By on November 23, 2016

2013 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, Image: General Motors

Alright … here’s the deal. It’s the year 2007. You can buy one of the highest-performing automobiles ever sold to the general public for a relative bargain — let’s say $70,000. It’s possible that you will pay less, particularly if you have access to an employee pricing plan. Then you can put 30,000 to 40,000 miles on said car over the course of nine years. Maybe a bit more.

When it’s time to sell that car, how much would you expect to get?

Let’s put this in perspective. Last year, Acura won the Edmunds resale-value crowd with a projected retention of 47.6 percent after five years. So if you could match that, you’d be at $33,320. After five years. After nine years? Well, that’s anybody’s guess. But it would certain be less than $33,320. With that in mind, what would be a realistic number to get if you just tossed the thing on eBay? Fifteen grand? Twenty? Would you believe… between $38,000 and $45,000?

If you’re currently the owner of a sixth-generation Corvette Z06, the above scenario is no dream.

About two months ago, the current Mrs. Baruth decided that she wanted a Corvette Grand Sport to sit in the driveway (let’s be real, the storage unit) next to her Fiesta ST and her MX-5 Cup car. Naturally, I was in favor of this purchase. I did, however, have a few concerns. The first was Danger Girl’s habit of tossing cars off the racing surface at remarkable speeds. It seemed like a risky move to drop $70,000 on a new car and then immediately rub it against some Armco somewhere.

My second concern was more bench-racy, so to speak: How would a C7 Corvette Grand Sport stack up against a slightly-used C6 Z06? On paper, it’s not much of a fight; the old car has about 10-percent more power to push about 12-percent less weight. In practice, it’s not that simple. The sixth-generation Z06 can be a bit frightful at the ragged edge, in marked contrast to the C7 Grand Sport, which is thoroughly comfortable at the proverbial limit. The question becomes: Given the massive price difference between a C6 Z06 and a C7 Grand Sport, how much better could you make the former?

Here’s the problem: the price difference ain’t that massive. It’s possible to get a well-equipped 2LT Grand Sport for sixty grand flat from the GM dealer of your choice. A five-year-old Z06, on the other hand … well, that’s a $50,000 car. With no warranty and a slightly iffy ownership history. If you check the completed-auction listings on eBay, you’ll see that some of them are going out the door for $55,000.

I called a couple of specialty Corvette retailers in the Midwest to talk about what seemed to me like a rather outrageous retained-value percentage. Nobody wanted to go on record about it, but the sentiment I heard from just about everybody was this: “You have guys who dumped their C6es to get in line for a C7 Z06 … and some of ’em are coming back.” This rising tide isn’t lifting the boat for Corvette ZR1 pricing, by the way. In fact, good final-model-year Z07 Carbon Coupes are now worth more than pretty much any ZR1 out there, even though all a Z07 Carbon Coupe really amounts to is a ZR1 without the blower.

As noted in the opening paragraphs, the rebound in Z06 values is even affecting the 2008 models, which are now selling in the $40,000 range for good, mid-mileage examples. Last year, some of these cars were no-sales at $29,995. Now the owners are naming their price and getting it. Inventories are low for the C6 Z06 pretty much everywhere you look.

What’s going on here? Is the new Z06 really as much of a disappointment as I predicted a few years ago? From my perspective, the answer is a qualified “not really.” Yes, the car is heavy, and yes it has thermal management issues. But the C6 Z06 wasn’t exactly free from problems itself. The LS7 engine can be fragile and the money you need to spend to ensure its long life is nontrivial. So I don’t think this is entirely about the empirical merits of either vehicle.

A better way to look at it: this is the air-cooled effect at work. We’re all familiar with the outrageous increase in the value of pretty much every Porsche 911 made prior to 1999. I could easily sell my ’95 for more than twice what I paid for it back in 2001, which is the kind of thing that both gratifies and disturbs me. It’s not that the new Porsches are junk, although some of them can veer perilously close to meriting the sobriquet. It’s more that they’re completely charmless products that lack pretty much all of the good and bad qualities that made the aircooled cars such characterful ownership experiences.

