By on March 8, 2017

2018 Toyota C-HR, Image: Toyota

Today’s marketplace is a crowded affair. Each manufacturer seems to sit down at the table every new model year with more. More variants, more things with all-wheel drive, more CUVs, and more vehicles which split the pieces of the sales pie down to ever smaller fragments. This fragmentation leads to the eye splinter above, whatever the hell Toyota thinks it is, which will clog up parking lots everywhere starting next year.

To cure this portion issue, I think some models need to die, and I want you to help me choose which ones.

All this model mania is, of course, in the quest of greater market share. Ford announced several more upcoming SUV models, and Mercedes-Benz has a coupe/convertible/crossover variant of just about everything they make. Mercedes is so keen on segment splitting that it currently offers 27 distinct passenger models today — and that’s before you consider trims and AMG variants. Ford’s at 19 models, not including its commercial options.

Some of you will cry, “Choice is good!” to which I retort it is not good in a market that has split beyond rationality in design and function. It’s all too much now. We need to lower the denominator.

Today I’m asking about which models you see as existing without reason. Often there’s too much overlap with the next model above or beneath a given entry in terms of size, price, equipment, or usage. Other times it’s painfully obvious the particular segment entry isn’t any good, and another choice from the same manufacturer does the task better, cheaper, or with more appealing aesthetics. Let me give you an example.

2017 Mini JCW Clubman, Image: Mini

2018 Mini Cooper Countryman JCW, Image: Mini

Which two Minis are they? Any guesses? The image on top is the Clubman, and the lower is the Countryman. I propose one or both of these models is a prime example of the gross and wanton overlap found in today’s market.

From the Mini site, regarding these:

A sophisticated new aesthetic, it’s the most spacious and versatile MINI yet.

The Biggest, Most Adventurous MINI yet.

Now forgiving the capitalization inconsistencies Mini has created between these two quotes, I’d understand if you weren’t sure to which vehicle these marketing phrases applied. It’s unfortunate the most spacious and versatile vehicle is not the same as the biggest and most adventurous — so pick your poisonPerhaps they vary widely by specification?

Clubman

5 trims, manual and automatic, all-wheel drive available, $24,100 – $35,100

Dimensions: 168″ L x 71″ W x 57″ H

Countryman

4 trims, manual and automatic, all-wheel drive available, $26,600 – $31,600

Dimensions: 170″ L x 72″ W x 61″ H

There seem to be a couple inches of difference in dimensions, and most of the time spending less money nets you a bigger vehicle that looks exactly the same. One of them needs to be killed with fire.

So now you see my problem, B&B. Which other models deserve an immediate axe to the face?

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172 Comments on “QOTD: Which Car Models Need to Die Immediately?...”


  • avatar
    OldManPants

    This thread will make my short list seem crowdsourced.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      @Corey Lewis
      Obviously the F150. In real terms what model is struggling in a market, you do not make decisions

      • 0 avatar
        John-95_Taurus_3.0_AX4N

        If only we could nominate a commenter for the same thing. Like one who can’t reply properly like replying to OMP but a dressing Corey, trolls with two aliases, and calls everything exactly the opposite or what it is.

        The F-150 is STRUGGLING. ALL DOOM AND GLOOM, but VW is great, even though their CEO said this, just this week:

        Mueller told Reuters at the Geneva Motor Show, “We are not ready for talks about anything … we have other problems.”

        So, the CEO admits they have problems but Robert Big AL Ryan says its all wonderful. Lawsuits, buy-backs, on going criminal proceedings in multiple countries, huge fines to be paid.

        But, nothing to see here!

        Its the F-150 that is struggling so bad that its outsold everyone else for 4 decades and demand for it is still outpacing overall industry growth. Clearly things are all falling apart, yep, the F-150 is so bad off.

  • avatar
    JimZ

    all of the ones I don’t like.

    /car snob

  • avatar
    Vulpine

    Any egg-shaped CUV would be a good candidate for extinction.

  • avatar
    Thorshammer_gp

    The Mercedes GLE coupe…too bad it’s not one of the ones that sets itself on fire.

  • avatar
    EX35

    Any FWD vehicle built by a “premium” brand.

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      Says a rwd snob. Most are fine with it, even ignorant about it.

      http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1043671_80-percent-of-bmw-1-series-owners-think-their-car-is-front-wheel-drive

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        I prefer FWD over RWD.

        Reason? Snow & ice.

        FWD is more stable on slippery roads. (AWD is best, but it’s the improvement is barely noticeable over FWD in the conditions I encounter, while the difference between FWD and RWD is pretty drastic.)

