By on May 4, 2016

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If I had to think of a single car that would be least likely to demonstrate “road-rage” behavior with a man behind the wheel, I’d have to pick the Tesla Model S, at least until the Model X becomes widely available.

Note my qualifier: “with a man behind the wheel.” My thinking here is that male Tesla drivers tend to come from the most feminized segments of American society — coastal elites, eco-weenies, virtue-signalers, and other people who have opted out of the traditional male experience. (If you’re wondering what the “traditional male experience” might be, I refer you to everything I’ve ever written that doesn’t deal with Yacht Rock, classical music, Jacques Derrida, or iambic pentameter.)

If you’re shaking your head in contempt or disbelief right now, ask yourself the following question: You’ve been told you’ll be fighting someone to the death with your bare hands in the morning. What would you rather see that person pull up in — a Tesla Model S, or a beat-up F-250 with a utility body in place of the bed?

In California, however, there is another kind of Tesla buyer — somebody who will pay any price and bear any burden to get a California HOV lane sticker. Those people pride themselves on being able to drive past the common man in traffic, and they don’t like it when you demonstrate more privilege than they have.

How else to explain the above video, which is making the rounds of motorcycle forums right now? The fellow on the bike comes all the way from the end of a jam-packed on-ramp to pass the Tesla at the light, which then uses its Ludicrous Mode (or whatever) to catch back up to the bike and swerve/brake-check him.

There are two potential explanations for what’s going on here:

0. The Tesla guy just wanted the lane, which was contested by the wavering Elantra ahead, and his brake-check is an attempt to not hit the Elantra after misjudging the closing speed.

1. The Tesla guy was furious with the motorcycle for demonstrating more California privilege than he had. After all, motorcycles are faster in CA traffic than any HOV-licensed elite-mobile. That extra speed comes with the nontrivial risk of life and limb rather than a mere checkbook transaction, but in a state that (according to CNBC) has nearly 14,000 people worth over $50M, it’s hard for some people to understand that money can’t buy everything.

It’s also difficult to understand the interaction between the biker and the Tesla guy, who rolls down his window to — what? Apologize? Express further anger? The guy on the bike doesn’t want to find out, but I wonder if perhaps he doesn’t have a better idea of the Tesla driver’s harmlessness than we do from the video, because he rides between the Model S and the next traffic lane to express his anger a little bit more. That’s not something a sane person would do unless they have zero expectation that the Tesla is going to move over three feet and quad ’em.

Who’s in the wrong here? As usual, there’s plenty of blame to go around. I think a little more situational awareness on the rider’s part would have prevented a very near miss. As a rider myself, I can tell you that there is a lot of law that governs the interaction of cars and motorcycles, but the only truly binding laws in a situation like that are the laws of physics.

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252 Comments on “Guess Those Tesla Drivers Want All The Privileges For Themselves...”


  • avatar
    Driver8

    Tesla guy, who rolls down his window to — what?

    Very likely not brandish.

  • avatar
    Pch101

    Some people aren’t fond of lane splitting. This attitude is not brand-dependent.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      That would sort under “California privilege.” “Everyone should be equal in traffic. Except us more equals with HOV stickers…”

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Are you required to have a HOV sticker if, you know, your driving with 2+ people?

        • 0 avatar
          stuki

          No. Having a driver is the other means of blowing past the plebians whose work paid for the darned freeways. And, if you’ve donated enough to their campaigns, and/or created enough internships to make the progtards’ trustafarian offspring’s Ivy League applications look impressive, you get to pollute like crazy and wake up the entire city by flying over their heads in a helicopter. While opining about “noise pollution” made by boomboxes on the beach next to The Beach Club.

          To say something nice about Cali, bikes are the third way. And, by far the superior one for those with some modicum of control over their bodily functions, as this video should amply demonstrate…..

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      I’m not a fan of lane splitting. Asking the driver of a car to be aware of small vehicles in imaginary lanes that will randomly appear is asking too much. It takes enough out of people to see cars in actual lanes.

      Would I do what the Tesla driver did? Not a chance.

      • 0 avatar
        stuki

        All you have to do is drive straight down the road, and blink before changing lanes. It’s not really THAT cognitively demanding.

        If cagers’ awareness of their surroundings was a prerequisite for semi-safe lane splitting, the population of splitters would have dwindled to nothing well before WW2.

        • 0 avatar
          brn

          When I change lanes and hit a lane splitter, who are you going to blame? I checked lane I was moving into, but didn’t check the imaginary lane that had tiny vehicle moving four times the speed of traffic. There hasn’t been anything in that imaginary lane for years, why would there be one there now?

          It’s dangerous and I don’t want to live with the sorrow of having seriously hurt or killed someone.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            If you don’t see the biker, she/he will see your turn signal just fine and act accordingly. The problem is drivers start the lane change, check their blindspot and signal, all in one motion.

            I’ll signal, check my blindspot and mirrors, then start to move into the lane a few seconds in. As I start to move into the lane, I’ll watch the (overtaking) car behind me, jump into the same lane, using no signal at all, or only during the lane change.

            Of course they don’t see my turn signals (brightass LEDs!). In their minds, “why would ANYBODY signal *BEFORE* changing lanes???”

      • 0 avatar
        everybodyhatesscott

        I’d love to have it at every light.

    • 0 avatar
      slance66

      Bingo. That’s what I see. Bike guy continues to drive on the white line between lanes even after the merge. If I’m sitting in a line, I have zero tolerance for anyone cutting the line. Being on a bike doesn’t/shouldn’t give you that right.

      I used to live out there in the late 90s, and the line to merge on to 85 used to run to to 20-25 minutes. So you can imagine how they may feel. By the way, like those “paying any price”, I elected to use the HOV lane in my V6 Contour SE. Over the course of my final summer/fall in CA I got 2 tickets (a non moving violation with no points) and saved more hours than I can easily count. No brainer really.

  • avatar
    VoGo

    If I had to fight someone, I’d rather see them pull up in an F-250, because then I would know that:
    a) they are overcompensating, like the vast majority of people who buy big trucks for the image (I am excluding tradesmen who actually use them)
    b) their truck will net his heirs less money than a Tesla when they sell it to pay for his funeral that week.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      Whatever you do, don’t try your luck at oddsmaking……

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        There’s a reason I spend 2 hours/day, 6 days/week at the gym. Guys in F-250s with ‘traditional male values’ and ‘traditional male beer bellies don’t frighten me.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          I work five days a week so I can eat more food.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Did you get a job now!?

          • 0 avatar
            PRNDLOL

            chortle

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            F***ing food, every time I turn around I have to buy more of it.

          • 0 avatar
            cgjeep

            Its funny how marketing works. Yuengling is the oldest brewery in the US. When i went to school in Philadelphia (early 90s)Yuengling was the beer we would drink when we didn’t have money for Bush or Milwaukee’s Best. The sold it in returnable bottles. Was the cheapest beer you could get. Now it is a premium beer.

            Oh and real men don’t fight, you can get hurt doing that. We sucker punch and kick.

            oops was supposed to end up further down on the discussion.

          • 0 avatar
            operagost

            I’m guessing that when you went to school, they hadn’t reintroduced the lager. The lager is arguably better than every macrobrew and a lot of the micros (which don’t really bother with lagers much). The “premium beer” is a pilsner that, frankly, isn’t any better than Busch. And Yuengling has cost advantages by being distributed locally.

        • 0 avatar
          Jack Baruth

          What’s the reason? The vast majority of people I’ve known who spend that kind of time at the gym do it because that’s where they have sex with other men. It’s $THE_CURRENT_YEAR so hey, it’s cool.

          Also, have you ever been in a fight? Like an actual fight with another adult man where the loser was likely to go to the hospital?

          I mention this because your average hick from the sticks has spent a nontrivial portion of his life in actual fights.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Does Natty Lite and Jaeger make one typically feel fighty?

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Sigh. Just because someone doesn’t sign up for caveman values doesn’t mean he’s gay. Sorry to disappoint you, Jack, but I’m as boringly straight as they come. 52, married with 3 kids; never been with a dude and never wanted to.

            And yes, I’ve been in fights, although not since my 20’s and I did put a man in the hospital in a dispute over a woman’s affections.

            And FYI, I grew up 10 miles from you, so I am well acquainted with how the average hick from the sticks spends his time.

            You can be thin skinned at times. That won’t serve you well on these forums.

          • 0 avatar
            Jack Baruth

            I think you know as well as I do that a lot of the hypermasculine gym rats out there are gay. Both because they like dudes and because women generally don’t care about how much you can bench.

            Seriously, though — why all the gym time? Are you still competing in a sport that means a lot to you? The guys my age who still race bikes spend a lot more time lifting weights than those of us who don’t.

          • 0 avatar
            orenwolf

            “I think you know as well as I do that a lot of the hypermasculine gym rats out there are gay.”

            I thought cross-training and mixed-martial-arts were a fairly serious thing now, no? doesn’t that make up some amount of those folk?

            What about people who choose to train to *make up* for the so-called “feminization” of other aspects of their lives?

            That being said Jack, there’s a recent study (from Israel) that supports your assertion:

            http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/11/e005205.full

            ” [Men who Sleep with Men (MSM)] practised more [Intensive Anerobic Training (IAT)] than heterosexual men, and their interaction between IAT and sexual risk was multiplicative. The MSM community could benefit from a holistic approach to sexual health and its association with body image and IAT. The gym MSM culture demonstrates how internal dynamics and social norms are possible factors driving MSM to high-risk behaviour for HIV/STI.”