The C7 Corvette is a damned good car no matter how you spec it out. But I can see how a die-hard fan of the marque might be just a little frustrated with how quiet, competent, and heavy it truly is. The C6 Z06 offers more drama in a lighter, more homespun-feeling package. If that’s what “Corvette” means to you, then you’re not going to be easily satisfied with the new model, even if it is slightly faster in a straight line.

I don’t think this state of affairs will resolve any time soon. In fact, future generations might revere the last of the normally aspirated Z06es the same way their Porsche-owning pals worship the 993 Carrera 2S. So I’d rate the sixth-gen super-Vette a solid “buy and hold.” And from that, you might well conclude that Danger Girl has a Z07 Carbon Coupe on the way to Powell, Ohio. You’d be wrong, but that’s a story for another time.

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47 Comments on “Is The C6 Corvette Z06 Having An Air-Cooled Moment?...”


  • avatar

    If you gotta have problems, I’d say this is a nice problem to have.

    • 0 avatar
      threeer

      Exactly! I must be in the wrong line of work. My decision came down to which “soulless econo-box” SUV/CUV I could get for under $15k that would haul me, my wife, my newly-adopted daughter and our dog around…

  • avatar
    ajla

    What she should do is get the ’96 Grand Sport. Or a 90s ZR1. C4life yo.

    Wait and see what happens with the older cars if GM goes full-crazy and turns the Corvette into a $150K mid-engine, plug-in NSX competitor.

    • 0 avatar
      JMII

      I wonder if this current up tick in C6 pricing is just that… people starting to fear some C8 monster turning the ‘Vette world upside down. I think the C7 is still too new to see this effect, but as soon as the C8 arrives we will know for sure. Given the level of performance the Camaro has these days it almost seems like GM will need a radical C8 to distance itself. If that happens I wonder if GM would see fit to make a baby-vette, same concepts and design language but in a smaller and more affordable package. Image an FRS sized Vette, powered by a turbo 6 and an all out attack on lightness ala Lotus. Not likely I know… but we can dream.

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    My favorite is the C5 Z06.

    Hidden flip around headlights for the win.

    Edited to add… looks like the C5 has a standard pop up. Whoops.

    C4 vette is best vette!

    • 0 avatar
      NormSV650

      Yeah, C5 will be the last Corvette near the 3,000 lbs mark and perfect for eating a set if $50.00 NAPA brake rotors on the weekends.

      Just a camshaft and head job and it is +100 horsepower for under $20K today a C5 could be yours.

  • avatar
    MrGreenMan

    I remember hearing Jeff Gordon suggest that the Grand Sport was really the right price point in the Corvette lineup, and, well, he picked Jimmie Johnson, and look at how he traded up from a Sealey to a model with her own lingerie line.

  • avatar
    Jimal

    I still haven’t warmed to the C7’s look yet. Give me a C6 with the interior materials and other dynamic updates from the C7 and you’d get my attention.

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    More low interest rate asset bubbles.

    • 0 avatar
      NormSV650

      I am still waiting for HMC to put their money where mouth is on residuals and offer RDX for less than $300/month with a couple thousand down. Seems like the rest of the Japanese and German’s are offering the ssmr deal.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    Sounds a lot like a Grand Sport is coming.

    Or maybe a ZR1.

  • avatar
    golden2husky

    I guess I’m not really the person to ask the question to because frankly, I’d never have even considered a C6. I kind of viewed that car as a superior chassis looking for a good body and interior. While the C7 looks are subjective, the vast improvement in quality and interior fitment makes the few hundred extra pounds a trivial concern, at least to this C7 owner. Consider the weight run-up of a M3. That car has put on, what, 1000 lbs since its E30 days? And most would likely say the car is better for it. That said, those who were looking for max performance with as small a weight penalty will find it in the C6 Zo6. The limited supply will then translate into high prices. I just can’t fathom looking at that cheap interior every time I want to go for a drive.

