By on November 10, 2020

Joe Biden. Shutterstock user lev radin

Car Twitter was abuzz on Saturday, as eagle-eyed automotive journalists noticed a bunch of brand-new vehicles, mostly Jeeps, in the front row of the socially-distanced acceptance speech by Joe Biden that marked his being voted president-elect of the United States

With so many American cars in the front row or rows, and Biden being a car guy, speculation rattled around that maybe this was staged somehow? This speculation floated around even though at least one car was a Subaru — a Forester, which is built in Japan.

So, was it staged and did the OEMs have any involvement?

Yes, it was staged, and no, the OEMs weren’t involved. It was Biden’s team doing the staging, as part of the usual political theater that all campaigns engage in. And these vehicles weren’t just present at Saturday’s speech, but they were part of a celebration planned for Election Day and were there on Tuesday.

Buzzfeed has the deets: “About five hours before polls closed on Election Day, 21 empty pickup trucks appeared in the parking lot of the Chase Center, sitting in two careful rows facing the stage where Joe Biden was supposed to address the nation in a victory speech later that evening,” Buzzfeed reported.

Further from Buzzfeed: “The fleet of Jeep Gladiators and Jeep Wranglers, along with some Ford Rangers and Chevy Silverados, had been arranged in alternating colors of red, white, and blue, all with open backs or sunroofs, and hoods stamped with BIDEN–HARRIS decals. They were reserved for the family and friends who would be arriving with Biden to his socially distanced ‘drive-in’ rally — the proverbial front row in a sea of other cars. Sitting opposite a freshly installed panel of bulletproof glass, US Secret Service protection befitting a president-elect, they had the clean and perfect look of new rental cars, windows darkened, paint gleaming in the sun. In the style of a tailgate, aides had placed a pair of blue folding chairs in the back of each truck.”

I reached out to FCA, Ford, and GM on my own, before I saw the Buzzfeed report via Jalopnik (I was out of the office most of Monday and didn’t see the reports until later, although I’d already sent my queries before stepping away from my desk) and all three told me that they had no involvement.

Ford: “There was no coordination between Ford and the Biden campaign to showcase our vehicles at this event.”

FCA/Jeep: “No, FCA played no role in the event. FCA does not endorse political candidates.”

GM provided what it called a “general statement of support” for Biden after telling me they were not involved in the event: “General Motors congratulates President-elect Biden on his election as the 46th President of the United States. We look forward to working with the new administration and incoming Congress on policies that support our customers, dealers and employees, help strengthen our manufacturing presence in the United States and advance our vision of an all-electric, zero-emissions future.”

That last statement is the kind of boilerplate statement any automaker might publish no matter who the president is, or what their ideology/party is.

As Biden’s Saturday Night Live doppelganger Jim Carrey says when in character: “Here’s the deal”. The deal is that these cars were staged by the Biden folks, with no apparent OEM involvement.

So if you’re a car person (or just a generally curious sort who notices these kinds of things) and you were wondering why there were so many new vehicles produced by the Detroit 2.5 in prime viewing spots during Biden speeches this week, you have your answer.

[Image: lev radin/Shutterstock.com]

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135 Comments on “Detroit OEMs Apparently Not Involved in Joe Biden Acceptance Speech...”


  • avatar
    tylanner

    So, practically speaking, if you are organizing a drive-in speaking event and need to reserve spots up front for VIPs, it would make sense to go ahead and rent something that will house multiple people.

    The features of a Jeep Gladiator would seem to fit the bill perfectly for this type of occasion….but their prominence was certainly distracting for the enthusiast.

    • 0 avatar
      thegamper

      I watched the acceptance speech and noticed the jeeps for sure. I thought what I saw was a BMW SUV up close to front and center and a Cadillac XT5 also. I was concerned that the Couple with a young child sticking out of the BMW SUV was going to break the panoramic moonroof as they appeared to be leaning and even sitting on it as they stood up inside of the vehicle.

      Reading this, I wonder if the BMW SUV I though I saw what in fact a white Subaru Forester. Maybe I am not so eagle-eyed after all.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    What, no Teslas? No American-built transplant cars?

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Yeah, that kind of surprised me too. I wonder if there’s a Tesla dealer in Wilmington.

      • 0 avatar
        Lorenzo

        Why rent for a day or two from a dealer? The rental car companies are hurting, and would offer a good deal for their newest models, cleaned up real shiny-like. If you didn’t check the odometer, you can’t be sure they were brand new. After all, it’s easier to get them all from one rental place than different dealers.

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      “What, no Teslas? No American-built transplant cars?”

      No dealers, and no PR department.

      I wouldn’t know how to borrow one, and I have my stuff together about as well as the average political staffer.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    Well that’s good to hear as I did not want to have to swear off American OEMs because of their support of a racist homophobe.

    • 0 avatar

      , I know, right? Imagine that, OEM’s being in bed with Trump!

      Oh, wait. You’re trying to insinuate that Biden is a racist homophobe? Was that an attempt at a joke?

      This is a website dedicated to all things automotive, not your pandering to a sore-loser with lame jokes.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “Oh, wait. You’re trying to insinuate that Biden is a racist homophobe? Was that an attempt at a joke?”

        No just the truth. He has a LONG history of racism and being against gay marriage etc. I mean he eulogized a guy who founded a chapter of the KKK. It’s pretty easy to look up.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          “No just the truth. He has a LONG history of racism and being against gay marriage etc. I mean he eulogized a guy who founded a chapter of the KKK. It’s pretty easy to look up.”

          You don’t want to play “who’s the bigger racist” with Trump.

          Mister “there are good people on both sides” of the Charlottesville really wins the racism trophy bigly.

          As for homophobia, Trump is the one who reinstated a ban on trangender people serving in the military. Trump wins again!

          I’ll admit that we’re in the point of the political cycle where we have picked the lesser of two evils. But Trump is so overt about his dog whistles that trying to pretend otherwise is not credible.

          But don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Luke42,

            “Mister “there are good people on both sides” of the Charlottesville really wins the racism trophy bigly.”

            So that’s what they keep harping on about how Trump is a racist! I couldn’t figure that out. I knew it would be some chance remark taken out of context. CNN has a whole department dedicated to taking things out of context — right next to the Elvis sightings department.

            “we have picked the lesser of two evils”

            1) It ain’t picked, yet.

            2) Let’s see what you think a couple years from now.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “ You don’t want to play “who’s the bigger racist” with Trump.”

            I mean yeah… if you ignore facts and context I suppose Trump could win that.

            But here in the real world, those things matter. And Trump is far from a racist. Biden however, eulogized a guy that founded a chapter of the KKK, called a black guy a junkie for asking him a question and said that if you vote for Trump you “ain’t black”. The list is extensive l, those are just a few.

            Trump is also the person who put a gay man in the highest cabinet position ever and has never been outspoken against gay marriage like Biden has (on record).

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            I can list instances of Trump’s racism all day, starting with claiming Mexicans are r*pists and drug dealers.

            Trump literally kicked off his campaign with a racist/xenophobic theme.

            He’s gone on to double down on those themes every week of his presidency.

