By on May 18, 2021

President Biden. Image: Ford

There are lots of pros to being the president of the United States. There are also many cons. To me, two of the biggest drawbacks would be the ever-present threat of assassination and having to give up driving forever.

Well, the current commander-in-chief is a car guy, and President Joe Biden reminded us of his automotive bona fides while giving Ford a nice PR boost. He did so by toolin’ around in a truck.

More specifically, the upcoming Ford F-150 Lightning.

Biden was in Dearborn, Michigan to tout his infrastructure plan, dubbed the American Jobs Plan, and to talk up the future of electric vehicles — and how America needs to beat China at the EV game.

Part of his plan includes government assistance via tax credits to help establish EV and battery production in the States, more incentives for consumers to buy EVs, more focus on electrifying the medium- and heavy-duty truck fleet, more EV charging stations, and upgrades to the electric grid.

Coincidentally, I was just down I-94, leaving Ann Arbor after sampling the Volkswagen Taos. Perhaps I should’ve headed east instead of west and crashed this shindig?

The Lightning won’t even be officially unveiled until tomorrow — though one was parked, uncovered, in the background — but like a buff-book journalist on a long-lead media drive, Biden got an early chance at driving the truck.

He even provided a review, saying “this sucker’s quick.” Maybe Biden wants to trade the White House Resolute Desk for a home office and a car reviewer’s salary?

If so, my editorial feedback is this: Concise, Joe, but far short of our minimum word count for a review. Still, if you find yourself unemployed in 2025, TTAC does welcome pitches.

That is, if the rules change and ex-presidents are allowed to drive again.

[Image: Ford]

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124 Comments on “President Biden Goes Truckin’ With Ford...”


  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    Hmmm….Joe Biden and Ford.

    Is TTAC trolling @ebflex?

    LOL

  • avatar
    swester

    Even though my cynical side sees this basically as confirming The Onion’s classic portrayal of Uncle “Trans-Am” Biden, my inner child has to admit: it’s pretty damn cool to see a president flooring it and actually appreciating the experience in a way only a car lover would.

    • 0 avatar
      Dave M.

      While he may not have been a motorhead, Seinfeld’s “Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee” with Obama was pretty hysterical. The Secret Service limiting their travel to the White House driveway was classic.

    • 0 avatar
      Mike Beranek

      Biden’s hot rod is a ’67 ‘Vette, not a Trans Am.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I find it kind of refreshing that we have a president who can engage in this kind of silly photo-op s*it, like every other president in modern times has, without saying something monumentally stupid or going off on some half-baked, head-scratching rant. I’ll call it progress.

      • 0 avatar
        Rick T.

        You mean like joking about running over a journalist for asking a real question?

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “I find it kind of refreshing that we have a president who can engage in this kind of silly photo-op s*it, like every other president in modern times has, without saying something monumentally stupid or going off on some half-baked, head-scratching rant. I’ll call it progress.”

        Progress? He wasn’t even driving. They disconnected the steering wheel that he was holding.

        Like everything with this president, this is yet another fraud. Pretty bad when he can’t even be trusted to drive the thing a couple hundred feet.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    “two of the biggest drawbacks would be the ever-present threat of assassination and having to give up driving forever.”

    I think Nixon was driving in Camp David and I can’t imagine why there wouldn’t be somewhere in a secured location a president could drive if he wished.

    https://europebetweeneastandwest.wordpress.com/tag/nixon-brezhnev-driving-at-camp-david/

    I’d also add this president should worry far less than some predecessors about an assassination. For starters the people who do the assassinations are the ones who installed him and outside of a few comments/ideas of his own he seems to be doing everything they want. Randos who might want him gone would then have to contend with an even worse president who unlike him is quite with it and would then have the excuse, inclination AND desire to go full Stalin. Biden was selected as Vice President in part because before his health declined he was a respected centrist (and kind of a doofus at times) but very much a hard ass deep down. Had Obama gone down, you can be damn sure Biden would have made it personal and have no compunction becoming a dictator with anyone questioning/trying to stop him being bombarded with “Obama the martyr” (kinda like how the Covidiots toss “scarrryyy virruuuss peopleeee dyinggg” at absolutely anything they don’t like no matter the facts). Have you noticed ever since 9/11 the Executive Branch keeps gaining more and more authority? This is not by accident.

