By on January 28, 2019

2018 Toyota Sienna red - Image: Toyota

Twenty-one years after Toyota replaced the alluring Previa with a new, more conventional people mover, the Sienna minivan finds itself falling out of favor among American buyers. SUVs and crossovers now provide virile consumers with a smorgasbord of front-and all-wheel drive, cargo-friendly alternatives, while competition from newer rivals serves to further erode the Sienna’s standing. What to do?

Nothing, at least for now. Much like the brand’s ancient Tundra pickup, Toyota’s Sienna, last redesigned for the 2011 model year, will soldier on relatively unchanged for another couple of years. Toyota isn’t worried.

Speaking to Automotive News, Toyota’s North American CEO, Jim Lentz, suggested his company is fine with letting the Sienna wither on the vine until a replacement trundles along. The target date for that new vehicle is the 2021 model year, when the minivan adopts Toyota’s TNGA architecture.

Despite being the only minivan on the market with available all-wheel drive, buyers looked elsewhere for a ride in 2018. Sienna sales fell 21 percent last year as consumers gravitated towards the Honda Odyssey and Fiat Chrysler’s stable Chrysler Pacifica and perennially popular Dodge Grand Caravan. The model’s buying base last year amounted to roughly half of its 2006 sales tally.

While Toyota could boost the Sienna’s appeal with a hood piled high with cash, Lentz doesn’t see much of a reason to waste the company’s dough.

“When it gets late in its life cycle, you’ve got to decide — typically, we will prop up a vehicle late in its life cycle with incentives,” he said. “But you’ve got to look at the segment that you’re in. And in some cases, that doesn’t make good business sense to do, and I think that’s what’s happening with Sienna.”

The Sienna’s home — Indiana’s Princeton assembly plant — already houses a profitable model that has no trouble finding buyers: the Highlander. With sales up 13 percent in 2018, Toyota’s Highlander outsold the Sienna almost three to one.

“I can build another vehicle in that same plant right now, so don’t chase volume just by throwing big incentive dollars,” Lentz said. “Wait for the fresh new product to come, because there have been some big incentives thrown [by competitors] against that segment.”

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50 Comments on “Buyers Take a Sienna Siesta, but Toyota Isn’t Losing Sleep...”


  • avatar
    gtem

    Very relevant: after a bunch of test driving, putting together a spreadsheet of features and specs with weighted averages (yes I’m that guy), my wife and I drove home this weekend in a lightly used 2016 Chrysler Town and Country Touring L. 34k miles, loaded up with all that we wanted and needed, and a few key features (removable front center console) that the Sienna fell short on. We ended up at $18,500 after just a bit of negotiation, I think there was another $500 in there to be had but it was already a great deal relative to most other Central Indiana offerings I saw. I ended up buying an additional 4 years bumper to bumper zero deductible warranty out to 85k miles to hedge my bets ($2300). A comparable 2016 Sienna XLE or Odyssey EX-L that would still be missing a lot of the goodies would have been in the $26-$27k range.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      In my area almost every Sienna I see is AWD.

      Compared to the competition it seems to be only selling when it has a feature that you can’t get at any price in other minivans.

      Congrats on finding something.

      Wishing you and your wife only the best.

    • 0 avatar
      mittencuh

      I’m in the market, was very pleasantly surprised by the interior feel of the final few years of Town and Country. The materials seem like they will wear very well. The Pacifica I rented didn’t have the same feeling and the Sienna interior felt very cheap to me even in the Limited trim I drove.

      • 0 avatar
        gtem

        Thanks Dan! We’re getting all of our ducks in a row, already used the Stow and Go functionality to fit a hand-me-down crib and changing table to haul home from the in-laws.’

        mittencuh, I likewise don’t see how any complaints of “cheap” can be leveled at the T&C that don’t apply at least as much (more, in a few ways) to the ’11-’16 Odyssey and Sienna (’15+ interior is better but still not “nice”). I will say I am very aware that with the T&C some of the cost saving are in the components: blower and door motors, HVAC blend door actuators, suspension components, all of that is frankly of inferior quality on the Chrysler, a lot of it made in China and Mexico. Prime examples: at 34k miles, I can hear a bit of a squeak in the bearing of the blower motor, and the rear shocks make a bit more noise than I think they should. The up shot is that these vans are pretty easy to wrench on, and those Chinese Mopar parts are really cheap. $34 for an OEM shock for example. The 3.6 after the first 2 years has proven to be a tank, the transmissions largely seem to do well aside from a few notable outliers (flex plates can crack and/or shatter).