            Thank you for opening my eyes to a cultural reality I didn’t actually know existed. :)

          • 0 avatar
            Jack Baruth

            MMA is a big deal in white-trash circles but nowhere else. The Venn diagram of TTAC readers and MMA participants looks like a pair of binoculars viewed from the big end.

            CrossFit… well, I’m not sure what the fuck it is. It seems to be a particularly intense form of training for nothing in particular besides CrossFit. If I had to guess the appeal of it I’d say it’s a chance to exercise in the company of women. The people who practice it religiously report some pretty spectacular gains but the same is true of everything from yoga to the “Sweatin\'” series of Richard Simmons videos. It befuddles me. I’ve never spent a minute of my life exercising without a particular out-of-the-gym goal — even in my advanced middle age, the stuff I do all centers around endurance racing in cars without power steering, which is why I’m fat and ugly but just as fast on lap 135 as lap 13. I think CrossFit might be about looking good, but the chance for me to be handsome passed before I was born so I don’t worry about it.

            You’ve touched on a big thing: people becoming hypertrophic and/or hugely fit because they have zero control of their lives outside the gym. That’s something I saw a lot before my introversion led me to buy all my own gym equipment and put it in the house: henpecked and/or career-subjugated men showing up in Dockers and taking their aggression out on a weight pile before returning to their servitude.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I have never felt comfortable working out in front of other people. We have a gym at work, and I can’t even fathom going in there and being sweaty in front of coworkers and executives I’ll have a meeting with later.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Duh. Natty Lite holds the keys to victory.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I tasted that ONE time, and that was enough. I don’t need to save money on beer.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Why do I go to the gym so much?

            I gained 20 pounds in the fall (combination of ice cream, beer and Game of Thrones most evenings), and my clothes stopped fitting.

            I have found that as I have gotten older, the pounds stick more stubbornly, and I fear that if I can’t get in shape now, I never will, and it will be a slow decline to the grave.

            That’s why I go to the gym. Also, I’m trying to teach my 14 year old son good habits.

          • 0 avatar
            Jack Baruth

            Makes perfect sense.

            I don’t have enough cartilage left to exercise more than about 4.5 hours a week in total, with no more than three days a week involving weights, and even that’s pushing it. So you have my sincere envy.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Corey

            I had similar opinions years back when first exposed to it, but then I was a liquor drinker and I didn’t care much for beer at all. Today for me its mid-level beer (or better) or not drink at all.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I don’t mind a beer now and then, I don’t like the accompanying fullness which comes with it though. Often I stick to wine or (usually) liquors.

            It’s unfortunate that all these newer “mid-high” level nice beers are all so hoppy. I can’t stand anything resembling an IPA. Maybe I’m just destined not to be a beer drinker.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            IPA is an acquired taste, IMO. You might be best to stick with a quality lager or porter.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            If I go out to dinner with work and they’re only doing bottles of red wine (dislike), I’ll have some Stella or perhaps something German-weiss if they’ve got it. Nice restaurants around here have a poor beer selection since you’re supposed to get wine.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Now that your governor is done pretending to be a presidential candidate, maybe he can *craft* (get it?) some legislation requiring Ohio beers to be offered in Ohio establishments.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            We’ve had Yuengling a couple years now (PA, right?), it’s done very well here.

            All the Ohio local BS made in OTR is hoppy as all get out, and I’m not interested. (Mad Tree, etc.) And the local places which do have it want $7 or $8 a bottle, so eff that too.

          • 0 avatar
            Jack Baruth

            That’s the kind of legislation that launched Alanis Morissette’s musical career, you know.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Isn’t it ironic?

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            I’m can’t force you peeps to explore & wonder in the world of Belgian Trappist Ales.

            I can merely do my best to spread the word.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Tell me specifically what one, and I’ll look at the grocery next time I go. Kroger has a pretty good beer selection nowadays. Failing that, Jungle Jim’s has every beer imaginable.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Sharp Edge actually offers its own house Belgian brewed in the old country. I’m not a partaker of Belgians so I couldn’t tell you if the others on tap at their establishments are of the Trappist variety or not.

            http://sharpedgebeer.com/

            @Corey

            You need to experience Great Lakes, a fine Ohio brewery whose beers should be readily available at the local beer emporium.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            You oughtta know.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Great Lakes is around, indeed. I will see what varieties they’ve got. I think I had a special edition Great Lakes Salted Pretzel beer actually couple months ago.

            I really liked that, ha.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Try the variety pack. You get an amber lager (Eliot Ness), a porter (Edmund Fitz), a pale ale (Burning River), and a dortmunder (Dortmunder Gold). I just bought a case over the weekend. GL also offers a selection of seasonal and more limited type beers, so if your retailer allows you to mix and match six packs I might build my own variety pack (which they won’t let you do here, beer dist don’t sell six packs that I have ever seen).

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Yep Kroger has make your own 6 now too.

            PA liquor regs are laaaaame.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Achel Trappist Extra Brune
            Orval
            Chimay (Grand Reserve, Red Cap or anything)
            Westmalle Dubbel, Tripel, Extra (Tripel is best)
            Westvleteren – ANYTHING, but especially blonde, Westvleteren 8 and Westvleteren 12
            La Trappe – Blond, Dubbel, Witte Trapist, Tripel, and Quadrupel
            Trappistenbrouwerij de Kievit – Zundert Trappist

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I’m gonna look – perhaps on Friday. Haven’t heard of any of these before but I normally just don’t look at beer. I grab a bottle of Bombay or New Amsterdam and sometimes a wine, and to the register I go.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Chimay I have had, my socks were not blown off as expected (not sure on other ones).

            @corey

            PA is laaaaame, I’d like us to split off and become our own yinzer state like West Virginia did (maybe Trump will let us?).

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Philistine!

            j/k – If Chimay, go for Grand Reserve.

            Belgian Trappist-style ales are waaay more complex than even great craft beers.

            They’re more comparable to wines (and I detest wine of any kind).

          • 0 avatar
            orenwolf

            “The majority of the American population, and fittingly the majority of craft beer drinkers, is in the middle-class.
            The middle-class has enough disposable income to purchase a more expensive drink, but they are not above drinking beer. Those in the upper-class tend to consume wine.

            However, there are some exceptions. Lower- income consumers will occasionally splurge on the upgrade to a craft beer for themselves or a friend as a treat. Upper-class consumers will drink craft beer if they feel it is higher in quality than mass-produced beer.

            Individuals in all social classes like to be seen drinking craft beer. It sets them apart and it portrays them as being different, elevating them above others. Some feel that being seen drinking craft beer rather than mass- produced beer portrays them as older and wiser and more important.”

            https://anthonygarver.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/buyer-behavior-craft-beer-project.pdf

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Type of drink also depends on what you’re doing!

            Sports events really dictate drinking beer, otherwise you’ll have crap wine in some tacky Solo cup.

            The middle class likes to be seen drinking craft beer just like they enjoy being seen eating al fresco.

          • 0 avatar
            orenwolf

            “Sports events really dictate drinking beer, otherwise you’ll have crap wine in some tacky Solo cup.”

            Haha! You’ve literally described every family get-together I’ve ever had that involved a sports event. +100

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I decided to place more emphasis in glassware a little while ago. Because I don’t have kiddies, why the heck not? A nice, heavy glass feels so good in the hand as well.

            So now I drink out of crystal all the time.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @DW

            The next time I am at Sharp Edge, I will ask for this Chimay and reevaluate (its been awhile since I had one). I also am not a wine drinker, but appreciate the complexity of a fine beer.

          • 0 avatar
            Arminius

            Sorry for the slow response here but to the earlier question Crossfit was designed for the military and first responders to develop overall fitness, a balance between endurance and strength. It can be done for its own sake or as a way to augment other training. I’ve found it to be the most time effective way to stay in shape. So I can go skiing, biking, play frisbee with the kids or go run a 10k and not kill myself. Is it silly? Sure but no more so than spending time on any other fitness activity.

          • 0 avatar
            VenomV12

            Why aren’t these badass hicks of which you are not one, not the best fighters in the world then? Top MMA guys, not them, top boxers, not them. The notion that someone is some big hick that gets into brawls being the best fighter is just dumb, reeks of someone that watches more TV than lives in the real world. I remember in school there was a kid, not big, not burly, but both his parents were Tae Kwon Do instructors. He was always taught not to use his skills against other people. However there was one kid who was just a nasty bully and always messed with this kid because he wanted to prove he could beat the scrawny Tae Kwon Do kid. Well one day the kid had enough and gave him his wish and it was one of the most brutal ass kickings I have ever seen. No one messed with that scrawny white kid ever again.

            Also in high school we were at a party, had two guys there, one a big black dude who was a Golden Gloves boxer and another skinny Korean guy whose dad was also a martial arts instructor. They got into a fight, care to take a guess who won?

            One of the best fighters I have ever seen is my buddy who is a 5’8″ State Trooper, not a big guy, definitely not a hick but he can kick your ass up and down the street all day.

          • 0 avatar
            Drew8MR

            Jack, here’s the trick. The swimming pool. No stress, whatever your fitness level you benefit. When you’re out of shape you literally can’t swim long enough to hurt yourself. Can’t be done. You’re in the water, no one can see you and there are no conversations. I recommend going to open lap swim sometime after Masters, and just doing their board for the day (or 10% of it more likely). Skip the butterfly, rest on the backstroke. After 6 or 8 months you’ll be pounding out 2 miles in 50 minutes no sweat.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            jesus christ Jack, I hope you’re just trolling here. because if not… wow.

