By on September 13, 2016

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It’s a sad day for Volkswagen Golf GTI purists and fanboys. The GTI — one of autodom’s quintessential hot hatches — will lose its two-door variant in the U.S. as the scandal-rocked automaker jettisons low-volume offerings.

A very familiar face and name broke the story at Jalopnik after a Volkswagen product manager mentioned the cancellation during the company’s Golf Alltrack media test drive.

When Mark Baruth (a.k.a. Bark M) asked about pricing on 2017 GTI two-doors, Megan Garbis, Golf product manager at Volkswagen of America, stated that production of that model would end in two weeks.

That leaves a very short 2017 model year run for the two-door GTI. While we don’t have sales figures for specific GTI variants, overall sales of the model reached a high point in the U.S. last year. Increased demand apparently didn’t translate into more sales of the two-door model.

Garbis said that customers and dealers overwhelmingly ask for the four-door GTI. The automaker’s new U.S. strategy is to give customers what they demand most (and not a thing more, it would seem), so the two-door, as traditional as it is, needs to exit stage left. The order process for a four-door GTI has reportedly been streamlined.

“We’ve reduced the complexity, which allows the customer to configure the GTI he or she wants online and go to the dealership and pick it up today,” Garbis said.

With crossovers overtaking family sedans in sales and two-door coupes slowly disappearing from the automotive landscape, it seems practicality truly rules the day.

[Image: Volkswagen of America]

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  • avatar
    FormerFF

    Yeah, I was poking around VW’s car configurator the other day (don’t judge me!) and it looked like all the two doors were gone. I’ve been thinking about one more track car (I’m 58) sometime in the next couple of years and a GTI with a DSG might be just the trick for an old guy track rat. I’d like the two door since I’d want a roll bar and having rear doors that open into an unusable rear seat seems kind of wrong.

    • 0 avatar
      RetroGrouch

      Rear doors that allow easy access to the fuel pump or fire bottle are highly desirable in a track car.

      Someone I worked with many years ago loved his 2 door GMmoldsBuick and claimed that “sedans were for old people”, ignoring the fact that there was no engine/power/performance/suspension difference between his 2dr and the 4dr version he hated. He probably though the crappy B body he had when he was a kid was fast and handled great.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

        A four door G body Cutlass or Regal looked all sorts of wrong, that car really shined in two door form.

        I love the last of RWD Oldsmobile (88 etcetera), LeSabre and Park Ave coupes (B body iirc). I have no fantasy about them handling or driving better than their sedan versions, I just strongly prefer the coupe for (among other things) aesthetics and image.

        Its a huge, glorious car, and yet its personal, it was bought for pure enjoyment over practicality, as more than just a machine capable of getting from point a to b. Its a projection of style and personal taste more so than the sedan.

        I don’t think sedans are for old people, lol, I don’t consider 34 to be old, and I’m very happy with my sedan. If anything, a large RWD coupe would be for older empty-nest folks one could argue, but, I’d have loved one at 16 and I bet I’ll like them at 60 if I make it.

        • 0 avatar
          PrincipalDan

          G body Cutlass sedan…

          And the saddest thing is that there really wasn’t better rear leg room in the damn sedan compared to the coupe.

          Speaking from my experience as a teenager being stuck in the back seat of a G body Cutlass sedan.

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

            I’m not surprised, it looked compromised. Like they said “oh shit! We forgot the sedan! Oh well, call the interns and get them to draw us one up.”

            Peggy Hill seemed to like hers, although it got flat tires all the time.

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      True. And, from what I understand, the two and four-door models are exactly the same length.

      • 0 avatar
        RetroGrouch

        Coupe versions of sedans/wagons/5dr hatchbacks are vanity transportation for people who stopped paying attention in 1974.

        • 0 avatar
          Kyree S. Williams

          Cars in general are vanity transportation. Many people buy more car than they need, and plenty base their car-buying decisions on the external images a particular model and trim projects.

          So it’s a moot point.

        • 0 avatar
          burgersandbeer

          Two doors can be easier for tall people to get in and out of , assuming there is space to open the longer door. They can also move the seat further back without having the b pillar block the view to the side.

