    • 0 avatar
      thornmark

      idiotic MSNBC talking points are not Constitutional law

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      “Nothing like going against over 200 years of precedence.
      Morons.”

      The US was crazy ahead of the times…imagine having OSHA 200 years ago.

  • avatar
    MitchConner

    Joe and his idiotic administration fall down the stairs once again.

    Looking forward to the midterms so a flipped House can neutralize that stupid old clown until he’s put out to pasture.

    His presidential library needs to built in a Port-a-Potty.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Yep. This is a massive win for everyone in this country. What a bad week for the installed Brandon administration. Not only this but his approval ratings are shockingly low, inflation is way up, gasoline forecasts are looking very bad, and Sinema just dealt a fatal blow to fraudulent attempt to ending the filibuster.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        This is not a win until 3 SC individuals who showed that they are anti-constitutional activists are removed

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          Well, per that Construction you claim to Revere they are serving the same lifetime appointments as the other 6 justices

          If you are all about the Construction until it is an inconvenience to you, are you really a big fan of it in the first place?

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            They discredited themselves by spewing blatant lies from the highest bench. They showed how they are disconnected from the real life.

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          “until 3 SC individuals who showed that they are anti-constitutional activists are removed”

          Remember, you’re not as anonymous on this site as you think you are. Nice little hometown you have back in the old country. If you don’t like it here, it doesn’t look like a bad place. Cool soviet era mosaic near the river and the park of a peasant girl dancing in front of a tractor and some grain mill. Is the microbrewery near there any good?

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          discussing removing supreme court justices is crossing a line.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Maybe he just meant add a bunch more justices.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Which line? Senile people should be removed. I am not going to defend myself. I say what I think. Lions can’t be ruled by scary zebras. “Home of the brave”? Yea, right.

    • 0 avatar
      wolfwagen

      And said Port-A-Potty set ablaze!

  • avatar
    ajla

    youtu.be/xSLlZh9yelk

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    They’ve made a brave stand for life!!!! Wait…

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Hilarious that you think the Omicron sniffles equal a death sentence.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        It’s killed about the same number of Americans this week that die in car crashes in about 4 months. (Of course, all but a few of those who died were unvaccinated.)

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          How is that even analogues?

          Oh i can come up with a ridiculous comparison too…Fentanyl overdoses killed more people 18-45 since 2020 than COVID-19, wrecks, suicides.

          But lets keep the southern border wide open and not require illegals to be vaccinated.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            It’s analogous because car crashes are by far the largest preventable cause of death in the country. The vast majority of those COVID deaths are just as preventable if not more so.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Only CDC is peddling back to what I said nearly 2 years ago – died with coving vs from covid. But now their butts are on fire so they start to return to reality. Only don’t be confused. They did not found sudden integrity. This is part of the game called – soon will be elections, we can’t stop the virus, lets improve the optics. They are as corrupt as ever.

          NO ONE SHOULD TRUST CDC

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          On an unrelated note, maybe, I read that in the years of the quarantine, Smoking has increased for the first time in Decades.

          Maybe Death is actually like the version of death in all those “Final Destination” movies and he is just going to get his regardless.

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    I have to agree that OSHA shouldn’t be setting public health policy, but when states choose to go against/ignore scientifically directed control measures, what is the appropriate alternative? Let er rip, let em die isn’t sound policy.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Hilarious that you think the Omicron sniffles is a death sentence.

    • 0 avatar
      namesakeone

      It hasn’t helped that we have a lot of idiots–I mean citizens–who think that the COVID-19 vaccine contains a tracking device that allows the government to track their every move. It’s ironic that most of these people probably carry a smart phone that actually allows anyone (with the technology) to do exactly that.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        Very, very few people believe that. The VAST majority of people believe the vaccines reduce symptoms (but it does not prevent the spread as the government has instructed us to believe) however do not believe it should be mandated especially after being lied to by the CDC and our repugnant politicians for the last two years.

      • 0 avatar
        IH_Fever

        Yeah those people are dumb, not unlike those who think the vaccine stops the spread even after their CDC masters said it didn’t.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        I even heard from someone that if you take the vaccine it will turn you into a liberal. Many still believe the Earth is flat and that if you sail to the ends of the Earth you will fall off. If man were meant to fly he would have wings. The Moon landing was staged out in the desert. If it’s on the Internet it has to be true.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Corrupt scientific direction. F–king alchemy

    • 0 avatar

      @ Lou: What measures are those you mention? Certainly hope masks are not one of them. Fact: smoke particles measure between .4 and .5 micrometers. Fact: viruses measure .1 micrometer. Fact (from CDC, JAMA and others): surgical masks (the ones I see most people wearing) are only effective filtering out .5 micrometer size particles. Cloth is less effective from same sources. Sounds like the science of physics makes masks less than effective at preventing the spread of a viral infection (just like the CDC concluded in May of 2020 after reviewing 15 RCTs, ditto for JAMA and a research hospital whose name escapes me at the moment).

      • 0 avatar

        @Lou: Surgical masks only block particles down to 100 micrometers – not .5 micrometers. I apologize for my error. N95’s only block down to .3 micrometers – I had confused the two measurements.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @THX1136 – If what you say is correct, then any N95 would not work. Virus’s do not move around on their own. They are suspended in droplets. They can be in finer vapour or larger droplets. Those droplets (fine or large) tend to be a size to be captured in a N95 (on inspiration) or even a facemask (exhalation/talking/sneezing/coughing).

        The reason for wearing a simple face mask aka surgical face mask is to minimize the spread of one’s own droplets. The infection rate in an operating room theatre is rather small, typically under 3%. That’s all they wear.