        It’s just a decision you need to make yourself. For an almost $10k discount ($8k once we consider what I spent on the bumper to bumper warranty), it was worth it to us. There’s a reason there’s just so damn many of these older-body Chrysler vans on the roads, it’s insane bang for the buck.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Minivans are known for poor resale and its one of the areas unscrupulous dealers really screw people as these facts are not well known. Your 26K Sienna example isn’t worth anything close to that figure (in LE trim, in SE it pulls 22,5 on average).

          MY16 Toyota Sienna LE FWD

          1/24/19 $18,300 31,492 3.2 6G/A Gray Lease SoutheastAtlanta
          1/24/19 $19,500 41,697 5.0 6G/A Gray Regular West CoastSouthern California
          1/23/19 $13,600 92,360 3.5 6G/A Red Lease NortheastNew Jersey
          1/23/19 $17,000 59,893 4.4 6G/A White Regular West CoastSouthern California
          1/23/19 $16,400 35,998 2.6 6G/A Gray Lease MidwestKansas City
          1/23/19 $14,700 82,593 3.8 6G/A Black Lease NortheastNew Jersey
          1/22/19 $16,600 44,915 2.8 6G/A Gray Lease MidwestOhio
          1/18/19 $19,500 47,760 4.3 6G/A Gray Regular West CoastCalifornia
          1/16/19 $20,000 22,698 4.0 6G/A Black Regular West CoastCalifornia
          1/15/19 $16,200 60,746 3.6 6G/A Blue Lease SoutheastOrlando
          1/15/19 $19,500 23,558 3.8 6G/A Black Lease SouthwestSan Antonio
          1/14/19 $19,200 41,243 4.2 6G/A Gray Lease MidwestOhio
          1/11/19 $14,500 *51,957 2.4 6G/A Red Regular MidwestChicago
          1/10/19 $16,250 58,769 2.9 6G/A Silver Lease West CoastSouthern California
          1/10/19 $16,250 69,746 4.0 6G/A Silver Lease West CoastSouthern California
          1/9/19 $20,300 31,224 4.4 6G/A – – Lease MidwestKansas City
          1/7/19 $18,200 31,185 3.3 6G/A Gray Lease West CoastSan Francisco Bay
          1/3/19 $17,200 51,431 4.0 6G/A Red Lease West CoastPhoenix

          Congrats and good luck with your purchase.

          • 0 avatar
            gtem

            28 days we were looking at 2015-2016 XLEs with lower miles. I test drove a ’16 XLE with 63k miles that was listed for $20,700 with known accident history, we walked away. Likewise a ’14 Odyssey EX-L with 44k miles for $20,500 that seemed like a good deal initially, but I spotted runs in the paint on pass. side rear quarter panel indicating accident history. Most clean-history XLEs with less than 50k miles were solidly in the $25k range nation wide.

            Even looking at your list, I see that the higher grade cars, even for an LE are right near $19,500, and that’s wholesale. By the time the dealer lists it, small wonder most LEs are in the $22k range!

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I’d pass on the accident model as well, my guess is they are stuck with it as they priced it right at what it would be worth assuming its not R-title or otherwise blemished. The XLE pulls 20,9 on average.