          Personally, I prefer four doors anyway.

          • 0 avatar
            Johnster

            I’ve known some handicapped people who preferred two-door automobiles. It was easier for them to pull their folded-up wheelchairs out from behind the front seat through the long front door of a two-door car, than to have to open up a second rear door.

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

          Kyree is correct, unless you drive a Toyota Yaris, you bought a car probably because you liked how it looked. If a Lincoln MKT was actually the same as a Range Rover except the styling as it looks now, would you buy it or the R-R? If Ssangyong Musso (google it, or the pre-facelift Actyong and older Rodius) was offerd, would you drive it (them)? Are you the former owner of a Pontiac Aztec? If you answered “no” to any of these, you’re no different than the guy who chose a coupe because he liked it more than the sedan.

          Its amazing how quickly people can be to judge someone who doesn’t make the same choices they would, or who attempts to stray away from “normal” by buying a coupe, preferring a manual trans, being gay, having friends outside of their race, or preferring to live in a rual area over the city. Its like they cannot fathom how someone could not come up with the same desires, prefrences and choices they do.

          “We are the Borg. You do not conform to established parameters. Please trade in your Toyobaru on a Camry now. Resistace is futile.”

          *note, the current Ssangyong line-up is actually not bad, but a few years ago it was like they were Mercedes models that were left parked at Chernobyl too long.

          • 0 avatar
            jvossman

            if anybody here really wants a 2 door. THere’s an 2016 S at palmetto VW in Miami FL. I test drove it. Nice.

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

            If I bought a VW, it would have to be a base Golf two door with a manual. I respect the GTi, I’d just go with a base model because if I wanted a hot hatch, I’d buy Bark’s ST lol

            I wish Ford offered the Fiesta 3 door here.

    • 0 avatar
      NeilM

      “a GTI with a DSG might be just the trick for an old guy track rat. I’d like the two door since I’d want a roll bar and having rear doors that open into an unusable rear seat seems kind of wrong.”

      Au contraire, mon frère!

      Functional rear doors are exactly what old track rats like us need, as I’m painfully reminded every time I load track wheels past the roll bar and into the back of my E36 M3 coupe.

    • 0 avatar
      baconator

      Volkswagen’s factory-built GTI Touring Car racer is a 4-door: http://media.vw.com/release/1158/

      That doesn’t really address your preference, I know, but I’d assume VW made an engineering-based decision to use the 4-door.

      FWIW, my wife’s current DD is a 2015 GTI. 4-door, because she’s a practical Canadian. It’s been trouble-free so far, and is one of those rare cars that are happier the harder they’re driven. If you’re looking for a track rat, though, the Fiesta ST is (IMHO) even better.

  • avatar
    heliotropic

    “We’ve reduced the complexity, which allows the customer to configure the GTI he or she wants online and go to the dealership and pick it up today”

    The fallacy of this is that increasingly people can’t configure the GTI they want, so they don’t buy any.

    • 0 avatar
      FormerFF

      http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/10/volkswagen-golf-gti-sales-figures-usa.html

      • 0 avatar
        heliotropic

        Maybe I’m wrong and people hate having options!

        • 0 avatar
          Ooshley

          The paradox of choice, and the tyranny of small decisions, simplifying the consumer experience has some merit. Those of us who live in smaller, farrer flung, markets have been dealing this for some time. Options are bundled in to packs, half of the contents you don’t really want, only the most popular variants are available (or it’s a loooong wait), and apart from a fringe winge people don’t care.

    • 0 avatar
      lon888

      We’ve reduced the complexity, which allows the customer to configure the GTI he or she wants online and go to the dealership and pick it up today,”

      That’s biggest bunch of B.S. I’ve heard from VW in a long time. It took me 6 weeks to get my 2012 GTI (and that was considered a short wait). While it had the manual gearbox and nav system I really wanted, I had to take my 3rd choice of color.

      Around OKC, the only colors the VW dealers stock are black or white. Trying to get a decent color like blue is a time-wasting endeavor. I know.