        You can play your word game and it depends on what specifically the CDC studied. I’m sure you are giving examples of studies that look ONLY at the level of protection to the wearer. A simple face mask provides less protection to the wearer but good protection to others. There are plenty of studies that show that facemasks are effective at reducing the overall community burden of SARS – CoV – 2.

  • avatar
    pmirp1

    Branden not having a good week.

    Senator Senema saying she won’t support rule change for senate. That kills that idiotic voter fraud law Democrats want to pass. In Georgia we won’t let them cheat again.

    Now Supreme court tells Branden he is no king. He can not mandate people getting vaccine.

    Ask yourself, what good is this vaccine if you still get the virus any way?

    • 0 avatar
      Sloomis

      You didn’t let anyone cheat last time either. Keep up the good work.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        We didn’t let Bama Cheat Baby.

        HOW BOUT THEM DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Maybe Herschel will do some Campaigning with Stetson Bennett IV!!!!

        “Herschel Walker…Knocking down Senate Blowhards likethey are Tennessee Defensive Backs!!!

        Raphael Warnock…Supportied a boycott against his own state and removal of the All Star Game. Thanks to the Braves for winning the World Series and making it a moot point. Dude is probably a Yankees Fan anyway.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      “Ask yourself, what good is this vaccine if you still get the virus any way?”

      Exactly. After being told for YEARS now that we need to be vaccinated because “with every vaccinated person, the virus STOPS” and then that becoming FLATLY untrue, they still feel they need to press forward with these vaccine mandates.

      But then they tell us that the masks are the solution. Oh but not the masks that reasonable people have been saying don’t work since 2020 (cloth and surgical). Only N95s (made in china and probably pre-infected with COVID) work.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      You here don’t have to cal it a “vaccine”. You should say, “the substance they call a ‘vaccine\'”

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      “Ask yourself, what good is this vaccine if you still get the virus any way?”

      Because it’s proven that you’ll get a milder case.

      • 0 avatar
        wolfwagen

        Have you ever heard of anyone getting a milder case of polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Chickenpox, SmallPox, etc? NO.

        However, you do hear of people getting a milder case of the Flu. They don’t call it a flu vaccine but a flu shot.

        Vaccine (to most people) implies you will not get the disease.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @wolfwagen – “They don’t call it a flu vaccine but a flu shot.”

          To be correct, professionals would refer to it as “Influenza vaccine”. Typically these influenza vaccines cover the three most likely prevalent strains. They currently have influenza vaccines that cover four strains.

          “Have you ever heard of anyone getting a milder case of polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Chickenpox, SmallPox, etc?”
          I can say yes to most of those.
          Polio has not been detected/reported in the USA since 1979.
          In 1980 the W.H.O. released a statement indicating that smallpox has been irradicated world wide.

  • avatar
    dwford

    No worries. Most large corporations are tripping over themselves to do whatever the consensus thing on Twitter is to do. So as long as the right type of politician suggests it, the corporations will happily follow along. For many corporations, this vaccine mandate will go into effect anyway – see Citigroup firing their unvaccinated employees at the end of the month.

  • avatar
    slavuta

    If you heard the hearings, these three idiots (Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan) acted like scientists and doctors in one. They did not hear the constitutionality of the case – they have made a decision that vaccination is the only way to beat the virus. Which is obviously false on many levels.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      They also lied through their teeth and spread MASSIVE amounts of misinformation.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Are they banned from Twitter?

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          With the Biden Admins polling tumble and the numbers that see January 6th as a big deal continuing to decline in those same polls, I wonder if the Biden admin and the DNC might work behind the scenes to get Trump reinstated on Social Media.

          There is nothing to focus on except bad news and it is bad news that is getting pinned on Biden.

          Meanwhile there is no Trump out there putting his foot in his mouth to make people remember that “at least Biden isn’t Trump”. Biden needs Trump lol.

          It’s gotten bad enough that I am beginning to see rumors of a Hillary comeback.

          If the slate of candidates we’ve had in the last few cycles end up bringing us back to Hillary as the answer, I give up.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            “It is not about who is going to go to vote. But who is count the vote.”

            Who said?

            1. Biden
            2. Stalin

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Both?

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            28,

            According to facebook [fake] “fact checkers” – only Biden said this.

            They found that the only place of recollection where Stalin said this was in the memoirs of his secretary who wrote hi book and published abroad.

            And when my friend posted a picture of Stalin with this phrase, FB put a fact check on it saying that there is no evidence. Only some book…

    • 0 avatar
      wolfwagen

      Sotomayor should be Run out of town for the whopper of a lie she told. Roberts should have had her recused, because she showed how stupid she was.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Statement from the dissenting opinion:

    “Today, we are not wise. In the face of a still-raging pandemic, this Court tells the agency charged with protecting worker safety that it may not do so in all the workplaces needed. As disease and death continue to mount, this Court tells the agency that it cannot respond in the most effective way possible.”

    So, in the end, OSHA can mandate machine guards, railings, and signage, but can’t protect you from your sick coworker who doesn’t care about anyone but their own “rights”.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      That was the dissent from the justices that spread massive amounts of misinformation during the hearings right?

      “So, in the end, OSHA can mandate machine guards, railings, and signage, but can’t protect you from your sick coworker who doesn’t care about anyone but their own “rights”.”

      If the vaccine worked as we were told by our installed administration and media (with each vaccinated person, the virus stops) there may be an argument. But that is not the case. The vaccines do nothing to stop the spread.