        I can handle RWD in slippery conditions — I did it for many years of pickup truck ownership. But, I just don’t feel like working any harder than I have to in order to keep the vehicle pointed in the right direction whenever nature’s whims don’t align with my plans for the day.

        • 0 avatar
          Anuska

          Luke,

          Comparing an RWD pickup to a BMW???

          I drove a small RWD car for almost 20 years after FWD was introduced, FWD doesn’t generally climb hills in snow or ice better. The weight of the cars shifts back to the rear wheels.

  • avatar
    sirwired

    I suspect much of the model proliferation is the simple “crowding out shelfspace”. If Mini can score awareness for the Clubman AND Countryman, maybe that’ll take some attention off of offerings from, say, Ford.

    You see the same phenomenon in the toothpaste aisle. There are precisely three active ingredients in maintream US toothpastes available for use; Fluoride, Potassium Nitrate, and Triclosan (only available from Colgate in toothpaste.) Yet each major brand has countless varities available, even though the number of total combinations of active ingredients is so limited. And each variety is often available in several flavors, sizes, etc. It’s all to crowd out the competition. If Colgate only offers 20 SKUs against P&G’s 40, Colgate is sure to loose on shelf space, and watch their sales suffer as a result.

    What is this world coming to, where cars are sold like toilet paper and deodorant?

  • avatar

    I don’t see the point of the new Jeep Compass slotting into that tiny niche between the Renegade and the Cherokee.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      True although I prefer the aesthetics of the new Compass over the Renegade.

    • 0 avatar
      MLS

      According to Jeep, Cherokee is a bit too large for international markets, so the new Compass will be the global volume leader, with manufacturing in Mexico, Brazil, China, and India. I would then expect the next Cherokee to grow a bit larger to further distance itself from Compass, and the next Grand Cherokee to grow in price to distance itself from Cherokee.

      • 0 avatar
        whynot

        It also wouldn’t surprise me if Jeep eventually has a Land Rover/Range Rover like lineup, where they have cars that overlap in size but some will be more luxury focused while others will be utilitarian/off road focus.

      • 0 avatar
        Corey Lewis

        Is the new Compass to be Encore-sized?

        • 0 avatar
          whynot

          The new Compass is like 1st/2nd gen Ford Escape-sized.

        • 0 avatar
          MLS

          Renegade is Jeep’s Encore-sized entry. The vehicles’ dimensions are very close:

          Renegade: 167″ L x 74″ W x 67″ H
          Encore: 168″ L x 70″ W x 65″ H

          • 0 avatar
            Corey Lewis

            Ah, thanks. I haven’t seen any Renegades with enough frequency to note their size. Would have thought they were bigger – I guess because of the blocky styling.

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            +1. The Renegade is a subcompact.

            The Compass is a “legacy” compact; that is, it’s sized like the first Compass and other early-’00s compact CUVs (Escape, RAV4, etc.). It’s a tad shorter than current compact CUVs.

            The Cherokee is classified either as a compact or a midsize, depending who you ask. At 182″ OAL and a 106.3″ WB, it’s slightly longer than most compact CUVs now (including the Compass), but it bumps up against the first generation of midsize CUVS like the original Highlander (184″ and 106.9″) or Pilot (188″ and 106.3″) Hopefully (IMO) the next-gen model will be slightly longer to be a true mid-size CUV and not overlap so much with the Compass.

    • 0 avatar
      npaladin2000

      It’s not that tiny. Hence the Compass.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Cadillac:

    Kill the ATS, CTS, and CT6, with haste (check out February Cadillac deliveries). Also, prevent the Cadillac XT4 (Cruze-based crossover) and the inevitable disaster that will be the CT4 (rebadged Cruze) from seeing the light of day. Cadillac will down to 3 models, being the rental/livery special XTS, Escalade and XT5, so let those duke it out until Cadillac eventually dies.

    Chevrolet:

    Kill the Impala (Garbage Supreme), Malibu (interior smells like North Korean chemical factory), Sonic, Spark (is this turd dead yet?), and Camaro (unmitigated disaster in almost every way, with an interior that the Chinese – who make much of its interior components (this is China Motors – would be ashamed of).

    This would leave the Silverado, Tahoe, Traverse, Cruze, Volt/Bolt, Corvette & Suburban to battle it out, until Chevy eventually dies.

    Bruick:

    Kill the 100% Chinese parts-sourced, Chinese-assembled and exported-from-China Bruick Envision, the clownish Encore, and the Regal. This would leave the LaCrosse & Enclave until Bruick eventually dies.