          • 0 avatar
            everybodyhatesscott

            MMA is a big deal in white-trash circles but nowhere else. The Venn diagram of TTAC readers and MMA participants looks like a pair of binoculars viewed from the big end.

            It’s nice to know I’m special.

          • 0 avatar
            orenwolf

            I’m a big fan of MMA as well, but that’s for two reasons most people don’t have:

            1) my fiancee is an ex-MMA fighter (Who I did not meet via MMA), and
            2) she changed my mind over several years from believing it was a brutal hick sport to believing it’s probably the best display of modern martial arts we have today. Far from perfect, especially given its’ roots, but a genuine sport in its’ own right.

            So, I don’t claim to be the norm, by any means :)

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            GLBC Edmund Fitz FTW!!

            Superb porter with chocolate/mocha notes! Fantastic!

            There’s also Atwater Vanilla Java Porter from Atwater Brewing in Detroit, which brought in all their brewing equipment from Germany, and has a lager with a label which looks near-as-dammit to an old Stroh’s one (famous Motown brewery)! Can’t find this one at Kroger, unfortunately.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            When I worked as a paramedic I knew tons of cops and firefighters that spent a large amount of time in the gym. None of them were gay.
            But hey, why let stereotypes get in the way of reality.
            I also ran across a lot of people that worked out just for the sake of working out. Not too many gays in that group but quite a few narcissistic skirt chasers. I guess you could easily be a narcissistic dude chaser too.

            My son is in MMA and I’m not a hick but there are quite a few that are. He flipped a bully onto the ground and knocked the wind out of him. School did nothing to him because in advance of the incident he told the principal of the school that he was in MMA and this guy was bullying him and he’d defend himself if he had to.

        • 0 avatar
          formula m

          Bragging you spend that much time at the gym usual means you are a loser. Spill a protein shake on your affliction shirt is all it takes to bring tears to your eyes.

        • 0 avatar
          White Shadow

          The gym isn’t going to help you become a better fighter or a bigger badass. Dude, you’re 52. The average 35-year-old hick, beer belly of not, is very likely to kick your ass in a street fight.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            if you’re worried about being a “better fighter” or a “bigger badass” and you’re older than 15, then if you’re not already in prison you’re soon to end up there. quit with the goddamn peacocking.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            I’m sure you’re right, White Shadow, which is why I don’t go around looking for trouble.

            JimZ,
            I’m just trying to take off the excess weight and get my kid into some good habits. I’m the last person you’d consider peacocking.

          • 0 avatar
            mtmmo

            100% agree. At that age he’d get thrown around like a rag doll.

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

      Oh yes, all pickup drivers are compensating. Only REAL men drive automatic Corollas, everyone else is just fronting because theyre really a pansy. Noone can simply drive a pickup because they want to. They gotta be lacking something in their pants, right? Sheesh.

      Youre excluding tradesmen, except he said the hypothetical truck had a service bed on the back. Never seen a 20 year old preppy college kid putting one of those on his shiny obnoxioisly jacked-up Ram.

      Nice try at knocking pickup drivers, better luck next time.

    • 0 avatar
      tooloud10

      Haven’t priced an F250 lately, eh?

  • avatar
    VoGo

    Jack,
    Excuse my ignorance, but can motorcycle riders legally drive between lanes like that?

    • 0 avatar
      redliner

      In california, yes. Notice that the biker passes a police officer in a marked cruiser early in the video.

      • 0 avatar
        Hank

        An note he slows down and moves away from it (the little he can) in a almost Pavlovian response.

        • 0 avatar
          redliner

          LOL, I noticed that too! Police have a hard job and provide an important service, but the best interaction with the police is one that never happens.

          In the wild, dangerous or venomous animals usually have attention getting patterns, colors or visual features. Police are the same way. Make contact at your peril.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Thanks, guys,
            My expectation is that this sort of thing is pretty common. People hate when someone gets ahead of them in traffic – even if legal.

            NOT to excuse the Tesla driver’s behavior, which is seriously dangerous. But I suspect that videos like this are very common. But this one is “making the rounds of motorcycle forums right now’ because it features a Tesla driver being a jerk.

            Because people who are rich, or try to be green, or want to avoid traffic are somehow above road rage? Silly.

    • 0 avatar
      ahhter

      It CA it’s basically not illegal (though not expressly legal from what I recall) so they allow it.

    • 0 avatar
      pdq

      It’s not mentioned in the California Vehicle Code, so technically it’s neither legal nor illegal.

      Last year an assemblyman from NorCal proposed a bill that would allow lane-splitting motorcyclists to exceed surrounding traffic speed by 15 mph when lane-splitting, but it would make it illegal if traffic was going 50 mph or more. That bill got sidetracked. Supposedly it will be brought up again this year.

      The unofficial advice as I’ve always understood it was to not exceed surrounding car/truck traffic by 10 mph when lane splitting. The motorcyclist in the video was violating that guideline left, right and center.

      My other half had a woman plow into him as he was trying to change lanes in bumper to bumper traffic that was going less than 5 mph. She was on a scooter lane-splitting at about 20 mph. Stupid and unsafe on her part. He was focused on the cars surrounding him rather than what’s whizzing up on him between the lanes in an unsafe manner so there’s blame on both sides.

      I’m so glad I got rid of my motorcycle. I never felt safe on the damn thing.

  • avatar
    redliner

    The tesla driver underestimated the acceleration ability of the motorcycle. The driver is probably used to blowing everybody else away and making his own gaps in traffic. He realized too late that he couldn’t accelerate fast enough to create the desired gap, and by that point he was driving way to fast for traffic conditions in his lane. So he did what all motorist do when confronted with the choice of crashing into a car or a motorcyclist. He chose the motorcyclist.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      This. Then, like most people (including yours truly all too often) do when immediately confronted with their own stupidity, he got angrily defensive and yelled at the motorcyclist.

      The motorcyclist’s a dick too, though. That’s an awful lot of unsafe riding just for the opportunity to yell at an unsafe driver.

      • 0 avatar
        ttacgreg

        That was a frightening video. Mr. Motorcycle would seem to have a secret death wish.

        Off topic about off topic. How this video triggered a discussion about gay men and beer brands is, well, I don’t comprehend it, and think I’d rather not.

        • 0 avatar
          orenwolf

          “Off topic about off topic. How this video triggered a discussion about gay men and beer brands is, well, I don’t comprehend it, and think I’d rather not.”

          That might be the easiest and most obvious part: Just look at the byline :D

        • 0 avatar
          stuki

          It’s not the cleverest way to ride a bike, but this kind of gridlock isn’t even remotely as dangerous as non riders make it seem. Noone is really moving that fast. Banging into mirrors, bumpers and whatnot, at 30mph, can be painful, and a bit startling, but is rarely debilitating.

          It’s much scarier on 45mph surface streets where traffic moves 55, and you have little choice but to keep up, yet no control over cars who don’t see you and turn left across intersections and right into you. Or come flying out of driveways yakking on the phone or fiddling with Junior’s child seat.

  • avatar
    rocketrodeo

    Plankton. Bikers can never forget they are plankton in the highway food chain.

    Active riding strategy would have predicted the Tesla driver’s behavior as soon as the rider saw the car was competing for lane position. And there were multiple chances to disengage after the brake check; rider should have been working his way left to the safer lanes immediately. There just isn’t anything to be gained by reacting to the Tesla.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      The biker 1st thought he could ride hard and blast way, leaving the ‘split\'”cager” cars eating his dust, but Teslaman didn’t give the biker the 1st chance to merge left. He kept him pinned in the right lane from the starting line, got fully ahead and pulling away.

      The biker no doubt saw there was nowhere else for the Tesla to go and should have backed off. Not likely the Tesla was going to rear end that slowing car.

      • 0 avatar
        rocketrodeo

        Watching videos like this often just cause me cognitive dissonance, because there is just no way I’d find myself in these situations to begin with, because plankton. Every discrete incident in this video is the result of bad choices by the rider. I think the rider probably expected the Hyundai to merge left when he did; he just wasn’t expecting the Tesla to still be even with him. I’d also note that there was swerve room in the breakdown lane on the right if he needed it. I don’t see that the rider ever braked, just rolled off a bit. That could have been fatal.

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          Going ballz to the wall, he never expected the Tesla to outrun/outgun him, let alone run him off the road. The plan was get out in front both cars, call the shots while merging into the left lane/lanes, as per usual.

          • 0 avatar
            pragmatic

            Ballz to the wall?

            The rider is in too high a gear (he’s in third by the time the Telsa passes him) and does not seem to be accelerating that hard at all. I don’t split lanes (illegal where I am) but I do pass across double yellow (legal here) and I think I would have been well past the merging Hyundai if I was riding his bike.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            They got caught up in the “race”, for lack of a better word. The biker wanted the Tesla’s lane, out in front of it, not behind it, but Teslaman wasn’t having it. Neither were paying attention to much slower traffic in all lanes, especially the black car ahead of them, crawling along at maybe half their speed.

  • avatar
    zerofoo

    I’ve seen quite a few F-250 drivers that are in, lets say…..poor cardiovascular shape.

    • 0 avatar
      Dan

      Yes, but there’s probably a Glock hiding under that panniculus.

      • 0 avatar
        Sigivald

        But that doesn’t help if it’s a bare-hands deathmatch.

        I mean, if we get to cheat, I’m cheating, too, because bare-hands deathmatches are a bad idea.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          My mom would say, “Pick up a weapon, stupid. Fighting with your hands is stupid!”

          She says it whenever there’s a Segal movie on TNT some random weekend afternoon.

          • 0 avatar
            hubcap

            “My mom would say, “Pick up a weapon, stupid. Fighting with your hands is stupid!”

