By on May 31, 2019

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“2.7L Turbo” — that’s General Motors’ preferred description of the large-displacement four-cylinder found in Chevrolet’s 2019 Silverado 1500. When wearing a Cadillac crest, however,  the motor generates additional grunt and serves as the main motivator for the new CT4-V, a sportier version of Caddy’s new compact.

The CT4-V (seen above) debuted alongside the hotter version of its midsize sibling, the CT5-V, in an event held in Detroit Thursday night. No, the regular CT4 was not there. After getting over the shock of a V-badged Cadillac with a four-banger mill, guests were confused to learn that there may be additional V-badged versions of these two sedans.

As expected, the larger CT5-V carries a version of the twin-turbo 3.0-liter V6 found elsewhere in the Caddy lineup. In this application, the engine generates an estimated 355 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque, routed to the rear (or all four) wheels via a 10-speed automatic.

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That blown six transfers into traction through 245/40R19 rubber, with the 3,975-pound sedan aided on the handling course by the latest iteration of GM’s Magnetic Ride Control. For this application, the suspension setup adopts V-specific tuning.

It sounds fine, until you recall that the model this vehicle replaces — the beastly CTS-V — carries a supercharged 6.2-liter V8, good for 640 hp and 630 lb-ft.

For the smaller CT4-V, which looks very much like its Escala-inspired stablemate, power comes by way of the aforementioned 2.7-liter turbo four, aided by extra boost, and routed through a 10-speed auto. Rear-drive is standard, with AWD available. Better breathing ramps the 2.7L’s power up to 320 hp and 369 lb-ft — a mild improvement over the Silverado’s 310 hp and 348 lb-ft, but a big climb-down from the ATS-V’s twin-turbo 3.6-liter V6. That engine produced 464 hp and 445 lb-ft.

Looking at the CT4-V’s engine, it’s safe to assume the base CT4 mill will be GM’s trusty turbo 2.0-liter.

But what of the other V-series variants promised in Detroit? As reported by Roadshow, Cadillac’s executive chief engineer, Brandon Vivian, said that broadening the V-series “gives us the ability to have a range of V-Series models,” adding, “there will be different personas.”

Different personas, yes, but what about the names? You’re not alone in thinking it’s weird that a V-series Cadillac model could come in more than one form, with, perhaps, more than one engine. How will Cadillac differentiate the variants via trunklid badging? Stay tuned for the answer to that question. It’s likely the brand will lean on its bizarre metric torque figure badging strategy as one way of separating the different variants.

Certainly, Cadillac has hotter mills than either the 3.0TT and 2.7L Turbo to stuff into these machines, and it wouldn’t be surprising to see the Blackwing 4.2-liter V8 make an appearance in the CT5-V. The CT4-V cries out for something with extra oomph.

Elsewhere on these cars, four-piston Brembo front brakes and limited-slip differentials (electronically controlled on CT5-V) give a nod to performance, while available Super Cruise backs up GM’s claim that its advanced driver-assist system would soon proliferate throughout the brand.

Pricing for either model was not forthcoming Thursday night; expect those figures to drop closer to the models’ early 2020 on-sale date. By then, your V-series questions will likely be answered.

[Images: General Motors]

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63 Comments on “Cadillac CT5-V and CT4-V: Alpha Males With a Weakness?...”


  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    So the CT5-V is less powerful than the CTS V-Sport….

    And the CT4-V is barely more powerful than the ATS 3.6. Which itself looks like a SWB ATS with new front/rear fascia

    Is anybody home at Cadillac?

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Less is always more at Cadillac

      Now, if someone were looking for a luxury sedan from GM where would they go?

      • 0 avatar
        DEVILLE88

        Chevy Impala!!

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          Grab an XTS/Lacrosse before they’re all gone.

          But actually bang for the buck the Impala is hard to beat. You can get heated and ventilated leather for about $40K MSRP.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            You could get heated and ventilated leather in an SS sedan for $40k when they were doing one of the many 20% off sales. Paying that much for an Impala seems criminal.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            And if my aunt had testicles she’d be my uncle.

            Hmmmmmm and if only you could still buy a new SS. (Still think that’s a stupid name BTW.) I also think that the “SS”/Caprice should have been the basis of the soon to be last generation of Impala in base V6, luxury V8, and hot V8 SS version.

