By on October 9, 2019

2018 Chevrolet Traverse - Image: GM

The Chevrolet Traverse represents the pinnacle of the brand’s crossover range, offering buyers voluminous cargo and passenger space, and maybe a hidden gremlin.

After purchasing the three-row crossover new in 2018, one owner has had to return to his dealership 50 times to diagnose and fix a range of unusual problems, and his journey isn’t at an end. He’ll be reassured to know that he’s not alone.

As detailed in a report by Canada’s Global News, Toronto’s Elias Mitoulas didn’t have to wait long after buying the freshly revamped crossover before problems arose. Within 7,000 km of ownership, electric faults began cropping up. Window would intermittently roll up or down, but not reverse course when the owner flicked the necessary buttons. Even odder, the retractable side mirrors would sometimes go into scared-turtle mode when he shifted into reverse.

Placing the vehicle into drive, Mitoulas said, is was no guarantee that it would stay there. Sometimes it would shift into reverse while moving forward.

“You put it in gear, it gives a hard kick,” he said.

Now, 50 dealer visits later, he’d like to see the Traverse take a hike. While General Motors covered the serving and parts, the owner doesn’t trust his vehicle, not is he satisfied that the bugs have left the ship. Last winter, the Traverse died on a crowded, snowy highway after the “vehicle’s electrical system went down,” requiring the summoning of a tow truck.

“They go, ‘Elias, welcome, how are you?” Mitoulas said of the friendly folks at his local dealership. Folks he sees too often. Within the past month, he’s been back for another visit; this time, he was told his nine-speed transmission requires a swap.

While Mitoulas says he’d like GM to buy the vehicle from him and replace it, the automaker says this isn’t in the cards.

“We’ve had multiple touchpoints with Mr. Mitoulas on the concerns he has raised,” GM spokesperson Jacqueline Thomson told Global. “We’ve engaged one of our field engineers to work with the dealer to validate the sufficiency of all repairs and confirm normal operating condition of the vehicle.”

The Traverse remains one of GM’s top-selling vehicles and one owner’s experience could come down to a bad moment at the assembly plant. However, lemons grow on trees, and there’s often neighbors on that branch.

Sure enough, complaints are rolling in to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

On October 3rd, an owner in Desoto, Texas filed a complaint saying the vehicle issues a “shift to park” warning when they attempt to turn off the vehicle, despite the vehicle already being in park. As a result of the warning, the Traverse won’t turn off.

On September 28th, an identical, all-caps complaint rolled in from New York:

WHEN I ATTEMPT TO TURN MY VEHICLE OFF, I GET A MESSAGE ON THE SCREEN THAT SAYS TO PUT THE CAR IN PARK. I VERIFIED THAT THE CAR IS IN PARK AND THE SCREEN READS THAT IT IS. THE MESSAGE CONTINUES, AND THE VEHICLE WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO SHUT ANYTHING OFF OR LOCK THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE JUST CONTINUES TO CHIME. THE ONLY RECOURSE IS TO DISCONNECT THE BATTERY. BUT THEN, I CANNOT LOCK THE VEHICLE.

Three days earlier, an owner in Greencastle, Pennsylvania wrote to complain of a Traverse that wouldn’t go after the auto stop feature shut down at a stoplight. When the light went green, the engine fired up, but the vehicle would only lurch forward aggressively. The check engine light soon came on, and a tow truck was soon called.

On September 18th, an owner in Souderton, PA had this to say:

THE CAR DOES NOT REGISTER WHEN THE CAR IS IN PARK AFTER I TURN IT OFF. IT READS “SHIFT TO PARK” AND I HAVE TO SPEND SEVERAL MINUTES JIGGLING THE SHIFTER OR RESTARTING THE CAR AND GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT GEARS.

Two additional “shift to park” complaints hit the NHTSA inbox on Sept. 17th and 18th, plus this gripe on Sept. 16th:

MULTIPLE INSTANCES HAVE OCCURRED WHERE ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM AND OTHER AREAS OF DASH RANDOMLY SHUTDOWN WHILE DRIVING. MUSIC CAN NOT BE PLAYED, TURN SIGNAL SOUNDS ARE NO LONGER HEARD, AND VOICE OPERATIONS DO NOT WORK. TURNING CAR ON AND OFF DOES NOT SOLVE PROBLEM

Another stop-start/tranny/engine light issue and yet another “shift to park” complain was documented in early September. In total, there are 76 complaints on file for the 2018 Traverse, with zero recalls or investigations issued. To date, the NHTSA has 384 manufacturer communications on file for the model, 85 of them pertaining to the electrical system.