    Did you know the state of emergency declared by Bush on Sept 14, 2001 is ***still in effect*** and has been renewed by every president most recently by Trump last September?

    https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/09/11/2020-20312/continuation-of-the-national-emergency-with-respect-to-certain-terrorist-attacks

    Nothing to see here folks, keep moving.

    • 0 avatar

      He can not go “full Stalin”, because he is not as smart as Stalin, not even close. Stalin was the greatest puppet master in human history and Mr.”B’ is a just an ordinary puppet, kind of American Pinocchio.

      • 0 avatar
        JD-Shifty

        Nice world salad, “tucker”.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        Inside Looking Out,

        “He can not go “full Stalin”, because he is not as smart as Stalin”

        True. That might be comforting of he was really the one in charge. I see they are really pumping up the Jan 6 “insurrection” myth. They are also claiming that anyone who thinks the 2020 presidential election wasn’t totally honest is a threat to the democracy. Sounds like they’re getting ready for some population right-sizing. Should be an interesting year.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “thinks the 2020 presidential election wasn’t totally honest”

          LOL

          That’s quite the spin.

          The trumpublicans claim that the election was stolen and/or a complete fraud.

          Where’s the evidence?

          I’m not gonna wait for your evidence since there isn’t any.

          • 0 avatar
            Dave M.

            Let the keyboard warriors of Mealteam 6 have their fun. It keeps them occupied, like eating paste. Let’s the rest of us continue to embrace a future that gets brighter everyday.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            Lou_BC,

            “Where’s the evidence?”

            I think I made the mistake of watching part of a video from ABC or MSNBC; and they were talking about how people who doubted the election was completely honest were leading people to distrust our system of democracy. And, therefore, they were a threat to the democratic system. Slightly wobbly logic at best.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “I think I made the mistake of watching part of a video from ABC or MSNBC; and they were talking about how people who doubted the election was completely honest were leading people to distrust our system of democracy. And, therefore, they were a threat to the democratic system. Slightly wobbly logic at best.”

            See what happens when someone asks for proof? They get more BS.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            “Where’s the evidence? ”

            Multiple counties reversed machine counts after re-counts, reverting the results.
            The evidence is there. They just don’t want to dig out ALL of it. Because that will uncover a major fraud.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Slavuta thinks elections in America work like they do in Putin’s Russia.

            Elections in America are run by local election officials and every bit of the process is watched over by observers of both parties. If there were widespread fraud, there would be literally no way to bury it; the observers would scream bloody murder as they saw it. So, in terms of election problems, what you see is what you get. And all 60+ of the courts that the Trump campaign dragooned into their pathetic attempt to overturn a decisive election knew that, and acted accordingly.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @dal:

            So far, the “evidence” is stuff like “in Waxahachie County, a man with a Biden hat was seen on video going into election headquarters and stealing 100 ballots.” This gets hyped up on social media, and all the sudden, it’s “evidence of fraud.”

            Nonsense like that is what the “fraudulent election” crowd is pushing.

            Am I convinced the election was 100% fraud free. But NO election is EVER 100% fraud free. And I guarantee you no shortage of the fraud went AGAINST Biden. That’s how it works.

          • 0 avatar
            Dartdude

            What’s with you guys. If you steal elections in a few key states you can win. Democraps changed the voting rules in some states to make fraud easier.
            Thus the new puppet president, senile joe.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            Lou_BC,

            “Where’s the evidence?”

            I think I’m gonna get you a tee shirt with that printed on it.

            I didn’t say anything about whether the election was honest or not. I was referring, rather, to the strange assertion that is being made that anyone who doubts the accuracy of the results is somehow an “extremist” or some sort of enemy of the people. Personally, as far as the accuracy of the election results I don’t give a rats behind. It’s history.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “They are also claiming that anyone who thinks the 2020 presidential election wasn’t totally honest is a threat to the democracy.”

          I’d say such a person is just comically misinformed and/or delusional, and poses no threat by him or herself.

          The threat to democracy comes when there are tens of millions of said comically misinformed and/or delusional folks out there who still buy into that nonsense despite having no proof.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            FreedMike,

            “comically misinformed and/or delusional”

            So, having one’s own opinion is “comically misinformed and/or/delusional.” You guys are a hoot.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Ah, so it’s my fault for calling out opinions out that make zero sense, and have zero proof behind them. Got it!