    GMC:

    Leave as is and just see what happens.

    Mini Cooper:

    Kill by napalm. Incinerate every last one with no remorse or exception.

    Mitsubishi:

    Kill by female, Vietnamese VX-bearing assassins targeting Mitsu Zero HQ.

    NISSAN: See Mitsubishi-remedy above (nothing is too harsh for the manufacturer of vehicles such as the Altima, Sentra, Maxima, Rogue, Versa, etc.).

    Kia: Kill it in action, just for the dealership slime it off-oozes, alone, not that its mostly aweful lineup of dog-leather trimmed vehicles offer any redemption (we’ll soon be discussing Hyundai in the same light if they don’t radically improve dealership service, products, etc.).

    Fiat:

    Drop 80 metric tons of cow dung sourced from Italian cattle ranches onto each Fiat dealership, and a 800 metric ton-load on Fiat’s HQ.

    Volvo:

    Target Geely HQ with both malware (which may, ironically, improve their product quality) AND BLU-82B “Daisy Cutters,” both for making disposable $hit vehicles and for the idiotic commercials featuring bearded, philosophical 50-something wannabe hipster/explorer with neck beard and wool turtleneck, with compass in hand.

    Mercedes-Benz:

    Drone each and every CLA and each and every CLA-derived vehicle, such as the GLA, with He!!fire missiles and sidewinders. Target that rust-bucket, POS abortion of a tall utility minivan thing, while we’re at it.

    BMW:

    I’d level about 80% of their bizarre, overwrought, porky, numb vehicles with armored bulldozers, particularly any model with “X-drive” in the name/title.

    Acura:

    Drop a tactical nuke on the building that houses Honda’s Acura’s HQ and be done with eliminating every god-forsaken, excrement of an overpriced, completely lifeless, numbingly boring, vehicle they rebadge from its Honda platform-mate.

    That’s all for now, but I’m going to amend this list to include vehicles and entire divisions I was remiss to not now include on this first go-round.

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      I actually like the little Fiat Spider 124, it’s a sexier Mazda only with a sh****er engine. Though if there is one slight advantage to a tiny turbo it’s that a tune can put it at 200HP

    • 0 avatar
      DeSoto, Adventurer

      AMEN! He spared Checker! Nuevos El Caminoes para todos!

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        Hindu Ambassador, too.

        Bring back the simple, reliable, yet proud Ford Falcon, also, motherf*ckers! Working stiffs getting the big shaft by the 0.1% (that one-tenth of one percent in written form), whether under Obama, or now, Trumpigula, need a morale boost! (like Londoners did during WWII when fish & chips were spared from war rationing limits).

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          @DeadWeight
          Agreed but not the US Falcon. Australian Falcon light years in front of those 1963 US vehicles.
          Then it would be not a compact car anymore.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Agreed.

            I should have specified it.

            Also, an honest but great Opel Kadett.

            But most of all – Volvo 1800S –

            Seriously, look at that:

            http://volvo1800pictures.com/0_car_photos/S/1966/noc/3257/Volvo_1800S_66_noc_3257_10.jpg

            Whoever designed that deserves the Nobel Prize Forever for design.

            Aaaaaah Yeah!

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al From 'Murica

            Do they still make cars in Australia? I thought they had already killed all of them.

    • 0 avatar
      dividebytube

      Mini Cooper – hey at least they are fun to drive. (own two of ’em)

      BMW – I agree here, or at least with their line up of “driver’s cars” would increase beyond the 2-series or the M cars.

      • 0 avatar
        gtemnykh

        “Malibu (interior smells like North Korean chemical factory), ”

        I noticed that both my coworker’s ’14 Malibu and a rental Optima I just had both had/have the same overbearingly strong plastic smell. Coincidence? Must use the same supplier for interior panels or seats or something.

    • 0 avatar
      MartyToo

      So stop the invasion of the Envision?

      Xenaphobe!

    • 0 avatar
      quaquaqua

      DeadWeight, I stopped buying GM products 15 years ago, but even I know the Impala and the Sonic are incredibly competitive cars in their class. And the same goes for the CT6. It’s selling in small numbers, sure, but why does that mean you don’t want to see them being sold? Don’t know what your GM beef is, but it’s misguided in those cases.

      • 0 avatar
        MLS

        Impala drives well and looks nice, but the interior is questionable. The quality is pretty good, actually, but the design is overwrought and there are way too many materials/textures thrown together. The CT6 suffers from a bit of this same problem.

        But I agree, these vehicles are very competitive and don’t deserve the vitriol.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        “Incredibly competitive…” in the same sentence as Chevy Impala & Sonic!