            Force Recon marines, Navy SEALS/SWCC, Army Rangers and Special Forces and Air Force PJs think like this too.

          • 0 avatar
            05lgt

            The usual winner in real unarmed combat is the guy who’s armed friend shows up first. Unarmed combat is equipment failure. I like the Clint quote from Unforgiven: …shoulda armed himself.

      • 0 avatar
        heavy handle

        Glock? An F250 driver would own a real American gun that will jam. No worries.

        • 0 avatar
          Dan

          I used to think that too, back when I was young and stupid enough to give any credit to the gun counter chatter. I’d owned at least one of pretty much every common pistol there was before I bought my first 1911 and I only bought that one because I stole it out of the used case.

          Today I’ve only got one pistol that isn’t a 1911 if you don’t count the rimfire toys.

          I’d worry.

    • 0 avatar
      ckb

      2 problems I have with the F-250 example:

      As Jack has said many times, pickups haven’t been indicative of the “Traditional male experience” for quite some time. I agree with his many arguments that most pickup owners are convinced they need one to “haul” groceries and maybe move a sofa every 2 years.

      Also the “traditional male experience” (TME) as demonstrated by the F250 utility bed has been an outlier since WW2 ended. A better way to put the deathmatch question, accurately representing the TME for the past 100 years or so, would be: would you want them to pull up in a Tesla or a Camry with big mac wrappers falling out of the footwell?

      • 0 avatar
        VenomV12

        I was just in the AT&T store last week. I’m sitting there waiting to be helped and I look over at this guy at one of the tables and he has a holster with a handgun in it. This was the first time I had seen this and it was kind of shocking. I took a photo of him while I was waiting to send to people. Then it dawned on me, the same way I took a photo, I could have just as easily shot him if I was a criminal and he would be the first one to shoot since I knew he had a gun for sure. He would never have known what hit him with his head buried in a screen.

        When I saw him I didn’t think tough guy, I thought pussy to be honest. We are in a well off, very safe area, not sure what he was trying to prove. I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt as he was walking out, (maybe he was in law enforcement, security etc) to his pickup truck and the back of his shirt said he was in construction. So apparently this badass’s job and life are in so much danger that he needs to open carry a gun, but my buddy who owns liquor stores in the inner city and deposits thousands of dollars in cash a day to the bank is perfectly fine carrying his gun concealed.

        • 0 avatar
          Jack Baruth

          My guess is he’s doing it for political purposes, not necessarily for self-defense or badass points.

          And you’re making the assumption that he can’t tell the difference between a phone and a gun.

          About two days a week I go to my local Tim Horton’s and stand behind the motorcycle cops as we order our breakfast. The hell with shooting them; I could cut one of their throats or garrote them before the rest of them cleared leather.

          Yet you don’t see anybody suggesting that we should disarm cops in this country.

          Speaking personally, I’m out of the tough guy business, if I was ever in it. I’m 44 years old and there are only so many assault convictions you can have before they don’t let you in an office.

        • 0 avatar
          tedward

          Not sure where you live but in some places open carry and concealed permits are different things. I know a couple people who open carry because it would be illegal to do otherwise.

          I take a pretty dim view of the practice myself if I think a gun is basically being used as a fashion accessory. I grew up with and currently have guns and I see them as nothing but a liability when it comes to personal safety, carried on person or in the home. That is, if you are a normal person who has guests and children in your home, and who isn’t predicting serious near term risk. For most people, it’s a hobby that’s paid for in risk and money, no different from my e30.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            tedward wins the gun part of this thread. Much wisdom in this comment.

            We like our guns. Many of us see them as essential to other freedoms. And that’s fine. But we have to be honest with ourselves about the level of risk and injury they bring with them.

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            Ohio, for example, permits open-carry in its Constitution. That said, I wouldn’t want to press the issue if an LEO happened to be within sight of me.

  • avatar
    kwong

    My guess is that the Tesla driver didn’t like the motorcyclist lane-splitting (legal in California) and thought he should be the enforcer by driving like an idiot. I see it happen a lot in southern California and it’s quite irritating because at worst it’ll cause an accident and injuries, and at best, it causes a bottleneck when everyone else behind and adjacent likely will brake harder to compensate.

    Perhaps if the motorcycle rider had more time on his hands, he could have noted the Tesla’s license plate number and wait for the CHP that he passed on the on-ramp and turn over his video footage with the dude’s license plate number.

  • avatar
    Xeranar

    Woo! In before the petty ‘treehugger’ bashing started.

    I saw years ago in just odd readings that a study showed that people felt lane splitting was undemocratic, it instilled a negative attitude towards communal behavior. Since california is the only state where it’s legal his behavior is allowed but not exactly welcomed.

    As for the Tesla, why would I be inclined to think because they may want to save the environment they’re also interested in saving their fellow man? Only in the US is saving the environment intrinsically associated with the more communitarian party. Most of western Europe’s even center-right parties aren’t polluting as a political move like our right is…

    • 0 avatar
      fvfvsix

      Sooo – he decides to nearly run over his fellow man to “save” him?

      • 0 avatar
        Xeranar

        Fxfvsix – Go ahead and re-read the comment and you’ll find I pointed out that environmentalists (if we can assume a tesla buyer is one) is naturally inclined to love other people.

        Reading comprehension is your friend.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      Sounds more like the article on air rage that’s triggered when people walk through first class seating to get to their seats with the proletariat. In this case, it appears the Tesla driver has rage issues.

  • avatar
    Russycle

    The rider made the first mistake…the Tesla got a green light as the bike was pulling next to him, the smart move was to let the Tesla, who probably didn’t see the bike coming up behind him, go first. After that, plenty of stupid to go around…the Tesla’s brake-check, the biker’s failure to disengage. There’s no winner in a bike-v-car game of chicken, but one party tends to lose a lot more than the other.

    Just curious, when you’re lane splitting an onramp, what’s the protocol for when the bike gets to go? I used to ride in LA, but don’t recall running into that situation.

    • 0 avatar
      Nick 2012

      Did the Tesla really ‘brake check’? Or was he just screwing around, didn’t have his eyes up, and saw a rapidly approaching Elantra filling his windshield and needed to take evasive action? On the Tesla’s second brake event, he clearly isn’t trying to brake-check the biker.

      • 0 avatar
        Russycle

        Rewatched the video and I agree, probably not a brake check. Still, screwing around next to a guy on a bike in heavy traffic isn’t smart, even if the rider is a jerk.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Didn’t watch the video..but I wonder: is there some sort of ramp metering in place where you might have to stop, then punch it on a green light, or was the traffic signal at the top accomplishing the same thing?

      (Detroit had such a system in the ’80s and ’90s, IIRC.)

  • avatar
    ajla

    Well, I expect most drivers of beat up trucks to be over 55 and be one more Hostess pie from Type2 diabetes while the Tesla guy will probably at least be in shape.

    The Tesla guy will also likely be rich, which means he has no problem curb-stomping me to get to his dinner reservation while the Ford fellow might have some trepidations about killing me.

    I’d be most afraid to see a minivan because that probably means he has a family to lose.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Explanation 0 is correct, plus…

    The Tesla driver didn’t expect to see a bike on his rear quarter.

    The biker probably couldn’t hear the Tesla approaching.

    The Tesla’s too-rapid acceleration put him at risk of hitting the Elantra.

    I don’t think there was malice aforethought by anyone, but definitely misjudgment. I actually think the “brake check” was accidental – a panic move by the Tesla when he noticed the bike on his bumper. He guns it when he realizes what he’s done.

    By the way, here in the EV wasteland of western PA, seeing a 1st-gen Prius, a Leaf, and a Tesla together simply Doesn’t Happen.

    • 0 avatar
      orenwolf

      I think that’s exactly right. I’ve been in similar situations more than once on the 101 in SFBA. There’s no lane-splitting where I’m from, so the bikes down there always tend to surprise me.

      (as an aside, I don’t think lanesplitting per-se is such a bad idea if 1) everyone knows about it and therefore spaces properly, and 2) it’s universal, so that you don’t have people who fail #1)

      Jack: This article would have been great even without the first three paragraphs. You don’t *have* to stick to your stereotypical memes just to write good copy, sir. :)

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Washington here. Last night I was sitting at a red light in our new C-Max Energi with a Model S in front of me, a Leaf behind me, and a brand-new Model X approaching from across the intersection.

    • 0 avatar
      ttacgreg

      Yeah, I noticed that too. The vehicle demographics are markedly different here in the Colorado snow belt. Pretty much 4wd pickup trucks & CUVs are the standard.

  • avatar
    wadehnelson

    Honestly I think the Tesla owner wanted to show off HIS vehicle’s acceleration and then got himself into trouble.

    • 0 avatar
      rpn453

      That’s the way I viewed it. He saw a chance for a little race that he was sure he’d win, but panicked as he approached the Hyundai. Had he been confident enough to stay on it while making the lane change, he wouldn’t have disturbed the motorcyclist. Still would have been cutting it close though.

      The reasonable thing to do would have been to back off and stay behind the Hyundai, but he wasn’t willing to give up the “win” at that point. There isn’t much time for a change of strategy when you can accelerate like that.

      That’s why I don’t even want a fast car. I don’t need all my unhinged incidents to occur at even higher speeds.

  • avatar
    Chan

    The Tesla swerved to avoid the early-merge idiot suddenly slowing down in front of him. One could argue that it was an aggressive lane change to maintain his own speed, but whatever. I don’t see any display of privilege here, but a lack of defensive driving skills on both parties.