However, a scan of recent manufacturer bulletins does not reveal documents dealing with the full range of problems described here. Last November, a bulletin issued by GM addressed the “shift to park” issue, if only to bring it to light. The cause at the time was unknown, with GM claiming engineers were “investigating the root cause.”

[H/T to Nicholas!]

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93 Comments on “Traversing Familiar Ground: After 50 Dealer Trips, One Chevy Owner Wishes for a Final Fix...”


  • avatar
    Big Smoke

    In some states, 3 documented trips to the dealer for the same issue qualifies the vehicle, for a lemon buy back.

    In Canada 50 trips to the dealer, and you get a sorry, and your car back.
    Next story – Traverse on fire outside GM head office. News 7 reports…..

  • avatar
    Big Smoke

    In some states, 3 documented trips to the dealer for the same issue qualifies the vehicle, for a lemon buy back.

    In Canada 50 trips to the dealer, and you get a sorry, and your car back.
    Next story – Traverse on fire outside GM head office. News 7 reports…..

  • avatar
    ToddAtlasF1

    I’ve seen this play out a few times with the Traverse/Enclave/Acadia. The problem is the alternator. The dealers would rather ruin their customers’ lives because they know that it is incredibly hard to get to and the Chinese AC Delco replacements are highly likely to be defective right out of the box.

  • avatar

    This is Barra’s GM were profits take precedence over quality. GM’s quality has been dropping dramatically over the last few years.

  • avatar
    Secret Hi5

    Such niggling issues is why I turned Japanese
    after six Big 3.

  • avatar
    roloboto

    GM vehicles are such garbage.

  • avatar
    Davekaybsc

    Glad we have lemon laws here. In Oregon, 3 failed fixes, or one failed fix if the problem is potentially deadly, or 30 days out of commission, and GM is buying the car back, or they’re getting sued.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    These are the Dustbusters of the current era, unattractive and not particularly reliable. The local dealer, at the parts counter, has a local mechanics card that prominently displays that it rebuilds the engines in these.

    I don’t understand how anyone goes to the dealer and looks at these, and looks at the Tahoe, and buys this.

    • 0 avatar
      GoNavy99

      I don’t understand how a whole host of people buy the cars that they do given the range of choices they have. “How did you settle on THAT thing?”

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Exactly,

        It looks like a turd, GM is known for making FWD unibodies that have turd reliability, and crawling under the car everything looks undersized.

        Basing your choice on “Ooo shiny, what’s the monthly payment” is as dumb of a decision as it sounds. But that’s the actual decision making process of some people.

  • avatar
    thelaine

    “Multiple touch points” with the customer? What?

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    50 dealer visits… How is the coffee?

    But seriously, this is why I only buy new vehicles.

  • avatar
    redgolf

    He bought it new, jeez, I feel sorry for this guy, shame on the dealer for not making it right! No shame on GM, crap happens! Lemon law should apply! Wake up Canada!

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      By fifty visits in, the dealer has replaced the offending alternator at least once with a brand new defective alternator from GM’s Chinese parts bin.

    • 0 avatar
      SSJeep

      I was wondering whether it was purchased new or used. The types of problems he is having would be indicative of a flood recovered vehicle. But if they are happening to the Traverse/Acadia/Enclave in higher numbers, its definitely manufacturing gremlins.

  • avatar
    Gardiner Westbound

    The automobile industry operated Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Plan (CAMVAP) is Canada’s fake lemon law. BMW and Mitsubishi were allowed to opt out! Most valid claims are ordered back for yet another repair attempt. A buyback, ordered in one of eight cases, is cost-prohibitive. The authorized calculation can undervalue the vehicle by 50%. The claimant must waive his right to sue. If CAMVAP sides with the manufacturer he’s done to a fine turn.

  • avatar
    thegamper

    I actually like the Traverse quite a bit and considered it strongly when buying just a few months ago. Considering that GM sells these by the boatload, 75 complaints out of what, 150,000 examples? Just to be realistic, a high volume vehicle is always going to log complaints. Not to discount the issue, but a half percent defect isn’t outrageous. Honda’s 1.5t gasoline in oil, Toyota Tacoma frame rot or engine sludge issues show that despite perceptions to the contrary, every automaker has issues.

    This site and the best and brightest are (or deserve to be) notorious for piling on. Just sayin.