  • avatar
    LS1Fan

    The Corvette is an American status symbol. As such most owners have no intention to actually track the cars.

    If you want to impress the neighbors ,a C6 Z06 will do an equally good job as a C7 for theoretically less money.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      Only until your neighbor peeks inside……

      People don’t pay close to C7 money for a C6 to save a few bucks on a “status symbol.” The Z06 has always been a big hit with truly die hard enthusiast Corvette heads.

      To the extent there is a “status” angle to this, it is just that “everyone” is now churning out mindlessly fast, soul less cars. To such a degree that enthusiasts pretty much reflexively assume the new one is no longer an improvement where it matters, in driving enjoyment.

      Up until the past half decade in the West, in Japan perhaps the past 2-3 decades, the reflexive assumption went the other way around. But the West is about to catch up with Japan in more ways than one, so here we are, for better or worse.

  • avatar
    olddavid

    It’s not the “air-cooled” effect it’s the “more money than brains” syndrome.

  • avatar
    MatadorX

    This is not limited to the Z06 guys and gals. Seems many many unlikely products of the General made right before, and during its bankruptcy are doing crazy well on the used car market due to being actually really desirable products that either were cut short early, couldn’t find enough buyers in the rough economic times, or were simply the best of a specific model/platform/configuration.

    Hummer H3T Alpha, Pontiac Solstice Coupe, Clean Saturn Astra coupes, finally of course Pontiac G8 6cyl, GT, AND GXP all stupid expensive still considering they are all deteriorating, accumulating mileage, and approaching the 10 year mark. It’s literally cheaper to buy a used 5k mile 2015 SS than a 2009 GXP Auto (let’s not even get into the $40K it will run for a manual) with anything south of 50k miles. No warranty, crappy suspensions but still G8 is worth the bucks for some reason.

    Even Saab isn’t immune to this “Old GM effect” in valuation.

    2011/12 they were finally dead for good. Try to find a 9-4X Aero? Expect to pay nearly 10k more than the comparable turbo spec of the Caddy on which it’s based. Good luck touching a 9-3 Sportcombi XWD for even CLOSE to what you can get a clean 3/5 series AWD wagon from 08-10 for. Even the 1st Gen 9-5, re-skinned for 06-09, want a clean wagon from the final years? Better be ok with 100k on the clock and 10K+ for a 8-10 year old ancient European platform. GM effect is unreal. Even the used Tacoma market can’t touch it.

    Saabs are the worst I’ve seen yet though, especially since owners treat them like the space shuttle, and rack up 100K+ in 4 years more often than any other brand I’ve seen. Back when they were worthless used, who cares. But now that the last ones made are still deep 5 figure cars (asking), that no bank will touch a note on, have zero trade in value, have zero kbb value, sell for nothing at auction, sit on dealer lots for months……one has to wonder where the inflated values come from? Nostalgia?

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      I sold my G8 GXP after 6.5 years and 37,000 kind of brutal miles (many of them on Washington, DC streets) for more than two-thirds of what I paid for it new. It was unbelievable.

      I really don’t understand the SS being cheaper than the GXP. It’s just a flat better car.

  • avatar
    raph

    Meh… I’d go in for the C6 Z06 with that big ol honk’n LS7.

    So much more character compared to the C7 cars.

  • avatar
    NotFast

    I got rid of my 2008 Z06 2 years ago because with kids and crappy Chicago area roads – I was not driving it enough to keep.

    I’m boycotting this story because I don’t want to know that my car might have gone up in value since then :-

  • avatar
    MeJ

    Let me inform you that I love the 911 and C7 virtually equally.
    First, I’m wondering how a car like the new 911, a car generally regarded as the pinnacle of sports cars, can be close to being, as you put it, “junk”.
    On another note, have you noticed how, in the car world, issues that were once considered flaws when new, are considered character traits after 10-15 years? And that when a modern car improves all of its perceived flaws (I’m thinking about how the Corvette was considered hairy at the limit, but is now perfectly competent)it is then called soulless or without character? Or when cars were under powered we all screamed in protest, and now we’re like, hey man, maybe that’s ‘too’ much power.
    It always amazes me how fickle people are.