      Lastly, the omicron sniffles are nothing to be afraid of. Prior to the insanity of 2020, people would go to work all the time with sniffles. It wasn’t an issue. Stop with the hysterics and look at this rationally. COVID has always been a cold for the vast majority of people. Now, it’s an extremely mild cold where the WORST symptom is a headache.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        The vaccine is the reason you can even utter the idiotic phrase “Omicron sniffles.” It’s the reason we’re not having that many more deaths than we did from Alpha or Delta despite the much higher case counts.

        The vast majority of people dying from COVID today are unvaccinated. And the vast majority of *those* would not have died if they had been vaccinated. If we had universal vaccination we’d cut the death rate by at least 90 percent.

        But the pro-COVID caucus whines about it and so people keep dying unnecessarily. It should be a massive scandal.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          dal,

          you only need to worry about your death. Not “ours”

          • 0 avatar
            JD-Shifty

            then don’t show up tp the hospital sick with covid. stay home.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            But I do need to worry about the fact that if I slip on the ice outside and break my leg the nearby hospital will be so full of unvaccinated morons that I won’t be able to get treatment.

            Not an exaggeration. My county is almost 90% vaccinated. But the local hospitals are over 100% capacity and the large majority of the people filling them up are unvaccinated COVID patients, many from other parts of the state where vax rates are closer to 50% and local facilities are totally overwhelmed.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Put the unvaccinated at the end of the line then…

            With the smokers, fatties, drunks and others that make stupid decisions and take up hospital space due to said dumb decisions.

            I mean how many beds are taken up by people that need only put down the KFC bucket and take their fat a$$es to the gym. Or maybe get some Nicolette instead of that pack of reds. I’ve been subsidizing those morons forever.

            Only seems fair.

            Of course we should probably refund that health insurance they paid for or are.we going to start just letting them change what they cover on the fly. Seems like a.great idea.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            “Put the unvaccinated at the end of the line then.”

            It would be so much easier, less painful for them, and less costly for everyone else just to vaccinate them.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Fair enough. Additionally put the fatties on a diet and bus them to the gym.

        • 0 avatar
          IH_Fever

          Yeah, I’m calling BS, seeing how the CDC director himself literally said the vaccine does not prevent you getting or spreading covid. People can choose to get the vax or not. If they don’t and it would have prevented death, that’s on them. It’s no different than someone choosing to drink or smoke. But by all means, keep pushing others to be scared so you aren’t the only one…

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “CDC director himself”

            Uh, I know she looks like a man but “Dr.” Walensky is technically a woman.

            Best quote I read was: “today they cut the baby in two” (in reference to King Solomon). Only thing that makes sense to me was to cause mass chaos in order to take down the US healthcare system, because in a future action it will multiply the casualty rate.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          A-ha! rrrrright. They are there because they are vaccinated or because they have 4 commodities? This is what CDC said. This is a brainwash you hear from CNN. unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated, unvaccinated

          I know at least 15-17 people who got Covid while unvaccinated and not one had to go to the hospital.

          Instead of working on therapeutics, we screw around. When I have a weed in my yard, I spray that weed. Not the whole yard.

          • 0 avatar
            Daniel J

            @dal,

            It would be so much easier for all the fatties to put the bucket of KFC down. For all the smokers to quit smoking. For all the type 2 diabetics to put down the sugar.

            Some people think that a “shot” is easy. Tell that to the people who’ve been put in the hospital because of ANY medicine they’ve received and had a bad reaction to.

          • 0 avatar
            Daniel J

            @dal,

            It would be so much easier for all the fatties to put the bucket of KFC down. For all the smokers to quit smoking. For all the type 2 diabetics to put down the sugar. That people who have STDs should just stop screwing.

            Some people think that a “shot” is easy. Tell that to the people who’ve been put in the hospital because of ANY medicine they’ve received and had a bad reaction to.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @daniel:
            “Fatties.” Okey dokey.

            For argument’s sake, let’s say the “fatties” could take a vaccine to protect themselves against all the stuff that goes wrong if you live like that. That one shot may not be a 100% guarantee against getting things like heart disease or diabetes, but it does make the symptoms of both diseases far less severe.

            Now, explain to me why it wouldn’t make sense to take that vaccine.

            Even if vaccines don’t prevent the spread of COVID, even if they’re not 100% effective in preventing serious complications from it, it’s obvious they offer protection. Arguing against that makes about as much sense as someone who weighs 400 pounds deciding to super size his Big Mac meal.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Nobody is arguing that @FreedMike, but there is this bubbling movement to deny people healthcare with respect to the vaccine because they have made a dumb decision.

            I’m simply saying fine. But there are plenty of dumb decisions being made that could save John Q. Taxpayer some cash. How many decades of data do we have on the effects of smoking? Yet we still expect them to be treated when the inevetible spot on their lungs shows up. And isn’t obesiety the number 1 comorbidity for actually getting a serious covid case? And all the other health issues others shoulder the burden for it because people can’t put down the KFC or tear themselves away from General Hospital to get some exercise.

            And with respect to vehicle deaths, maybe it is time to take a long hard look at the super low standards we have for getting a license to drive and registering crapboxes on American roads.

            Why the sole focus on Covid? There are plenty of dumb decisions to hold people accountable for.

            And the fatties don’t even have to take a vaccine…they just have to get their @$$es off the couch. Same with the smokers. Just stop putting something in your body that we have known kills you for the past 70 years or so.

            This is a rare chance for compromise and a win win! Vaccines, Diets and Nicorette for ALL!

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      ‘Murica.