    I will say that I actually have some experience with this though. Some friends on my kid’s soccer team had a 2018 and last year got stranded when the car wouldn’t shift out of park despite the gear selector indicating it was in drive. Not sure what ultimately happened, but of course it was a big family that had to split up in the team caravan for a multi hour ride home on Sunday afternoon.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      The bigger issue to me is how GM is handling this issue. They should have made an honest attempt to “make whole” the customer.

      • 0 avatar
        MeJ

        Yep.
        This is not how to inspire loyal customers.
        Give the guy a new car or buy him out. Then we’d be talking about how great GM treats their customers.
        Instead we’re all thinking ‘no way in hell am I buying a Chevy Travesty or any other GM product’.

  • avatar
    Lokki

    This is so depressing. 50 years ago there were no better cars available to the average man than a General Motors vehicle. Today Consumer Reports gives the Traverse an overall score of 65 out of a possible 100 while the same-class Subaru Ascent gets a score of 96 and the Kia Telluride gets a 90. On a scale for reliability where 5 is the maximum possible, the Traverse scores a 1.

    And GM just keeps pretending that everything is just fine.

    • 0 avatar
      Detroit-X

      And with GM failing the basics on conventional cars, they want to make self-driving cars. Yeah, right. Bring in the lawyers for all the crashes and lawsuits.

  • avatar
    Detroit-X

    Several of my neighbors have owned the Traverse, Enclave, Acadia, and Outlooks. All had terrible reliability and have idiotic or disappointing problems. GM help lines were a waste of time and the dealer service was a total joke. No GM vehicles have sat in their driveways since. Hard shifting transmissions. Power liftgate failures. A/C failures. Paint being rubbed off by door seals! Body creaks and rattles. Odd electrical things. Consumers Reports shows the carnage after about four years of age–hey–that’s right out of warranty! The warranty they reduced coverage on back in 2016.

    • 0 avatar
      gtem

      My brother has worked on several Lambdas with problematic electrical systems, one buy drove all the way up with an under-warranty Acadia all the way from West Virginia just to have him figure it out after getting frustrated with several useless dealerships.

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      My 2016 Silverado died in the middle of a busy street once. I called roadside assistance, and even though there was a Chevy dealer in that city, they couldn’t produce a tow truck to come and get me. I was on the phone so long that the truck got over it, and I was able to finally start it up and drive home.

      • 0 avatar
        DweezilSFV

        The first of this crew were experiencing engine failures not long after intro in the mid 00s. I remember reading about bum Saturn Outlooks on the Saturn Fans website.

        Sounds like a dubious legacy.

        GM figure out intermediate steering shafts yet ?

  • avatar
    redgolf

    the gamper -“Toyota Tacoma frame rot or engine sludge issues show that despite perceptions to the contrary, every automaker has issues.” My old company Dana Corp, They shut our plant down in Michigan building Ford truck frames, to keep our sister plant running in Canada!Hey, keep my small pension check coming!
    https://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/18/report-dana-coughs-up-25m-to-toyota-over-rusty-tacoma-frames/

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      Sorry about your pension, but what Dana Corp’s UAW workforce did to Toyota by skipping preparation steps and falsifying reports sure looks like sabotage.

      • 0 avatar
        redgolf

        Don’t be sorry for my pension, it’s protected! Not enough to break me even if it defaults!

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          I suppose the UAW was served. The guys who sabotaged the frames lost their jobs. The guys who turned them into trucks at NUMMI lost their jobs. The plants in Texas saw no job growth. Meanwhile, the superior second generation Tundra didn’t do to the Ghetto-3 pickups what the Camry did to the Taurus. People still buy a couple million crummy pickups a year to this day. Thanks former-Dana Corp UAW laborers!

  • avatar
    Wodehouse

    Seriously, 50 trips?! It’s a bit spineless to make that many attempts. It seems that most vehicle owners would have taken more drastic measures after the 5th or 6th trip in such a short time period. Something smells…

    • 0 avatar
      N8iveVA

      Canadians are much easier going. “No problem eh, give it another shot while I wait in your lovely waiting area.”

      • 0 avatar
        Arthur Dailey

        Nor thankfully is Canadian society as litigious as in the USA.
        As Gardner Westbound noted Canada does have a sham plan known as CAMVAMP which is very much manufacturer biased.

        Thankfully the Automobile Protection Association founded by Phil Edmonston (author of Lemon-Aid) was founded to assist owners of defective vehicles and has won, I believe, 2 class action lawsuits.