  • avatar
    cgjeep

    The two door last year was special order only. So I imagine they didn’t sell many because they didn’t have any to show people. The dealer would rather sell what they have on the lot so it becomes self perpetuating. They will offer to sell you a 4 door they have on the lot cheaper than they will order you a 2 door and you don’t have to wait 3 months. I bet the 2017 2 doors they made were to fill 2016 orders that they didn’t get to before the plant model year switch over.

    • 0 avatar
      amancuso

      The plant in Puebla will continue to make 2 Door Golf and GTI models. However they will not be offered for sale in the USA. Canada and the rest of the world will still continue to get them.

  • avatar
    Kenmore

    Oh, hell!

  • avatar
    tylanner

    I’ve climbed over enough front seats to know that a 2-door is wildly impractical. The 2-door coupe will live on in cars with backseats the size of a gallon of milk and access doesn’t really matter.

  • avatar
    Sigivald

    “It’s a sad day for Volkswagen Golf GTI purists and fanboys. The GTI — one of autodom’s quintessential hot hatches — will lose its two-door variant in the U.S. as the scandal-rocked automaker jettisons low-volume offerings.”

    Yup.

    If the purists and fanboys had bought more of them, it wouldn’t be so low-volume and maybe VW would keep it around.

    (As mentioned above, it’s not like the GTI itself has suffered any sales slump recently – either people don’t care enough to not buy one because they had to get four doors or *they never wanted a coupe in the first place*…)

    • 0 avatar
      FormerFF

      Honestly, if you’re like most of us and frequently park in a lot, the longer doors of a two door make it harder to get in and out even if you seldom use the back seat.

      In days of yore the two door was preferred for spirited driving because it typically was a little lighter and the chassis was more rigid. Nowadays I doubt the two doors are more rigid and the weight difference is probably not all that significant.

      If I were building a race car I’d still prefer the two door. The bigger door opening is useful when getting in an out of a roll cage equipped car.

  • avatar
    JustPassinThru

    I’d never buy a modern Volkswagen; and the emissions scandal shows why. Not that they were “polluters” but that they’re duplicitous and view both regulators and customers as PREY.

    That said…it’s a sad day when one of the few remaining two-door hatches goes away.

    Now, my situation isn’t typical; but a two-place vehicle does me just fine. I’ve had a number of econobox hatches; and in some of them I’ve just taken the rear seat out…a wagonesque cargo box. Seldom did I miss the seat. I’d bet some of those cars had less than ten minutes sitting on a back seat.

    And whether it’s factual or not, I’d always felt and believed that the rigid side-panels of the two-door provide chassis stiffness. I remember stories of flexing with early Mopar two-sliding-door minivans…why buy trouble and a shorter product life?

    So we’re all now a one-size-fits-all nation. Everyone gets four doors and seating for five. Truck, minivan, econobox, sedan…doesn’t matter. The desired demographic, a single woman with an executive job and two kids, is where every manufacture is chasing…with every model.

    Volkswagen, in this troubled time, needs to be differentiating itself, in an appealing way. Filling gaps in the market. And aping Subaru won’t do it.

    • 0 avatar
      whynot

      Your “desired demographic” (a single woman with an executive job and two kids) is not the targeted demographic at all, because that is a very niche market (how many single moms with two kids do you think are running around with executive jobs?)

      The desired demographic is 2 income families. Traditionally they went for midsize sedans, increasingly they are turning towards CUVs and even pickups.

      • 0 avatar
        Kenmore

        I know some single female execs. The only ones with kids had their lives blow-up prior to their completing the education that made them execs. Their kids were and still are a gruesome trial and enervation for them.

        Few single women not already affluent and connected could climb the professional ladder with young ‘uns at home. That makes it a very small demo and a stupid thing to say in this context of mass marketing.

      • 0 avatar
        hubcap

        @whynot

        Plato said…

        “Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.”

        Think about this in relation to not only the comment you replied to but the many that are offered on TTAC. It explains a lot.

      • 0 avatar
        JustPassinThru

        How many Volkswagens are there sold? They are a small portion of the market.