            MY16 Toyota Sienna XLE FWD

            1/25/19 $23,800 17,089 4.7 6G/A Black Regular NortheastPennsylvania
            1/24/19 $17,800 68,788 – – 6G/A Gray Regular SoutheastOrlando
            1/24/19 $20,000 39,196 2.4 6G/A Gray Lease West CoastPhoenix
            1/24/19 $23,200 35,525 4.2 6G/A Beige Lease SouthwestTexas Hobby
            1/23/19 $19,800 62,331 4.4 6G/A Gray Lease NortheastHarrisonburg
            1/23/19 $22,250 24,061 4.4 6G/A Silver Regular West CoastCalifornia
            1/22/19 $22,700 38,660 4.1 6G/A White Lease SoutheastOrlando
            1/22/19 $23,100 34,866 4.5 6G/A Blue Lease SoutheastOrlando
            1/22/19 $22,900 36,103 4.0 6G/A White Lease SoutheastOrlando
            1/21/19 $22,400 23,241 4.2 6G/A Blue Regular NortheastPennsylvania
            1/18/19 $23,500 24,818 4.5 6G/A Black Regular NortheastPennsylvania
            1/17/19 $18,400 75,129 4.4 6G/A Black Lease MidwestNorthstar Minnesota
            1/16/19 $19,400 61,183 3.7 6G/A Silver Regular SoutheastNashville
            1/16/19 $15,200 99,365 3.6 6G/A Silver Regular NortheastPittsburgh
            1/15/19 $23,100 29,191 4.1 6G/A Black Lease SoutheastOrlando
            1/15/19 $21,600 36,200 – – 6G/A Black Regular SoutheastStatesville
            1/15/19 $21,100 50,645 4.1 6G/A Silver Lease SoutheastOrlando
            1/15/19 $22,000 34,733 4.0 6G/A Gray Lease SoutheastOrlando
            1/11/19 $19,300 51,039 4.5 6G/A Black Regular SoutheastFort Lauderdale
            1/11/19 $23,400 24,697 4.4 6G/A Gray Regular NortheastPennsylvania
            1/9/19 $19,700 32,358 2.1 6G/A Black Lease NortheastNew Jersey
            1/9/19 $18,200 41,369 2.0 6G/A – – Lease West CoastSan Diego
            1/9/19 $19,300 54,080 3.6 6G/A Black Lease West CoastCalifornia
            1/9/19 $19,700 44,065 3.2 6G/A Black Regular NortheastNew Jersey
            1/8/19 $23,300 29,519 4.2 6G/A White Lease SoutheastOrlando

            Remember minivans are essentially a niche market, they don’t have leverage as they do on say something like a Highlander or 4Runner.

            “By the time the dealer lists it, small wonder most LEs are in the $22k range!”

            If they don’t want your business at 20-20,5 hell with them and walk. Someone *will* want your business eventually. I post the wholesale figures so proles have decent valuations to shoot for, dealers will generally make money on your sale which is expected, but don’t give them their 80% (80/20 rule).

          • 0 avatar
            gtem

            Again, once you weed out the cars in the grade of 4 and below, it looks like the wholesale is closer to $23k-$23,5. Accordingly, the price on the lot is in the $25-26k range. Could I have haggled one of them down to $24k? Maybe?

            There is a vastly higher supply of Caravans and T&Cs locally than Siennas and Odysseys, in my cars.com searching, out of 240ish lightly used vans total, something like 185 were the older buy Chryslers, the remaining 60 were split between Odysseys, Siennas, and Sedonas. The import vans are more supply constrained. While we were finalizing the T&C deal, we saw that ’14 Odyssey get test driven another 3 times by different people, the $20,5k price was bringing in a lot of foot traffic, and it should, it was undercutting a lot of other local Odysseys by $2k or so.

            Your wholesale lists are useful, but I’m giving you the very real shopper’s perspective.

          • 0 avatar
            MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

            Those numbers really don’t tell the whole story- I have seen vehicles with 80k miles look literally NEW, and others with 35k miles with scratches, scuffs, dents, mismatched paint and stained interiors.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            The “Toyota Tax” is alive and well.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            That’s a good point based on the data. I’m happy you find the information useful. Pity there are supply issues on these and the Oddys but Chryco is stacking them deep I suppose. I recall a rental experience several years ago with those where I loved the 3.6 and feel of the beast but sadly we went through three vans on the trip from start to finish (first one horrible tranny, demanded a new one, second van A/C failed outside Winchester).

          • 0 avatar
            Car Ramrod

            Hey @28, I see what you mean. I’m learning firsthand about poor minivan resale while trying to unload mine. It probably doesn’t help that most minivans, mine included, show plenty of wear and need a good bit of reconditioning.

          • 0 avatar

            My grandma asked me the other day what her Terraza was worth.

            I very gently replied, “Almost nothing.”

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            I never stop laughing at the Terrazas around town with county fleet tags on them being used for prisoner transport.

          • 0 avatar

            Luxury prison transport. That’s 3.9 liters!

    • 0 avatar
      MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

      Just a note that extra warranties are every bit as negotiable as the vehicle cost itself. Frankly I would expect nothing to go wrong before 85k miles in any case, but be that as it may, you could have gotten the same warranty for 1,000 bucks.

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      Congratulations on the new ride. Hope it serves you well.