  • avatar

    A prolonged strike will finally get rid of Barra, and this madness can finally end. When a CEO is concerned with profits at the expense of quality, design, and engineering it is time for a change. I hear even the ignition key scandal is returning.

    • 0 avatar
      DweezilSFV

      Noooooo. After 10 years my 05 ION finally got a good one. Plus I got refunded the one I had to pay for.

      Only took ME 5 chances at the Wheel o’ GM parts till the recall finally happened,and it was finally fixed for good.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    GM is a health care company for workers that retired 30 years ago, and they make cars on the side. What do you expect?

    • 0 avatar
      GoNavy99

      Actually not true. In bankruptcy the Big 3 transferred and largely funded all of their healthcare obligations to what’s known as the UAW Retiree Medical Benefits Trust (www.uawtrust.org). You wouldn’t know it from its small-ish office in Ann Arbor but they oversee tens of billions in investment assets that fund retiree healthcare benefits, and are independent of the manufacturers.

  • avatar
    MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

    50? FIFTY??!!!!!?

    How is this not a simple Lemon Law case?

    I know people with earlier model Traverses who love them, but I’ve never been a fan. LOVE my Tahoe, and it’s been 100% reliable and hassle-free. But if I ever had a vehicle that even required TEN trips back, there’d be hell to pay and they’d get sick of me REAL fast.

  • avatar

    Yup, the alternators are a thing . My one GM car had the 3.6 HFV6, which is the six that lives in pretty much every GM car ever built in the last 5 years.

    Alternator one died at 70k miles. Alternator two (rebuild) lasted oh, 12k max. Alternator three made it to 120k when I got out of the car. My tech said that GM alternators are a total crapshoot, which was why he suggested and I agreed on a “new” rebuilt Cadillac Alternator. They are all rebuilt, and like transmissions, you only get a real “new” one OE….

    This is the same car that ate 5 wheel bearings. I hit zero curbs in that time and bent zero wheels.

    You can only drive down parts prices so low, even assuming chinese wages, labor standards and technology, and the fact that they’ll sub a cheaper metal/part as soon as the buyer isn’t looking…and GM has pushed that to the very bottom of the bottom.

    My GM experience was what is commonly described as a German Car experience on this forums, although the Germans are usually faulted for over engineering the solution, not starting as cheap bastards.

    Shame too. The CTS clearly had very good designers and engineers, but the fail was in the execution….built like a 17k Sunbird, not the Benz they fancy themselves competing with.

    GM…Not Even Once.

  • avatar
    Fliggin_De_Fluge

    Oh dont worry guys, a simple software patch will fix everything. (eyeroll)

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Back in 2002-05, my VW dealer knew me by name. The issues weren’t spaced close enough together to qualify under PA’s lemon laws.

    Then in 2005-07, my Honda dealer knew me by name. I kept a spreadsheet of all the “touchpoints”; I think there were about 30. Dumped the vehicle a week after the lemon lawsuit settled.

    Now after a decade of Hyundai/Kia ownership, I think I’ve only had 2 faults that required dealer attention (recalls aside).

    I can’t believe GM thinks it is worth it to double down on this customer and not just give him a new vehicle. Few companies realize the collateral damage of bad press like this.

    • 0 avatar
      Ultraviolet Thunder

      I was a Ford owner for over 30 years and finally had to let my 1997 Ford Escort go after nearly 180k miles as problems were finally starting to hit and putting a thousand on a car worth $250 was not my idea of money well spent (engine and transmission never had been touched).

      I went car shopping in January and shopped used cars for the first time. I went brand blind and tested everything I could in the price range and bought the newest I could with the lowest mileage for that budget price.

      I ended up with a 2016 Hyundai Elantra (6 speed) with 21k miles for $12k. The car was amazing – former fleet car (not rental) looked brand new inside and out and drove like it. I cannot be happier. Plus it gets 46 mpgs per tank (over 8000k miles later).

      I ditched Ford because it ditched me – no small car – no manual transmission – and nothing in my budget. I am so thankful that Ford had me look at Hyundai. I might never switch brands again.

  • avatar
    pmirp1

    If you listen to car wizard on you tube, he strongly advises against purchasing any front wheel drive GM SUV.

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      This has been true for decades, are people just now figuring this out?

      GM makes… made, great vehicles, as long as you stuck with the BOF V8 vehicles, if you got cocky and deviated from buying those vehicles the end result has always been predictable.