        Half of all marriages wind up in divorce. Half of all births are out of wedlock. And SIXTY PERCENT of college grads now are female.

        And any business that FAILS to discriminate IN FAVOR of women, hiring and promotion, faces legal costs and possibly destruction.

        And the single-mum demographic as desired explains a lot – as to why on so many of these four-door, five-place cars, there is not even an attempt at providing driver satisfaction. Electric power steering? Every unit I’ve tried was as numb as a no-mechanical-link David Brown tractor from the early 1970s. Zero road feel.

        These women want seating for their kids; convenience…and connotation of status. Actual driving experience is irrelevant.

        And all of that goes a long way to explaining the Subaru sales figures in university towns. Female “educated” “professionals” buying a trendy brand. And actual owners’ experience reports be [email protected]

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          JustPassinThru,
          Your misogyny has no place here. Pass through already and don’t come back.

        • 0 avatar
          JimZ

          “Half of all marriages wind up in divorce. Half of all births are out of wedlock. And SIXTY PERCENT of college grads now are female.”

          it’s not women’s fault you can’t get laid.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            No.

            Nor is it my fault you can’t stick to the matter you’re allegedly commenting on – statistics – and instead want to go right to irrelevant personal attacks.

        • 0 avatar
          Drzhivago138

          “And SIXTY PERCENT of college grads now are female.”

          What’s wrong with that, fundamentally?

          • 0 avatar
            la834

            > These women want seating for their kids; convenience…and
            > connotation of status. Actual driving experience is irrelevant.
            >
            > And all of that goes a long way to explaining the Subaru sales
            > figures in university towns. Female “educated” “professionals” buying a
            > trendy brand. And actual owners’ experience reports be [email protected]

            And men just throw their kids in the way-back unbelted like was done in 1968? Do you have any evidence that women don’t like good road feel? Why are college-grad women who have a paying job derided as “educated” “professionals”, quotemarks and all? They’re not real students or real professionals? Or do women being able to learn, work, and make money still seem threatening to you?

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            Some guys never get over girls whoopin’ on ’em in 2nd and 3rd grades when they’re still bigger.

            And if that weren’t bad enough young women go on to smoke guys like JPT in math & science.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            Good to see that the SJWs and Thought Police are on the job here.

            I guess it would be asking too much to have them stick to the issues at hand, which is that any car that deviates from the mommymobile mold is being phased out and that statistics and demographics explain that and suggest why.

            But yes, we have some posters on this thread who’ve established that they’re correct-thinking Leftists who don’t let contrary facts or ideas which don’t fit their mold, color their strident insistence.

            Yes, of course women are the greatest auto enthusiasts. And since they seem to buy a lot of Jeeps and Subarus, that just proves what good road cars those are.

            Maybe you guys would like to apply for auto-test writer positions at Mademoiselle or Modern Bride or Cosmopolitan. They’re sure to need PC editors and reviewers there.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            oh, f*** off with your “SJW” bulls**t.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            JPT, why you don’t like wimmens?

            Do dat mean wut I thinks it mean?

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            “‘And SIXTY PERCENT of college grads now are female.’

            What’s wrong with that, fundamentally?”

            This may be the single silliest comment yet posted on the internet. What was wrong with a majority of college grads being men? Because that didn’t end by accident.

          • 0 avatar
            JD23

            “And SIXTY PERCENT of college grads now are female.”

            What’s wrong with that, fundamentally?

            Be honest: You cannot deny that if men were overrepresented in some group with a positive connotation, such as a well-paid, respectable profession, it would unquestionably be considered a very bad thing that must be remedied. Actually, that is precisely the case with the tech industry.

        • 0 avatar
          tresmonos

          Just HOW in the F*CK do you validate your misogyny with electric steering gears?

          If you’re so hell bent on women hating, let’s all hate on your mother for not swallowing you.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            How is it you can’t even stick to the ISSUES, that is of car makers chasing one, non-enthusiast demographic to the exclusion of many others…

            …and instead revert to hysterical personal attacks because your ideologies are being examined and challenged?