            I can keep naming instance, if you want to keep pretending Trump isn’t racist.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @luke:

            A piece of advice: stop trying to call Trump a bigot or racist. It won’t work. From there it just becomes a food fight.

            Focus on how the stupid, arguably racist stuff he did screwed his presidency. Example: “fine people on both sides.” Racist? Maybe, maybe not. Incredibly stupid? No argument there. How hard is it to call out a bunch of morons screaming that Jews are going to replace them? Not very.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Luke,

            do you really mean, republicans wouldn’t issue the ID if you’re not citizen? Give me one example, how person can be denied of ID for vote? In my DMV, you can register to vote in 5 min

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Luke,
            you’re confused.
            “I can list instances of Trump’s racism all day, starting with claiming Mexicans are r*pists and drug dealers.”

            He was right. What Trump said that in the open border rapists and drug dealers come here from Mexico. This is totally correct. We have outr jails currently hosting ~55,000 Latino gang members. And ~100,000 are roaming the streets.

            This is not an example of racism and xenophobia. Anything else you could muster? “I can list instances of Trump’s racism all day”. Don’t need all day. Give me 3 valid examples. All of you Trump haters only say, “he lies”, “he is racist”. But there is no basis. No basis, don’t talk. Or bring the goodies.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Fraud vs douchebaggery.

            You make the call!

    • 0 avatar
      Imagefont

      Well thank GOD he’s about to be out of office, even if he’s psychologically ill equipped to grasp his new reality.

    • 0 avatar
      PlaysInTraffic

      That doesn’t matter much to me, as I’m boycotting these swing states full of vote fraud, at least until they clean up their corrupt elections.

      These states, and the corrupt media outlets who act like kingmakers and censor reports of vote fraud.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Now, you do know that if you “boycott a state,” everyone in the state suffers, including the Trump supporters too, right?

        derp

        • 0 avatar
          PlaysInTraffic

          Just like when the left boycotts.

          Well, not exactly, because their boycotts often backfire and spawn a “buycott” that increases the business’ (Chik-Fil-a, Hobby Lobby) sales.

          But it’s all the more motivation to clean up their corrupt states or failing that, relocate to a better one.

          Better than these states making the rest of the country suffer because of their corruption, anyway.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            I don’t recall “the left” boycotting a state.

            If you don’t like “the left” boycotting businesses, try talking “the right” out of doing the same thing. Be the change you want to see, bro.

            Derp, part 2. But I don’t know what I was expecting from a guy who wants to boycott states because of imaginary voter fraud issues…

          • 0 avatar
            PlaysInTraffic

            “I don’t recall “the left” boycotting a state.”

            I’m sure there’s a lot you don’t recall. Does Israel ring a bell?
            Then there’s California boycotting other states. A simple search of “california boycotts state” turns up tons of news stories with headlines like:

            “California boycotts Trump-aligned automakers in escalating emissions fight”
            “California bans state travel to Texas, Alabama, Kentucky …”
            “California Boycotts Four More Pro-Life, Pro Family States …”
            “San Francisco boycotts 22 states over abortion laws …”
            “The state of California to boycott Arizona?”
            “California officials boycott LA auto show in warning in warning to industry: ‘It’s not business as usual\'”
            “California: The Boycott State”

            “If you don’t like ‘the left’ boycotting businesses, try talking ‘the right’ out of doing the same thing. Be the change you want to see, bro.”

            You’re the one who seems to have a problem with boycotts, so I’ll leave that to you. You can start by talking the left out of boycotting. You could start with the state of California and the BDM movement.

            As for being the change I want to see, the change I want to see is an end to election fraud. I’ve already been voting lawfully in elections for decades now, but haven’t seen the results your magical thinking claims I should. Hmmm… So much for that. Anyway, good luck to you with California and the BDM movement.

      • 0 avatar
        Lorenzo

        It’ll take the US Supreme Court to step in, and it’ll have to be much larger in scale than just ordering the count final (by refusing to hear challenges), as they did in Florida in 2000.

        Due to constitutional time constraints, the flurry of lawsuits would have to be taken up by SCOTUS, and I doubt they’d do anything more than order a hand recount in several states, and let the legal challenges run their course over several years.

        US elections have never been totally clean, but now there’s high tech involved, and that’s a hornet’s nest of widespread problems to uncover.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          I can’t say this better

          “There is only one party in America that opposes voter ID; one party in America that opposes verifying signatures, citizenship, residency, eligibility…There is only one party in America trying to keep observers out of the count room and that party, my friend, is the Democrat Party.”

          Do you know how Ukrainians call Democrat party?
          Dermocrat. Dermo – caw manure. You know why they call it like this? Because this party causes horrible sufferings for regular folks in Ukraine. The gov over there is selling Ukraine to global forces just like dems are selling us here. And not just “like”, in fact this is all the one and the same process.

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            Democrats wouldn’t oppose voter ID, if the proposals would make it easy for legitimate voters to get IDs.

            When you look at voter ID laws, they appear carefully crafted to make it hard for Democrats, and only Democrats, to vote.

            Solve that problem and we cann have voter ID.

            But, as long as voter ID is really politicians picking their voters — instead of having voters pick their leaders — it will be dead in the water.

            The problems Democrats have with voter ID are solvable problems. However, the problems with these proposals are features, not bugs, to those who are proposing the legislation. And so we are at an impasse.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “Do you know how Ukrainians call Democrat party?”

            Explain to me why I should care what people in Ukraine think about the Democratic party…or any party, for that matter.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            “Explain to me why I should care what people in Ukraine think about the Democratic party…or any party, for that matter.”

            Because depends who holds the power there, certain things can start floating on the surface. You can’t hide the ends in Ukraine. Take France. Currently they have Sarkozy under investigations. This dude, took money for presidential run from Lybia’s Qaddafi. And then, to hide the ends, he ordered air strikes on his donor. And still they found. Biden and his son, step son of John Kerry, all have been dirty in Ukraine, And there is an abundance of evidence. But people in US don’t want to hear about it. I feel like I live in USSR again. Seriously

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      slavuta,

      “feel like I live in USSR again. Seriously”

      It’s really getting a lot like that. We have people getting fired from their jobs for voicing an opinion against the party line. The education system has become all about indoctrination. People are endlessly accused of being “racist” (instead of “bourgeois”). Points of view being labeled “dangerous.” “News” media that doesn’t even mention events of major importance. Thugs in the streets beating up anyone who won’t swear allegiance to their point of view. And, it definitely is starting to feel like it would be safer just to keep one’s mouth shut. A big part of the problem is that the education system here completely fails to teach anything real about the history of the USSR or China. We hear plenty about Hitler’s atrocities, but about Lenin, Stalin and Mao, nothing. It was that way fifty years ago and it’s still that way. So, particularly the young and idealistic are easily sucked in by the communist/socialist propaganda. They have no idea whatsoever what they are dealing with.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Old_WRX

        eh! got ya! – ” Thugs in the streets beating up anyone who won’t swear allegiance to their point of view”

        In USSR disobedience would be put down by military. They had several instances. There were no thugs on the streets. Some drunks might fight but nothing like disturbances in US.