      (Waving tiny flag)

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Well, yea. OSHA is a workplace safety and not a health agency. I don’t remember OSHA monitoring weekly tuberculosis tests

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Has the Consumption been a big issue in your life? I mean you could have certainly gotten it from one of those Taliban soup bowls you shared…it was quite an issue there but in the UA it hasn’t really been a problem.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Don’t worry. How many thousands of Afghans we brought here? Trust me, they have unique diseases, you will hear about eventually…

          Oh wait. Here it is. Somebody is on it

          “The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is recommending that medical professionals and clinicians be on alert for infectious diseases among Afghan nationals recently brought into the country, including measles, mumps and rubella, diseases for which Americans have already been vaccinated.”

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Yeah I haven’t worried about any of those since my first year or so of life. That MMR vaccine and all.

      • 0 avatar
        SCE to AUX

        Covid-19 has a 2% death rate; smallpox had a 1% death rate.

        If my coworker engages in behavior that has a 2% chance of killing someone else, such as removing guards from a machine to make their job easier, OSHA has jurisdiction. That person doesn’t have a right to do it.

        By the way, Covid is 10,000 times as deadly as tuberculosis. Maybe that’s why OSHA isn’t concerned with that one.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Small pox can kill anyone. Covid can kill old/frail/diseased person.
          Besides, all this stat is out of the window. We don’t know how many people REALLY had covid. They are finding antibodies from the donor blood in the % that double from the % of covid cases. Hence, your 2% very well might be 0.5 and again, it is affecting mostly specific categories.
          When read Italian statistics, I nearly fell. “A person with shot dies 4 years older”. and then … Average dying age of unvaccinated – 80. Vaccinated – 84. ooooooooh!!! yea. That’s important. At that age, living are jealous of dead.

          • 0 avatar
            SCE to AUX

            Wow. Where do you get your statistics – from the My Pillow Guy, or a radio talk show host?

            I guess the people charged with keeping track of such things are *all* lying, and they’re all leftists – around the world.

            Since you think everyone has a right to negligently spread deadly infectious disease around, don’t complain when you get it. Freedom!

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          This is not accurate. There are two variants of smallpox:

          “The two classic varieties of smallpox are variola major and variola minor.”

          The mortality rate of each was 30% and 1% respectively:

          “The mortality rate from variola minor is approximately 1%, while the mortality rate from variola major is approximately 30%.[69]”

          The common form was the more deadly Variola major:

          “There were two forms of the smallpox virus. Variola major was the severe and most common form, with a more extensive rash and higher fever. Variola minor was a less common presentation, causing less severe disease, typically discrete smallpox, with historical death rates of 1% or less.”

          Getting the minor variant provided protection against the major:

          “Infection with either variola major or variola minor confers immunity against the other.”

          Early attempts of a vaccine were to inoculate people with the minor variant:

          “The earliest procedure used to prevent smallpox was inoculation with variola minor (known as variolation after the introduction of smallpox vaccine to avoid possible confusion), which likely occurred in India, Africa, and China well before the practice arrived in Europe.”

          The current vaccine uses a live preparation of the Vaccinia virus:

          “During the 19th century, the cowpox virus used for smallpox vaccination was replaced by the vaccinia virus. Vaccinia is in the same family as cowpox and variola but is genetically distinct from both. The origin of the vaccinia virus and how it came to be in the vaccine are not known

          The current formulation of the smallpox vaccine is a live virus preparation of the infectious vaccinia virus.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

          So even if we accept the debatable 2% Covid mortality figure as accurate, variola major has a mortality figure 28% higher. Should Covid ever attain such a mortality rate I highly doubt the level of pushback seen would be occurring, but as it stands OSHA and the Biden dictatorship are very far out of constitutional authority. Far enough it is quite frightening.

  • avatar
    brn

    Interesting clickbait for an automotive site.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Word count on the blog side must have been below threshold.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      It’s a relevant topic.

      Now we get to see whether the mfrs impose a vaccine mandate anyway. It’s easy to blame the government, but much harder when the BoD makes the decision.

    • 0 avatar
      Matt Foley

      They took the story most likely to make leftist readers’ heads explode, and gave it to the TTAC writer most likely to make leftist readers’ heads explode. Brilliant, if you ask me. 100+ comments and climbing.

      Now if only they could get Matt Posky to change his first name to “Brandon.”

  • avatar
    mcs

    I see Cottage Grove Minnesota’s village idiot is at it again. What’s in the water there anyway?

  • avatar

    Bidon sucks. We already know that. What else is in the news today?

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      What is a “bidon?” Is it a wild bovine? Is it a bathroom fixture to wash your butt?

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      His approval rating is now hovering around Trump’s right after the capital stuff. That is staggering for a dude that has been in office one year.

      I guess between inflation, his foreign policy and his leaving out the bit of his “Covid plan” that totally relied on the good judgement of idiots people have had enough of him too.

      Why can’t we just have a normal President.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        If you want a normal president, you need a decent school system, that teaches how to think, and not what to think.

        If you want a normal president and politicians, you need to have accountability. In Ukraine, 2 previous president are wanted right now and hide outside the country. This is accountability. In Georgia, the previous president is in jail. Sarkozy, the French one – jail.
        You should read how they eliminated corruption in Singapore. That’s fun!

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          There is ample well-documented reason to put our previous president in jail, from rape to bribery to willful large-scale tax evasion. Let’s start there.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            If we are going to start putting the previous dudes in jail over the R word, me thinks Trump should probably have a cell mate in the form of a certain 90s President.