  • avatar
    MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

    We have owned 2 generations of Sienna, and been very happy (now have an Odyssey only because it was a great deal from a friend)…… but Toyota has done some weird shyt like upgrading the Sienna to LED taillights with the 2011 redesign, then taking them away around 2015, going back to 1930’s tech bulbs while barely altering the looks of the van at all. Why go through the expense of a “change” when it’s a total backwards move??

    • 0 avatar
      dukeisduke

      Yeah, I didn’t get that, either. They went back incandescents (okay, so they’re halogen – but still). Also, the later second-gen Tacomas came with LED stop-taillights in everything but the base models (my 2013 SR5 has LEDs), but the third-gen Tacomas don’t have LEDs, and they also dropped the amber rear turn signals. Who can guess why Toyota does stuff like this? I can’t.

      • 0 avatar
        MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

        Just thought of another one- we have a 2008 Rav4 (kid’s car) that has LED taillights, but newer models do not. I would really have thought we’d be at a point by now that ALL automotive lighting is LED, just for the longevity benefits, but here we have Toyota going backwards.
        I have a newish Charger R/T that is 100% LED exterior lighting (except the headlights which are HID). Even the license plate lights, right from the factory.

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      Very simple… more profit. The only kinds of people who would notice such a thing are nutjobs like us who sit around and discuss Sienna tail lights lol.

      • 0 avatar
        gtem

        Yep, Toyota is honing in on cost-cutting. Give you a shiny touch screen, take away some higher quality stuff that the layman won’t notice or care about.

        • 0 avatar
          TheAnswerIsPolara

          FYI… The 2011 Sienna had incandescent tail lights as well. The lens were made to look like LEDs. Very convincing until I had a bulb go out on ours.

          We got one of the first 2011’s in June 2010 here in Austin. Plastics quality is REALLY bad. cracked door panels, seat surrounds, body panel liners… Almost as bad as what the General provided in the 80s. Maybe we’re training Toyota on the art of saving a dime.

          Ours is a 2WD model. Engine and drivetrain 100% rock-solid quality. 185K so far.

          Vans are workhorses; I would never buy one used :)

          • 0 avatar
            MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

            I don’t know about the other running lights, but the brake/turn signals are def. LED the first few years of the “new” body style. My sister has one, while a coworker has a newer XLE with the incandescent. There is a very obvious “abruptness” to the activation of the LED brakelights compared to the cheapies on the newer ones.

            I also don’t buy the “cost cutting” arguments, because the LED units were already tooled up and in production! Sticking with what’s already in place is always cheaper than tooling up whole new housings, which is what they did even though they are the same basic shape…..

        • 0 avatar
          James2

          When you slam the door or trunklid on a last-gen Lexus ES… I think SPAM cans are made of stouter material. Regarding the latter, they think they are fooling you with the auto-close sh!t. Folks just got a new-gen ES and there’s some cheap-ish materials inside as well.

          • 0 avatar
            gtem

            James the door skins certainly feel thing and flimsy, but the ’13 ES300h I’m familiar with has as good of a soft/solid “thwap” when slammed as anything.

          • 0 avatar
            gtem

            James the door skins certainly feel thin and flimsy, but the ’13 ES300h I’m familiar with has as good of a soft/solid “thwap” when slammed as anything.

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    About the same news as last week’s Land Cruiser article. Both vehicles are as good as they need to be, and enough people keep buying them to make them viable.

    I consider it part of a sign that we’ve reached “peak car”. No, not the way that phrase is usually used, in terms of sales, but that cars today are as good as cars need to be. Most cars will go 150k+ miles, most cars get darn good MPG. Et cetera. Over the last 10 years or so, most vehicles haven’t improved significantly on the things most people use vehicles for – they just keep adding more gadgets.

    A 10-year-old Sienna is still a darn good minivan. Why fix what ain’t broke?

    • 0 avatar
      MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

      Egg, you must account for the “change just for the sake of change” factor that so often seems to be at play. Witness the revised front ends of Siennas lately- eeesh

    • 0 avatar
      Peter Gazis

      eggsalad

      I heard Sienna sales are down 21%, and the Land Cruiser barely sells at all.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      eggsalad,

      I don’t know if what you said is truth. With so many direct injected 2LT engines out there and other DI engines as well… Just go on youtube and see how dirty those valves become. Yea, they will go 150K but in the process you will need to do expensive valve cleaning if not engine replacement.