        Just this morning I was thinking about it. These American Marxists are stupid. They should of followed Bolshevism. You see, Bolsheviks were actually visionaries, smart people. Like founding fathers. They did not crossed out Russian history. They named military schools after Imperial generals to underscore the depth of the tradition. Originally they changed the uniforms to make officers look like soldiers, in contrast to Imperial army, where officers were high class. But when big war started, Stalin realized that country needs unity. He called people “brothers and sisters”, he met with leaders of the church and laxed ropes on religion. He recreated officers as higher class, returned practically Imperial patches ans stars, hats, etc.

        Country needed unification and USSR has built it around its history. All monuments were kept, besides those that were brought down during crazy days of revolution. Stalin’s propaganda was saying things like, “we will fight like children of Suvorov and Kutuzov” – generals of the regime Bolsheviks were proud to destroy.

        Bottom line – no history, no foundation. Anarchy. And US is 100+ years behind Russia in historical developments. These progressives, they all are regressive. They see socialism as progress. But it is taking us back 100 years to the system that has proven not working.

        Speaking of atrocities, when did you hear last time about 30 million Chinese killed by Japanese? But hey, this is USSR for you. They did same thing with good meaning. You know, this is not Germany who attacked USSR in 1941, but Axis. There were Germany, Romania, Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovakia and even Spanish volunteers who attacked USSR. But in USSR they never said anything about any country outside of Germany. Because they did not want to make people think bad of the Eastern block countries.

        • 0 avatar
          iNeon

          Just drop it.

          You’ve backed yourselves into a rabbit hole you’ll need an opposition/enemy to exit.

          Bringing this up doesn’t make me that enemy.

          This is why we can’t have nice conversational things.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          slavuta,

          Yes, Stalin was smart enough to know which side his bread was buttered on when his back was against the wall. It is amazing how he well he managed to unify the country against the Axis. Unlike Hitler, Stalin learned to listen to his advisors. Without that and Germany’s delay in starting Barbarossa the USSR would have been defeated.

          I fear that if this country goes full speed ahead down the road to “communism,” it will be the worst example of it that ever was. In the US social, cultural and family bonds hardly exist anymore. American society has no deep structure to give it stability. (This is why the left has to invent things to demonize.) We have seen how rapidly the beliefs of the masses can be changed in the last few years. But, kick over the last few things that give this society at least the illusion of coherence, and who knows what chaos will result.

          At least that is what I see; for what that’s worth:-)

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WRX
            Oh yea! your second paragraph perfectly describes the situation. Communists with money press.. scary.

            In the first paragraph, this is actually incorrect to think that Germans would beat USSR. They frankly, had not a chance. While USSR had all chances to make it better on itself. There was only one path to the victory for Germany – if Japan would attack from the East. That would take away soviet military production. But USSR knew that Japan will not attack because they already were fighting in China and US was their priority for 1941. So USSR moved Siberian armies to the west. I wrote huge research paper that shows why USSR would prevail over Germany. Main points – German well oiled machine wasn’t very well oiled, there are a lot of myths about the level of their mechanization. Confusing chain of command, psychopath fuhrer, long stretched and constantly attacked supply lines, weapons that did not have reusable and compatible components, overly complex weapon production system, lubricants that wouldn’t work in Russia, tanks that wouldn’t go over russian lands, and determination of Soviet armies. Germans lost most of the steam in October 1941 and in 1942 Soviets stopped them and started counterattacking. This is before land lease kicked in. until 1943 Soviets did not even have a proper air force. And still stopped them.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      slavuta,

      I’ll bow to your superior knowledge on the first paragraph. Although, Germany’s mistakes and Russian winter sure didn’t help the Germans. I have western sources for most of my info on that, and they are no doubt, biased.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Old_WRX,
        Oh yea. I’ve heard of Russian winter. Actually, winters were very cold in 1942-43. But that is not the main problem for Germany.
        Germany developed blitzkrieg tactics. And mistakenly applied it in USSR. In France, their Panzer divisions would make one march and take half the country. But in Russia it was a painful process. Their Panzer divisions would go far ahead leaving everything behind and then waited for days until fuel and other things arrive. Soviets had a defensive line and packed behind it while giving Germans losses in the process of retreat, kind germans never seen before. And Germans just bumped with their head into that line. Then they got stuck in the mud. Soviet tanks had wide tracks and moved freely. German supplies were carried mostly by horses because bad soviet roads did not help. They were under-supplied to continue blitzkrieg. By the time they regrouped, winter came. They found out that lubricants in their machinery are not suited for Russian winter and airplanes, tanks, everything stopped working. Winter clothing was often missing too.
        But the main reason for them to get stuck is the soviet resistance. Hitler also was counting on people revolting against Stalin’s regime. Opposite happened. This was the time when Siberian divisions arrived. Even if weather was ok, Germans still would have to fight the defensive line, their armies needed huge resupply. They had to dedicate 12% of the resources to fight behind front lines. Ukrainian and Belorussian forests were loaded with partizans who derailed trains, burned fuel supplies, knocked out bridges. Eventually, coordination between main army and partizans was so good that partizans would start a huge operation, Germans would take personnel from the front lines and when they do that, main army would start offensive.
        The only way Germans could have any success, they would need to unite 2 of the front army groups in one place, like Moscow. Instead, they diverted armies to the flanks and lost time window to hit Moscow. That could give them success if Soviets would not be able to beat them back quickly, lets say, using Siberians.
        Did winter had a role in the battle? – sure. But its the soviets who manged this war into the winter. They stopped blitzkrieg and turned it into a prolonged campaign. Something, Germans were not ready for at all.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          “was counting on people revolting against Stalin’s regime. Opposite happened.”

          Turns out a war of extermination causes people to resist you who otherwise would not have.

          Idiots.

  • avatar
    Pig_Iron

    Regardless, the results so far are contested, and uncertified. We will see what the courts decide, and whether the college electors cast their votes December 14th, or whether this goes to the state houses sending delegates to cast votes. Or best of 3 falls. ;-)

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Rock, paper, scissors?!

    • 0 avatar
      Peter Gazis

      Pig_Iron

      It’s over. Biden has opened up an insurmountable lead. Trump is being a big crybaby, Embarrassing himself and the nation.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “Vote early, vote often” really worked out for the libs in 2020 although I guess that is the only way to get a racist homophobe with alzheimers elected.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          @EBFlex:

          What really happened is very simple.

          Trump made a strategic mistake: he made every effort to make liver and angry. He reveled in it, and his supporters did too.

          What do liberals do when we get angry? We vote, and we get our liberal friends to vote.

          Donald Trump was the best liberal get-out-the vote program in history.

          We tried to tell you guys, because we want America to be successful. But we were dismissed dismissed as whiners. 63 million of us voted in 2016. 75 million of us voted in 2020. We were shocked by how many voters Trump was able to get to the polls, but it wasn’t enough to make up for the liberal anger Trump reveled in at every turn.

          Angry liberals vote. Hopefully your next Republican candidate will recognize this, and will try to be a president for all Americans.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Bingo, bingo, bingo.

