By on July 11, 2019

Cadillac is hard at work preparing for the next generation of their big bruiser Escalade. Lincoln’s counterpart, the Navigator, makes a healthy 450 horsepower from its Raptor engine. How does Cadillac plan to compete? A new report suggest it’s going to get some help from the Camaro.

According to a posting from Muscle Cars and Trucks, the Escalade is going offer the supercharged V8 that powers the Camaro ZL1 and the Corvette Z06. While details are light on when this engine will go in, or what type of performance to expect, it is apparently going to be a “powerhouse.” 

The 650-horsepower and 650 lb-ft that comes from the LT4 would be a great performance boost in a vehicle like the Escalade, but it would be a bit surprising to see General Motors not use the new Blackwing twin-turbo V8 that Cadillac is working on. A flagship engine really should be in a flagship product and, with SUV sales the way they are, the next-generation Escalade will be the flagship.

There is another possibility, though less likely. Cadillac could be reserving the Blackwing name for a series of engines, and those engines might be different depending on the application. It seems ridiculous, though, for Cadillac to not offer that engine eventually in the Escalade, especially since it’s going to appear in other products.

Cadillac does need to do something to stand out, however. While the Escalade is certainly a premium offering, it’s starting to show its age compared to something modern like the German competition and the new Navigator. Lincoln has stepped up its game recently, and the upcoming Aviator will use an advanced hybrid powertrain that makes 600 lb-ft of torque.  That hybrid architecture is expected to roll out in varying degrees across both Ford and Lincoln.

Hopefully we’ll know soon enough if this supercharged V8 report is true.

 

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52 Comments on “Next Generation Cadillac Escalade to Receive Supercharged Camaro V8: Report...”


  • avatar

    It still has a rubbish chassis and interior. There is only so much an engine can do. GM should outsource the Escalade design and engineering to FCA. They have already proven they can build superior trucks and SUVs.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I guess akear is one of the guys who’s testing the Escalade mules. I mean, how else would he know the thing has a “rubbish chassis and interior” before it’s even introduced to the public?

    • 0 avatar
      bd2

      The next gen gets a new chassis w/ IRS.

      2 things that Cadillac needs to get better w/ the new model: (1) better packaging (not the most efficient use w/ all that size) and (2) new interior design language w/ the befitting level of materials (the “new” design in the CT5, XT6, etc. is still not up to par).

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Better packaging would be nice in an 80s Suburban kinda way, but without the solid rear axle the next Escalade will fizzle out with decent sales in the beginning and few within 3-4 years. The only thing GM has over every other full-size is the Solid rear axle, without it the Escalade is a useless vehicle, and the current owners know that.

        This is a farewell to the GM SUVs, they have been making them more car like over the last 2-3 generations but this is the final nail in the coffin.

        • 0 avatar
          bd2

          The vast majority of Cadillac sales (of which the Escalade makes a significant proportion) are located in the major urban metro areas.

          43% of the 925 or so Cadillac dealerships only sell about 50 Cadillacs a year (being smaller dealerships in more rural areas, usually adjoined to a Chevy/GMC dealership) – accounting for only around 9% of the total sales volume.

          You really think not having a solid-rear axle makes any sort of difference to the vast majority of Escalade buyers? (Actually, one of the biggest complaints about the Escalade has been about its ride quality.)

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            They may have messed up the current generation but the GMT800 rode fantastic, and don’t forget the town car had the same setup. If a car with a solid axle rides poor it’s a problem with the engineering not the axle.

            Fact is the Escalade despite being older and having a much poorer quality interior is still outselling the navigator. Among full-size SUVs GM is number 1 and everyone else is a bit player, it used to be a much larger segment but the advent of IRS has destroyed the entire segment. The only player to retain any market share is the GM trucks and without the solid rear they have as much cache as the Armada, Sequioa, etc; and the sales will collapse as they did for all of those trucks post IRS transition.

  • avatar
    ajla

    “A flagship engine really should be in a flagship product”

    What makes the LT4 less “flagship” worthy vs the Blackwing?
    GM is probably going to learn that they could have just saved all the Blackwing development costs and used the existing LT architecture in the first place.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      Because a lot of people equate OHC as far superior and modern as compared to OHV. It is a nonsense argument; both designs have some great attributes and drawbacks, but image and perception move the metal, especially as the price goes up. While I can see the higher RPM as being desirable in a sportscar, in a luxury SUV I consider it meaningless. But I am not even remotely ever being a customer for a full size truck like this.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Crappy NVH.