    Rider should have disengaged and should not have made an acceleration contest out of this, especially one against a car. He left himself open to the heavier car knocking him off the road, and he was lucky to escape.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      I’ve heard of the insane (ludicrous?!) acceleration of a Model S from a standing start, but assuming a full charge, is a full-“throttle” charge from, say, 30mph-70mph as instantaneous, or do the motors take an instant to spool up, first?

  • avatar
    fvfvsix

    Honestly, it looks like the Tesla guy rolled down his window to apologize. I can’t explain why he was driving like a dick on the on-ramp like that, though. Here in AZ, the Tesla drivers are almost as slow as the Vette drivers, as most of them are middle-aged upper managers who are probably slaving away for a paycheck on 2 or 3 conference calls while in their car anyway.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    It really does look like he was just accellerating ‘normally’ (for a tesla) then swerved to avoid the Huyndai, and then probably rolled down the window to say sorry afterwards, or possibly to berate the biker for taking up his blindzone. If he just wanted to go past the bike I think he could have done it sooner than he did.

  • avatar
    Kenmore

    What kind of bike? That’s probably just as significant as the fact that there’s a Tesla involved, no?

  • avatar
    Dingleberrypiez_Returns

    That’s a metering light entering the freeway. The bike pulled up next to the Tesla and essentially took the Tesla’s turn on the metering light (when it turns green, one car gets to go). Tesla guy was annoyed, and knowing his car is super fast basically wanted to smoke the motorcycle.

    I don’t know the rule for lane-splitting motorcycles at metering lights, but if I were the Tesla guy I would also be annoyed at someone trying to take my turn (regardless of my thoughts on lanesplitting). Look at how long the line for the metering lights is, it’s clearly rush hour traffic. Also, as a California driver, I have absolutely no issue with lane splitting (done safely), and I think most other drivers from around here feel the same way.

    Also- nice bit of trolling on the coastal-elite-eco-weenie bit. I’m sure that’ll garner a few extra hits and comments. TTAC business as usual. At least from Jack it’s pretty entertaining.

    • 0 avatar
      Chan

      “Coastal elite” is fairly factual…Silicon Valley + Tesla Model S
      “Eco-weenie” is more subjective, and I would wager that you probably won’t find one fitting anyone’s definition, behind the wheel of an $80,000 car.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      Not sure if there’s an official law, but unless the car at the light is a police officer, who cares? Don’t take up a light slot by parking in front of cars when on a bike…. Critical Mass bicycle riders used to do that, and very effectively demonstrated how ridiculous and counterproductive the “you are subject to the same laws as cars” dimbulb mantra really is. When traffic is overcrowded, parallelize as best you can. Heck, if you’ve got the chops to safely lanesplit Herbie on two wheels, do that as well.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      Green lights are staggered for a reason, but bikers splitting lanes shouldn’t have to stop for the meter, and they’re not really in a lane. If there’s room there’s an onramp carpool (and bike) lane that doesn’t stop for the meter. That doesn’t mean bikers shouldn’t slow down to 10 or 15 mph to squeeze between stopped, stopping cars. The highway patrol car, 4 or 5 cars back should tell you he doesn’t have to stop.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      That answered my question above.

  • avatar
    Feds

    Alternate interpretation:

    Motorcycle guy didn’t know Tesla guy was “racing” him because he can’t hear the Tesla accelerate. Bike guy has target lock on the Elantra/open lane (he’s certainly not looking for the Tesla, as his head/camera doesn’t turn).

    Tesla guy is absolutely drag racing off the light. Because why not. He probably figures he can block the biker with the Elantra (because he’s read MAXIMUM STREET SPEED). He’s looking at the biker and not the lane ahead.

    Elantra makes a silly lane change and stops.

    It’s ~1.5 seconds from the Elantra switching lanes to the Tesla coming over. If the Tesla guy is not paying enough attention forward, he’s just trying to avoid a crash when he finally sees the Elantra. He doesn’t brake until he’s halfway over and figures he’s not going to avoid the Elantra. In that moment, he’s choosing self preservation over Biker preservation.

    I see a few lapses in judgement from each of the 3 drivers. But I don’t any of the initial interaction was malicious. This is a clear example of why Bikers need to think of themselves as rebel pilots attacking the death star, and every other vehicle on the road as a TIE fighter, intent on taking them out. Bike guy sees Tesla and Elantra and slows down/brakes/swerves, there is no issue.

  • avatar
    FOG

    VoGo, If you look at the video the motorcyce passes a police car. I would assume that it is legal. I know in Michigan it used to be illegal, but it also was state law to wear a helmet.

  • avatar
    S2k Chris

    Anyone who has ever merged at the merge point, rather than 3/4 of a mile back where the backup in the “merge into” lane has started, is experienced with this phenomenon. Basically, people CAN’T STAND the thought of someone else cutting in front of them, even if the someone else has every right to do so. I’ve seen all demographics of people try to block cars in legally open lanes, trying to blame one group or another is futile and stupid.

    • 0 avatar
      FOG

      Chris, the term “merge” for most drivers means, “You can get in right behind me.” Invariably the back ups at merge points are caused by the people who wait until the last minute to move over AND people who refuse to let some one in ahead of them. I don’t see people driving in lanes legally while helping self centered idiots merge as futile or stupid. It works very well.

      I saw a situation Ohio that was awesome. On the Turnpike the sign read, “Lane ends in 3 miles, merge now.” This was repeated the next mile. At the last mile the police ticketed drivers for not obeying the first two signs. Guess what, we didn’t have a traffic slow down.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        Excellent. More merging and low speed tickets across Ohio. I am in favor of this state getting its sh!t together with regard to interstate driving.

      • 0 avatar
        johnc99

        At many of the on ramps on that road many of the selfish drivers pull out from the main lanes into the on-ramp to get maybe one or two cars ahead.

        • 0 avatar
          sgeffe

          Ohio could start by judiciously enforcing lane-discipline laws, and even sitting alongside an onramp with laser guns and nailing people who are not within the general vicinity of the speed limit at the bottom! It’d be like shooting fish in a barrel! (The only laws the sheeple of Northwest Ohio follow are the underposted numbers on a sign; if ODOT posted a sign saying “Jump Off This Bridge,” the suicide rate would skyrocket!)

          I’ve done that “pass-on-the-onramp” trick on the Turnpike, too, in order to get around a rolling roadblock of semis in all the lanes; mind you, the ramp was traffic-free, and 1/4-mile long.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    The driver of the Elantra is merging like people in Cincinnati merge onto the interstate…

    by hitting his G-D brakes [in order to hunt and peck a spot]. God that makes me mad.

    This looks accidental to me, caused by the Elantra’s sudden slow down/stop, and the Tesla’s path of least resistance was moving into the bike’s lane.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Also, I’m with the Tesla driver not rolling down his window for the second encounter – because that can only escalate the situation.

  • avatar
    eamiller

    First brake isn’t a brake check, it’s the forward collision system activating (brake jerk). The Tesla probably barely registered the bike until he went by. The brake lights were off before the bike even passed him.

  • avatar
    stryker1

    I used to get annoyed at riders who split lanes in traffic, but I just don’t care anymore. Their existence doesn’t mean I’m getting anywhere faster or slower. Mostly I just wish them good luck, or hope that I don’t have to watch them get killed while doing something risky on the road ahead of me.

    Please don’t kill yourself on my car, other than that, I don’t care.

  • avatar
    doublechili

    Lane-splitting being legal is crazy. That is all.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      Pretending it makes sense for vehicles the width of two football fields to behave exactly the same as those the width of a needle, is what is crazy.

      As is dragging governments and laws into things that are naturally done successfully everywhere else on planet earth, except for in our particular Lawyertopia.

      Why the heck would one not want to move past half a million gridlocked cars when one can fit? What kind of retrograde, at best half literate ape, wouldn’t figure out that is an improvement?

      Lane splitting bans makes as much sense as banning everyone from taking the stairs, just because some people are too fat, and are stuck waiting in line for the elevator. After all, it can be “dangerous” to take the stairs, in case one falls down and stuff….. So Massa Gommiment must keep the plantation safe, by banning such scary things….

      • 0 avatar
        doublechili

        “Why the heck would one not want to move past half a million gridlocked cars when one can fit? What kind of retrograde, at best half literate ape, wouldn’t figure out that is an improvement?”

        This kind, that’s who. :)

        Skip to the end for the main point, but in the meanwhile of course motorcyclists would want to move past gridlocked cars. Anyone would. I’d like to get onto the shoulder and drive there in my car (okay, not really, figuring I’d pick up a nail or something). The question is whether and to what extent the lane rules are bent to accommodate that desire. So far it’s just CA that allows it, and they’re contemplating formal regulations, so it’s not like you have the strong position here. And you kinda exaggerated the width difference with “two football fields” and “a needle”. For most cars it’s maybe 1/2 including the “halo” some of us drivers allow for motorcycles (and I’ve never seen more than 2 motorcycles riding abreast in a lane).

        Anyway, most drivers are bad enough, and enough crazy stuff happens out there on the roads, without making an exception that compromises lane integrity (just made that term up, but it captures the idea) and introduces an unnecessary element of uncertainty in traffic flow merely for the convenience of one small portion of the driving (riding) public.

        And you and others talk about gridlock situations, but in CA they’re contemplating regulations that would limit lane-splitting to under 30mph. So maybe I’ll give you gridlock, but in moving traffic? Yeah, crazy.

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          Perhaps a good compromise would be to allow lane splitting, but only for organ donors. Same with helmet laws.