        And some dare lay claim that I’m too bold!

        *The two Impalas (both new gen) I’ve had the displeasure of renting, one which I returned less than 8 hours later (and one that I, unfortunately, could not return due to circumstances), had few miles on the odomoter, and drove like wet farts.

    • 0 avatar
      RedRocket

      What a shock. The only surprise is that there are a handful of non-GM vehicles on this list. But glad to hear that everything Ford and Chrysler spew out is right on target.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        “What a shock. The only surprise is that there are a handful of non-GM vehicles on this list.”

        I’d nuke the entire Acura, Kia, Mitsu, Nissan, Mini and Volvo companies, and 75% of BMW’s offerings.

        READING IS FUNDAMENTAL.

        p.s. – There’s no defending the Malibu or Impala. Both are rolling excrement. The CT6 will bomb worse than the 3rd Gen CTS (give it a full year of sales numbers to register; Cadillac’s Escalade & XT5 are the only reason the lights are on – for now – at the local Clackillac dealerships).

        • 0 avatar
          RedRocket

          Reading such idiocy constantly is hard. Get over yourself.

        • 0 avatar
          ponchoman49

          Yes the Impala is such a rolling disaster that it ranks amongst CR’s very best full size sedan awards, won several comparison tests or came in second and generally outsells most other full sized sedans. There are 4 very happy new style Impala owners at my place of work
          that rave about them and would buy another in a heartbeat so that tells me something. But yes keep making me laugh with your comical replies.

          • 0 avatar
            Corey Lewis

            “There are 4 very happy new style Impala owners at my place of work”

            A GM dealership.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            #alternativefacts

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Ponchoman is Mr. Goodwrench!!!

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            That’s –

            先生 Goodwrench (Consequent Goodwrench)

            – in Chinese (obligatory for GM related matters).

          • 0 avatar
            OldManPants

            “先生”, pronounced syen-shung (xian sheng in pinyin) is interestingly the same character pair as sensei in Japanese.

            Chinese, it’s generally “mister”. Japanese, more hierarchical and age-sensitive: teacher, master, mentor…etc. In both languages it follows the name rather than preceding it.

            Now everybody STFU about CUVs, onegai shimasu.

    • 0 avatar
      Paragon

      Wow, our old buddy DW is offering up a take-no-prisoners solution. I didn’t realize there are so many automotive offerings he’s prepared to dispense with.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    So many models, so little time.

  • avatar
    Joss

    Sentra Nismo? Kill it before it gets going cause it won’t.

  • avatar
    philadlj

    Too much choice is AMERICAN.

  • avatar
    JMII

    All Fiats. Turn their only unique car (the 500) into a Dodge, call it the Omni.

    All GMC. They are just rebadged Chevys anyway.

    I’m all for choice, but can’t stand badge jobs. Its OK to share platforms as long as the end result is two actually different vehicles. VW / Audi manage this pretty well. While I’m not thrilled with the current “everything is a CUV” craze I’m OK with new vehicles that don’t overlap current models from the same OEM. The Mini example above is good one… not enough difference here to create a second vehicle. With that in mind how many 911s are the same? I bet 75% could go away and only a Porsche collector would notice.

  • avatar
    deanst

    Any vehicle with a grill taller than its windows.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Nissan Juke. Nothing that ugly should be able to roam the roads at will.

  • avatar
    zoomzoomfan

    I don’t understand the point of the Mitsubishi Mirage G4, the Ford Fiesta sedan, or the Chevrolet Sonic sedan. Cars that small are made even more impractical by changing them from a hatchback to a sedan. And now, with Americans’ desire for crossovers reaching Fatal Attraction levels of obsession, making a sedan model of a small car that is also offered as a hatchback seems even more counter-productive.

  • avatar
    Fred

    Just the opposite we need more car companies with more models, like before the depression.

    • 0 avatar
      Firestorm 500

      Which Depression? The one during the 1930’s or the one from 2008-current?

      • 0 avatar
        brn

        The more recent one was a Recession, not a Depression.

        People who think otherwise have no idea how bad a Depression is.

        • 0 avatar
          Ol Shel

          They were depressed that a black guy was President.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          It was a legitimate small ‘d’ depression in MANY parts of the nation.

          It was, by far, the worst economy I’ve ever experienced, and I was alive during 1979-1981 (though 3-6 years old).

          It was so bad that I remember the real estate (residential, commercial, etc. – banks were begging a shrinking pool of liquid entities to buy even crown properties for a pittance) literally selling for 10 cents to 20 cents of former transaction prices, relatively large and long-lived companies bite the dust in droves, and transcribed stories from Japan of 120 year old businesses closing down.