        • 0 avatar
          ImAbeFroman

          These people don’t care about facts and value emotions over rational logic.

  • avatar
    otaku

    Definition of hypocrisy:

    People who bitch and moan about the lack of manual transmission availability in today’s automotive marketplace, but then turn around and shrug with indifference when car companies refuse to offer two-door coupes/three-door hatchbacks in their lineups.

    For the record, I would never buy anything built by VW, so this doesn’t directly affect me. Nevertheless, in my opinion the automotive landscape has already become such a bland, monotonous, CUV-filled wasteland, that any further reduction in choice for customers overall just saddens me.

    • 0 avatar
      kvndoom

      The new car market has become progressively less interesting for me each year since 2009. Even five years ago there were a dozen or so cars I’d have gladly bought brand new. Now I can’t even think of five.

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      Why does whether or not I care about door counts have anything to do with whether or not I care about manual transmission availability? Do you care about naturally aspirated engines being regulated out of existence?

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        they’re not being “regulated out of existence.” we just insist that a midsize sedan with less than 300 horsepower is “underpowered.”

      • 0 avatar
        otaku

        @ToddAtlasF1: The point I was aiming for with my post was that whenever an automaker makes ANY type of business decision that results in the further reduction of choices/variety available to customers (whether it involves transmissions, engines, body styles, luxury options, etc.), we’re all diminished to some extent.

        From my limited perspective it certainly seems like the B&B have been the most vocal about manual transmissions for quite a while, but I think the same argument could apply to other automotive features/characteristics (or lack thereof), as well.

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          I don’t admire the ‘have it your way’ store-bought customization method of car offerings. Just look at how Ford doesn’t support uncommon variants of the most popular consumer vehicle in the US after less than a decade because there are too many variations as a result of their option list. Or look at the short-sighted morons taking a bath on their ‘uniquely’ configured cars come trade in time. There’s a reason all cats are grey, and it’s because lease companies have no stomach for selling someone’s purple Altima at a loss. Offering wind up windows for cheap skates would cost everyone more than standardizing electric windows. It probably doesn’t hurt the cars with the best residual values that they come from the companies that offer their popular cars about four ways.

          Some options disappear because they’re played out. Do I lament the death of the vinyl top? White walls? Fake wire hubcaps? Real wires? Generators? Landau bars? Power brakes where the pedal is more sensitive than a clitoris? Station wagons where children’s legs are part of the crumple zones? Station wagons without third row seats? Swing out rear side windows that were so noisy that you’d only use them if someone threw up in the car?

          I care about manual transmissions because I care about manual transmissions, not because I care about diversity.

  • avatar
    TMA1

    This isn’t really news. I noticed the two door model had been dropped as soon as VW updated their website, and this was probably two months ago. The 2-door was a special order for ’16. I’m not sure what that means, since some dealers had them available. So I don’t think it means convincing a dealer to order one especially for you.

    Things are worse for ’17. Not only is the 2-door completely dead, but now the Autobahn trim has been reduced a “special order”. The Dynamic Chassis Control is now only available as standard equipment on the Autobahn trim, whereas you could get it on the SE for ’16.

    The lighting package is now standard, and all but the lowliest S model comes standard with the Performance Package, although it’s no longer differentiated.

    Based on my shopping experience with VW over this past summer, this should certainly streamline things for American buyers. No dealer showed any interest in putting me into a car with the options/packages/colors that I wanted. I was specifically asking about the possibility of a white 2-door SE manual w/PP/DCC/Lighting. Besides the impossibility of finding such a car, I had no trust in VW following its mishandling of Dieselgate and the pressure they put on their suppliers. I bought elsewhere.

    I still think about that GTI I wanted. I thought, maybe in a few years, when they’ve committed themselves to treating customers with respect. This news isn’t what I was thinking of.