            Yeah, put them on trial. I fully support jailing convicted rapists.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            No objection to that. Put him on trial.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Bidon is also not coming out clean on this subject. There was an interesting hunt for his daughter’s diaries which might go even further…

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            The difference is that we have solid evidence about both Trump and Clinton while the stuff about Biden is wild-eyed conspiracy theory from internet nuts.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Biden is upside down in the polls because people are unhappy with the job he is doing. Nobody thinks the dude is a rapist. He should probably lose his job in the next election, but I’m not aware of anything hes done that would get him jail time outside of the “10 percent for the big guy stuff”. I feel there is enough there to at least warrent an investigation since those emails do exist on servers…not just the laptop.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Why FBI suddenly involved in the local theft of a diary? Oh…

            Biden’s daughter wrote that she remembers “showers w/ my dad (probably not appropriate),” according to the pages published by National File.

            Also, bribing Ukraine with a $1B of US taxpayers money to remove an honest AG who was investigating Hunter and friends.
            Just to confirm – the AD who was removed is still living in Ukraine , in an apartment. The person who replaced him is no longer living in Ukraine but in multi-million $$ mansion near London. Interesting, huh?

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Old new year. Happy!

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    @tomlu46 – “to play russian roulette and take a shot KNOWN to injure and kill”.

    That’s hyperbole to the 20th power.

    COVID-19 vaccines have 2 serious adverse events per million vaccinations.

    Acetaminophen (tylenol) a common over the counter nonprescription medication kills 35 people per million doses. It is 45 per million for ibuprofen (advil).

    I don’t know a single healthcare professional that believes vaccination carries much of a risk.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      I smell something here. Advil can kill if you already taking blood thinners, fish oil, or have stomach issues. Did they take into account the context here?

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        Since when do you care about context?

        A person with comorbidities is more likely to die due to a secondary disease or drug side effect. Even if there are comorbidities/risk factors, that does not change what caused death. It just means death is more likely.

        If one chooses to not get vaccinated and wear a mask, cause of death is not listed as ignorance or victim of misinformation.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    I am on Darwin’s side as well.

  • avatar
    NigelShiftright

    The appropriate alternative, if the citizens of those states do not like the policy, is for them to elect different governors and state legislatures.

    Full disclosure – I got the first two shots back in the summer. I have no intention of getting any “boosters”

  • avatar
    Daniel J

    I didn’t care for Trump, but twice Biden is trying to go against the supreme court. And who’s the authoritarian?

    If the people want mandates, then it needs to be done at the state, local, or community/business level.

    Fundamentally, I think the vaccines were very effective against the original few variants of Covid. A mandate in January of 2021 might have made some sense. As it stands now:

    1. Vaccines reduce symptons for the INDIVIDUAL.
    2. Vaccines DO NOT reduce the spread of the current Delta and Omicron variants.
    3. The argument that vaccines keep the hospitals open is a strawman since no one has ever mandated any other health condition that would reduce individuals likelyhood of hospitilization. If we want to keep healthcare systems open : Mandate BMI, cholesterol, A1C, no one can go hiking, no one can do anything RISKY at all to keep hospitals open.

    Of course, the talking heads see vaccination rates go up with mandates and say: “see the mandates work”.

    So is the point of mandates is COMPLIANCE or to REDUCE the spread of Covid? By all metrics, it should be the latter, but the left believes its the FORMER.

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    He has a plan

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    Glad to our Slavic poster once again advocating for the overthrow of the American political system (‘throw out these Supreme Court justices’), and spouting the same old disproved misinformation regarding vaccine efficacy, the status of the vaccines, etc.

    It truly is a shame that so many on the ‘conservative side’ of the American political spectrum have once again become as they were when McCarthyism was rampant ‘useful idiots’ advancing the agenda of those in the Kremlin.

    Under the current administration job creation is up, unemployment is again decreasing, the stock market is up, American cities are relatively quiet, and the crime/murder rate which spiked dramatically during the final years of the former administration is hopefully plateauing.

    Not one member of the current administration has been indicted or had to resign under the cloud of scandal.

    Yet some are still ignoring these facts. Yes Biden is not a ‘great’ president. Probably not even a ‘good’ one. But he is not, based on his current performance going to be ranked among the very worst of presidents, unlike the former guy.

    • 0 avatar
      kcflyer

      Mr. Dailey, seriously ?

      “Under the current administration job creation is up, unemployment is again decreasing, the stock market is up, American cities are relatively quiet, and the crime/murder rate which spiked dramatically during the final years of the former administration is hopefully plateauing.”

      The authoritarian government forced business without political clout to close last year and then paid employees more not to work than they could get working. So it should come as no surprise that ending those stupid anti American policies has resulted in more people working. But don’t credit sleepy joe for that . If it was up to his handlers those stupid policies would still be in place. The stock market up after trillions dumped into the economy, color me shocked. American cities are relatively quiet and you hope crime is down? Seriously, the only thing putting a damper on big city crime right now is sub zero temps. The Libs are doing all they can to reward criminal behavior.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        He is hallucinating.

        Because you know, unemployment is great in red states but not in blue

        Example 2021 jan-nov

        Connecticut
        8.1 8.5 8.3 8.1 7.7 7.9 7.3 7.2 6.8 6.4 6.0

        Florida
        4.8 4.7 4.7 4.8 4.9 5.0 5.1 5.0 4.9 4.6 4.5

        California
        9.0 8.5 8.3 8.3 7.9 7.7 7.6 7.5 7.5 7.3 6.9

        Kentucky
        5.3 5.2 5.0 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.4 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.1

        New Jersey
        7.9 7.8 7.7 7.5 7.2 7.3 7.3 7.2 7.1 7.0 6.6

        Alabama
        4.3 4 3.8 3.6 3.4 3.3 3.2 3.1 3.1 3.1 3.1

        Now all Biden did is assigned successes of local governors to his administration.