            Trump didn’t just fail to reach out to people who didn’t support him – he literally went out of his way to p*ss off anyone who wasn’t 1,000% in his camp, and that included moderate Republicans and independents. Why? Because the people who are 1,000% in his camp think that p*ssing off anyone who isn’t with them 1,000% passes for a political ideology. Clowns like that post on this site every day.

            An example that’s near and dear to my heart, being a Jewish Democrat: the “Jews who vote Democratic are disloyal” bit. Looking back, I can’t believe that came out of the mouth of someone not named “David Duke,” much less the president. The first reaction, of course, was to call him a bigot; maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. But here’s something you can’t debate: there are enough Jewish votes in Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin to put any of those states in his column. And all the “disloyal Jew” crack did was to ensure that any Jew who isn’t hardcore conservative went out of their way to vote against him.

            Ditto for the “bad hombre” bit – how many people of Mexican descent live in Arizona and Nevada? Answer: enough to put either state in his column.

            …just two examples of many, many self-destructive derp moments in the last four years.

            The guy has no one to blame but himself.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “Donald Trump was the best liberal get-out-the vote program in history.”

            I agree, but:

            “We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics”

            -Sen. Joseph Biden Jr.

            youtu.be/MA8a2g6tTp0?t=11

            Sen. Biden gives us an epic Freudian slip. In no way should a presidential candidate in a campaign combine the words “voter” and “fraud”. Ever. He likely was on a call or meeting shortly before discussing high level voting fraud plans and in his dementia substituted “fraud” or “voter fraud” with whatever word or phrase he meant.

            Sen Sanders could have won in 2016 and likely 2020 without the need for voter fraud. Biden could not. This is what your party thinks of you, nominate the two worst candidates since Mondale/Ferraro in 1984 to the point where they need to federal crimes like voter fraud and then roll out their controlled media to paper over it. Bernie could have become a legitimate president an still enacted the dystopian toleration agenda the Pelosi Poltiburo wants. But nope, demented swamp creature two steps from death and a hard line former prosecutor of minorities with no appeal outside of the West Coast who pulled what, 2% in the primaries? Yup, they really care what you think/want brainwashed America.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        Peter Gazis,

        It’s over only if the constitution has secretly been amended to stipulate that the media gets to make the official decision.

        • 0 avatar
          Peter Gazis

          Old_WRX

          It’s basic math. You need 270 electoral college delegates to win the Presidency. So far 290 have declared for Biden. The word for that is Winner!

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            Peter Gazis,

            Sorry, it ain’t over till the fat lady sings. And she ain’t sung yet. Doesn’t matter how stridently the NYT, CNN, etc. claim it is.

          • 0 avatar
            Peter Gazis

            We have a Fat orange guy on the golf course playing with his little white balls.
            That’s close enough for me.
            It’s over

        • 0 avatar
          Peter Gazis

          Old_WRX

          It all comes down to basic math. 270 electoral college delegates gets you the Presidency.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            Peter Gazis,

            Of course, it’s over. But, not officially. Like I keep saying, the media doesn’t decide it.

            I’ll save you the trouble of responding. “It’s over.”

            Of course, if the media had called it for Trump. Then it wouldn’t be over. I know how these things work.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            The media also do not decide who wins the World Series, Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, Grey Cup (Canadian football) or whatever the NBA championship is called. Or any Olympic events.

            But when they announce it the runner-up does not refuse to acknowledge what they said.

            If there is an appeal, they simply state that they have appealed the result and will await the results of the appeal.

            In the meanwhile they still shake hands with or congratulate their opponent.

            The most hard fought sporting event in history was probably the 1972 Canada versus the Soviet Union hockey series. The Soviets pulled out all the stops to win. Including absconding with the food that the Canadians brought with them, bugging their hotel rooms, waking them up at all hours, changing the referees at the last minute, placing armed soldiers in the arena, and refusing to acknowledge a goal. On the ice the play was vicious. Bobby Clarke probably purposely broke the ankle of the Soviets most dangerous player (Kharlamov).

            Yet in the years after many of these players became friendly with each other. And demonstrated respect for the efforts of their opponents.

          • 0 avatar
            Peter Gazis

            Old_WRX
            50 states & the District Columbia = 51 elections
            47 states and the District of Columbia have declared a winner in those elections, and Biden has clearly won.
            The media reports the news, and the news is WE HAVE A WINNER! Which also means IT’S OVER! ! !
            Everything else is B.S.

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            Count every vote – except the ~4 million U.S. citizens in U.S. territories. Don’t count those.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WEX

            democrat math is this:
            Get the number, let say 2000. Add one 0 at the end. This is how many votes Biden got

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    If drive-in rallies are the new thing, and honking the horn is the new applause, someone should offer some more personalized horn tones.

    (Must I think of everything?)

    • 0 avatar
      teddyc73

      They aren’t a new thing. They are just yet another stupid idea from the deranged left who live in fear of the Covid virus.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        …teddy just wants to catch COVID like all the cool kids in the White House are doing…

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “They aren’t a new thing. They are just yet another stupid idea from the deranged left who live in fear of the Covid virus.”

        Yep. it’s all about control “facts be dammed”. They won’t admit masks don’t work, they won’t admit that the mortality rate has plummeted from it’s already low numbers we saw earlier in the year.

        If anything, the way they should distribute the vaccine is by going by voting numbers. Anyone that voted for Harris and the other guy do not get a vaccine because “the party of science” doesn’t believe in it. But they’re hypocrites..,..just like when they took stimulus money while decrying Trump and his mean and scary words that hurt their feelings.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          Every tin pot 3rd world dictator has claimed election fraud when they have finally been thrown out of office.

          The current reaction from the White House was predicted years ago by many Never Trumpers.

          If an independent investigation proves otherwise. Then that is one thing. However to date despite all the investigations into HRC, Biden’s family and allegations of election fraud in 2016 there has been no evidence. But a large number of Trump’s close advisors, and appointees have been convicted or pled guilty to various crimes.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            Arthur Dailey,

            It should have been easy for them to predict that when they committed election fraud that they might get called on it.

            “Every tin pot 3rd world dictator has claimed election fraud when they have finally been thrown out of office.”

            That’s a really good one. So, the people committing the fraud are OK, but the people who call them on the fraud are automatically the bad guys…

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Arthur Dailey

            “The current reaction from the White House was predicted years ago by many Never Trumpers.”

            you must be missed all the left hysteria when Trump won. illegitimate, fake, not my president, never trump….

            this is all on youtube. And it is told by people we see everyday on TV. Yea madonna wanted to blow up the white house.

        • 0 avatar
          ToolGuy

          @EBFlex, we should define terms. When you say “mask” do you mean a surgical mask, N95 mask, a respirator, or a “face covering”?

          Surgical masks, for example, are inexpensive, disposable, one-time-use-only items which are readily available at any health-care facility…. oh, sorry, my information appears to be about a year out of date. Carry on.

          https://tinyurl.com/y2njcf2f
          “I have friends at several emergency departments, not my own thank goodness, but some emergency departments who have to wear the same N95 masks for an entire month.”