            If wishes were horses beggars would ride. – to grab another cliche

        • 0 avatar
          Fred

          Yea the SS is the greatest car nobody bought.

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        “Now, if someone were looking for a luxury sedan from GM where would they go?”

        Tesla or BMW, depending on whether you prefer sci-fi or historical fiction.

    • 0 avatar
      thegamper

      One account I saw said that GM was trying to make the V cars more attainable and lets face it, both the ATS-V and CTS-V were bonkers to the point that so much power is useless to most buyers and to the average driver.

      Not sure I agree with the strategy of using the V moniker to bring in additional buyers at a lower price and performance point. The Vsport trims would have probably been more appropriate here.

      I guess you have to take into consideration the dramatic changes in the automotive landscape and realize that these models were envisioned years ago and only now coming to life. I really question the need to have the CT4 at all. Maybe the CT5 just couldnt be decontented enough to get below that critical $40k entry point and Caddy needed something in the space.

      • 0 avatar
        jack4x

        ‘Lets face it, both the ATS-V and CTS-V were bonkers to the point that so much power is useless to most buyers and to the average driver.’

        This was the entire point of the V cars though. It’s not as if those who wanted a lesser level of power couldn’t just buy the regular models.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Good points, but I think AMG and “M” series MB and BMW have tried going down-market with mixed results

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Gamper,

        You don’t understand the point of the V cars, and if you don’t think there was $50k of profit on a CTS-V then your crazy. They could have easily lowered the cost of entry.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Apparently, for what it’s worth, the game plan is to have V “levels”. I suppose the turbo six would be the “entry” V, then you could step up to the “Blackwing” V-8 or the current engine.

          But, like I said, that was “for what it’s worth,” which ain’t much. Clearly GM’s half-a**ing it with this car, or has no idea what to do with it. Maybe both.

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus

          “Your” reading far more into it than what he said. As usual. Go back to your great selection of non-existent Hemi Dakotas and let the adults discuss this.

      • 0 avatar
        sportyaccordy

        I agree that the CT4 seems redundant and unnecessary. Someone who wants a small Cadillac will get an XT4.

        But GM shat the bed with the ridiculous Alpha platform and now they have to lay in it. A ground up new platform that can’t be used for crossovers…….. brilliant!

        In reality GM probably could have skipped the Alpha platform altogether and made one really good, partially electrified Epsilon based sedan. Yep, a well done Malibu would have been better for GM than the Alpha platform sedans… especially in combination with a much stronger crossover lineup.

        But we’re here now.

      • 0 avatar

        The problem was that Cadillac made very few V cars and the dealers put them in that category of “I get two, my kid wanted one, and the other sits in the middle of the showroom with $10k ADP sticker”. Having spent decent time in the prior cars, they were at the edge of daily drivers, but you had to be committed. Actually the ATS was pretty much totally daily, the CTS had the big sledgehammer blown 8, more a four door vette.

        In any case, they should brand both these cars VSport, NOT V. Also, four cylinders ? no, just no……six for the smaller car, and a NA 8 for the upper car. Lack of a V8 option in the Cadillac CTS is just wrong.

  • avatar

    I guess the Cadillac renaissance that began with the 2003 CTS is finally coming to an end. The CT6-V is better than any of these new Cadillacs. From an aesthetic stand point those hideous gills on the bumper really ruin Cadillac new design theme.

    Earlier this week the Corvette and Camaro were banned from Europe due to some obtuse emission rules. Now Cadillac comes out with these duds to make matters even worse. For auto enthusiasts GM is going in a backward direction.

    Bara could care less about GM’s lackluster performance vehicles since the company is making a bundle on trucks and suvs. It is just a shame GM performance cars are being ruined in the process.

    What a disgrace!

  • avatar
    Detroit-X

    Jeez. So much press and hoopla on these vehicles that most of the market doesn’t care about. On performance that maybe only 100 buyers will sort-of use.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Where’s the V version? Article talks about CT4 and CT5 -V but then I’m reading about turbo 4s and 6s that belong in a Kia. Someone didn’t proof read this press release.

    These specs and engines are awful from a base engine perspective, I’m waiting to see the interesting engines that get dropped in here.