          There mass layoffs (10,000 and even 30,000 plus at a time), the fall of Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch (Bank of America was forced to absorb its carcass) and, de facto, Bear Stearns, along with IndyMac, Countrywide Financial, nearly Morgan Stanley…

          …seeing the heads of the Detroit Big 3 drive to Washington as part of kabuki theater to get theatrical bail-outs, and the airlines crumbling, too.

          I remember the Dow getting sliced from 14,700 to 6,678 or something, in large lots of 1,200 points in single days, and car and truck sales literally plunge from a SAR rate of 17 million to just over 10 million, with dealerships and auto divisions folding left and right.

          It was pretty bad. By pretty bad, I mean very, very ugly.

        • 0 avatar
          RedRocket

          Yeah. Kids these days…

  • avatar
    Wunsch

    Those two Minis make sense to me. The Countryman is their entry in the higher-ride-height crossover category, which they have to have these days. The Clubman has a lower centre of gravity and is more appealing to me. I appreciate the fact that they make the Clubman even though it’s more of a niche product, because it’s a niche for people who actually like driving. If they were to kill one, it’d be the one I don’t want them to kill, so I don’t think they should kill anything.

    • 0 avatar
      Russycle

      As a former owner of the previous-gen Clubman, I was sorry to see it go full 4-door. The old 2.5 door was just big enough to make the back seat usable, while still being Mini-ish. The new one…why bother when they have the Countryman?

  • avatar
    RobbieAZ

    The Mercedes CLA and GLA need to go. They are in no way worthy of the name.

  • avatar
    quaquaqua

    How this comment section isn’t fifty people screaming DODGE JOURNEY repeatedly, I’ll never understand. I drove one for a week and it felt like it has been designed with malice and contempt for the general public. Never. Again.

    The Mirage and regular Yaris are also completely useless, given their prices. The Taurus is also beyond outclassed at this point.

    • 0 avatar
      Corey Lewis

      I agree with the regular Yaris. It’s not a good car, and there are now other “Yaris xx” models which were Scion.

      I don’t quite understand the replacement of the Scion brand with the Yaris brand.

      • 0 avatar
        zoomzoomfan

        The Journey exists solely because its platform and design is so old, it has long since paid for itself. And, it’s dirt cheap. They get a ton of fleet sales (I’d wager a guess that more than half of all new Journeys sold are rentals) and of course the subprime Chrysler customers snap up base model Journeys with 84 month loans all the time.

    • 0 avatar
      Dashboard89

      Everyone seems to hate the Mirage due to its price, but in my neck of the woods very, very, VERY lightly used ones seem to be pennies on the dollar. Where does everyone else look for these things?

      That being said I agree on the Yaris, at this point I wonder why they don’t just bring in the newer Mazda 2 hatchbacks like they already do with the iA sedan.

  • avatar
    S2k Chris

    I think a lot of what we see as model proliferation is a result of vehicle platforms and engines being expensive to develop, and variants being relatively cheap. So those two Minis, for instance, it probably cost a relatively insignificant amount of money to develop the second after they made the first, and if it generates any incremental sales, it pays for itself quickly. Same with the X6/X4 and Mercedes equivalents. Cheap to do, profitable when they sell in even small volumes.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Altima vs Maxima – crap or get out of the bathroom Nissan.

    If there is a V6 highly trimmed Altima, why does the Maxima exist?

    If the Maxima has the same engine/transmission as the V6 Altima, why does the V6 Altima exist?

    Differentiate the powertrain choices on the Maxima or ditch the V6 Altima.

    • 0 avatar
      S2k Chris

      Becomes even dumber when you consider the G37/Q50 in the mix.

      • 0 avatar
        JMII

        No because the Q50s are RWD or AWD vs FWD only on the Nissans. As noted below – the Maxima needs AWD to give it room above the Altima to eliminate the current overlap. Actually Nissan should use the Q50 as the Maxima so it could be the real 4DSC. Keep that NA V6 and use the boosted V6 engines (+ goodies) on the Infinitis. Leave the 4 pot in the Altima.

    • 0 avatar
      Corey Lewis

      I think the answer is killing the V6 in the Altima. It would give the Maxima more breathing room, and a reason for the price increase over the Altima. It’s unfortunate that now the Altima is actually larger than the Maxima.

    • 0 avatar
      Corey Lewis

      Looking at pics now, the interior on the Maxima is a huge step up from the Altima, for sure. There’s quilted leather and wood in there.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Kill the Maxima, give the Altima some real interior upgrades on the V6 trim so that a loaded Altima doesn’t feel super cheap. There is no need for two sedans the same size.