          Too many people Americans die each year for lack of a working kidney, liver, heart or lungs.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            I think we need a law where all that guys that ride without helmets are required to scrape their no helmet comrades off the road when there is an accident.

        • 0 avatar
          stuki

          California, and the entire rest of the world outside North America, allows lane splitting. I once lane split a moped in East Germany. What’s the fascination with being even more totalitarian about things, than that place was? I bet North Koreans lane split too. Venezuelans did with gusto, at least before Chavez inflated away their gas money.

          Lane splitting is also not a particularly dangerous part of a motorcycle ride. On a divided freeway, all cars moves in the same direction, and in a fairly orderly fashion. And in Cali style dense traffic, they are almost always next to another car. The scary stuff happens not when you split the canyon between two cars; since very, very few cars will get close enough to the car next to them to not fit a bike through. Worst case, you tap their mirror with your fairing or hand guards. Instead, accidents happen when bikers half-split-half-sverve around staggered cars. As that is when the blinkers-what-huh-whats-that? crowd may suddenly decide to change lanes unannounced.

          As speeds increase, so does the dangers. While at the same time, the time savings and other reasons to split decrease. So, inevitably, the two curves cross at some speed. Above which splitting is no longer a good thing. 30mph is probably a bit low, but 40-55 seems to be a pretty common speed above which most riders choose to fall in line instead.

          • 0 avatar
            doublechili

            If lane-splitting even in the 40-55mph range is safe, then definitely outlaw lane-splitting and narrow the lanes. Because if it’s safe for vehicles to be traveling that close to each other at speed, they can narrow the lanes and therefore squeeze an extra lane in and really reduce traffic congestion.

            But seriously, last summer I was driving in a tunnel at maybe 65mph and two motorcycles lane-split between me and the guy next to me – had to be going 95 at least. Idiots.

    • 0 avatar
      bunkie

      It does carry a certain amount of risk, but then again, being part of stop and go (and not lane-splitting) on a bike is also a risk. Which risk is greater? I’m not sure.

      • 0 avatar
        Russycle

        Exactly. And since it’s hard to say which is riskier, why not do the behavior that saves you hours of sitting in traffic? I used to do a half-hour lane splitting commute on the San Diego freeway. It’s exhausting, as you need to be hyper-vigilant, but not really dangerous at low speeds. Never did it above 30 mph.

      • 0 avatar
        rocketrodeo

        Part of the justification for lane sharing is precisely because a rider is at much more risk in stop and go traffic than he is filtering. If I wasn’t lazy I’d dig up the study, but it’s out there.

  • avatar
    Steve Lynch

    I have not seen any bad behavior from Tesla drivers during my thousands of miles on Southern California freeways.

    As for their green brethren driving Prius, they continue to be the worst drivers on the road today and are absolutely Number One in left lane blocking.

    • 0 avatar
      orenwolf

      huge +1 to that, but then, especially in the SFBA, priuses (prii?) are *everywhere* on the highways.

      I drove more than a few Zipcar priuses in SF, and found that even without yourself being a dick, it was just assumed you were going to be a terrible driver, and everyone aggressively attempted to avoid or outrun you. Hilarious. :)

      Sort of how up here it’s just assumed that if you’re a BMW owner you’re going to cut everyone off in the onramp/offramp or otherwise avoid the rules of common decency whenever it suits you.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      When I’m driving a truck, SUV or van, I’m a bit sympathetic to left lane blockers in small cars, as taller vehicles do annoyingly cut of their forward vision. Prius drives are probably extra aware of this, since they are all hypermiling and watching their mpg meter, which really requires a long forward view.

      On a bike, even in idioticracies that officially “ban” “lane splitting”, I get around vehicles taller than me to restore sight lines ASAP.

      The proper thing to do when merging into the left lane in a tall vehicle, is to merge either right behind, or right in front of, another vehicle in the same height class. Not in front of Prius’, Miatas or bikes.

    • 0 avatar
      Carlson Fan

      The first time I was in California I was amazed how people in the left lane would speed up & switch lanes to let you by as you approached. In MN they just take their dear sweet time in the left lane slowly inching past the person they’ll pass in the next 5-10 minutes.

      As far as Prius drivers, I’ve never noticed them to be left lane blockers or any other type of annoyance on the road. They’re fine here in MN.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        Two extremes in NW Ohio: greenie-weenie, look-at-me lots, but there are occasional Prius drivers who will drive faster than traffic, swerve around, etc.

        Several years back, a Gen III Prius took my doors into his slipstream on a drive up I-75 between Detroit and Toledo. My cruise was locked at 83mph or so, and that car passed me about as fast as I’ve ever been!

  • avatar
    heavy handle

    Q: “Who’s in the wrong here?”
    A: The person driving the Hyundai.

    That was easy. And obvious.

    PS: the biker should have grabbed a lane once he got into moving traffic. You shouldn’t lane-split in a merging lane, that’s just dumb.

    All that BS about privilege, elites, pride, 21st century manliness, etc, has more to do with the writer than with the video. Which is fine, I come here to be entertained. Sometimes the stories work, sometimes they fall flat.

    • 0 avatar
      Jimal

      That is my thought too. The Tesla driver accelerated in what was a clear lane, before the Hyundai moved over and stopped. That gave the Tesla driver two choices; pile into the back of the Hyundai or do a quick lane toss. Which begs the question, why was the bike trying to pass on the right?

      • 0 avatar
        Jack Baruth

        He had a third choice: slow down.

        The Tesla is more than capable enough of stopping well short of that Elantra.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          You know well that most people have no idea what their brakes can do. He clearly didn’t think that was an option.

        • 0 avatar
          heavy handle

          A “professional driver on a closed course” could stop in time. A regular driver on a greasy on-ramp can’t. Even if he could stop, he would get rear-ended immediately.

          • 0 avatar
            Jack Baruth

            He doesn’t even need to stop, though — he just needs to match the Elantra’s speed, which means shedding 20-30mph at most.

            And since he hauled ass off the line, chances are there’s nobody behind him.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          “And since he hauled ass off the line, chances are there’s nobody behind him.”

          I still believe this points more to obliviousness than any malice.

          I think your brain works so fast that you forget us Normies don’t operate with a million different nuances flying through our mind at all times.

        • 0 avatar
          Jimal

          The motorcyclist could have slowed down as well, or not attempted to pass on the right.

          And if with a quick glance the Tesla driver didn’t see the motorcycle, which may or may not have been in his blindspot. I get far more mistake out of this than malice.

          • 0 avatar
            stuki

            Watching the video, I would say the motorcycle should have given the car the right-of-way off the line, and paid more attention to him. LA drivers are notorious for drag racing from stoplights just to burn off fuel/battery and frustration, just so they can wear out their brakes 3 seconds later. When you “sneak up” on them on a bike, it’s generally safest to give them a wide berth. And if not, absolutely dust them beyond all reasonable ability of any four wheeler to keep up :) Hayabusa WOT style….

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            Even with a lower beltline than many others, the B-pillar in my Accord is enough to hide a bike, Miata, smart, etc.!

  • avatar
    bikephil

    Simple explanation. The Tesla driver is obviously another liberal, tree hugger, I’m better than you because I drive an overpriced golf cart driver. The motorcyclist should have stuck his boot into the door of the Tesla driver and then spit in his face when challenged.

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    Lane splitting should be illegal and helmets mandatory. The guy in the Tesla deserves to be thrown into jail. Lucky for him, this time he didn’t mess with the wrong person. Next time he may not be so lucky.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      Man, why the hate? Noone’s hurt. Teslaboy got to show off his car, and the biker got a reminder to be more careful. None of them ever got up to enough speed to make things REALLY dangerous. Just another day in LA. At least the roads are dry here. Imagine guys behaving like that on wet and slippery roads…..

  • avatar
    z9

    The way I interpret the video is that the Tesla driver had planned to pass the Elantra on the right long before the Elantra stopped suddenly, but the Tesla didn’t see the motorcycle until the last second, at which point he was annoyed. I think the idea that the Tesla driver was accelerating out of malice because the motorcyclist took his turn at the meter is probably wrong. The Tesla guy took his turn the way he should have. The motorcyclist had no effect on that.

    This video shows the exact, largely unconscious, behavior of people who like to drive like the Tesla guy, who pass people on the left or right just to have the thrill of passing cars going much more slowly on the freeway. Come on, admit it, we all love that feeling once in a while. The thing is, lane-splitting by motorcyclists adds a layer of unpredictability to people driving cars like jerks. This either means lane splitting is a good idea or a bad idea. I’m not sure which. It’s more of an issue on super-wide freeways like the 5 in Orange County where there is a lot of space to re-enact your favorite chase scene. But as a regular driver on 85 I have to say there is something creepy and unsafe about that road, which was filled to capacity the moment it opened 22 years ago. It is often the site of a toxic combination of the behavior of the Elantra, the Tesla, and the motorcycle. I will avoid the stereotypes associated with each vehicle, but we all know what they are.

  • avatar
    Silence

    They were both complete idiots. You never merge with traffic at a faster speed than the traffic you are merging into. Both the cyclist and the Tesla driver were driving way to fast for the the traffic.

  • avatar
    Discoman

    Personal note to self: Give driver of Black Tesla with plate “MAC 84” plenty of room since driver thinks they are bigger and badasser than others they share the road with.

  • avatar
    nickoo

    All this talk about fighting, mma, gym time, who is gay, who isnt…and I’m just sitting here with my concealed carry with a smirk on my face. Having made the decision “him or me” more than I’d like to admit while I was over in the middle east…well, Im still around to talk about it.

    What I am saying is, dont f with people. You never know what the outcome is going to be. Lane splitting is a legal right in California and there is nothing wrong with it.