  • avatar

    Bara has officially ruined Cadillac.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      I’ve never been so arrogant as to presume I know more about running a car company more then any sitting CEO, but when it comes to Cadillac I would love to march into her office with charts, graphs and pictures explaining Cadillac’s history on the world luxury automotive stage and explain to her why she has it all wrong and possible remedies. I would actually pull a couple TTAC’s B&B as support and see if we couldn’t turn it all around

      Of course her comeback would be something about shareholders and profits, blah, blah :(

      • 0 avatar
        EGSE

        Bring Deadweight along and capture it on video. I’d pay money to see that.

      • 0 avatar
        Detroit-X

        Lie2me: Don’t think it takes arrogance on anyone’s part to have ideas on how to run a successful car company.

        When a company fails and underperforms as bad as GM does, most of the population turns against it. Check. The dealers hate it. Check. The suppliers hate it. Check. The employees, fearful of their high-paying jobs, prioritize making GM’s ultimate mistakes someone else’s fault to deal with later. Check. The media rails against it. Check. The Democrats and Republicans find common ground to hate it. Check. The reliability and ‘common sense’ aspect is clearly substandard. Check. The younger generation (millennials) shun it. Check. Blame is assigned where there is no fault, i.e. layoffs. Check.

        While there are business decision factors most people don’t realize about an auto company, the business is ultimately not too confusing. Any random person could just read the media and blogs and suggest very valid, long-term corrections to the endless GM mistakes.

        Not so with inbred GM. CULTURE OF FEAR.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          I agree, I just didn’t want to be “that guy” who knows better then anyone how things should be done… I hate “that guy”

          • 0 avatar
            Detroit-X

            Understand. But Mr. Farago certainly made an impression on me. He was so right about GM, while the million dollar GM executive clowns were so wrong.

      • 0 avatar
        Mackie

        “Of course her comeback would be something about shareholders and profits, blah, blah :(”

        Sad but true, but it’s not unique to her. Shareholders scream for profits and CEOs must deliver — even if it damages brand equity. There appears to be no long view here. Just more profits, right now.

  • avatar
    ajla

    I don’t understand GM’s refusal to utilize a premium-fuel 5.3L or the NA 6.2L in the RWD-based Cadillacs.

    From road tests we know the 5.3L truck is faster than the 2.7L truck and the 6.2L is a capable of impressive acceleration. With handling no one claims that the V8 turns the Camaro SS into a nose heavy pig. For real world MPG the 0-1 difference isn’t going to be an issue for people spending $45K+. For CAFE GM is now offering the 6.2L on lower priced truck and Camaro trims so there was obviously some wiggle room. For NVH, the OHV V8 is about equal to the turbo 6 and likely superior to a large-displacement 4. Branding reasons don’t make sense with the Escalade and the 2.7L.

    All I can think of is that GM is *totally all in* on making Cadillac a China brand so they need to keep everything under 3.0L.

    Also I haven’t seen anything about future hybrid, PHEV, or EV versions of these cars. Maybe those will come later but given GM’s public position on future electrification it is surprising that they are leading with ICE-only.

  • avatar
    EGSE

    Has anyone here (Steph, Tim, Matt et al) driven anything with the 2.7 litre turbo engine? I’m wondering about the NVH characteristics of this engine and what the exhaust note sounds like. Large displacement fours do very well in tractors and construction equipment. They are high torque, low rpm applications with heavy flywheels intended for constant rpm use and some NVH is tolerable. They are not rev-happy semi-luxury cars that are expected to have a refined feel. The AFM turning off two cylinders doesn’t inspire confidence in that regard.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      One of them (Steph?/Matt?) tested the 2.7 turbo Silverado and thought it struggled in the mountains.

      If it struggles in the mountains, what’s the freaking point of a turbo?

      The 2.7 and 3.5 ecoboost on the other hand I’ve seen make reviewers giggle when they smash the accelerator.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      For what it’s worth (not much), from what I’ve read, the 2.7 is actually very refined. The CT4 isn’t a two-ton truck, so it’d probably work quite well in this application.

      But it it’s such a great engine, then why not make it the base motor in the smaller car? It’s a truck engine, for crying out loud, and there’s no shortage of the things around, so it’s cost-efficient.

      Basically, you’d have a 320-hp entry-lux car with a great chassis for around $40,000. Good luck selling A220s or A3s against it (and that’s coming from a guy who owns an A3).