        Right, Arthur?

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    Wow. Quite the string of comments.

    Those who say, “the vaccines don’t work” are mistaken. My next door neighbors are two ER doctors who work with COVID patients and they have told me that virtually all those suffering serious problems with COVID are unvaccinated. That may be anecdotal evidence, but I believe the broader statistics agree.

    @SCE says COVID has a 2% fatality rate. This is very misleading as the death rates are highly dependent on age and co-morbidities. For children under 18, the risk is virtually 0, however the CDC is still pushing for children to be vaccinated, which makes me question their motives.

    I agree with the Supreme Court’s decision. I also support a private business’s right to mandate vaccines for their workers if they choose to.

    It’s unfortunate that the vaccines have become a political football. I trace this back to remarks made by Kamala Harris and Joe Biden during the 2020 presidential campaign when they said they would never trust a vaccine developed under Trump.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      We were told from our state run media and government officials including the director of the CDC that we must get the vaccine because “with each vaccinated person, the virus stops.”

      That was the standard they set. That was the bar they used to measure success. It was a lie and completely untrue (amongst all of the other lies and untruths they have peddled to us).

      So by their own metric, the vaccines do not work. Anecdotally, every single person that has had the Omicron sniffles has been vaccinated and some have had the boosters. They simply don’t work for the intended purpose.

      Yes they slightly minimize symptoms but that’s all.

      You mention how vaccines have become a political football. The reason why is because we have been lied to regarding How they work, the installed administration undermined the vaccines all throughout the campaign trail (as you noted) etc. When politics gets involved, then you cannot trust anything. Our government is made up of self serving frauds

      • 0 avatar
        Master Baiter

        ““with each vaccinated person, the virus stops.””

        I would agree that the vaccines don’t work as originally advertised, and they don’t provide permanent immunity like other vaccines we receive as children. That doesn’t mean they are not effective at preventing serious illness, particularly from the Alpha variant.

        When the information on the ground changes and evolves, thinking people must alter their conclusions.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “vaccines don’t work as originally advertised, and they don’t provide permanent immunity like other vaccines”

          Anti- vaxxer’s and most people don’t understand viruses. They are not a homogeneous species with the same traits.
          Some viruses mutate rapidly and unpredictability. That’s part of the reason why we haven’t see a vaccine for HIV.
          The vaccines we received in our youth IIRC are for viruses with stable replication patterns and we continue with vaccinations to keep case counts low.

          SARS-CoV-2 replicates quickly with a rudimentary “checkpoint” system. That means it WILL mutate over time. Omicron was first detected in Africa and Delta in India. India has a large densely packed populace with under 50% vaccinated. Africa is around 25%. Both areas are huge petri dishes of incubation.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Master Baiter,

          here is the thing about these specific vaccines – Most people do not need them. Old people, people with chronic conditions – sure. C19 was a scary enough thing to take the risk on it. However, these vaccines themselves are not very safe. Hence there is no reason gov must push them on people.
          And nobody can deny a revolving door that exists. Yes, exists between CDC and big pharma. And media. For example Reuters chair is also sitting on Pfizer board. Nobody can deny these facts. Or, how many times MSM has shows “brought to you by Pfizer”? – a lot.
          And on top of said, our rulers took completely tyrannical path – punishment for not complying with their demands. What is this, USSR? Meanwhile they also created a hysteria and literally made million of people neurotic. I mean, I live in suburban area and I see people in my development walk outside in masks and some even in gloves. And more often then not (now) as soon as I walk towards them, they step off the pedestrian walk into the road. This is mental illness.
          We can also add that our system did not do anything to discriminate, who needs vaccine and when. For example, not many people were actually checked if they had active infection before vaccination. They just vaccinate everyone – its free!!! In other words, there wasn’t much science, like checking how many antibodies person still has before boosting. In Austria right now they will also be mandating things. But they do take into account a natural immunity/antibodies. My uncle in Europe was tested before each shot for antibodies and active infection.
          Basically, out gov had another knee jerk reaction. They could call an emergency conference from most known virologists, immunologists, and let them make a plan. Instead, they just called-in all the activist doctors and presented them as “the only knowledgeable people” while shut down countering opinions.

    • 0 avatar
      SoCalMikester

      Biden said Americans should trust a coronavirus vaccine developed under the Trump administration only if the president gives “honest answers” to questions about its safety, effectiveness and equitable distribution. “I trust vaccines. I trust scientists. But I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. “And at this point, the American people can’t, either.”

      • 0 avatar
        JD-Shifty

        “Biden said Americans should trust a coronavirus vaccine developed under the Trump administration only if the president gives “honest answers” to questions about its safety, effectiveness and equitable distribution. “I trust vaccines. I trust scientists. But I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. “And at this point, the American people can’t, either.””

        you act like trump had a hand in developing the vaccine. all he did was pre buy it. then he lied about how dangerous covid was.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Giving Rump credit for the vaccines is asinine. The EU and UK along with Russia and China came out with vaccines.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “ Giving Rump credit for the vaccines is asinine. The EU and UK along with Russia and China came out with vaccines.”

            Ah yes let’s give China credit. I’m sure they did have a vaccine. After all they manufactured it and released it.

            But let’s ignore that part because we have to be nice to China. If we speak truthfully about that country we are racist right?

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “ “I trust vaccines. I trust scientists. But I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. “And at this point, the American people can’t, either.”

        Oh now you want to play the word game where you take the literal meaning of his words and completely ignore what’s implied. Very cute.