    • 0 avatar
      06V66speed

      Fun times, huh nickoo?

      Stick around. We’ll continue talking bashing each other, drink a sh*t ton of beers, then piss for distance like nothing ever happened.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      “Lane splitting is a legal right in California”

      No, it’s not. There is no law allowing or prohibiting lane splitting, but it arguably violates other laws (especially the law that requires vehicles to stay in their lanes). The Highway Patrol could start interpreting existing law to ban it tomorrow, and the issue would go to court — where I wouldn’t expect a lane-splitting motorcyclist to win.

      • 0 avatar
        nickoo

        No. That’s not correct. CHP issued guidelines last year detailing safe lane splitting practices. LANE SPLITTING IS LEGAL. The guidelines were taken down after some little prissy pants complained, but the law didn’t change. Lane splitting is considered legal under various interpretations of CVC 22400 and it is in fact illegal to attempt to block a motorcyclist attempting to lane split under the same legal statute.

        It sounds to me like you’re just a little jealous that someone else gets to go ahead of you and get there just a little bit faster. Sour grapes huh? Do you even California Brah?

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          Nice cut and paste, “brah.”

          You are actually agreeing with my point when you say: “Lane splitting is considered legal under various interpretations of CVC 22400”

          The key word: interpretations. Those are administrative interpretations, not law (which comes from either the legislature or the courts). The CHP could change their interpretation tomorrow and the only recourse for a ticketed motorcyclist would be to go to court and challenge CHP’s interpretation (and cases like that are very hard to win). Or, someone whose car was damaged by a lane-splitting motorcyclist could sue the motorcyclist for negligence on the basis that the motorcyclist violated various sections of the statute by lane-splitting, and the court would have to determine whether lane-splitting was legal or not. It’s untested, and all you can say right now is that it’s not specifically forbidden or explicitly permitted.

          Yes, I’m a lawyer.

          • 0 avatar
            nickoo

            Heh, You’re a p*ss p00r lawyer then, you can’t even interpret CVC correctly, unlike the thousands of motorcyclists legally lane split every single day under CVC statues OR EVEN THE CHP WHICH ISSUED SAFETY GUIDELINES ON LANESPLITTING.

            http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/california-lane-splitting-guidelines/

            You’re just jealous because you can’t stand the idea of someone getting to go ahead of you in traffic.

            You came here to pick a fight with me, (and honestly, I have no idea why) and you got wrecked.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            I don’t think you even read what I wrote. I tried to teach you just a bit of administrative law, but instead I got the verbal equivalent of a super-size Coke thrown out the window of a lifted F-250.

            Again, slowly so you can understand it if you read it a few times in a row: CHP INTERPRETATIONS ARE NOT LAW. THEY CAN CHANGE. THE ACTUAL LAW DOESN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

            Oh, and then there’s this, from CVC 21658(a): “Whenever any roadway has been divided into two or more clearly marked lanes for traffic in one direction, the following rules apply: (a) A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as practical entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from the lane until such movement can be made with reasonable safety. . . .” I think there’s a good chance that, if a court considered lane-splitting in light of that statute, it would find lane-splitting to violate the statute.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            As I noted, those CHP guidelines were withdrawn. So not only are those interpretations subject to change, but they have already changed.

        • 0 avatar
          JimZ

          “Do you even California Brah?”

          not if I can help it.

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      “Lane splitting is a legal right in California”

      You really need to do more research prior to posting comments. You are often wrong, and this is no exception.
      _________________

      California law does not allow or prohibit motorcycles from passing other vehicles proceeding in the same direction within the same lane, a practice often called “lane splitting,” “lane sharing” or “filtering.”

      https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/about/lane_splitting

      _________________

      A recent effort to enact lane splitting regulations failed:

      http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article26620264.html

      • 0 avatar
        nickoo

        You may want to pull your foot out of your mouth. You are not correct. CHP had even issued guidelines detailing safe lane splitting practices. LANE SPLITTING IS LEGAL it falls under safe operation of a motor vehicle. The CHP issued guidelines which were taken down after some little prissy pants complained, but the law or interpretation of it didn’t change. Lane splitting is considered legal under interpretation of CVC safe and prudent operations and under 22400 which doesn’t allow impedance of traffic and it is in fact illegal to attempt to block a motorcyclist attempting to lane split under the same legal statute.

        http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/california-lane-splitting-guidelines/

        It sounds to me like you’re just a little jealous that someone else gets to go ahead of you and get there just a little bit faster. Sour grapes huh? Do you even California Brah?

        • 0 avatar
          Pch101

          You really need to learn how to read.

          The CHP guidelines to which you are referring were rescinded. The DMV link above explains it.

          Again, your accuracy sucks. Get your shiite together before you post here again.

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      Nickoo: “I’m just sitting here with my concealed carry with a smirk on my face.”

      Us too, in knowing that two-thirds of killings by handgun are suicides.

  • avatar
    -Nate

    California has the ” Available Lane Space law ” that helps ease traffic greatly and alloys the hell out of pinheads stuck in their cages .
    .
    It also allows some Motocyclists to ride stupidly .
    .
    I used to lane split faster until several times jerks deliberately tried to not just block me but to hit me .
    .
    Nowadayze I lane split only going slightly faster than the traffic .
    .
    If it’s still out there , read the ‘ Hurt Report ‘ .
    .
    I’m still waiting for the gay bashing to continue ~ it’s always so funny .
    .
    A while ago in another OnLine Car Club I decided to shake up the ‘ tough guys ‘ by asking if we had any gay folks present .
    .
    More than 2/3 of the Club turned out to be gay and this of course scared the shit out of the pinheads .
    .
    Some of the toughest , baddest men I know , are gay , I’d pick them first in any fight .
    .
    Loosing a serious fight not only hurts like hell , it’s embarrassing and reminds you you’re not 18 anymore , oops .
    .
    I love how some threads meander all over the map .
    .
    -Nate

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    I got cut off by a gentleman in a Model S last week. And he had his phone up to his ear. You’d think someone driving a road-going computer would know how to use hands-free Bluetooth.

    My point: some stereotypes are true, but when it comes to the make and model of a car, *anyone* can be a jerk. Anyone can also drive courteously.

    And, by the way, those of you suggesting or advertising firearm violence shouldn’t own guns. A gun is not going to save you when someone comes barreling toward you, even maliciously. You’d be better off using that mental capacity to move out of the way.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      Like just an hour ago, when some guy in a BRZ acted like he was going to let me in to the turn lane (I was in the straight on lane at a light incorrectly, and couldn’t back up.) I had my blinker on.

      So he sort of stops with a decent distance, and I had already waved thanks before I started to move. Light turns green ahead of me, and as I start to come over he decides he’s going to move forward real quick and give me about 6″ of clearance.

      Yeah, that was worth it, BRZ assh0le.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      “And, by the way, those of you suggesting or advertising firearm violence shouldn’t own guns. ”

      +7.3 Billion

      Seriously, this is going to be a problem and already has become one in “shall issue permit” jurisdictions, as incidents of road rage & road ragers carrying ccw permits & the pistols/revolvers that they permit have gotten into open fire fights, with serious injuries and fatalities occurring.

      I’m not going to get into the legality, constitutionality or wisdom of liberalizing concealed carrying of firearms, but there are very weak training and screening processes for what is an incredibly responsibility-laden activity of carrying a firearm on one’s person or in one’s vehicle as things stand now, IMO.

      • 0 avatar
        Ihatejalops

        -20 billion

        This is wrong on so many levels it astounds me. Prove it.

        Look at Illinois & California, no increased violence from people with permits. VT has no permitting at all and you can open carry. You could open carry in California without a permit up until 2013. License holders are far more law abiding than any other citizens out there.

  • avatar
    VenomV12

    This is some of the stupidest garbage I have ever seen you write and I have seen you write a lot of stupid garbage. I don’t know, you look pretty feminine to me. And to be honest, tough guy masculinity means nothing in America anymore with the proliferation of guns, a 10 year old girl is as tough as a 300 pound burly man now, both are equally capable of squeezing a trigger, hell toddlers to it all the time and kill people.

    • 0 avatar
      nickoo

      Yes, that is exactly the point I was trying to make. Tough means nothing when you’re staring down the barrel of a gun, that is why it’s not a good idea go picking fights with people.

      Trayvon Martin did exactly that and got exactly what was coming to him.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      Well, thanks anyway for clicking a bunch of times.

      Only one of us gets paid from this interaction, and it’s this feminine-looking idiot (points thumbs at self)

  • avatar
    zip89105

    The Tesla driver was another entitled one who should be checking his mailbox soon.

  • avatar
    zip89105

    The Tesla probably wouldn’t be too hard to find at an Apple lot.

  • avatar
    hgrunt

    Bay Area resident here, formerly a resident of the Los Angeles area. I miss Los Angeles drivers and LA traffic: Consistent, predictable, and professional (not to be confused for friendly or courteous).

    Bay Area drivers are just hands down awful, Tesla driver or not. Many drivers on the road here are transplants from a place where they either don’t drive, or don’t have this kind of traffic or have to share the road with this many people. I often see a complete lack of situational awareness, speeds can vary wildly, all compounded by bad signage, and infrastructure that was never designed for the number of people currently using it.