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            Mask as in………a mask.

            My state enacted a mask mandate on July 25th by our brain dead governor.

            If you look at the line of positive cases, it didn’t even dip in the slightest. It kept rising and rising faster and faster.

            Masks do not work.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @EB: What proof/evidence is there of ‘massive’ fraud.

            Trump alleged it in 2016. The investigation found zero evidence of it occurring.

            And why is there no allegations that fraud took place in the states that Trump won? Isn’t it logical to expect it to have taken place in some of these states as well?

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            “My state enacted a mask mandate on July 25th by our brain dead governor.”

            So, let me get this straight.

            You have the choice of taking medical advice from doctors and scientists, or you can take your medical advice from talk show hosts and right-wing politicians.

            And you chose the talk show hosts? [Facepalm]

            As my doctor friend says, the only punishment for not wearing a mask is maybe getting sick. That’s your individual right, of course, except for the part where you would harm others by passing on the sickness to them. Even Libertarians agree that harming others is beyond the scope of individual rights. Getting yourself sick is up to your right. Getting other people sick, though, is a problem, which is why the mask is important.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          1. Scientific evidence demonstrates just how masks do work. You think that medical professionals have been wearing masks for decades just because they like the look?
          2. Ask the medical professionals in Utah about the hospitalization and death rates. The unwillingness or inability of so many Americans to accept science is appalling. And reflected in their infection/hospitalization/death rates. Far worse than nearly every other 1st world nation.
          3. How can anyone believe that ‘globalist’ conspired to create a worldwide pandemic, killing millions, negatively impacting the economies of all nations, and disrupting life around the world, just to ‘get Trump’? Yes, nearly every doctor, nurse, pharmacist, epidemiologist, and many of the world’s elected politicians were ‘all in this together’. Conspiracy theorists defy logic.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            Arthur Dailey,

            “How can anyone believe that ‘globalist’ conspired to create a worldwide pandemic”

            That could have something to do with the way so many countries “reacted” in lock-step-shuffle with the same draconian measures so quickly. In the real world that would never happen unless it were prearranged. The only place that scenario would work is in some B-movie thriller.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Arthur Dailey,

            masks work. Mask mandates don’t. Big research came from europe shows, every country that has mask mandate, had huge 2nd wave after this mandate, and did ways worse vs countries without mandates.

            People put a piece of rug and now they are “safe”, they think. Research shows that only good masks have any effect. And most important people feel safe and stop doing other preventing measures, like not touching the face.

            Europe has > 300K deaths. So, nobody managed to manage this thing. Various forms of governments, all failed. Only we did better with economy during the same period and less deaths per population/infection.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Taiwan, Norway, Finland. All enacted regulations which have ‘worked’.

            The per capita death rate in the USA is an indictment of its current federal ‘leadership’ or lack thereof.

            Including the president hosting multiple events that have resulted in outbreaks.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Arthur,

            America is a big country We have people that live on each other’s head in populated cities. We have places that do better and worse. We had a lot of travelers. You are comparing to small countries. Besides, we know that our data is inflated. Hospitals DO make more $$ for COVID and do report more. Another day I’ve learned from one person that to do certain job, she needed 3 negative tests. She was shocked after speaking in the facility that if her tests were all positive, all 3 would be reported as separate case.

            Taiwan has done 104,627 tests. US… 161,791,180. More tests, more positives. Thailand seem to be a unique place –
            “Yes, they wear masks, and yes, they bow and don’t shake hands, but the biggest difference between them and places like South Korea or Japan is that nasal irrigation is practiced by 80 percent of people”

            This is a natural disaster. What is your proposal? How would you manage this better? Look what is happening everywhere in Europe. People are rioting against lock downs. Schmuck Schumer did not have issue come into the middle of the big crowd with no mask.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            And Canada is a larger nation geographically than the USA and much more diverse.

            Yet its per capita death rate is much smaller than that of the USA.

            The reason being more effective political leadership.

            In Ontario our Premier, who is a self-confessed free market capitalist and social conservative has listened to his health care experts, implemented lockdowns and mandated the wearing of masks.

            Australia is approximately the same size as the continental USA and has almost eradicated new COVID cases over the past 4+ weeks, due to its political leadership.

            Of course both Canada and Australia like all 1st world nations except the USA have universal healthcare.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            I am wary when someone talks about “great Canadian healthcare”. We know, your people come to our clinics for surgeries and diagnostics. We know that you have waiting lines for procedures. We’ve heard some of your people die in waiting for CT scan..

            Not going to say US has solved healthcare puzzle. In fact, it did not. But our employer-based coverage has been a solid option. And all gov programs are failures. You know what doctors do here in big cities? They hire a bus to go to project apartments and they pay $10 [may be more these days] to he old people to come to visit. So they can drain those Medicaide and Medicare. Gov. constantly runs out of $$.

            Now down to political leadership. Whatever. Your economy was down big time. -13%. US -9. You don’t need to be super smart to order shelter in place. But then what?

            And why do you think size matters? I mean – population size. Australia is what 10M? We have 2 of them in NYC

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Arthur..
            “Of course both Canada and Australia like all 1st world nations except the USA have universal healthcare.”

            One more ting… Italy then also 1st WN.. you know what they did? They rationed ventilators. This is when the gov. is in charge of things

  • avatar
    teddyc73

    I realize this is a car website and you people may not know how these things work but Biden, the doddering old coot, hasn’t been elected to anything. The media doesn’t dictate the winner, the electors of each state do. Right now several states are going to have a recount.

    • 0 avatar

      I realize this is a car website, and I’m sure as hell not going to come to you for sage commentary on how the “media doesn’t decide the election”…you’re right.

      The voters do, and they’ve clearly spoken. Get over it. Enjoy the ride in Biden’s Corvette.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        nope. We see tapes with ballots being filled at counting stations. We have machines that spit 6000 votes from red to blue bucket. We have whistleblowers under oath, telling of illegal activities during ballot counting process.

        We also have Al Gore been declared a winner but then turned around. At least Al Gore was good boy and said, “I don’t care who wins. Most important that American democracy is intact”. Current democrats don’t care about democracy.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          I believe that you have that backwards.

          But then I am unsure which ‘Slavuta’ is posting.

          Sometimes it is one who posts in what appears to be an attempt at mimicking a television version of someone with English as a 2nd language, and sometimes it is someone who posts in English equivalent to that of my graduate level students.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          slavuta,

          Don’t you know we have our own truth in america? It seems obvious that an honest tally of votes would show Trump the winner. Regretfully, it looks unlikely that will make any difference.

          Of course, there will be those who consider Trump to be the bad guy because he wants the slew of allegations of voter fraud properly investigated. Oh, well, in the words of Joni Mitchell:

          Don’t it always seem to go
          That you don’t know what you’ve got
          Till it’s gone

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @OldWRX: Nice of you to quote a strongly socialist Canadian.

            But then in Canada we have an independent organization that is in charge of our federal elections.

            Just another reason to remain, north of the border.

            As for alleged ‘voter fraud’. Trump alleged it in 2106. Sais that without it he would have won the popular vote. That was investigated and proven to be a lie.