    • 0 avatar

      Maxima exists as an upsell to the Altima. It has a CVT, no real enthusiast will buy it.

  • avatar
    anomaly149

    Hot take: most B and C segment non-utes can be consolidated into a low-C vehicle line, and most D segment non-lux sedans should die immediately and be replaced by high trim C/D segment sedans.

    The market just doesn’t care for much else.

    Also, the Flex and MKT can go any day now.

  • avatar
    ajla

    Buick Encore.

    http://i.imgur.com/Wmlz891.jpg

  • avatar
    Higheriq

    Kill anything called a “crossover” which actually ISN’T a crossover: Kia Soul, Kia Niro, Toyota CH-R, to name a few. Or, call them what they actually are: economy cars.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Camaro – they have enough inventory to last until the autumnal solstice. It needs a redesign and a flush of the existing model’s inventory.

  • avatar
    Zackman

    Fiat. Period.

  • avatar
    cls12vg30

    Nothing. The automotive landscape is dreary and monotonous enough as it is without killing the outliers that are interesting to see driving around, whether they’re actually good cars or not.

    I’d rather be stuck at a light behind a Juke, Encore or Fiat that actually makes you look at and consider it, positively or negatively, than behind another silver Camry that may as well be a dishwasher with wheels.

    • 0 avatar
      Zackman

      “… behind another silver Camry that may as well be a dishwasher with wheels.”

      Trouble is, cockroaches, like dishwashers all look the same. Camrys and most Toyotas wind up being “Cockroaches of the Road”© and last forever – or sure seem to.

      ©Geozinger

  • avatar
    dawooj

    To quote Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, “Less is more.” I’d say most major auto brands are losing their core identity products trying to serve up ever more models each year.

    Pare things down and get one or two things right. When I want to eat a burger, I’d much prefer eating at a burger joint that does one hamburger right than go to a diner with 50 other items on the menu.

    Companies are too obsessed with market share and sheer numbers and are losing on the quality of product.

    Most of the major auto brands’ car models have grown larger into the next class size over the years. There’s overlap in the full size category and these are prime for trimming. Looking at you Maxima, Taurus, Avalon, Azera/Cadenza, etc.

    GMC/Chevy Trucks. Keep one, not both. There’s not enough differentiation.

    All the “4 door coupe” models of basically the same car.

    Mini should go back down to a 2-door hardtop and convertible.

    Audi, BMW, Mercedes Alphanumeric permutations in the last 15 yrs. All it does is confuse buyers. Cadillac and Lincoln/Mercury are still paying the price for trying to follow suite.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      “GMC/Chevy Trucks. Keep one, not both. There’s not enough differentiation.”

      There’s more differentiation now than there was even 20 years ago, thanks both to the Denali trim and the different bodies.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    I’d start with that Toyota CH-R abomination above then work my way to the Nissan Joke and the Fiat 500 series. The Smart (dumb) car is next followed by the Mercedes CLA/GLA disasters, the Yaris, the Flex and MKT.

    While they are at it kill the damn alphanumeric names on the Lincoln’s and Cadillacs, make some popular options free standing instead of forcing you into the highest trim level or bundling it with crap nobody wants to pay for. It’s truly disheartening to see the automotive world deteriorating into this boring SUV/CUV anonymous blob culture so fast.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    Anything with a CVT. And don’t tell me they’re getting better.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      Why not? They are. You can admit they’re improving and still not like them. It’s OK. I don’t like them even though they are better than they used to be.

      • 0 avatar
        Compaq Deskpro

        Eeh, a family member has a loaded 2014 Accord, 4 cyl and CVT, and the CVT will vibrate and jerk roughly every other time you take off, kind of like a poorly done takeoff in a manual car. If that’s the pinnacle of CVT’s then no thank you.

        • 0 avatar
          Halftruth

          Yeah.. lots of hate towards CVTs.. owned 3 and like them much better than the multi speed automatics. I didn’t notice how much better CVTs have gotten until I had to borrow a car with an older style auto in it. That did it for me. The model years were only two years apart so we are not talking a ten plus year spread in tech.. Same OEM too.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Yeah, I don’t understand why people are so attached to jerky shifting and being out of the powerband. In sporty cars, multi-gear transmissions make sense. In white-bread appliance cars they’re harmful.

            One thing that’s true about CVTs is that they expose engine NVH issues pretty brutally. I think most complaints about CVTs are actually complaints about engine NVH.