    My partner stopped commuting on his V-Strom after a few months, despite the easy parking, 2.50 bridge toll and HOV access, because it was just too harrowing to deal with people acting unpredictably in bumper to bumper, rush hour bridge traffic.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      I’ve noticed the same thing. LA drivers may be assholes, but they’re generally predictable assholes. In SF, I can’t see how half these guys got drivers’ licenses. They crash into their own garage doors. And back into their neighbor’s car. Barrel into foot tall curbs… I saw one guy crash his Segway into his minivan. And another smash into a parked car, walk outside to check for damage, then get back into his car and fall asleep waiting for the cops. With the alarm of the car he smashed into howling.

  • avatar
    05lgt

    Lane splitti g is legal in CA, but what about running the metered onramp light? It was the Teslas green, so thats why he went. Shouldnt the bike stop for a light? The follow on rage is two people being stupid together. More than enough stupid for to go around.

    • 0 avatar
      nickoo

      “Lane splitting is legal in CA”

      Yes, yes it is.

      Be warned though, you’re opening yourself up to the usual pr8cks around here who are just here to bully others by stating factual comments like that.

      Seriously, see above. Some people just really can’t handle the fact that lane splitting is legal in CA under correct interpretation of the CVC and they lose their sh*t over it.

      I think they’re the type that are jealous of the thought that someone gets to go ahead of them, and they perceive it as a personal slight.

      They are the type who go around shouting things like “It’s current year” and “Where was the TW?! I’m so Triggered! I need my safe space.”

      They’ll undoubtedly be voting for Bernie Sanders in the general election, even after Hillary wins the nomination, because they are good little cuck-a-doo-dle-doos.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        Now you’re just spouting gibberish. Someone who is jealous that motorcyclists can commute faster is not the same as someone who wants to take our country back from the wealthiest 1%.

        • 0 avatar
          nickoo

          No, they are one and the same group of Limp wristed fem boys who can’t handle that other people have something they don’t.

          It all stems from jealously, the most rotten of emotions, felt by only the biggest losers in society who can’t make it on their own.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            One side of this debate is sticking to facts and knowledge. The other is throwing around terms like “good little cuck-a-doo-dle-doos” and “Limp wristed fem boys.” I’ll leave it to the B&B to determine which is the “biggest loser.”

        • 0 avatar
          VoGo

          Glad to hear that you’ve made it on your own and have things that others don’t.

          I mean, I assume that’s true from the way you write. But then, why the need to be so insulting? Lady Macbeth might observe that you sure do protest a lot. Maybe too much.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        nickoo, amen to the usual pr8cks just here to bully others. I like reading all these various comments from such a diverse set of people, with such a wide variety of experiences.

        And when driving to/from San Diego, CA, last week, I saw a ton of motorcycle traffic, and all of them were lane-splitting on the Interstates. Didn’t bother me, but I didn’t try to out-accelerate them either.

        Surprisingly, I also saw a number of Tesloop Tesla sedans cruising on I-15. Tesloop does shuttle service between LA and Vegas. Must be trending. I was intrigued, by the name on the license plate, and the full cars.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      You could say he split the Tesla’s “green light” so shouldn’t have to stop. Or which light should the biker obey? Bikes have a free pass in HOV lanes plus some onramps have carpool lanes that bypass the metered lights anyway. The meters are just there to ease rush hour congestion, and bikes get a ‘pass’ in that respect.

  • avatar
    pdq

    Since this video takes place in San Jose and since the Tesla’s personalized plate appears to read MAC and then two digits (freeze the video at 0:46), I’m guessing the Tesla driver is a smug, self-entitled assw*pe from the tech sector who got his panties in a wad because someone beat him off the line at the onramp signal.

    Of course the motorcycle rider who was splitting lanes is probably just as smug, just as self-entitled and equally indignant that someone in a CAR can catch him and pass him.

    Pot meet kettle.

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    We need more “Start Seeing Motorcycles” bumper stickers plastered on cars/trucks. Imagine how many lives those things have saved. Whoever came up with that idea to promote motorcycle safety is an absolute genius! Let’s heighten everyone’s awareness to take the time to look out for us. This will work so much better than riding like your invisible with the proper safety gear on.

  • avatar
    e30gator

    Jack: Anyone who has to advertise themselves as a “traditional male” probably doesn’t believe it themselves. It’s desperate and obvious, much like your low rent click-bait articles. You’re not fooling anybody.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      It’s sad, really.

      Twice a week I write out the blueprint for guys like you to follow so you can leave your WoW clan and get laid once in a while, and all you do is say ungrateful shit like this.

      It’s a shame Muddy Waters is dead; you could get on the Internet and criticize him for bragging in his music.

  • avatar

    Thank you Tesla !

    Sincerely,

    – BMW driver

  • avatar
    rudiger

    FWIW, the apparent rider/poster of the youtube video (“H-D Rider RU”) has another posted video which shows a rather good number of close calls where drivers pulled out in front of him or cut him off in traffic. And in each instance, he made his displeasure known to the other driver (none of which seem to have responded).

    I haven’t ridden a motorcycle in a long time so don’t know if this guy is overly sensitive, getting his use out of his new helmet cam toy, or just a poor driver himself. He does seem to take off from standing starts pretty rapidly (or at least as fast as his rather lethargic Harley seems to go).

    Regardless, based on his other video, it definitely looks like ‘H-D Rider RU’ was at least as responsible as the Tesla driver for the events in the video.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    I’m always amused by the class envy/stereotype comments here:

    BMW drivers

    Prius drivers

    Buick drivers

    Porsche drivers

    Bike drivers

    Police car drivers

    Taxi drivers

    SoCal drivers

    Florida drivers

    18-wheel drivers

    Pickup drivers

    and now… Tesla drivers, and the list goes on.

    The prejudice is tiring. Interesting how the B&B never fit into one of these stereotypes, and comprise the best drivers in the land.

    I’ve had countless accidents – most of them my fault. Hope I never make a mistake around some of you.

    • 0 avatar
      laserwizard

      Oh, well. Perhaps you should just read the articles and skip the comments if you are so fragile. Perhaps you could ask Chlamydia Jenner Kardashian on how to grow some balls while wearing a dress.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        Is it true that your day job is as headmaster of a charm school?

      • 0 avatar
        sportyaccordy

        One can acknowledge the B&B’s unbridled classism, car-purchase based character indictments and full on jealousy without being fragile. If anyone is fragile here it’s the people who spend their waking hours casting all who dare to not adhere to their arbitrary adolescent car purchase regulations as automotive infidels. The level of projection and self importance here provides endless entertainment.

  • avatar
    Drzhivago138

    Confession time: I’ve never actually watched one of these Mad Max-esque showdown videos, either on TTAC or elsewhere, but I’ve always read most of the comments. Doing so creates a kind of simulacrum in my mind of what the video was, without having to deal firsthand with the possible feelings of anger and revulsion at actually viewing it.

  • avatar
    johnc99

    I’ve been lurking on this site for a while and registered to comment on this as I live near where this occurred and drive CA-85 (both north an south) every day. CA-85 is a 3 lane (each direction) road connecting south San Jose with Mountain View. The left most lane in each direction is an HOV lane that is active at certain times of the day. Outwith those times the HOV lanes operate as regular lanes.

    This paragraph:

    “In California, however, there is another kind of Tesla buyer — somebody who will pay any price and bear any burden to get a California HOV lane sticker. Those people pride themselves on being able to drive past the common man in traffic, and they don’t like it when you demonstrate more privilege than they have.”

    describes most Tesla Model S drivers I come across. They are aggressive, discourteous, and feel entitled.

    If the model designation has a ‘P’ the more likely we have a jerk behind the wheel. The Tesla driver was acting true to type. And drivers like that don’t like anyone passing them and will start driving erratically and with callous disregard of other road users just (because they can) to get back ahead. I can only hope that the argument was still going on when that San Jose squad car got past the metering lights.

    If only Tesla could improve one part — the nut that holds the steering wheel.

  • avatar
    DaleR

    Jack, for what’s it’s worth, the motorcyclist doesn’t do himself any favors here. Look at the way the guy is riding. Not doing any head checks, assuming he’s the fastest thing on the road. No thinking “Gee that Hyundai has moved over, I’d better head-check my left lane just in case …”.

    Post incident, he’s target fixated on having a go at the Tesla driver. That silver coupe, at 37 seconds, is mighty close to his left bar.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      I agree. I wouldn’t let him teach my son how to ride.

      Actually, I think my clone already rides his TT-R90 better than this guy rides his Sporty.

  • avatar
    laserwizard

    Lane splitting is dangerous – not surprised that California would allow it since nothing they do is based on logic or facts.

    Try that in Virginia, Mr. Motorcycle. You are likely to be sent flying by someone in a 20 year old Chevrolet with gold teeth with 50 inch rims driven by a 350 pound five foot something woman.

  • avatar
    bikegoesbaa

    I’m surprised by the idea that anybody would be “jealous” of a motorcycle rider, much less somebody with a new $70K+ seedan. If Tesla guy wanted a bike he’d have one.

    Bikes are stupidly cheap. You can get a competent one for less than $5k new; and a $3,500 ten year old CBR600F4i will out-accelerate almost any car on the road.

    Some of the most competent motorcycles on the planet cost about as much as a Versa. A CBR1000RR will go 0-60 in well under 3 seconds and costs 14 grand.

    If you have two legs, ten working brain cells, and an income tax return you too can have a motorcycle and a learner’s permit no problem.

    Being jealous of somebody’s motorcycle makes as much sense as being jealous of somebody’s corn dog. Just go buy one of your own = problem solved.

  • avatar
    Chan

    The proliferation of non-Californians telling Californians what their law means is hilarious.

    Lane-splitting is “not illegal” in CA. Therefore it will continue and it will continue without legal consequence until someone changes the law.

    This is not a bright moment for the B&B.

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