      GM has never solved that issue with the SBC, which is why none of the last three generations have ever been used in any proper luxury cars despite their excellence otherwise.

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        The SBC is better than any turbo four in refinement, but Cadillac is putting those in their sedans.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        I just don’t feel it. Crappy NVH compared to what? I have the same engine now that Genesis puts into the G90 and it’s not any smoother than was my 345 “HEMI”. Ditto with the Mercedes, Infiniti, Maserati, and Jaguar V6 engines I test drove.

        I don’t have a ton of driving experience with the LT engines, does the Chrysler V8 really give superior NVH compared to GM’s offerings?

        • 0 avatar
          jack4x

          NVH can be mitigated for far far less than the cost of developing a new V8 engine, especially in a large SUV where space is not at a premium.

        • 0 avatar
          raph

          ajla the hemi’s have an edge since they use cast iron. While seemingly low tech CI is great for quelling NVH.

          The old 5.4 in my GT500 with its CI block was way better at controlling NVH compared to the all aluminum Coyote in the 2015 GT I had. It was such a difference I thought the Coyote had some sort of mechanical issue. Turns out the all aluminum engine and further weight reduction gave the illusion on an engine about to go tits up.

          The GT500 also had an after market shifter that used urethane and metal bushings to reduce play.

      • 0 avatar
        87 Morgan

        Please expand on this ‘NVH’ you speak of within the LS engine platform. I only ask because I have 3 of them and obviously do not get it. The only time I find the noise to be out of line is when I mat it. Otherwise I have found them to be quiet and reasonably efficient.

        • 0 avatar
          APaGttH

          …Please expand on this ‘NVH’ you speak of within the LS engine platform. I only ask because I have 3 of them and obviously do not get it. The only time I find the noise to be out of line is when I mat it. Otherwise I have found them to be quiet and reasonably efficient…

          This. Exactly this. LS engines definite scream when you plant the pedal, otherwise I’m not seeing the NVH arguement. That may have held true decades ago (literally) but NVH + LS engines for more than a decade does not compute.

  • avatar
    Dan R

    End of days.

  • avatar
    rpol35

    Why?

    It’s a hot rod engine deserving of the Camaro or the Corvette but seems just to be disorganized thinking, product planning and marketing on GM’s part. It appears we’ve gone full circle back to the horsepower wars of the ’50’s and the power is all that matters. And in typical fashion Jeep will one up it with a 808 HP Jeep Grand Wagoneer.

    Seems like a move made by an outfit that has nothing left to offer.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      “Seems like a move made by an outfit that has nothing left to offer.”

      That’s because they’ve given up, GM now always takes the cheap and easy way out. The sad thing is GM knows how to make great cars, they just choose not to :(

    • 0 avatar
      Maymar

      Or Cadillac recognizes how many G63 AMG’s and X6M’s and such sell for ridiculous money, and they want on that ridiculous money train too while there’s any left to be had?

  • avatar
    Adam Tonge

    I demand a Navigator 7.3TT PHEV with 1000 horsepower and 1000 lb-ft of torque.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    Talk about gravy money…how much does that supercharger cost GM? Gonna be some yuge incremental profits on this one.

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      I don’t see what people are upset about here. Escalade customers will pay for an engine that lets them walk away from German V8s. As for the Blackwing, it will probably be DOA. They aren’t putting it in enough cars for Cadillac to ever work through its teething issues. It won’t be around long enough for there to be aftermarket support either.

      • 0 avatar
        Snooder

        Honestly I dont get GM sometimes.

        Sharing engines from high end sports car to high end luxury vehicles is the one part of being a volume manufacturer that is actually useful.

        Nobody is gonna be irritated that their Caddy has the engine from a Corvette. Everybody is irritated when their Caddy has the same cheap plastic interior as a Camaro.

        And yet GM sees zero problems with the latter but balks at the former.

        • 0 avatar
          lstanley

          “Nobody is gonna be irritated that their Caddy has the engine from a Corvette.”

          Hell, 90% of them would brag it has a Corvette engine.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            Yeah just read the Craigslist ads for Whale Era Roadmasters/Caprices/Fleetwoods

            “CORVETTE ENGINE” – meh, not really. Corvette derived perhaps but not an actual CORVETTE ENGINE.

  • avatar
    JMII

    People want SUVs.
    People want massive HP (as long as gas is cheap).

    So they are just giving the people what they want.

    As mentioned the developement cost is near zero, so this is easy money.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    A 650-hp SUV would be a first class sleeper. Go for it!

