Piston Slap: VSC Light and the Puffer Fish Effect?

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

Looongtime TTAC commentator PrincipalDan writes:

I recently had an experience with CEL (check engine light) and VSC light (vehicle skid control) that left me scratching my head: I was on my way into Gallup (30 mile drive) and as I was getting up to speed on the highway the CEL and VSC came on at the same time. I know the CEL can be triggered by a dozen different things but seeing a constantly lit VSC was a new experience.

The vehicle (2010 Toyota Highlander) drove perfectly normally and I went on to my destination. I consulted the forums and they said the CEL would AUTOMATICALLY trigger the VSC light and that the VSC would basically be shut off by the triggering of a CEL. Dafuq!?!?!? Really Toyota?

A CEL (which could be triggered by something like an improperly tightened gas cap) will shut down one of the key components of the safety systems of the car? What’s the logic behind this? More lights means the average American is more likely to go to the dealer and get it checked out? Do all of the manufactures do this now?

BTW, my lights were triggered by a bad gas cap. Couldn’t get it to “click” anymore so I replaced — lights went away and problem solved.

Sajeev answers:

While it’s unfortunate the problem was the ubiquitous “gas cap fail,” the reality is most active handling systems tweak engine performance as part of their functionality. Be it ignition timing retardation or reining-in the electronic throttle, VSC needs an error-free engine computer. So why isn’t the car “smart” enough to leave the VSC on for seemingly irrelevant CEL warnings?

I suspect corporate lawyers (with undergrad engineering degrees) would beg to differ, risk aversion in mind. Why risk it when you might be wrong?

BONUS: A Piston Slap Nugget of Wisdom!

Think about this from another angle: consider the defense mechanism of the Puffer Fish. Now imagine a vehicle computer illuminating relevant idiot lights to save its bacon. It’s done in hopes the driver addresses the problem before it worsens, respecting your wallet, the manufacturer’s wallet, and/or our air quality. And lights can flash on/off when things are going sideways quickly. When things are hemorrhaging (literally), it’ll shut down the engine because you aren’t checking the oil pressure/level every second. That’s a smart defense strategy!

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Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry…but be realistic, and use your make/model specific forums instead of TTAC for more timely advice.

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  • Whitworth Whitworth on Sep 15, 2017

    My guess is 99.9% of the reason this happens is fear of litigation and a way for the car companies to CYA. Which is unfortunate because I would argue it makes cars less safe. But there are all sorts of costs to living in an overly litigious society.

  • Manic Manic on Sep 15, 2017

    Had the same problem with my Lexus IS, gas cap tightening didn't help always, had to put some [euro] 98 octane fuel in and drive on a highway to get rid of the lights and text on info display. I thought some sensor was the problem.

  • 1995 SC Man it isn't even the weekend yet
  • ToolGuy Is the idle high? How many codes are behind the check engine light? How many millions to address the traction issue? What's the little triangular warning lamp about?
  • Ajla Using an EV for going to landfill or parking at the bad shopping mall or taking a trip to Sex Cauldron. Then the legacy engines get saved for the driving I want to do. 🤔
  • SaulTigh Unless we start building nuclear plants and beefing up the grid, this drive to electrification (and not just cars) will be the destruction of modern society. I hope you love rolling blackouts like the US was some third world failed state. You don't support 8 billion people on this planet without abundant and relatively cheap energy.So no, I don't want an electric car, even if it's cheap.
  • 3-On-The-Tree Lou_BCone of many cars I sold when I got commissioned into the army. 1964 Dodge D100 with slant six and 3 on the tree, 1973 Plymouth Duster with slant six, 1974 dodge dart custom with a 318. 1990 Bronco 5.0 which was our snowboard rig for Wa state and Whistler/Blackcomb BC. Now :my trail rigs are a 1985 Toyota FJ60 Land cruiser and 86 Suzuki Samurai.
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