            But Trump kept repeating the same lie. For 4 years.

            And some now believe him.

            Of course this is not a new phenomena. In the 20th century there was another elected leader of a western nation who learned that if you tell a big enough lie, often enough, that a lot of people will believe it.

            Let the investigation begin. Let’s see if there is evidence of voter fraud on such a scale as to overturn the Electoral College votes.

            If no such thing can be proven. And to date there is no credible evidence of such, then the Trump supporters should be able to acknowledge just how dangerous their belief was.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WRX,

            seem even Estonian knows this. This is a global force we need to fight

            “Last night I decided to resign looking at the slander and lies produced by the Estonian media,” said Helme, of the Estonian Conservative People’s Party, or EKRE.

            “I am tired. I did nothing yesterday that would endanger Estonia’s security. I have not said anything that has not already been told by the American media, the American free media,” he told public broadcaster ERR.

            “There is no question that these elections were falsified,” Martin Helme said in the interview, according to Estonian news portal Delfi and national broadcaster ERR. “I believe all normal people should speak up against it. There is no point in talking about democracy or rule of law in a situation where elections can be faked so plainly, boldly and on a massive scale.”

            “If this (US election result) goes through, then the constitution will no longer apply in America,” he continued.

            Search for
            “Estonia minister resigns after calling Joe and Hunter Biden ‘corrupt characters’”

        • 0 avatar

          Slavuta, Americans will teach us (I mean Russians) how properly elect Putin president – ballot stuffing and glitchy programs and so on. Fortunately we are more sophisticated than that. Biden = American Putin. He will get elected no matter what.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Inside Looking Out

            I am not offended to be called “Russian”. Because we are Russians since Russia is everything between Urals and Poland. I just never lived in Russian Federation, before of after USSR.

            I was too busy in the 90s here to follow Putin’s shenanigans in Russia. surely, back then he had a lot of competition. But today his election 1000x cleaner than US. They have international monitors, they truly making sure that word “illegitimate” does not need to be said. Putin wins because there is nobody to beat him at this time. Ah, and the media. This is like 1-to-1 with US MSM and Russian state owned/partially owned media.

            And these people here on this site will teach me about American democracy? They claimed I don’t understand it. They don’t understand that they need General Franco to clean out all these lefties before resuming some form of democracy. Or there will not be democracy this way or another.

            Look at these leaders around the world. They are already in the line to kiss the ring of the Lord Biden. Kudos to Putin on this. But he also does not care. His country is doing fine. In fact, Europe reported 300,000 covid deaths now. So, you see, how well a variety of socialist governments has done. They listen to the science. And they are quick to sanction any un-democratic elections but for Biden – kiss the ring

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            We allow someone who claims to be a ‘Russian’ to post comments advocating for a right wing coup in the USA to create a proto-Fascist dictatorship?

            And who quotes a ‘far right’ anti-democracy Estonian politician who was forced to resign this week for his comments.

        • 0 avatar
          golden2husky

          …Most important that American democracy is intact”. Current democrats don’t care about democracy…

          You have to be kidding. Trump put America on the very brink of becoming an authoritarian regime. Democrats are no angels but if we are fairly keeping score on who shat on the Constitution for personal benefit, that winner is Donald Trump.

          Arthur – where I work is very much diverse and we have a lot of people from socialist countries. Every one is a Republican because they have been brainwashed to think that anything that contains the word “social” is automatically bad. All of them are considered “minorities” in America and the party that they attach themselves to have nothing but contempt for them, except at election time.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            golden2husky

            I think, you kidding yourself right now. Actually, 2 dems in congress also think the way I do. Check it out. One says “our party is in trouble”. Another says, “I will not support radical laws like court packing”

            I am not troubled by Trump “authoritarian” stance. He has congress keeping him in check. He does not step on my rights. Dems do. Their whole party is authoritarian. What schmuck Schumer said few days ago? – lets change America. Change America? I don’t think so. Who will let you, you schmuck.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “Trump put America on the very brink of becoming an authoritarian regime.”

            Dude, change channels you’re watching the wrong show.

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            A little late but: slavuta – I don’t call you derogatory names – your pathetic lack of critical thinking skills is all the world needs to see to realize that your brain is in as discharged a state as our illustrious “leader.” Who, by the way, is a LOSER. No worries for intellectual weaklings like you – he will probably start his own media machine to compete with Fox…they could call it FNN – Fascist News Network. You will be in heaven. Check your brains at the remote control and immerse yourself in the kool-aid.

            28 – I watch Fox (not the airheads on at night), CNN, MSNBC, Euronews, and occasionally BBC America. By any measure, Trump is an authoritarian. I struggle to see how that is not so obvious, but if one (not saying you)comes home from work and puts on Fox prime time opinion programming and that is their only news for the day, I guess I could see why someone might not see it. I believe the biggest divider in our country is opinion programming masquerading as news. The vast majority of people seek out the source that tells them what they want to hear, not necessarily what is the real truth. I argue with my leftist friends for doing the same thing – they quote Maddow talking points as if that is the one and only view on the world.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “The voters do, and they’ve clearly spoken. Get over it. Enjoy the ride in Biden’s Corvette.”

        You’re right, the voters do. Dead or alive they sure chose the racist homophobe Biden. Yay party of tolerance! You’d think after throwing tantrums for years about old white guys in the white house they wouldn’t have been so happy to elect an old white man with alzheimers. Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Dominion has spoken.

        “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything”

        -Attributed to Stalin.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          “what do I think about this: I believe that it is absolutely unimportant who and how will vote in the party; but what is extremely important is who and how will count the votes.”

          Boris Bazhanov (to France, 1.1.1928), published in 1930 in French under the title “With Stalin in the Kremlin”

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      …stopped reading teddy’s post at “you people”…

    • 0 avatar
      ect

      Recounts won’t change anything – they typically shift a few hundred votes, nothing close to the leads that Biden has in PA, GA and AZ. And Biden only needs 1 of those states to clinch the Electoral College. It’s over.

      What we really need to know is how the Trump campaign came to hold their big press conference on Saturday in a nondescript parking lot located next door to a sex shop. Brilliant imagery, that.

      Actually, even a BHPH used car lot would have been a more elegant venue.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “Recounts won’t change anything”

        True. Recounting fraudulent votes will still make the numbers rise.

        • 0 avatar
          ect

          OK, so you quote the first part of the sentence, ignoring the second part that provides the context for it, to try to make it appear to say something it didn’t. Not honest, but there you go.

          The reality is that recounts almost never change the result, unless the candidates are within a few hundred votes of each other.

          Take Georgia, where the election system is run entirely by Republicans, and has been for almost 2 decades. Biden is ahead by over 14,000 votes. No recount that I’ve ever seen has shifted more than a few hundred votes, so the evidence tells us that a recount here is not going to come anywhere close to changing the result.

          And tell me this – given that the current Governor (both in that capacity and when he was Secretary of State) has twice purged thousands of probable Democrat supporters (Blacks and Latinos)from the voter rolls, how is it possible that the Democrats could pad the voters list with many more thousands of ineligible voters under the noses of all those republicans running the system?