  • avatar
    gtem

    The last bit about sharing capacity with the Highlander is what really explains this IMO, and the same logic applied to the Tundra (shared production with Tacoma). If they’ve got a different product at the same plant that is selling like crazy, why further stress production AND lose revenue by putting discounts on the slower selling product? Conversely, I think we’re seeing the fleet-dumping and discounts on the new generation of Camry because Toyota upgraded Georgetown substantially to make the new cars, and if full price retails sales don’t keep them at efficient capacity, they’ll start taking measures.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      Yup. One factory that is flexible enough to make two vehicles with lots of mechanical engineering similarities? That’s a big factor in keeping the Sienna around.

      It’s like the Camry, Avalon, and ES 350 all being made in a flexible facility in KY. Would a standalone Avalon plant be justifiable? NO. But the 3 of them combined can keep one factory humming.

      GMs biggest problem has been overcapacity and building the same model in multiple locations. I was shocked to learn (when GM announced the death of several sedan models) that they were build the XTS in more than one location!

      The sad truth is that ONE factory flexible enough to build the Lacrosse/XTS/Impala under the same roof could have been kept going and have been made profitable.

      • 0 avatar
        Scott

        Oshawa was capable of doing that and more (they built the previous Equinox on the same line as well) Still didn’t keep them going (in part because of the multiple factories build the Same cars)

  • avatar
    Acd

    I rented a Sienna a few years ago and everything about the driving experience screamed Oldsmobile. Big, comfortable, floaty ride and sloppy handling; it’s the Oldsmobile of minivans.

  • avatar
    Kendahl

    Not quite two years ago, we bought a 2014 AWD Sienna to haul our telescopes and other astronomical gear. Where we go to find dark skies, AWD can mean the difference between barely making it and almost making it. Ours is the bottom end LE model. Impressions are
    (1) Good power and reasonable fuel consumption (22 mpg on a long trip at 75 mph).
    (2) Imprecise handling compared to our Focus and G37S. (More likely due to the suspension than to the Bridgestone run flat tires.)
    (3) Crude controls compared to my eleven year old Infiniti G37S.
    (4) Just replaced front struts at 50k miles. By comparison, the 37S has broken nothing in eleven years and 64k miles and the Focus nothing but a window switch in six years and 75k miles.

  • avatar
    gearhead77

    We are 22 months into a 36 month lease on our ’17 Sienna SE Premium. It will likely be our last Toyota. We came out of a ’14 Odyssey EX-L lease and my initial impression of the Sienna was more favorable than the Odyssey. But as months turn into years, my wife who is the primary driver, finds new ways for the Sienna to annoy her. And now since it wears the Toyota “beak”, no new Sienna will find its way into our driveway.

    Now, many of our complaints about the Sienna are nitpicky stuff. It has not broken nor had any mechanical issues in its 20k with us. It had some minor issue with some trim and the drivers weatherstripping, but nothing major. But in this class and in most classes of vehicle, the small stuff makes the difference and in my opinion, Honda does the small stuff better.

    It is, in SE form, a handsome looking box of a vehicle. Ours is dark grey (Predawn Mica in Toyota) with matching wheels. With the minimal side skirts and 19 inch wheels, it definitely cuts a better profile than an LE or XLE. I could do without the “clear” rear lights, but judging from their looks, their must have been a lot of RX330 tailights leftover. I do wish it had HID or LED headlights, but you can only get those on the Limited vans. Styling-wise, the SE was the way to go to blunt the minivan style.

    The SE does drive better than an LE or XLE, but it is also a bit harsher riding, but by no means rough. It’s probably about where a normal Odyssey is, as the standard Sienna is softer than an Odyssey. It steers slightly better and with nearly 300hp, the 3.5 has enough power, especially passing on the highway. This is no Voyager with a 2.2 in it. The 8 speed auto is OK, but the economy programming ruins it. If you want to switch it off, you must do it each time you start the car. Toyota, to its credit, gives you manual control of the shifting unlike Honda, but I think its only in the SE. It is quieter over the road than our Odyssey was, but that’s probably a wash now too.

    The inside is full of harder than they should be plastics. The Entune infotainment is obnoxious in both operation and execution. I find it’s inferior to the MyLink that was in my Cruze, the system in my VW ( without considering Carplay) and even the aftermarket Kenwood that was in our Mazda before I sold it. It’s just too “busy” and it has locked up/ acted odd more than any other infotainment system I’ve experienced. Even our Odyssey, which was slow, still functioned better.