  • avatar
    sckid213

    I am a current Cadillac owner in my mid-30s on the West Coast. That makes me a rare bird. I am loyal to Cadillac because my dad loves the brand, and because I’ve had a great experience with my current CTS.

    If Cadillac does not absolutely NAIL the next Escalade on all fronts, I’ll be out and just lease an Audi or RR Velar like every other d-bag in Los Angeles.

    This report is promising, as it signals Caddy knows they have to bring out all the stops to stay competitive.

  • avatar
    cprescott

    Cadihack clings to the dinosaur theory of building its vehicles. Instead of really innovating, it brings out tired old hardware and slaps something on it to make it seem new. At a price point nearing $100k, it has failed to learn that people are avoiding these dust collectors and are buying superior products from companies that are advancing the automotive segment.

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      And they have no problem selling them.

      Translation – profit.

      I mean come on man, how old is the underlying chassis on a Lexus LX570 that is just a fistful of dollars more than a Land Cruiser?

      Oh wait, when Lexus does that it is genius.

  • avatar

    I applaud the go big wastefulness…that’s Cadillac heritage. The target household for the first buyer can afford pretty much anything…the ability to say “Its gotta Vette motor” at the barbeque is a selling point. The other possibility is that they have an assembly line to make X engines, but the take rate in the corvette is lower than anticipated, so they have have extra capacity, the Escalade is an easy install, and as a truck, won’t mess up CAFE numbers too badly.

  • avatar
    Michael S6

    GM considered strapping a jet engine to this pig in order to achieve escape velocity, but unfortunately could not fit big enough gas tanks.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    Uh, why does Cadillac sell their luxury SUVs with discounts like Chevy trucks?

  • avatar
    JoeBrick

    The ‘flagship’ Cadillac is still just a version of the Chevy pickup. Something is very wrong here…Your people I do not understand. So to you, I shall put an end…

    • 0 avatar
      APaGttH

      The ‘flagship’ Lexus SUV is just a version of a Toyota SUV. Something is very wrong here…

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        The Toyota that the LX570 is based on has better owner demographics than anything built in the US since the Duesenberg Model J.

      • 0 avatar
        el scotto

        @APaGtth, the Escalade appeals to those who are told what kind of safety shoes to wear to work, the Lexus appeals to those who have their shoes buffed and resoled as needed.

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          I saw a new LX570 today. It was pretty hard to look at. The Land Cruiser grill and rocker panels are nothing special, but Lexus should stop poaching stylists from BMW. I also talked to one of the best techs from the shop I used to manage about the Land Cruiser I’m planning on buying. Nobody who sees how cars are made prefers the way an Escalade is slapped together to the perfect machine a Land Cruiser embodies.

          I have actually met a number of LX owners. They are all women. It almost seems like gender is what makes someone buy an LX instead of an LC, assuming you recognize gender as being a thing.

          • 0 avatar
            el scotto

            Mr. Atlas, it’s a combo of gender and marketing. A retired woman will gladly buy a high mile LX and use it as her winter beater. The Lexus store regards a high mile LX as a used vehicle that needs to be moved. Over at the Toyota store, there will be a waiting list for the LC coming in on trade. The list will almost be entirely men. The high mile LC will be some man’s pride and joy.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Buying a used one seems like cheating. The point is to buy a new one and then keep it long enough to talk to all of your Benz-driving peers about what a better person you are for buying real instead of disposable luxury.

  • avatar
    Add Lightness

    I just can’t get over how well GM nailed the hearse look with this and it’s variants in black.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Who cares, reports show the next gen Escalade has moved to IRS, without the solid axle in the rear this is no more interesting than a Kia Sorento.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    HOLY SH!T THE NEXT GENERATION FLAGSHIP CADILLAC ESCALADE, A VEHICLE PRICED (MSRP) AS HIGH OR HIGHER THAN PREMIUM GERMAN (AUDI, BMW, MB) AND JAPANESE (LEXUS) LARGE SUVs, WILL HAVE…

    …GASP…

    …INDEPENDENT REAR SUSPENSION!!!

    SH!T’S GETTIN’ REAL, YO!

  • avatar
    dantes_inferno

    That engine will push it’s stellar fuel economy to 2 gallons per mile.

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      The fuel economy memes must be in black and white because they haven’t been relevant in at least 20 years. The 6.2L does stellar on fuel while pushing the 0-60 below 6 seconds in the Escalade. And that’s just the N/A version.

  • avatar
    HotPotato

    A mere passenger car engine? Horsefeathers! I demand a Hall-Scott underfloor bus engine, with a ground-shaking rumble and economy of one gallon per mile!


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