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        @ect:
        “What we really need to know is how the Trump campaign came to hold their big press conference on Saturday in a nondescript parking lot located next door to a sex shop.”

        The answer to this is obvious.

        The Trump Administration has been an amateur hour since the beginning.

        Employees who are fired for telling The Boss something he doesn’t want to hear are going try to save their hides by booking Four Seasons Total Landscaping, rather than telling The Boss that the Four Seasons Hotel was already booked and solving the problem as a team. This is literally one of the first things they told me in B-school, and I’ve seen it happen over and over in my working life.

        Booking the wrong Four Seasons is the obvious and predictable consequence of Trump’s “you’re fired!” approach to management.

        The boss demanded The Four Seasons or else you’re fired, but it wasn’t available. So the boss got *a* Four Seasons, rather than *The* Four Seasons.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      Arthur Dailey,

      If Mitchell was or is a socialist I guess it just shows that, once again, celebrities are best not listened to off stage.

      “dangerous their belief was.”

      OK, you totally lost me here. How was that belief “dangerous”? Counter-revolutionary? Revisionist? I know: Trotskyist. This country has gone loopy with all this “dangerous” belief twaddle. Absolutely infantile.

      • 0 avatar
        Arthur Dailey

        If no evidence of massive voter fraud is found. Just as the previous investigation of voter fraud under Trump found no evidence of such fraud in the 2016 election, then Trump’s constant unfounded claims, which jeopardized the American democratic system and undermined faith in its founding principles will be revealed to have been at best anti-democratic and worst an extreme misuse of power.

        A large number of those who have resigned from Trump’s administration have made claims regarding the latter.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      Slavuta,

      “If this (US election result) goes through, then the constitution will no longer apply in America,” he continued.

      The constitution hasn’t counted for a whole lot for years now. If the media succeeds in appointing Biden, then it won’t count for anything.

      This election was a joke.

      globalresearch.ca/us-election-2020-shame-nation/5729137

      Careful, though, I’ve been told this sight is one of those “conspiracy theory” sites.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Old_WRX

        There is no smoke without fire. Half of conspiracies end up being true

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          slavuta,

          What blows my mind is how people act like the rich and powerful would never conspire. How do they think the rich and powerful got where they are and stay where they are?

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WRX,

            This is kind of mind American school system produces. Bunch of zombified believers. They don’t understand a thing! They don’t understand that we’re dealing with something more powerful that Dem/GOP. When they complete their business, you will be at gov. mercy. Gov healthcare – ok John. you have stage 3 cancer. we can’t spend precious gov resources. Sorry. Next.
            You don’t think this possible? – see Italy earlier this year.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “This is kind of mind American school system produces.”

            Let me see if I get this straight: I should pay attention when some guy who can’t complete a sentence in coherent English gives a critique of the American education system.

            Nope.

            Derp…

  • avatar
    Imagefont

    Well, I see the right wing conspiracy theorists so common on this forum are losing their minds this week. I’m starting to feel sorry for you all, kind of.
    Orange man is out but his need for attention is all consuming so I’m sure you’ll see more of him.
    Calm down.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      Imagefont,

      “Calm down.”

      Like yall would be calm if Trump was the one making an acceptance speech assuming he was going to ride into the presidency based on a mountain of vote rigging by the republicans. LMAO

      • 0 avatar
        Imagefont

        Vote rigging is just Trumps wet dream. It’s his own “fake news”.
        I particularly liked how Cindy McCain endorsed Biden while maintaining her republican credentials. Just another example of an unforced error on Trumps part by needlessly attacking a patriot and a veteran. Rather satisfying.
        Get help, seek therapy.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          Imagefont,

          Well, I can tell you one thing for sure. If the election had been called for Trump, I would not be baiting people who supported Biden. There is such a thing as a sore loser, but, what’s worse than a sore loser is a crowing, smug winner who gets some kind of cheap thrill out of shoving the loser’s face in the mud. But, if that is what you want to do — hey, go at it.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “…crowing, smug winner who gets some kind of cheap thrill out of shoving the loser’s face in the mud”?

            Sounds a lot like Trump to me.

            Physician, heal thyself.

    • 0 avatar
      PlaysInTraffic

      You mean the kind of calm you sky-screaming, hyperventilating, whiny bitches displayed for the past four years?

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        “whiny bitc*es,” eh?

        TTAC, do we have moderators anymore?

        • 0 avatar
          PlaysInTraffic

          Okay, Karen!

          Good to know that despite your screen name, you don’t like that pesky freedom.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Ah…freedom of speech.

            Now, you do know this is a privately owned site, right? That makes it like your front lawn – private property. And on your front lawn, you have the right to kick people off if they’re calling other people names. Same for this site.

            I suppose if people set foot on your front lawn and said stuff you didn’t like, you ‘d be perfectly OK with having no right to kick them off…right?

            Yeah, I didn’t think so.

            And thus ends your lesson in constitutional law for today.

          • 0 avatar
            PlaysInTraffic

            You think have something to teach others, despite the fact that you confuse an argument over free speech with the limits of the first amendment.

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        “You mean the kind of calm you sky-screaming, hyperventilating, whiny bitches displayed for the past four years?”

        Trump is maliciously incompetent. His ego is more important to him and his followers than the basis of our American political system.

        We complained because we wanted to fix the problem for the betterment of the United States, but our complaints fell on deaf ears.

        I’d love to get back to losing to Republicans politicians who actually have the United States’ best interests at heart, and with whom we can actually have principled disagreements about how to solve problems. But we have to solve the problems, not pretend “we’ve turned the corner” every other week.

        But, instead, we have Trump. Swagger and bluster are no substitute for insight and wisdom. He can’t even put together a coherent paragraph, much less actually govern the nation and solve problems.

        Fortunately, 75 million Americans conspired to all go vote, and we’ve replaced Trump. The new guy is imperfect, and wasn’t my first choice — but he and the vice president-elect are a definite upgrade from Trump.

        Y’all got beat fair and square. Trump mobilized about 10 million Republicans and got them to the polls, but his petty vindictiveness, casual racism, and malicious incompetence mobilized 12 million Democrats and got them to the polls. Could this have been avoided? Sure, and we tried to tell all y’all how — but we were jeered and mocked, and so we gave up and started pestering our liberal friends to vote.

        And it worked. Trump is history.

        Perhaps the next Republican president won’t deliberately poke liberals with a sharp stick. When this happens, we channel our inner John Lewis and start taking our liberal friends and neighbors down to the courthouse to vote. There’s a reason previous Republican politicians would pull punches in public — because angry Democrats vote!

        TDS mobilizes voters. We tried to tell you, but you were too busy calling us names and waving flags to listen. So, we voted instead. And we won.

        Pick a better candidate best time, Republicans.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          “Fortunately, 75 million Americans conspired to all go vote…”

          But many of them were dead.

          And the counting machines! They were primed with the software from a company financed by Clinton foundation. Yea!

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    Hypothesis (subject to testing and analysis): There has never been a miscounted vote ever anywhere in the history of the republic – never never never ever. Never in any state, never in any city, never in any precinct. Never. Never ever.