            Next up: I voice the opinion that water flouridation is a massive conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. Be sure to give that opinion the due respect it deserves. And if you ridicule it, I’m going to put the blame back on you for…what, precisely? Pointing out that said opinion makes zero sense? How rude.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            FreedMike,

            I really wasn’t interested in another did not/did too/did not…session. As far as I’m concerned the 2020 presidential election is what is. The chance of an actual investigation is nil.

            What I was trying to talk about was the allegation that people not believing the election was 100% accurate are some kind of threat.

            But, I suppose it’s time all those on the right accept the 2020 election as a done deal as gracefully as those on the left accepted the 2016 pres. election:-)

            Me, I don’t bloody much care. The election will stay as it is. There will not be an investigation. So, fug it….ancient history.

            The best that seems to be possible out of Washington DC is as little action as possible. So, it’s good when neither the dems nor the reps can push their agenda. Unfortunately now one side is reaching critical mass in terms of control. And, part of the way they are gaining ascendancy is by demonizing their opponents, hence the claim that not believing the “official story” is somehow a threat or “extremism.” Guaranteed bad news.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “Demonization.” Hmmm…interesting. I see your “strategy”.

            When someone calls out a ridiculous opinion, you make it into a critique of the person calling out the ridiculous opinion. And then the person with the ridiculous opinion becomes the victim.

            Fair enough, as long as you don’t have a valid point to make.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Old_WRX

          Democracy sucks. Churchill knew it. Unlimited democracy is a quick way to destroy an empire. Watch, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, Japan will live passed of current form USA

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            slavuta,

            “Democracy sucks.”

            The rule of the many un/misinformed? What could be better. I’ve heard it said that benign monarchy would be the best form of government. As it is with “democracy” the politicians usually don’t want to do anything that would lessen their chance of reelection.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @oldwrx:

            “The rule of the many un/misinformed?”

            Physician, heal thyself.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          old_wrx

          what Stalin? He did not drive this truck. Guy on the right drove it!!
          https://youtu.be/SObtBUTfvLM?t=299

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      What do you believe Kamala Harris would do that would constitute “full Stalin?” Be specific.

      As a reminder, Stalin directly killed around 4 million Soviet citizens and caused the deaths of at least that many more with an artificial famine. That is part of “Full Stalin.”

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “full Stalin”

        To them, that’s anything left of Rush Limbaugh.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          These guys wouldn’t know real communism if it came up and asked them to join a commune.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          “To them, that’s anything left of Rush Limbaugh.”

          I’d say more like anything left of Tulsi Gabard.

          And, just for the record: I can’t stomach Limbaugh.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Tulsi Gabbard is a kook whose ideology, to the extent you can discern what it is, seems mostly to be in the service of Modi-style Hindu nationalism.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Stalin’s regime probably killed more that 4m people. But “artificial famine” is a myth. And this myth was created in the US. I mean, famine was there, but “artificial” part comes from US

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          Stalin’s attempt to collectivize agriculture created the food shortage. And it was his decision to concentrate the bulk of the effects from the shortage on Ukraine. Without Stalin, 5+M Ukrainians would not have died of famine.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Don’t bother, dal.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            I had a bad day at work yesterday and am in a fighting mood this morning. Might as well take it out on a Trumpist/Putinist troll.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Sorry to hear that Dal, take your Legend out when you get home. Its got a moonroof right? Open it up and cruise for an hour along the ocean with some good music. I would recommend:

            youtube.com/watch?v=YhSQmvMP4vk

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Yes, collectivization wracked the agriculture. But famine was a byproduct of that + peasant wars that ensued. There wasn’t any intent to kill “Ukrainians”. Why did they send the “Kulaks” to Sibera and would want to kill those who they supposedly liberate from them? Why not opposite? – kill the kulaks?

            Famine touched Ukraine, Russia and Kazakhstan in the same way. And “Ukraine” that you’re talking about was actually parts of Russia from which Ukrainian SSR was created, and the people who lived there were Russians.

            This is the biggest myth, and a lie that 5 million “Ukrainians” died. Wait, where did you get that number? Another book written in America? Why not 10, 8 million? I’ve heard people call that number also. The only fact we know is that nobody knows. You can only estimate. But if you look at population growth which can be somewhat accurate because it is done by censuses, you can see that between 1930 and 1938 Ukrainian SSR population grew by 10 million. This is damn good number for the harsh conditions of Stalin’s regime. Post USSR Ukraine went from 50M to about 36M currently. Don’t you think, decline of population is the great measure of how “well” country is doing?