    • 0 avatar
      Testacles Megalos

      ‘pends what you want.

      diving into a corner seemingly too quick in an oil cooled 911, a little lift or LFB brush to plant the front and initiate turn-in and the steer the throttle around the corner is just too fun. The kind of fun I’ve never found in Boxsters or Caymen (not tried it in a 996/7/1 – but with PASM and everything else it’s hard to imagine the chassis will feel as raw at the edge at survivable speeds) even if I can turn faster laps in those cars.

      I’ll be a Caterham 7 would be a real hoot at the track……. old ‘vettes used to be pretty cost-effective track tools as well.

  • avatar

    Jack——–

    ACR>ZO6

    Just sayin.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      When I got the ZX-14R, I put the ACR dream aside.

      This car is for Mrs. Baruth, not me.

    • 0 avatar

      I want to start a GoFundMe page to buy Jack a Viper but I’m not sure that’s the right thing to do for a guy who already owns a couple of Porsches he rarely drives. However, the Clinton Foundation says they spend 12% on overhead. Let’s say we try to raise a million dollars for a worthy cause. We’ll call it, Buy Jack A Viper… For The Children. Twelve percent of a million dollars should just about cover an ACR.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    I think it’s a bit soon, but again, the aircooled effect happened pretty quickly, so maybe I’m wrong. I’m wondering if the same thing will happen to live-axle Mustangs? (what if Barks ‘school bus’ is repreciating as we speak?)
    It must be hard to own something like a 996, and know it’s increasing in value, while being attached enough to the car to not want to sell it. Especially if you are the kind of person who ‘knows’ you can’t get a better car for the money it will bring if you sold it.
    I think this is an effect we will see more of , because (compare to Barks ‘social network’ post) people who like cars ‘hang’ with other car people on the interwebz, and a lot of us always just ‘know’ that ‘things were better in the past’. we talk about lightweight cars, about cars with DIN stereos, about manual transmissions, about being allowed to change a light bulb without any canvus system telling you to go to the dealershio to reset the bulb indicators or whatevs. We have experienced cars that had no esp or abs and other stuff that made driving boring etc. There are a lot of ‘hipsters’ out there looking for the ‘real’ car experiences, and they don’t watch the superbowls adds or read pink-blogs. They ‘hang out’ at the HAMB, at Speedhunters or Hooniverse, or watch ‘Rauh-Welts’ instagram, and possibly read TTAC (which is where they learned that the new Z06 would be a dissapointment)
    Their idea of the perfect car is a 1602 rebuilt into a 2002 Turbo replica with an LS14 engine on steroids. Or a 78 Celica with a 2-JZ conversion and full ‘Mad Max’ styling (the first film, before society is all gone) or a slammed Model A pickup (on airbags) with a Turbo’d Lexus v8, on ‘Vossen’ concave wheels.
    And the only Cadillac or Lincoln they’ve ever noticed (that wasn’t an SUV)was on ‘FastNLoud’.

  • avatar
    jack4x

    Wondering if a similar effect is in store for the Viper in a few years, and for a similar reason. Once a NA, RWD, manual transmission supercar with a reasonably light weight is difficult or impossible to buy new, will the mostly unloved Gen V be seen in a better light?

  • avatar
    Big Al From 'Murica

    I’ll ask the mommybloggers which one is better.

  • avatar
    Wheeljack

    There is a similar phenomenon happening with 1997-2006 Jeep “TJ” Wranglers as well, especially any LWB “Unlimited” models or Rubicons, or better yet, a Rubicon Unlimited, the pinnacle of the TJ series in terms of retained value.