      • 0 avatar
        SaulTigh

        That’s a broad brush. I’m no defender of GM, but if they build a vehicle long enough they generally work out the bugs. The GM W-bodies were pretty solid vehicles.

        Where they shit the bed is when they try to keep up with Japanese development cycles and new tech.

        As for front drive SUVs, the tight packaging inherent in the designs of these vehicles makes reliability doubly important. If you have to remove significant amounts of body work or machinery to get at something, labor will soar for repairs. Ford is guilty of this too. I give you the water pump location on their 3.5L transverse V6 which is why I no longer own a Lincoln MKZ, which I otherwise really liked.

      • 0 avatar
        ponchoman49

        To date all of my FWD GM mid/full sized sedans have been bullet proof. The secret- wait for the second or third model year of production. This of course is true with many companies.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      there are very few people on YouTube worth listening to.

  • avatar
    SaulTigh

    Articles like these make me feel pretty good about my decision to roll with depreciated, older vehicles. Yeah, my 24 year old Sable is slow, it rattles, it makes odd noises, but yet it’s been dead reliable for 3 years now with only one breakdown that resulted in a tow and a new starter.

    I just picked up an 18 year old Honda Accord for $2k (from my old man) and am working through a few minor issues. Love these older cars.

    • 0 avatar
      DweezilSFV

      True that.

      I crank about my POS ignition switches on my 05 ION but other than that no other problems. 72,000 miles, paid off, no intrusive federal nanny crap. I’m good for many years to come.

      Might it not be someone else’s dream but dropping out of all credit/debt is life affirming.

      Looks like I haven’t missed a bloody thing not going big on a new car.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    The Lambda Traverse was basically junk IIRC looks like the baton has been passed to a new platform.

    If I was GM, I would buy the model just to tear it down for an autopsy and figure out what the hell is going on with it. One would think, this would be worth the $100-150K in materials and engineer time (6 weeks, $9600 per engineer @ $40 x team of 5 = 48K for labor plus). You don’t even have to give the guy a new one, just write a check for his note + 10% which might be what 20K at this point total?

  • avatar
    TOTitan

    These things make my 16 Golf Sportwagen seem ultra reliable which after 65000 miles it has been. I also have a 11 X5 diesel with 170000 miles that still pulls like a freight train and has never had a component failure.

  • avatar
    monkeydelmagico

    Trade in time! So much easier than dealing with slimy regional reps and their “multiple touch points” b.s.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Why are my comments stating “Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM)” being deleted?

    Is TTAC under Peoples Republic of China ownership now?

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    “See the *customer lounge* in your Chevrolet…”

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    “‘We’ve had multiple touchpoints with Mr. Mitoulas on the concerns he has raised,’ GM spokesperson Jacqueline Thomson told Global. We’ve engaged one of our field engineers to work with the dealer to validate the sufficiency of all repairs and confirm normal operating condition of the vehicle.\'”

    “Touchpoints”? “Engaged”? “Validate”? “Sufficiency”?

    What a stupefying amount of corporate-speak. It’s like listening to a salesman from a PC hardware vendor.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      The same breed as that lady from the Ford article earlier this week, who claimed (in PR speak) that it’s totally normal to ship thousands of finished vehicles to a factory in a different state for inspections and corrections.

  • avatar
    Jerome10

    DeadWeight…. probably. Just another site in a long list.

    I’ll add that we have to know what the normal number of complaints are for other vehicles with similar sales. Not saying it isn’t a problem but to get an idea you need to compare the complaint rate with other vehicles and other automobile companies.

    With that said this is my ongoing problem with GM not-real-Trucks….. they feel like they’re engineered to 50,000 miles. And then on top of that I’ve been surprised how hard they are to work on for simple components. And then the problems seem like they never get addressed.

    My sister had the 1st gen Acadia. Hers actually was a pretty reliable one. But she did have a power steering leak that cost her $1400. And the air conditioner was on the fritz for several years (later in trying to help her out I found this was a notorious issue on those cars). So I thought ok cars have tendency for a bad compressor. Let’s get a new compressor in there. Only to realize you have to apparently remove the entire dashboard assembly to replace the air conditioning compressor. Thousands to fix a cheap commodity part. Then in that process you realize that it didn’t appear that GM ever resolved the issue. Cars 5 model years later still with high failure rate for A/C compressors. And it’s air conditioning for Christ sakes. It isn’t like GM could freeze beef with their A/c in the 1980s. We’ve got air compressors sorted by now.