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          slavuta,

          “And this myth was created in the US.”

          Don’t you know that we Americans know more about Soviet history than you could possibly ever know? :-)

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WRX

            America is great at twisting history. My son recently told me that Union started a war with Confederates to free the slaves. We’re living in the post-Truth world.
            And I tell you, America learned this from Soviets. Soviets presented every terror act as act of liberation from oppressing capitalists. – Don’t take that literally. But Pravda always twisted the truth.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            1. Unfortunately pure automotive articles are now pulling relatively few posts in comparison to political posts.
            2. As President one of the best ways to protect your life is to have a VP that few wish to see ‘take charge’.
            3. Our Kremlin defender is once again spouting misinformation. For example despite what the Kremlin says Ukrainians are different ethnically, linguistically and in religion from Russians. A Russian born in the Ukraine is not an ethnic Ukrainian.

          • 0 avatar

            The history changed a lot during 2020. Who discovered America? Amerigo Vespucci or Columbus? No. May be natives or Vikings? No. Chinese or Russians? No, The right answer is: the Bureau of Land Management. Therefore Amerigo Vespucci and Columbus were canceled from history books and films.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WRX,

            I think, what is happening is way more WOKE than Iosif Vissarionovich had it. I think a lot of woke stuff we have here would not fly in Stalin’s time. For example, a doctor like Faucci would be executed after first 2 wrong predictions. Andrew Cuomo – same. Other things that wouldn’t fly I can’t even describe here.
            Stalin was far looking dude. He banned cybernetics. He knew that automation is bad. Where would he do with all the POWs and GULAG prisoners? And that it is addictive to children, etc

            But he was a fun guy. Very witted. When Polish delegation after WW2 came to Moscow, they asked Stalin to give Lviv back to Poland pointing that “Lviv never was a part of Russian Empire”. For which Stalin answered, “but Warsaw was..”

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          “A Russian born in the Ukraine is not an ethnic Ukrainian.”

          Thank you Arthur! Perfect!
          Let me continue..
          And since largest part of Ukrainian SSR (Ukraine did not exist back then) as of 1933 was attached to this Soviet republic from R.S.F.S.R (or shortly – Russia), and because famine was enveloping mostly eastern U.SSR and South RSFSR, most people who lived there were Russians, just as you point it out.

          Thank you for clarifying and supporting my point. And the bottom line here is that Stalin did not kill Ukrainians, most people who died were Russians who ended up on the territory that today belongs to Ukraine, the country that never existed prior to 1991. So-called Ukrainians lived in Poland, Slovakia, and Russian Empire. Bolsheviks forced Ukrainization of Russians, forced Ukrainian language on them (derivation of Polish-Slovak, old Slavonic). There are old newspapers cutouts where it says, “we hire managers who speaks Ukrainian. If you don’t, you can only be a worker”. And this is on the territory that just belonged to Russia yesterday.

          I can continue here that at that time, these people not only were Russians but also associated themselves with Russia. But over the years, over generations, there was a certain level of Ukrainization and many people in this area today call themselves Ukrainians but they speak Russian.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            slavuta,

            “And I tell you, America learned this from Soviets. Soviets presented every terror act as act of liberation from oppressing capitalists.”

            Yes, every act of terrorism is somehow liberating someone oppressed. The filthy mendacity. I’ve read enough about the USSR and particularly about old Iosef Visiaronivich (sp?) to recognize the method. We also now have our own versions (all that woke stuff) of “if you don’t do what I tell you to do then you are hurting everyone!” Did I mention that it’s all filthy mendacity? It’s been coming here for quite a while. One of the big pilot projects in terms of promoting this kind of thinking was the big anti-tobacco campaign of (I think) the 1990’s. It was a brilliant choice — how could anyone argue with it? Easily is the answer, but no one would hear you. And, if you did argue against it you would either be insane or hurting everyone. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        dal,

        just for you

        7 million
        https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.timetoast.com/public/uploads/photos/11128573/Femine.jpg

        10 million
        http://holodomorrow.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/3/5/19354523/8232460_orig.jpg

        6 million
        https://image.slidesharecdn.com/holodomor-151113013458-lva1-app6891/95/holodomor-4-638.jpg

        This is good read for you from Ukraine http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/27/holodomor-victims-death-toll-stalin-famine-ukraine-estimates/

        And this is from Ukraine gov http://database.ukrcensus.gov.ua/PXWEB2007/eng/img/hist2010_1.gif

        So, even with famine, kulaks deported and many others run to Poland, etc, population was still growing. Think about it!