    The TJ is the last of the inline-six engines, and the last of the basic “tub” that has design and construction elements that go all the way back to the M38A1/CJ-5 and CJ-7 models. The current Wrangler, while similar in spirit, has a radically different “tub” once you start looking at the details, not that it’s necessarily bad, by the way.

    As a result of that, some people have a nostalgia for the TJ Wranglers and are keeping the prices relatively high given the fact that they are all at least 10 years old now.

  • avatar

    By any chance does Mrs. Baruth have an older sister who is Jewish?

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    1st, I detest GM and the total sh*t they produce, with the exception of 3 models (Tahoe, C7 Vette, and Silverado configured properly).

    2nd, the difference between the 6th & 7th gen Corvette in terms of chassis, interior quality, torsional rigidity, switchgear, etc., is night and day, with the 7th gen better by a country mile in every way. It’s a difference so large that they might as well be design/builds from different decades.

    Finally, I would take the naturally aspirated V8 Vette of any generation over its FI brethren if running costs and reliability/durability were considerations in the purchase, for MANY reasons.

    • 0 avatar

      If you’re using FI as an abbreviation for “forced induction”, that could be confused with “fuel injection”. YMMV but I’d use “pressure charged”, though that would be PC and in today’s political atmosphere that would be just too confusing.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    I think there is something else at play.

    I was shocked to learn that clean examples of the LS2 powered Chevy Trailblazer SS sell for $18K to $22K this week. That to me is insane money for a at best 8 year old GMT360 anything.

    Clean, silmilar low mile L76 powered G8 GTs still sell for $15K to $20K (auction prices don’t reflect final sale reality). A G8 GXP can easily pull down $30K still, 75% of its value 8 years later.

    Spend some time looking at what 10 year old LS2 Pontiac GTOs sell for – and they were never that inspiring (even the 2004 5.7 powered versions command jaw dropping prices)

    I don’t know if it is LS power reputation, and the trope of LS ALL THE THINGS, but there are a number of pre-bankruptcy GM products with LS engines under the hood that have remarkable resale tenacity. Heck look at the market for the SSR.

    • 0 avatar
      davefromcalgary

      I’m eyeing on kijiji a 2010 5.3L Canyon crew cab right now. 180000 kms, and he wants 14,000 CAD. While it seems high to me, but first gen crew cab canyons seem to hold their value, even with the oddball I5.

      To me, the V8 midsize crewcab is exactly what I want. Still maneuverable and parkable, still able to tow 6k with aplomb while making sweet V8 noises.

      That said, no G80 (its not a Z71) would be a deal breaker.

    • 0 avatar
      Drew8MR

      Remember the 94-95 Impalas? Same thing.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      The Trailblazer may be a symptom of what you describe, but all of those other examples are an LS wrapped in something rare or collectible which has an impact on valuation. If it were just “LS V8” magic the W-Impala version should be commanding a great lead over the V6, but it doesn’t. Granted GM is stingy with LS application outside of trucks, and the 4T65-E doesn’t work well in LS4 application, but if it were as simple as “gotta get me an LS” it should fare better.

      MY07 Chevrolet Impala V6 LT (3.5 60V6)