        Just admit it, their entire campaign was spent undermining the vaccine by undermining the president that handed them three vaccines, a secure border, a roaring economy, etc.

        But let’s take President Trump out of the equation. Under Brandon, more people have died from Covid, we were told that the virus STOPS with each vaccinated person, we were told Brandon has a plan to eliminate Covid, masks work, the vaccines work, etc.

        It’s was/is all lies.

        • 0 avatar
          JD-Shifty

          in case you haven’t noticed 90 percent or so of the deaths are occurring to the unvaxxed. And the right wing has weaponized vaccinations letting their base die to burn down the economy.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Phew its a good thing none of that is true, but don’t worry you’ll get your turn soon.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “in case you haven’t noticed 90 percent or so of the deaths are occurring to the unvaxxed. And the right wing has weaponized vaccinations letting their base die to burn down the economy.”

            Wow. You really do hate facts don’t you?

            First off, no, 90% of deaths are not unvaccinated. But please tell me, in a cold that has a 99.997% survival rate, what percentage of those dying have the known comorbidities that also contribute to death.

            Further, it’s interesting how you libs will wish death upon the unvaxxed (as if it’s ANY of your business what others choose to do) but then throw tantrums because the unvaxxed are dying. It’s also interesting how you have switched from number of cases (which was the argument under President Trump…masks and the vaccine MUST BE FORCED upon people because we have to stop the spread) but now that Brandon is the installed “president”, cases are out of control, and he has absolutely no idea what he is doing (despite promising he was going to “shut down the virus”, the argument has changed from “the vaccines stop the virus” to “the vaccines stops you from being hospitalized (which it doesn’t and despite the omicron variant being nothing more than a mild cold and having less hospitalizations than the other variants).

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @MattDahlquist: It’s not a cold. Can’t you get that. There’s no Brandon either. The increased death rate has nothing to do with Biden.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          EBFlex

          you still call them “libs” while they are fascists. Libs would say – everyone does what they do. These people are totalitarian and faschists.

          All we ask them to do is to LEAVE US ALONE

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        https://youtu.be/NmTPmA9hHVE
        https://youtu.be/Q4rCW2_v-5w
        https://youtu.be/UGyYhaTgoX8
        https://twitter.com/i/status/1416094954603044864

        several interesting points about these videos

        1 – Both – Joe and Kamala admitted that Donald Trump “developed” vaccine
        2 – Both say “I wouldn’t take vaccine”
        3 – Biden thanks “Warp speed”
        4 – Trump was right – Biden will destroy this country

        Biden:
        “who would want to take the shot?”
        “If the president [Trump] announces tomorrow – we have a vaccine; would you take it?”

    • 0 avatar
      xtoyota

      Only STUPID people get their information from the internet.

      Trust but verify is the only way to get the real info. certinaly not the internet

  • avatar
    mcs

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/12/jen-psaki/data-suggests-unvaccinated-are-20-times-more-likel/

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Absolute nonsense. But you gotta love how the narrative changed from the Brandon administration.

      First it was “you must get vaccinated to stop the spread because with each vaccinated person, the virus stops”. They NEVER said people need to get vaccinated to simply reduce symptoms (which how do you reduce from the sniffles?)

      Now, when the lie that the vaccines work and stop the virus blew up in their face, they pivoted and are now saying everyone must get vaccinated because it will reduce the very mild symptoms.

      And they completely ignored the fact that masks don’t work (JUST NOW they admitting masks they encouraged us to wear don’t work) because if masks work, there’s no need for the vaccine. And if the vaccine worked, then there is no need for masks.

      Remember when Brandon said that if you’re vaccinated you don’t have to wear a mask? Because the vaccine stops the virus. That’s why he said that. Oops yet ANOTHER lie.

      And because of their lies, more people have dies with Brandon at the helm than President Trump. And what did Brandon say during a debate…”anyone who is responsible for 220,000 deaths from COVID should not be president.” Well Brandon, you are responsible for 630K. By his own words he should step down.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      please, no politifact “fact checks”. These fact checkers are activists twisting the truth.

  • avatar
    JD-Shifty

    If these antivaxxers don’t trust the medicine or science that created the Covid vaccines, they sure as hell shouldn’t be trusting that same medicine and science they are treating Covid with.

    To ease the pressure on hospitals and our Healthcare workers, they need to rehire antivaxx doctors and nurses and let them hand out ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, bleach with shot glasses, UV lights, etc, then send them on their way. After all, they really don’t want to go into a hospital, doctors kill people there, right?

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2022/01/14/mass-reports-12864-new-covid-19-cases-64-new-deaths/

      Jan 14 – MA
      Hospitalized patients: 3,223
      Hospitalized patients who are fully vaccinated: 1,547

      You see, ~50% are fully vaccinated. And there is no data on % of partially vaccinated

      And then check this – the average age of a dying C19 patient = 73
      And considering that infections are totally under reported, the chance of dying for a relatively healthy person is close to ZERO

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        Context is everything:

        “Between 25 percent to 43 percent of fully vaccinated patients at major Massachusetts hospitals tested positive for COVID-19 in the week ending Dec. 10, WBUR reports.

        The main reason for hospitalization was not related to COVID-19 in a few of these cases, and overall, the majority of hospitalized COVID-19 cases across the state’s largest hospitals, or about 75 percent, were among unvaccinated patients, according to hospital data provided to the news outlet. The rate of hospitalization among all vaccinated Massachusetts residents is .05 percent.

        At Boston-based Mass General Brigham, a daily census taken during the week of Dec. 6 found 30 percent of COVID-19 patients were vaccinated.