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      FreedMike,

      “fluoridation”

      I just use an activated carbon filter for drinking/ cooking water. Problem solved.

    • 0 avatar
      Rick T.

      Kamala is his insurance policy as he was Obama’s.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        If only. Obama was in general good health and the only way the Biden policy got cashed was due to unforeseen circumstances. Biden is not in general good health and there’s at least a 50/50 shot the Kamala policy gets cashed and this was not done by accident. They attached their preferred demagogue to this demented old man because they are taking the succession side of the trade. She only polled something like 4% in her own party’s primary and thus had zero chance to win the nomination let alone a real election. That’s what the Bolsheviks really think of their supporters, no different than the Hillary/Bernie thing in 2016. The ordinary Dims wanted Bernie, the apparatchiks already selected Hillary before the primaries and used the super-delegates to secure the nomination. Bernie is/was either controlled opposition within the Party or he understands how things really work and he’s genuinely afraid of opposing them.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      FreedMike,

      “When someone calls out a ridiculous opinion, you make it into a critique of the person calling out the ridiculous opinion.”

      That’s not my strategy — never has been; never will be. That’s what the left is doing. They label anyone who doesn’t hold the right opinions (=their opinions) “extremist” and “dangerous.” Maybe if they said “counter revolutionary” and “revisionist” you’d be more likely to recognize the strategy. The game is to claim that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow “an enemy of the people.” That’s demonization. It’s a means used by tyrants to eliminate free speech and even free thought.

  • avatar
    Ol Shel

    I was in a salvage yard last week when I was informed by a fairly well-to-do local that Joe Biden was going to implant us with chips, and that he would outlaw all private business.

    And this guy was free to travel, own weapons, and interact with others.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    A fake president driving a fake truck. How ironic. And are we really going to promote a dementia patient recklessly driving a vehicle like this?

    As for the F-150 Mach E…..well it’s another let down. The 2021 refresh is ugly enough but the F-150 Mach E is even worse. They couldn’t even be bothered to fit fog lights to it. I guess that’s what happens when you have a company filled with mediocre designers coming up with a compliance vehicle who’s sole mission is to generate headlines.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    Alternative headline: “U.S. President Drives Mule”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_mule

    (Ford electric F-series: Not only quick, but it can tow 1.25 million pounds)

  • avatar
    RHD

    What passes for political commentary in this country (and on this website) is really pathetic.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      At this point, the political divide in this country is no longer left/right; it’s people who consume roughly factual information vs. people who are totally down the misinformation rabbit hole. The latter describes some number of people on the left (e.g., people who follow Shaun King or Louise Mensch) but it is alarming how much of the right it describes, to the point where people who have hard-right views but are still basing their politics on truthful information are being systematically purged from the Republican Party.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        At the core, the divide is basically the same as it has always been when you get down to it…Those that produce and contribute and the societal leeches that seek to exist based off of the contributions of the producers and contributers.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          Do you believe that people too young, old, and disabled to work are “leeches?”

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Young as in children? Of cours not. Old? Depends. Disabled? No. Taking care of those is part of what a civilized saociety does (Though having children is an individual decision that should place a minimal burden on society as a whole. Most of that burden should fall to the parents especially given the nation’s laws governing reproductive rights).

            But you know good and well that is not what sane people are referring to in tis debate.

            Children, the disabled and the elderly arent the ones heading to the polls to vote themselves more of the fruits of other’s labor for the most part. The types clamoring for a 4th stimulus in spite of the hiring floodgates now being opened.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Art:

            I’m kind of with you on the last point, but keep in mind the work that is being “clamored” for is of the low-paid variety, or skilled labor, and that might not be an instant fit for a lot of the folks who’ve been out of work.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            But it is the people in those jobs that were effected in the largest numbers. It makes sense that now most of those are the ones doing the hiring. Additionally if you were in a higher paying position and were let go it is less likely that the 300 extra bucks a week is keeping you from returning to work as your skillset would likely net you more by returning to work than even the enhanced unemployment is paying you.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          The American political system was during the heyday of America reliant on compromise.