      But that makes too much sense. Better to sell MOOAAARRRRRR blobby CUVs.

      (Shakes head)

  • avatar

    Cadillac was producing better cars five years ago.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    CHEVRILLAC IS CADROLET!

    CADROLET IS CHEVRILLAC!

    Good luck to Cadirrac Dealers selling Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors rolling dumpster fire vehicles at nosebleed prices.

    Hyundai/Kia have far better quality, through and through, and vastly better reliability/durability also.

    A $22,000 Honda Accord looks better, inside and out, with a far more advanced tech and safety features, than these Red Star Knock Down Kits.

    The XT4 and XT6, in particular, are soul-less, drab, cheaply slapped together (of cheaply fabricated Chinese and Mexican parts) design eyesores with hilarious MSRPs stuck to their windows.

    Even the once seemingly unstoppable Escalade (which is incredibly tight inside and rides likes sh!t) is having difficulty moving off Guangzhou Red Star Chevrolac Tat & Rat Dealerships.

    The XT6 is such a sadly styled, poorly built, generic-to-the-max, grossly overpriced version of the Chevy Traverse (…”The XT6 is built on the same platform as the Chevy Traverse…”) that Roger Smith Editions will be forthcoming soon.

    Cadirrac once counted on China to save its bacon, putting close to 90% of its Peking Duck Eggs in that basket. How’s that working out in terms of YoY sales and ATPs?

    The CT6 is such a dumpster fire in terms of non-quality/un-reliability/crack head pricing that it will compete with the likes of true exotic makes in terms of sales volume, just as I had predicted.

    That Mary Barra is a real, winning symbol of glass ceiling breaking diversity.

    CHEVRILLAC IS CADROLET!

    CADROLET IS CHEVRILLAC!

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      Man I miss this, your attendance has been spotty lately.

    • 0 avatar
      thegamper

      I gotta say when I saw pics of the XT4 and XT6 I was disappointed, but seeing them in the flesh, they actually look pretty darn good. I have no opinion on anything else about them as I have never sat in one or driven one. But I feel like Cadillac may have finally gotten the Art and Science design language to work on a crossover with these vehicles.

      Not sure everything is quite as dire as your post might suggest. I still find most Cadillac models to be handsome vehicles generally, particularly the sedans, and for all the volume segments, it is competing in my opinion. Definitely not blowing competition away, but competing. I dont generally spend a lot of time shopping the German rivals, but the the volume BMW and Mercedes models I have been in, I have never been blown away and left feeling you truly are buying a badge first and foremost with most of the German volume luxury models.

    • 0 avatar

      I think the CT6-v maybe the best car GM has ever built. This is way it is being cancelled. I agree the Escalade is junk.

    • 0 avatar

      Barra is a bad CEO and it has nothing to do with her gender.

    • 0 avatar
      oldirtybootz

      Ah, this is giving me flashbacks to my days in the Autoweek Combustion Chamber and Motor Trend’s forums. Good stuff.

    • 0 avatar
      slap

      A Cadillac article without a Deadweight comment is like a day without sunshine.

    • 0 avatar
      Jerome10

      I just have to say “Peking Duck Eggs” is fantastic.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Also, lest we forget Chevrollac’s latest (of very many foibles): “Cadillac’s new badging system torques comprehension,”‘a straight up’Detroit News Headline -‘

    – Have Chevrollac change exterior and underhood badging to not displace liter size of motor, or Newton Meter of torque, but –

    – Calories of energy consumed.

    The Cadillac XT6 1,500 Calorie (a gallon of gas has 31,500 calories, so the XT6 gets around one mile per 1,500 calories burned given an approximate EPA estimate of 21 mpg mixed).

    IF GUANGZHOU-GUADALAJARA MOTORS HAS BEEN TROLLING & SABOTAGING ITS CUSTOMERS OVER A SERIES OF YEARS, WHICH IT HAS, JUST GO FULL TARD IN ONE FELL SWOOP! HIRE GARY BUSEY AS THE NEW, OFFICIAL CHEVROLLAC SPOKESPERSON!

  • avatar
    tallguy130

    This is simply not good enough.

    Also, good to see DeadWight again!