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      CVTs still aren’t there.

      Also, if you’re going to sell a CVT, don’t do the dang simulated shift points. If you think you’re buyers are going freak out without simulated shifts, you’re buyers don’t want a CVT.

  • avatar
    Compaq Deskpro

    Porsche should discontinue everything but the 911, and offer nothing but manual transmissions. Who needs profits when you have blog commentor approved mechanical purity?

    But seriously, one vehicle style that should go is the half assed electric cars and hybrids, just for the sake of compliance. The Malibu Eco from a few years back is one of them, electric Spark, Smart car, Fiat, iMiev, as someone mentioned Honda can’t seem to get it right. At the very least be on the Nissan Leaf’s level or don’t bother.

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      The Malibu Eco was ahead of it’s time and not understood by the buying public. People thought they were getting a hybrid for free. They were really getting a beefy start/stop system.

      Agree that the Leaf should be the minimum bar for an EV. The very minimum.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    1. Any Honda hybrid. They need to quit trying.

    2. Any fuel cell vehicle. They’re totally impractical and not-so-green.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    There are quite a few cars that could disappear from the US market with no real effect on consumer choices.

    GM
    Kill the Spark (the Sonic is small and cheap enough for the US market). Combine the Malibu and Impala into one model. Kill the Regal. Kill the CTS and grow the ATS just a bit.

    Ford
    Kill the Taurus. Kill all Lincolns not powered by at least the 2.7T engine, except the MKC 2.3T.

    FCA
    Kill the Dodge brand. The Grand Caravan and Journey are cheap, but make the whole enterprise smell like a dollar store. Make a downmarket trim of the Pacifica. Replace the Durango with a Jeep. Charger sales can go to the 300. Call the Challenger a Chrysler.

    Kill the Cherokee. The new Compass would make it totally redundant if you put the 3.2 (or 3.6) in the top trims.

    Get rid of all the Italians but Ferrari. They just can’t compete in the US market. Fiat and Maserati’s lineups are both jokes. Alfa is better but doesn’t have the infrastructure to compete with Ze Germans.

    Toyota
    Kill the GX and replace it with what all those suburban moms really want: a roomy three-row crossover with butch truck looks. The LX will still be around for the few buyers who really want a luxury BOF.

    Kill the Yaris. It’s just not competitive.

    Nissan
    Kill the Titan. Kill the Sentra (the Versa is better). Kill the Maxima and add a bit of its refinement to the higher Altima trims. Kill the QX70.

    Honda
    Kill the RLX unless you can cut the price of both FWD and Hybrid by at least $10k. Kill the ILX. Kill the Clarity EV in the womb.

    BMW and Mercedes
    Stop having multiple bodies for the same car. Merge 3 + 4GC, 5 + 6GC, X4 + X3, and X6 + X5. Same for the equivalent Mercedes. Also, kill the CLA if you can’t make it as nice inside as the C-Class.

    Audi
    Kill all FWD Audis. Subaru playbook: make every one AWD.

    Porsche
    Kill any Macan/Panamera/Cayenne variant with a 6.5+ sec 0-60. Let Audi sell to those customers instead.

    Volvo
    Kill the V60 and V90 non-raised wagons.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      I agree that Lexus should have a 3-row CUV, but the GX is pretty much just a LC Prado with luxury frosting which I’m guessing makes it quite profitable.

      Considering that I don’t think Toyota has any plans to kill the Prado I don’t see why they should axe the GX.

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      Dal,

      Love my Taurus. It’s a shame that the rest of you don’t get to appreciate how very much it has to offer.

      Because of automotive reviews (Bark is an idiot), I was also turned off and wouldn’t consider a Taurus. I was about to buy a 2013 Fusion when the salesman “strongly encouraged” me to drive the 2013 Taurus. The Taurus is a very superior car for the same money (out the door).

      • 0 avatar
        Drzhivago138

        I want to like the Taurus, but for such a big, heavy car, it needs to have more space inside than the Fusion.

        • 0 avatar
          brn

          Drzhivago138, regardless of what the reviewers and specs say, I test drove both and the Taurus is roomier, both front and back.

          Granted, it’s not as roomy as it should be for it’s size, but it is roomier than a Fusion.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        I like the way the Taurus drives — I like the platform enough that I’m seriously considering buying a stretched, luxed-up version with a funny boat tail and some extra seats (a Lincoln MKT). But Ford really screwed up with the interior packaging on the Taurus version. It has no more cubes than a Fusion, which is regrettable given that it’s about a quarter-ton heavier depending on equipment and also quite a bit longer. The platform is really best optimized for crossovers, and building sedans on it didn’t quite work out.