          Ike being the prime example.

          Due to pollsters, and political backroom hacks the focus has become ensuring that you have 100% support from your hardcore and get them out to vote. The mushy middle are largely apathetic.

          And fact has little to do with swaying voters. America has always had an anti-intellectual strain, emanating largely from the Confederacy. And the Confederacy also created a false narrative that has seeped into mainstream American thought.

          Those factors combined with the rise of social media have made it much easier to mislead American voters.

    • 0 avatar
      teddyc73

      The way people of this country vote is pathetic. 70+ million voted for an elderly man with dementia and a woman with no qualifications instead of a man who was doing extraordinarily good things for this country which benefited all of the citizens. It’s remarkable how dumb a large of our country has become.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        This inconceivably stupid “no qualifications” talking point lays bare that the right thinks the main qualification for leadership is being white and male.

        Kamala Harris has been a U.S. Senator, the elected Attorney General of the biggest state in the Union, and a prosecutor in one of the country’s biggest cities. That is far more qualifications than the previous guy had when he cane to office. He had never once served in government, either civilian or military, and was the first president in our history not to have done so.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          dal20402,

          “the right thinks the main qualification for leadership is being white and male.”

          No. You really need to check who Trump has picked would be his VP if he runs in 2024.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Last I heard (a couple weeks ago) he was saying nice things about the very white, very male Ron DeSantis.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        So…people who vote differently than you do are dumb and pathetic. Got it.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          We use all sorts of dumb stuff to measure intelligence. At the end of the day the only worthwhile metric is how much is your time worth to someone else to perform a task or solve a problem for them? Money talks…BS Walks.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    I hope Joe test drives the *other* American electric trucks, like GM, Tesla, Rivian, and so on.

    • 0 avatar
      Imagefont

      None of us will still have a drivers license by the time Rivian or especially Tesla deliver an actual truck to the market. Tesla’s Cybertruck show car was just a joke but no one caught on.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    “…government assistance via tax credits to help establish EV and battery production in the States…”

    Worked real well with solar panels under Obama. Anyone remember Solyndra?

    These schemes are bound to fail because the skill set needed to secure government funding is not the same skill set needed to build a worthwhile product.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      “…the skill set needed to secure government funding is not the same skill set needed to build a worthwhile product.”

      Someone’s mad he didn’t buy Tesla stock, I see…

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        Anyone with a skillset to navigate government regulations and red tape should be capable of accomplishing anything. I’m fighting with bureaucrats that can’t even understand their own regulations. I’ve learned to use the line “point me to the specific section of the CFR detailing the requirement and I will be happy to comply”. They can’t.

        Tesla and Musk prove my point. They’ve mastered government regulations, and gone on to accomplishments in aerospace that established firms and even governments can’t match.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          No, mcs, you’re wrong. Any company that took advantage of tax credits or government funding to grow is communistic, anti-American and deserves to be burned to the ground.

          Unless, of course, said company produces oil. Those can stay un-burned.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      I would go even further. Any company that receives gov. subsidy can’t donate campaign money. Any individual receiving gov. assistance, can’t vote.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        Not many voters left then. About the only people who could vote would be high-income (no healthcare subsidies) young (no tax-advantaged retirement savings) renters (no mortgage interest deduction) without children (no refundable child tax credit or 529) and without student loans (no student loan interest credit or deduction).

        Somehow I don’t think you’d like the outcome if those were the only voters. (Hint: people who fit that description are mostly urban and quite solidly Democratic.)

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          But now it sounds like original Greece democracy. Lets try it

        • 0 avatar
          Imagefont

          Wow. I guess I’d be the only guy voting. You wouldn’t like the new world order!

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          Then do away with all of your tax code subsidies and simplify the tax code to a percentage of the income earned over a year, be it earned through traditional wages, stock earnings, selling a home, flying drugs in from South America…whatever. No subsidies in that respect. Then look at Slavuta’s suggestion.

          Frankly the tax code should be in the business of funding the government. I don’t know why things like the mortgage interest deduction, deduction for your state taxes, child tax credit, or other things meant to influence behavior exist anyway…my living arangements are my choice and my concern.