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    I’d complain, but it doesn’t matter – clearly the game plan is to build yet MORE dumb-a** CUVs now. So go with God, Cadillac.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      There’s nothing wrong with dumb-a** CUVs, but Cadillac should be leading the charge in that area as well. The only two that are good is the Escalade and the XT5 which also happen to be Cadillac’s best sellers, funny that

  • avatar
    Middle-Aged (Ex-Miata) Man

    It’s genuinely curious to see Cadillac continue to dump so much effort into the the dying sedan segment, yet still produce such middling-to-awful returns. It would be hilarious if only it weren’t so goddamned sad.

    By comparison, the brand thoroughly half-assed its latest crossovers (especially the XT6) yet those products will undoubtedly sell. That says more about the intelligence and taste of the average CUV shopper than any real misfires by Cadillac itself, but those easy sales will do absolutely nothing to enhance the brand’s cachet against manufacturers of real luxury vehicles.

    It’s time for Cadillac, the brand, to die in the U.S. Let the ChiComs have it.

  • avatar
    DEVILLE88

    Im done with Cadillac(modern day Cadillac)the car company that i aspired to own a product from and have been loyal to since the 70’s is gone long gone. I cannot stand whats being done to this great american legend. In all im done with GM. And how stupid to put that bimbo in charge a great company like this……….F them!!!

  • avatar
    JohnTaurus

    Look at the troll fest we have here.

    What a disgrace!

  • avatar

    I am here at a WAWA parking lot looking at a black CTS-V. Cadillac really did make great cars a few years back. The current CT6-v will be remembered as the last good Cadillac. From here it is straight to the bottom for Cadillac.

  • avatar
    turbo_awd

    The last CTS (’15 redesign or something?) was a little tight / awkward for my wife + kids, otherwise I would have picked up a ’16 CTS-Vsport for a really good deal.. I was hoping this time ’round, they had the rear seat ergonomics handled (maybe still do), but this “the new V is the slowest V ever – so good!” crap is really, really annoying.

    I mean – can it outrun a V6 Camry? Not sure. Probably gets spanked by a Stinger V6 (my current “likely to get” vehicle – waiting for the GTS to see if I can get one of those…). Are they still making the 300C w/ 5.7? That’s basically what this is..

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    This is Ford level stupid.

    I swear there isn’t a competent brain cell working between GM, Ford and Tesla.

  • avatar
    SPPPP

    Some of these gripes have traction, but I am taking a slightly different view.

    Soon, GM will offer a 355HP RWD sedan with a non-CVT transmission. It even looks good (subjective, I know).

    So I don’t really see a lot to hate here. I will reserve the right to change my opinion later. But for now, I am cautiously optimistic.

    (The case for the CT4 seems a lot shakier than the case for the CT5 in my view, but it will shake itself out in time. We’ll see what happens.)

  • avatar
    deanst

    Do these vehicles have any appeal to anyone? I’d be more interested in learning about a new Dacia model.

  • avatar
    johnny_5.0

    How big is the CT5, especially inside? For some reason I assumed it was smaller than my SS, but it must be close. The weight is nearly identical (the Caddy obviously has more sound deadening etc.). As others have said, if there ever was a “long game” plan it must be China. Otherwise “6.2 all the things” has always been a better answer for USA sales. Aping BMW was always a fools errand.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    I don’t have a dog in this fight since the only vehicle close to being a luxury vehicle I owned was a 5th Avenue years ago. I doubt I will ever buy another car since a crossover fits more of my needs and wants. As for Cadillac at one time when I was younger I would have wanted one, my mother had a 72 Deville a car that most of her generation aspired to. I don’t hate GM or Ford but if I am going to spend the kind of money that they ask for their products I will just buy a Honda or Toyota which either will outlast a GM or Ford and retain more of their value. To me the only GM sedans that I would even consider if I wanted one would be the Impala and LaCrosse. Ford and GM might eventually become foreign owned and possibly both might eventually disappear. Both are poorly run and it might be too late to save either one of them except for their trucks.

  • avatar
    nvinen

    “Too powerful”? That’s like too sexy, too much chocolate, too much money, too smart. No such thing!

    I mean, who’s forcing you to use all the power available? You could use some of it, smug in the knowledge that there’s more if you need it.

  • avatar
    cimarron typeR

    I agree with the above posters. These are built for Chinese consumption. The benefit to this is that the sedan will still get some development so if ever Americans fall out of love with SUVs the General will still have a product to sell.


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