        IMO one of the Fusion’s biggest weaknesses was in the engine room, cured nicely by the Fusion Sport. The other one is weight, but it’s still lighter than the Taurus.

    • 0 avatar
      210delray

      Finally, a list with some thought put into it. Bravo, nice work!

      I have to admit that DeadWeight’s list was hilarious to read though.

    • 0 avatar
      Dave M.

      It took 2-3 to grow on me, but I love the QX-70. That’s the 3rd car I’ve hated at first sight and grew to love. The Nissan Hardbody was the first; the Isuzu Trooper was the second. I bought both, and hope to buy a QX-70 before they redesign them.

      Now the Juke….I still hate. But my daughter loves them and wants one so…..

  • avatar
    brandloyalty

    What’s important here is something quite different. The real story is that computerization allows efficient manufacture of a greater number of product variations.

    Or that consumers can be happily tricked into paying the inherent costs in creating and maintaining (cost to stock parts) of this diversity.

  • avatar
    Halftruth

    Ok how about this.. Unkill Pontiac. It kills me they went for sporty and killed the Pontiac brand and attempted to make fuddy duddy Cadillac the sporty, edgy brand. Pontiac had that edge to it (for me anyway) and more potential than Cadillac.

  • avatar
    Pig_Iron

    Any compact or subcompact hatch and replace with a proper wagon(ette) that is AT LEAST THE SAME OVERALL LENGTH AS THE SEDAN!!!

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      But then we couldn’t buy a car shorter than the sedan. The new crop of hatchbacks are great choices for urban parkers. The 5 inches or so can be the difference between getting into that one spot or having to circle another 10 minutes.

  • avatar
    GeneralMalaise

    Kill all Lincoln-Mercury, Subaru, Nissan trucks and CUV/SUV, Buick, Hyundai, Nissan Versa, Sentra, Altima, Masturba, for starters.

  • avatar
    npaladin2000

    Let’s see, so many models to choose from:

    Toyota C-HR, especially when their actual AWD subcompact SUV comes out.

    Subaru Crosstrek: Either give it a decent powerplant or just admit it’s an Impreza.

    Mitsubishi….all of them. Justget rid of all of them already.

    GMC….see Mitsubishi

    FIAT…yeah, all of them in the US too, just not working out.

    Buick: Close it down in the US, just stick with China

    Finally, every midsized blahmobile sedan remaining. Just hasten the inevitable.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      What’s wrong with GMC? It’s more differentiated from Chevy now than it’s ever been (or at least, since the mid-’60s).

      If Buick was discontinued in the US, it would lose most of its desirability in China.

      • 0 avatar
        npaladin2000

        “What’s wrong with GMC? It’s more differentiated from Chevy now than it’s ever been (or at least, since the mid-’60s).”

        You realize how low a bar that is? For all intents and purposes they’re just Chevy’s with different trims and options. There’s no reason the variants couldn’t be under a single brand.

        • 0 avatar
          Drzhivago138

          How low or high that bar is (or seems to be) is irrelevant. The Denali trim might be GMC’s raison dêtre right now, but it’s all that’s needed. To remove the distinction between the two brands and sell them as one would be foolish on GM’s part. There are actually buyers who believe there’s some mechanical difference between the two, and if GM can make money off them, more power to ’em.

          The time to be asking the question, “Why GMC” is not now, but 20 years ago. From the discontinuation of the GMC V6 in 1970 to the introduction of the Denali trim in 1999, there truly was no difference.

          • 0 avatar
            npaladin2000

            Have you seen a Silverado “High Country” edition? I’m parked next to one right now. Makes a Denali look like a Daewoo.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    “I don’t want more choice, I just want better things.” Edina Monsoon.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Kill the boxer engine.

  • avatar
    sensiblebuyer

    So many models need to be axed, it’s borderline funny.
    I’d say the Honda HR-V takes top honors followed by
    – MB GLA
    – Audi Q3
    – Mazda CX-3

    Seems to be a pattern huh

  • avatar
    MRF 95 T-Bird

    BMW X4 and X6. Whats the point of sloped roofed “coupe” CUV versions of the X3 and X5? Better yet make them 3 door coupes to differentiate them.

  • avatar
    NMGOM

    TTAC: “QOTD: Which Car Models Need to Die Immediately?”

    ANS:

    1) All Sedans
    2) All FWD vehicles
    3) All vehicles without manual transmissions.

    Believe me, guys, what is left would make a safer, better world…(^_^)…

    ============================

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    28-Cars-Later

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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