      11/02/16 Manheim Harrisonburg Regular $4,500 73,569 Above Red 6G A Yes
      11/23/16 Manheim Pittsburgh Regular $3,200 76,066 Avg White 6G A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Omaha Regular $5,700 76,573 Above Burgundy 6G A Yes
      11/23/16 Manheim Central Florida Regular $4,400 83,602 Above Gray 6ET A Yes
      11/16/16 Manheim Central Florida Lease $1,100 85,318 Below Black 6ET A No
      11/17/16 Manheim El Paso Lease $3,200 93,358 Avg Burgundy 6ET A Yes
      11/01/16 Manheim Statesville Lease $4,500 93,892 Above White 6ET A Yes
      11/22/16 Manheim Fort Lauderdale Lease $3,600 94,199 Avg White 6G A Yes
      11/23/16 Manheim Fredericksburg Lease $5,300 94,864 Above Gray 6ET A Yes
      11/03/16 Manheim Fredericksburg Regular $4,600 96,018 Above Burgundy 6ET A Yes
      11/01/16 Manheim Ohio Lease $2,200 96,430 Avg Burgundy 6ET A Yes
      11/09/16 Manheim New York Regular $3,300 100,360 Avg Silver 6G A Yes
      11/15/16 Manheim Nashville Lease $2,600 100,703 Avg Gray 6ET A Yes
      11/02/16 Manheim Pittsburgh Regular $2,700 103,564 Avg Gold 6G A Yes
      11/01/16 Manheim Arena Illinois Lease $1,100 104,038 Below Gray 6ET A No
      11/09/16 Manheim Kansas City Regular $4,600 105,314 Above Gray 6G A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim St Pete Regular $4,000 105,955 Above White 6G A Yes
      11/03/16 Manheim Dallas-Fort Worth Regular $3,600 108,444 Avg Blue 6ET A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Louisville Lease $4,100 109,572 Above Silver 6G A Yes
      11/10/16 Manheim Cincinnati Regular $2,600 111,173 Avg Silver 6G A Yes
      11/10/16 Manheim Northstar Minnesota Regular $4,900 111,256 Above Red 6G A No
      11/17/16 Manheim Cincinnati Regular $3,000 112,323 Avg White 6G A Yes
      11/23/16 Manheim Dallas-Fort Worth Regular $3,900 113,614 Avg Red 6G Yes
      11/23/16 Manheim Milwaukee Lease $2,100 115,240 Avg Silver 6ET A Yes
      11/15/16 Manheim Baltimore-Washington Regular $2,500 116,030 Avg Black 6G A Yes
      11/08/16 Manheim Nashville Regular $4,700 116,179 Above Silver 6G A Yes
      11/03/16 Manheim Fredericksburg Regular $2,400 119,031 Avg White 6G A Yes
      11/22/16 Manheim Ohio Lease $1,700 120,877 Avg Silver 6ET A Yes
      11/15/16 Manheim Arena Illinois Lease $2,200 125,147 Avg Black 6ET A Yes
      11/16/16 Manheim California Lease $1,350 125,559 Below White 6ET A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Nevada Regular $3,000 128,404 Avg Red 6G A Yes
      11/15/16 Manheim Ohio Lease $1,750 128,853 Avg Silver 6G A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Cincinnati Lease $3,800 131,355 Avg Burgundy 6ET A Yes
      11/10/16 Manheim Fredericksburg Regular $2,900 131,384 Avg Gold 6G A Yes
      11/09/16 Manheim Kansas City Lease $2,400 133,429 Avg White 6G A Yes
      11/15/16 Manheim Baltimore-Washington Regular $950 135,056 Below Silver 6G A Yes
      11/11/16 Manheim Dallas Regular $2,600 136,514 Avg Gray 6G A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Darlington Regular $3,000 139,505 Avg Silver 6G A Yes
      11/08/16 Manheim Nashville Regular $1,850 141,401 Avg Gray 6ET A Yes
      11/22/16 Manheim St Louis Regular $3,050 144,479 Avg White 6G A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Orlando Regular $1,400 146,346 Avg Red 6G A Yes
      11/16/16 Manheim Denver Lease $1,100 146,456 Below Burgundy 6ET A Yes
      11/10/16 Manheim Texas Hobby Regular $1,400 150,747 Avg White 6G A Yes
      11/08/16 Manheim Baltimore-Washington Regular $1,300 156,529 Below Red 6G A Yes
      11/22/16 Manheim Darlington Lease $1,700 157,039 Avg Blue 6G A Yes
      11/15/16 Manheim Arena Illinois Regular $1,300 157,182 Below Gray 6G A Yes
      11/23/16 Manheim New York Lease $900 159,970 Below Brown 6ET A Yes
      11/01/16 Manheim Nashville Regular $1,800 160,708 Avg White 6G A Yes
      11/03/16 Manheim Dallas-Fort Worth Regular $1,400 181,462 Avg Silver 6G A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Dallas-Fort Worth Regular $600 192,698 Below Gray 6G A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Nevada Regular $1,000 196,537 Below Silver 6G A Yes
      11/03/16 Manheim Detroit Regular $1,300 219,351 Below Silver 6G Yes