    She had the opportunity to buy a family member slightly used Lexus and she did. Acadia has 100,000 miles on it when sold. But you had the feeling that maybe the struts were on their way. Maybe the wheel bearings. Etc. I suspect she will not buy another General Motors product again.

    Which is too bad because these vehicles kick butt on the merits. Tons of room even with 3rd row in use. And in my opinion a great blend of decent driving feel with a superb ride quality. Awesome family cars with AWD for skiing etc.

    But I think for her she just felt like a $1000 bill was always just around the corner. Most people don’t need that worry in their life.

    So it is frustrating because every now and then you see the flashes of GM brilliance. They obviously have the engineering know how and talent to build the best. They know how to design good looking cars. They know how to build useful family cars. They know how to build world beating sports cars. They can do it.

    And then they bone it all up because they want to save $0.10 here and $0.25 there and use suppliers that don’t give 2 craps about building any sort of quality. And those parts get installed in a way that replacing said cheap parts requires you to remove a dash or drop an engine etc.

    I suppose they engineer for lease buyers. They’ve got the good for 4years/50k miles down pat.

    We are a Michigan family but frankly who needs that? I could always argue that BMW or Mercedes does this too and cost way more money. But for that you (used to anyway) get cars that drove like nothing else. Superb handling. Buttery powerful engines. Brakes from god himself. You get something for the trash you put up with.

    But with General Motors what do you get? A car that drives just like a Toyota and costs the same when new but starts eating your wallet in half the time. Why bother? Just get a Toyota. You’re not getting anything “special” putting up with the GM cost cutting.

    And then you got Ford which is a mess in other ways…. feels like they cheap out on the engineering whereas GM cheaps on the parts suppliers.

    Would love to buy American. I actually really love the way Fords drive. But again, who needs a Powershift mess or a new Explorer headache?

    And the extra insult is that they’re capable of building great stuff… and don’t.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    It’s also worth noting that Ford is having a lot of teething issues with the new RWD based Explorer/Aviator. CR just ran an article stating such and the Ford newsgroups are alive with issues out of the gate. Another reason I always avoid all new models like those and this Traverse and wait for year 2 or 3 before even considering one. Then again Barra’s cost cutting, sedan elimination and all train wreck going on currently at GM would give me severe pause before buying another. Her vision of triple zero is going to put her company at zero if this crap keeps up!

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      ” train wreck going on currently at GM would give me severe pause before buying another.”

      A lot of real world buyers feel the way you do, and have bought from non-union automakers/transplants based in Southern right-to-work States.

      I have heard a few complaints from (Heche en Mexico) Silverado LT buyers about fit and fitment, all of it resolved by a day-long appointment at their GM dealer. Among the complaints a leaking windshield (passenger side on top), misaligned driver-side front door, engine failed to restart at a stoplight.

  • avatar
    Ultraviolet Thunder

    50 times? At 10 I’d be going ballastic!

    This reminds me of the youtuber who is an Applehead who has a $5k Mac Book Pro that has had numerous operating issues to the point where it shuts off after several minutes and with the usual inoperable keys on the keyboard. He’s taken it to Apple numerous times and they’ve told him hit works perfectly well.

    He is on the verge of suing Apple to get his piece of fruit fixed.

  • avatar
    tomLU86

    akear– I would not be surprised if that is the UAW’s ulterior motive–to remove Barra.

    It won’t happen. Heck, the board will probably give her a raise. Remember, American boardrooms are interconnected. They take care of each other

    I’ve from this strike, both GM’s CEO and the UAW leadership are delusional.

    I won’t be surprised to see it ending with things essentially unchanged from before, but with the poisoned atmosphere, many of the salaried people and hourly people will have to work that much harder.

    GM is oblivious to the fact that many Americans have crossed GM off the list, not because of the merits of its’ products (or lack thereof), but because the government bailed out GM. This incident will remind them, and those who had forgotten…

    As for this Traverse, this particular sample is a POS. Mr. Mitoulas got shafted. But I’d still take a Traverse over a Ford/Lincoln Explorer.

    And I loved duke-is-duke comment…stupefying amount of corporate doublespeak.

    Welcome to America and the West in 2019!

  • avatar
    DweezilSFV

    After living with one of GM’s vehicles afflicted with that POS ignition switch/Passlock garbage, there is no way in Hades I would buy another GM vehicle with extra super advanced mo modern electronic gadgetry.

    FOAD GM.


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