    Reflection upon events of the past week (President, Senate and House races): U.S. voters just delivered in a remarkably effective way the equivalent of a hung jury. The underlying message (my take): “Both sides kind of suck.”

  • avatar

    So, “Angry Mouse” gives the speech. How exciting. I would take Subaru.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    Ok, I’ll try to keep this simple for those who really wish this was the “Automobiles” section of Newsmax, OneAmericanews, or the Daily Stormer. The actual details will vary state by state. You ballot is a legal instrument and is usually property of that state’s secretary of state. Most of them like politics at the state level and know they’ve at the peak of their political careers. They’re at the state level, a twitterstorm won’t effect them very. Now pay close attention here, the Republican secretary of states are defending the integrity of their state’s election. Yes, Republicans especially the ones in swing states. Now this is where it gets boring, or hard for the poorly educated. Your ballot is locked/held in a secure container or your voting machine is secured. All of the ballots. Mail-in ballots are secured in a similar fashion. The ballots are then taken to a secure facility. At this secured facility your ballot is opened and compared against the voter rolls. If a name is not on the rolls, the ballot is set aside to later be verified or thrown away as invalid. One person reads the ballot, another person tallies what was on the ballot. For all the dimwits who have read this far; lick your index finger, touch your nose, then touch your dork. For the rest of us this is where it gets incredibly dull and the index fingers will become relevant. Three people observe this ballot tallying process. One Republican, One Democrat, and One independent. Three people so it’s not like the person tallying the ballot yells out “squirrel!!!!” and marks off 3,325 Biden tickets when no one is looking. All of this makes for a long, boring and not well paid day. You hope your counterpart likes the same sports you do. Also, they have these new-fangled things called “webcams”. These crazy “webcams” can show live events. Oh, I don’t know; maybe and just maybe a state’s secretary of state would have bought some. So no, a Democrat in a Ferrari or a Republican in a 911 didn’t deliver 120,00 ballots that somehow automatically got added to the vote total. In the end, tallying votes is long, hard, boring work and everyone involved deserves our kudos. So this is having federal judges kicking out voter fraud lawsuits like they were cac-can dancers at the Moulin Rouge. Sorry conspiracy boys, there isn’t any evidence to back you up. Integrity and decency will prevail and win in the end. Thank you if you’re read this far.

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      Thank you for that summary, and yes I made it all the way through. Here is a 14-year-old feature-length documentary which offers a slightly different perspective:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Democracy

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Just one more excellent argument for doing away with the Electoral College, if you ask me – it’s a lot easier to buy the idea that “voter fraud swung the election” when you’re talking 4,000 votes, less so if it’s 4 million.

      It’d be a good step towards rebuilding trust in the election process.

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        slavuta

        Here come natural born traitors. Get rid of Electoral College so that a small state has no say in election. Will they want to stay in this union?

        The ONLY way to save this union is to give ALL powers to the states. And let them to decide their affairs.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Let me see if I get this straight: some guy hailing from the old Soviet bloc just lectured America on how to run itself effectively, and I should take his advice.

          Okey dokey…

          Derp.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          @Slavuta: The USA already fought a war over states rights. The Federalist side won.

          As the Head of State the president of the United States represents the nation. And therefore all of its citizens.

          As to the ‘need’ for the Electoral College, a great many federations including Canada operate quite well politically without one. The role of the Electoral College was to prevent ‘mob rule’ and ensure that the ‘betters’ of society had ultimate control over who was elected as president.

          Perhaps you are a ‘double agent’ as your postings tend to strengthen the side that you are supposedly arguing against.

      • 0 avatar
        SCE to AUX

        The Electoral College represents the nation in the same fashion as the US Congress, plus 3 electors for DC.

        If you eliminate the Electoral College, then you should eliminate the US Senate. Once Mr Biden recognized this, he waffled on his support for its abolishment, seeing as how he is/was a Senator from a tiny state.

        States elect the President. If you go to popular vote, then the states no longer play any role. If you go to popular vote, then states like Delaware, Alaska, and Wyoming can forget about having a say in Congress or any national elections. The Senate and the Electoral College are uniquely designed to give them a say – or balance of power – in national affairs.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          I disagree. Senators and U.S. House reps are elected by the states and their districts to represent the people in those states and districts. Presidents represent the entirety of the American people.

          There’s no reason why you can’t have national popular-vote presidential elections and state/local elections for U.S. Senators and House reps.

          As far as the “if you live in a small state your vote is worthless without the EC” argument goes, I’ll see your hand and raise you: if you live in ANY state that is dominated by one party, your vote doesn’t count. Think Republicans in California, or Democrats in Texas (at least for now). And we’re not just talking about California or Texas – there are vast swaths of states that are dominated by one party. Democrats control the West Coast, most of the Rust Belt, the Eastern Seaboard and almost all of New England, and Republicans dominate the plains states, Texas, Appalachia, and pretty much anywhere south of the Mason-Dixon line. That means the “opposition” in these huge chunks of America might as well vote for Sponge Bob come election day – all so that folks in Wyoming or Hawaii have an outside chance of swinging an election.

          I don’t care how anyone slices that – it makes zero sense.

          So, you can make sure that folks in Rhode Island or Wyoming can swing an election – yay for them, I suppose. Or you can make it so that every voice in every state counts. I know what choice I’d make.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            “Presidents represent the entirety of the American people. ”

            Nope. POTUS does not represent any people. I am not even typing this. Just copy/paste

            “[POTUS] is the head of state and head of government of the United States of America. The president directs the executive branch of the federal government and is the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces.”

            Basically, a CEO with missiles. I don’t remember, when last time CEO would represent employees. He represents board of trustees and shareholders. For Trump that was small business, and US based companies. For Biden, this is all over the world.

            referencing to your soviet block comment – yea, we in the “block” had learned good about America. So we can use our knowledge to fight it.But what I’ve learned over the last 20 years or so, is that many Americans do everything to destroy this state. We did not even have to deploy all the sleepers.

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            As long as we are changing the Constitution based on our opinions of the moment, I would like to bring back the Monarchy. [It’s cool, it’s stylish, a lot of countries do it.]

            (And then we should model our economic system after Venezuela – it works until it doesn’t.)

          • 0 avatar
            Daniel J

            Sorry, but we are a Democratic REPUBLIC. Not a true democracy. The founding fathers understood that a rule by consensus / mob rule isn’t a good idea.

            The president is an executor. Not a representative. This idea that certain states will never go one way or another is garbage. Just look at Georgia. Look at California. Yes, its been years, but things do change for these states.

            The electoral college is a safeguard against fraud. It is a safeguard for small states to get interest by these candidates, even though they may have a low number of electoral college votes, they have lower voters needed to get those votes.

            Also keep in mind this has only happend 5 times. 5 times. So lets change laws over an anamoly. What happens when a democrat loses the popular vote and wins the electoral college?

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    el scotto

    TTAC Mods: There seems to be a spike in commenting about COVID. Thought you had that shut down.

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    ajla

    A lot of commenters are making complete fools of themselves in this thread.

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