        “Here we are in one of the most vaccinated states in the country dealing with another surge of COVID,” Eric Dickson, MD, president and CEO of UMass Memorial Health, told WBUR. “The only way that could really happen is if there’s waning immunity from the vaccines that most of us received last year, and that’s clearly happening,” he said, emphasizing the need for an uptake in booster shots and avoiding large crowds.

        About 40 percent of COVID-19 patients at Worcester-based UMass Memorial Health had been vaccinated, according to a daily survey taken the week of Dec. 6

        Still, the math indicates unvaccinated people are at a much higher risk of being hospitalized from COVID-19, said Ellie Murray, an assistant professor of epidemiology at Boston University School of Public Health.

        “Despite fewer than 13 percent of adult Massachusetts residents being completely unvaccinated, the unvaccinated individuals make up 57 percent to 75 percent of hospitalized COVID cases,” Ms. Murray told WBUR. “When viewed from that perspective, we can see that unvaccinated people are much more at risk of being hospitalized from COVID than vaccinated people.”

        Statewide, about 73 percent of residents are fully vaccinated, while 87 percent, including eligible children, have received at least their first dose.”

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        Context is everything:

        “Despite fewer than 13 percent of adult Massachusetts residents being completely unvaccinated, the unvaccinated individuals make up 57 percent to 75 percent of hospitalized COVID cases,” Ms. Murray told WBUR. “When viewed from that perspective, we can see that unvaccinated people are much more at risk of being hospitalized from COVID than vaccinated people.”

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “Last week, unvaccinated individuals were 31x more likely to be infected with COVID than boosted individuals”

        https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-cases-among-fully-vaccinated-individuals-in-massachusetts/download

        @Slavuto
        I love it when twits like you make those kinds of posts with links. More often then not, a bit of scratching below the sure face and it proves you wrong.

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “the majority of hospitalized COVID-19 cases across the state’s largest hospitals, or about 75 percent, were among unvaccinated patients”

          “Despite fewer than 13 percent of adult Massachusetts residents being completely unvaccinated, the unvaccinated individuals make up 57 percent to 75 percent of hospitalized COVID cases”

          57% or 75%. Whatever though, just trust our highly manipulated numbers.

          Like New Your that just now started separating patients at the hospital WITH the Omicron sniffles vs patients that went to the hospital BECAUSE of omicron sniffles.

          Prior to that, if you went to the hospital for treatment for a broken arm and you happen to have the covid cold, it was counted as a new case.

          But let’s blindly trust the government that has lied and deceived us throughout this entire ordeal.

          Remember the biggest lies: “The virus stops with every vaccinated person”

          “Masks work. And if you are vaccinated you don’t have to wear a mask because the vaccine stops transmission.”

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @ebflex: The vaccines have worked and have been effective at reducing the severity of the disease. Again, it’s more than just the sniffles for unvaccinated patients. Just wondering if you’ve been vaccinated? Probably have. Just like you complain about Ford, but have one of their motors in your boat and recommend that Cottage Grove buy Ford trucks. Biggest hypocrite in Minnesota.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            No. The vaccines do not work as indicated by the goal set fourth by the Brandon administration. They said the vaccines would stop the spread. That was false and a lie.

            For the vast majority of people both vaccinated and unvaccinated, omicron is the sniffles and maybe a cough. Nothing more

            Lastly, I have no idea what the last part of your comment means. Of my three boats, two have GM engines and one is an outboard.

            I’m not sure what Cottage Grove Minnesota is or why I would be telling them what to buy. I certainly wouldn’t tell them to buy Ford though. I wouldn’t even tell an enemy to buy Ford. Your lies are so transparent. Much like Brandon you are a habitual liar.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            Again, the vaccines are effective and have been proven.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            Then why has case numbers exploded over the past 2 months?

            We were told the vaccines would stop the spread. Has it?

  • avatar
    JD-Shifty


    Then why has case numbers exploded over the past 2 months?

    We were told the vaccines would stop the spread. Has it?”

    Omicron is more contagious. you should read about it.

    The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the severity and death and help to keep the hospitals from being over run.

    Hope this helps you

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      @JDShifty: A couple of South African stuidies show Omicron has higher asymptomatic carriage which could be another factor in its spread.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      “Omicron is more contagious. you should read about it.”

      Yeah and consists of the sniffles and a sore throat but please continue with the fear porn.

      “The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the severity and death and help to keep the hospitals from being over run.”

      No, we were told it would stop the spread. They didn’t say ANYTHING about mitigating the sniffles and death. That is why Brandon said if you get vaccinated, you DON’T have to wear a mask…because “with every vaccinated person, the virus stops”.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Hospitals overrun?
      In my area 2 hospitals closing down this month. Thanks to o’Bama “care”, we have thousands less hospitals in US today (while population is growing).

      This is what happens when you put Kenyan community organizer in charge of American healthcare.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      Sure am glad the Administration had a plan!

  • avatar
    mcs

    “Almost All Teens in ICU With COVID Were Unvaccinated, Study Shows”

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/966679

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      ya-ya-ya
      Thanks for giving a link to a closed material… But since in the visible part it said, materials are based on the New England Med Journal, I vent there, found the study.

      “Among the case patients, the median age was 16 years, 74% had at least one underlying condition (including obesity), … Among the controls, the median age was 15 years, 70% had at least one underlying condition…”

      A-ha!!! This study was made on many children witch medical issues. And unfortunately they don’t tell, which ones died. What issues they had. Obesity is told to be the important issue with Covid.

      And of course, the study is by Dr Patel, from CDC. Hey – thanks a lot. CDC is disqualified.

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