    • 0 avatar
      ImAbeFroman

      Very, very true. I got VERY LUCKY this year and found a 2016 white GTI SE 2-door with PP/DSG/lighting/DCC/DAP. MSRP was $34,730. Being a 2-door, and listed for sale at an Infiniti dealership in the dead of winter up in Chicago, I picked it up for $18,500 – $3,000+ less than Blue Book. The dealer had no idea this car was a “unicorn”.
      My guess is VW produced, maybe, 10 of this spec.
      I plan to purchase many more cars in my lifetime however this one will always have a spot in my garage. It has all the modern tech and we will never get another 2-door GTI.

  • avatar
    Mackie

    I loved my 3-door Golf (previous gen.). Personally, I think coupes almost always look better than their 4/5-door counterparts. It’s a cleaner design overall and there’s more opportunity for distinctive styling cues. I really like the squared-off kink on the 3-doors rear side windows. A very handsome profile.

    I also prefer coupes just for the sake of being different—but different isn’t profitable enough, I guess.

    Sads…

  • avatar
    Jerome10

    Well, as a previous 2 door purchased-new GTI owner and someone (insanely after all this VW garbage?) still interested in possibly grabbing another one in the near future….

    I will not be buying one with this news.

    Sorry, a “sporty” car, even a sporty hatch based on a pedestrian European model really needs a 2 door option. And 4 doors only….no thanks.

    That should about do it for me and my VW ownership.

  • avatar
    jim brewer

    Heard rumors that two doors were considerably more expensive to insure than four doors. True?

    If so, that may explain things, and the change wouldn’t mean a blessed thing.

    • 0 avatar
      JustPassinThru

      Each car is rated differently. That said, many two-door cars are rated as sport or performance models; whereas, some four-door equivalent models were rated as “family” cars and given lower rates.

      That might make some twisted logic when aggregate statistics show a disproportionate number of two-door vehicles of a certain model or class involved in accidents. But what do they do when ALL of them are four-door models, especially in high-horsepower models like the Charger?

      Or, all two-door? I cannot imagine a Monte Carlo or Thunderbird being whacked by a performance-car penalty.

      Maybe an insurance person can elaborate on this.

      • 0 avatar
        Drzhivago138

        “I cannot imagine a Monte Carlo or Thunderbird being whacked by a performance-car penalty.”

        T-bird? Yes, possibly, but I agree on the Monte Carlo, seeing as it was no more than a two-door Lumina/Impala in its final years.

  • avatar
    tedward

    I love the gti, own one, and I like choice in the market. Hell, I really like every version of the golf. I still think this needed to happen. Vw sells a ridiculous number of variants of this car, and no one had been buying the two door for quite some time. Besides, go get an actual sports car if you want two door compromises! The gti isn’t that, it’s a short gt/family car.

    Fwiw the trim level changes make sense to me. Dcc is a bit silly when faced with just how comfortable the gti is already, the performance pack is wanted by everyone, and the lighting package is a must buy. My mother in law just bought one last week (she realky liked ours) and se, lighting + pp were her musts. She ended up with an autobahn because of inventory discounts, but I made sure she didn’t have dcc or driving assist on the car before I “approved”. So…shrug to the trim changes.

    • 0 avatar
      ImAbeFroman

      You made a bad decision for your mother-in-law. Drivers Assist and DCC are amazing. Then again, she’s your mother-in-law so maybe that was a good choice, because, insert mother-in-law joke.

  • avatar
    stanczyk

    >A four door G body Cutlass or Regal looked all sorts of wrong, that car really shined in two door form.> it’s correct statement.. and the same thing is going for Hot-hachtes > they are just “hot-ter” in 2-door option ..

    But this trend is going the wrong way > new generations of Ford Focus ST/RS or Opel Astra GTC or Renault Clio/Megane RS .. or Merc CLA-hatch .. etc .. are only in 4-door form configuration ..)

    I think they could afford engineering-costs of 2-door versions for Golf because , there will be few variants like GTI- and R -model .. and probably some WRC_editions .. (the same thing with Focus ST/RS ..)..

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      I agree that the G-bodies looked nicer as coupes, but a Malibu, Bonneville Model G, Regal, or Cutlass Supreme sedan looked fine too. Not awesome or desirable, but not “all sorts of wrong” either.

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