      MY07 Chevrolet Impala SS (LS4)

      11/04/16 Manheim Pennsylvania Regular $6,500 64,727 Above Gray 8G A Yes
      11/03/16 Manheim Nevada Regular $4,800 74,273 Avg Black 8G A Yes
      11/17/16 Manheim Palm Beach Regular $7,500 84,604 Above Silver 8G A No
      11/16/16 Manheim Fort Myers Regular $4,500 111,253 Avg Black 8G A Yes
      11/02/16 Manheim Dallas Lease $1,300 116,032 Below Red 8G A No
      11/07/16 Manheim Tulsa Lease $4,300 120,707 Avg White 8G A Yes
      11/09/16 Manheim San Diego Lease $1,650 151,239 Avg Silver 8G A Yes
      11/08/16 Manheim Arena Illinois Regular $2,550 152,829 Avg Red 8G A Yes
      11/22/16 Manheim Detroit Regular $1,800 168,913 Avg White 8G A Yes
      11/09/16 Manheim Lakeland Regular $1,500 195,378 Below Black 8G A Yes
      11/01/16 Manheim Atlanta Lease $1,800 226,836 Avg Black 8G A Yes
      11/10/16 Manheim Atlanta Regular $2,600 226,856 Avg Black 8G A No

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        “the 4T65-E doesn’t work well in LS4 application”

        That’s a bit of an understatement. The severely underspec’d transmission and early implementation of cylinder deactivation means LS4 cars are arguably as gimped as a mid-90s Northstar Cadillac.

        That said, the Mercury Marauder seems to enjoy big resale values and that obviously doesn’t use an LS. I haven’t looked them up in a long time, but I’d expect a Ram SRT-10 or any Mustang Cobra holds up okay too.

        I just think people like the slightly old-school experience that you can get in this stuff.

  • avatar
    formula m

    On kijiji in Ontario right now there is 2008 Z06 25,000mi are asking $45k cdn which is around $35k USD right now. These cars aren’t winter driven. Many seem to be in this price range.

    http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/markham-york-region/2008-z06/1218259440?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

  • avatar
    tjh8402

    I wonder how much the engine is playing a role in this? The LS7 is an incredible achievement. there’s nothing quite like a big V8, and one as high revving as the LS7 is unbelievable. It’s also special for those in the know, who are aware of the connection between this powerplant and the now rightfully legendary Corvette GT1 Le Mans cars. That it was replaced by a supercharged small block, which will never match it sound, feel, and charisma no matter how much power, has probably only added to its allure. See also the aforementioned drop in values for ZR1s. The racing connection for the new Z06 has also weakened thanks to the LT4 being built on the standard small block assembly line alongside it’s more pedestrian brethren. The LS7 was hand built at GM’s race engine factory alongside NASCAR, Indycar, and NHRA race motors as well as its Le Mans cousins.

    It’s not that hard for most tuners or automotive engineers to put a supercharger on an engine and make it ludicrously powerful, but ultimately its no dramatic difference in feel or sound to the normal Vette (unless you really love that blower whine). A racebred and built hand crafted pushrod V8 over 400 cubic inches that still revs to 7000 rpm is a truly special achievement. That it was put in the lightweight stripped down most elemental Vette you could find only adds to it.

  • avatar
    burgersandbeer

    Interesting read, though I’m only commenting to recommend following the link to Danger Girl’s MX-5 Cup Car.

    Anyone who wants something might stop making excuses and start taking action after reading that. Damn.

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