    Our kids are still in boosters, so any seat movement requires undoing the booster seat, not a big deal. The Toyotas seats slide up to the front seats, giving more than enough room for large stuff. But they don’t come out and the seat tracks are extremely annoying to deal with in terms of keeping the van clean and the floormats down.

    The third row is fine, but Toyota decided to cover the 60/40 split bench in a rubbery vinyl that looks like neoprene but isn’t. It feels like the vinyl that was in my Dads 78 Hi-Lux and it completely out of place in a vehicle with a 43k sticker.

    So, it’s been mildly annoying having the Sienna and I look forward to turning it in. Yes, this is a first world problem kind of thing. If you don’t notice/care about small details in the family hauler, no big deal. But a lot of these kinds of issues have been fixed by Honda and Chrysler, who keep improving their vans. The only thing Toyota really offers is AWD over the other two. I’m shocked Toyota hasn’t hybridized the Sienna to compete with Chrysler.

    It’s kind of baffling to me that the current van will live on largely unchanged for a few more years. It’s not awful, but it’s like the current Tundra, getting older and not any better.

  • avatar
    cimarron typeR

    I guess I’m one of the minority that bought an 18 Sienna- AWD Limited Premium.I tried forever to find a used 16-17 AWD Limited, but most people tend to hold onto theirs for a while(like me). It was so dead nuts reliable and unflappable in the snow I couldn’t not get another as we’ll never go back to a full size SUV.
    I ended up getting 21k for our 12 Limited Prem. AWD with 70k and found an uber rare dark metallic Blue/brown leather on the ground shipped from Indiana to one of our local dealers for 44k.Not a great deal, but my wife really wanted this color.I’m sure I could’ve gotten one locally for 42k or so off of 49k sticker,if we waited for the end of the year.But it would’ve been black or white.
    I never could get used to the looks of the Odyssey-although I’m sure it’s a better driving vehicle with a nicer interior.
    The 18 is alot quieter, and the switchgear/ panels are considerably an upgrade over the 12 Limited in 18 Limited trim.I don’t think the powertrain upgrade is significant though, as the 8spd hunts more than the 6spd port inj. V6 combo. We do get 2mpg improvement in suburban cycle and HWY , but pure city MPG is a wash vs the older powertrain.
    An MDX or CX9 for the same money would’ve netted us a better driving experience and interior finish but the 3rd row and rear cargo is nowhere what a minivan is.I didn’t think a loaded Pilot was that much nicer than a Limited Sienna and sliding doors for us a dealbreaker. It’d have to look like a Bentley inside and drive like an S Class for me to give up the sliders.
    But as long as there are garage mates which are more spritely , we’re satisfied.

  • avatar
    jh26036

    People like to call Toyota interiors cheap, I call it durable. My version of quality may not be in line with many others.

    They don’t fall apart after 100k miles and looking like garbage ie most American or Euro cars. YMMV.

    • 0 avatar
      gtem

      I’m typically a pretty big Toyota homer, but seeing the glovebox latch fail on my in laws’ ’13 Rav4 Limited with 60k miles of very light use, it was a big eye opener in that Toyota is doing all the same cost cutting as everyone else, they’re just behind the domestics a few years.

  • avatar
    Chetter

    Old, dated and best served as an NYC taxi now a days. The Pacifica blows it away.

    • 0 avatar
      gtem

      Reliability on the new Pacificas (statistically) has been a bit of a horror show. I really like how they look and drive, but it scared me right into the older body style Chrysler van, that should tell you something.

  • avatar
    cimarron typeR

    I just wish a Sienna hybrid AWD was available, maybe it will be in 2021. I plan on keeping this one longer than the ’12 though. The road noise was bothersome after comparing it to our other cars ,especially on longer trips.This has been solved for 18.The heated steering wheel is a big deal too. It drives me nuts not being able to use gloved fingers on a touch screen.
    Another bonus is the SD card video input. For little kids, the ability to load a bunch of MP4 converted movies on an SD card is much more convenient than switching DVDs individually too.

    • 0 avatar
      Richard Chen

      Guessing that the TNGA Sienna will have the hybrid+AWD combo as the Highlander Hybrid does: not available separately. The Highlander’s battery sits under the second row seats, a Sienna Hybrid would have to use space under the 2nd row.

      I have a 2004 Sienna, finally hit 150K miles yesterday.

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