          I will say however, that even in taking every tax credit I can find I am still a net payer by a substantial margin as are my suburban neighbors so I’m not sure what the consternantion is there.

          I am pretty sure that Slavuta is talking Welfare, EBT and the like and that is fine. But I think that is a seperate arguement. He neglects the people that through various credits and rebates get back more than they paid throughout the course of the year. I am not sure that what he proposes is the answer, but I think an arguement can be made on his point based on one being a net payer or a net taker. People already making out being allowed to vote themselves more of the fruits of other people’s labor is worthy of discussion.

          God knows I am no Slavuta fan, but the madness of our tax code needs looked at. Honestly I’d settle for one not being able to go below zero for tax liability. Nobody should get back more than they paid.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            “I am pretty sure that Slavuta is talking Welfare…”

            Ok, fine, yes. This is the point. Exactly.
            Example, you had not worked, now you can’t work, you receive some form of SSI, just because you are human. Fine. But I am afraid of you voting because some commie will come and say, “I will double your SSI if you vote for me”. Such voters is straight road for corruption.

            Now, let see some corporations. Lockheed. It is 100% government contractor. Why in the word are they allowed to give campaign money?? All their money is taxpayer money anyways.

            The system could be flexible also. Lets say, you can vote locally but not in Federal or State elections because your benefits come from there.

            Fun fact. In the Swiss canton of Appenzell women couldn’t vote till 1991. I don’t remember anybody crying in US or Europe about it.

            Over 10,000 people renounced their US citizenship in 2020. Main reason – taxation while abroad. But this is even after “The Tax Fairness for Americans Abroad Act of 2018”. Something else is going on.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            I am fine with only individuals donating to campaigns (That would exclude both Corporations AND entities like Labor Unions, etc.). That seems like low hanging fruit.

            I am open to net takers not being allowed to vote at some level. Maybe yoy let them vote in the house but not the Senate or something, but like I said I’d rather simply see the tax code ammended so that you can’t go below zero.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            I have a friend who is a decent size landlord renting in the city under section 8. He tells stories of healthy adults on welfare and not planning to work, even if work was offered to them (including by him).
            Ok. How about Illinois. Billions of debt. A woman on the welfare will get more and more money as she gives birth to 2,3,4 children. Why this person allowed to vote? This is a parasite. Fatherless children, no responsibility of any kind, not in front of society, own children, etc. Where is Kennedy’s “what you can do for your country”?
            This is a nuclear fallout of super-democracy.

            How these people will not go below 0? I always wondered, for the money they receive, wouldn’t be nice to place them to do some public service? After all, they get paid. Why not pay them for something?

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        slavuta,

        “Any company that receives gov. subsidy can’t donate campaign money.”

        You’re taking all the fun out of it.:-)

  • avatar
    slavuta

    “Part of his plan includes government assistance via tax credits to help establish EV and battery production in the States, more incentives for consumers to buy EVs”

    Basically, Biden is building government capitalism, China-style

  • avatar
    Whatnext

    It must break the Trumpers’ hearts here that Biden is so obviously much more of a “car guy” than The Donald. Wasn’t Donald Dump’s sole contribution to the automotive world some tarted-up Cadillac pimpmobile in the Eighties?

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      I don’t care what any of them think about cars…I vote for the one that is going to be better financially to me so I can buy more cars. I’ve seen both Biden and Trump stickers on some real crapboxes. I think the most vocal ones in those respects just want to blame someone else for whatever chitty decisions got them behind the wheel of whatever chitbox they have affixed their political bumper sticker too. The other party is low hanging fruit and keeps them from having to take that painful look in the mirrror at who is really to blame most likely.

    • 0 avatar
      ponchoman49

      LOL car guy! So far I have yet to speak to a single “car guy” that wants anything to do with these soulless, faceless electric piles of junk that are part of an obvious political agenda. And for those that believe creepy was actually driving that electric F-150 I have a nice gold bridge to sell you!

  • avatar
    jimmyy

    Lets see:

    Fake driver

    Fake election

    Fake president

    No good can come out of this. Ford, keep him away from the F150!

  • avatar
    slavuta

    @Tim

    Biden goes trucking with Ford – hahahahaha

    He wasn’t driving it
    https://youtu.be/SObtBUTfvLM?t=299

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