By on April 17, 2016

Volkswagen Golf with Jüw Brner novelty plate, Image: Supplied by Ed Covert via Facebook

Last week, we pondered a semi-subtle Nazi-themed decal applied to the rear window of a Volkswagen CC (that obviously blocked the driver’s rearview of history). After we posted that piece, another reader supplied the image above, which shows a Volkswagen GTI sporting a novelty plate that directly links the Führer’s People’s Car with the Nazi execution of nearly 6 million Jews.

Are Volkswagen fanboys the most likely car enthusiast group to show full-on anti-Semitism?

The display of racist imagery isn’t limited to just Volkswagen, or just the Nazis. One only needs to look to (predominately) rural America and Canada (we see it lots here) to find many Confederate flags affixed to pickups and the like. The racism attached to the Confederate flag is usually thinly veiled with explanations of “Dukes of Hazzard” fandom or having a relative who fought for the South in the American Civil War.

Just last year, a group protested Kid Rock’s use of the Confederate flag at concerts and called on General Motors to stop sponsoring his tour. Even pro-golfer Bubba Watson got caught up in the fervour surrounding the Confederate flag when he promised to paint over the imagery on his authentic General Lee Charger.

Debate continues over the Confederate flag’s appearance on state-issued license plates. Maryland phased out license plates featuring the Confederate flag after a federal ruling on the matter, which followed Texas and Virginia. Georgia, however, continues to sell Confederate-themed license plates — the proceeds of which partially fund the Sons of Confederate Veterans — after sales of that plate were temporarily suspended.

Yet, no such thin veil is used for this Volkswagen novelty plate. And though Daimler made some impressive machines for Hitler during Nazi rule in Germany, we’ve yet to see a C-Class festooned with swastikas.

[Image: Supplied by Ed Covert via “PoSC – Photos of Shitty Cars” on Facebook]

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135 Comments on “Are Volkswagen Fanboys the Most Anti-Semitic Car Enthusiasts?...”


  • avatar
    JD23

    Never go full-Jalopnik.

    • 0 avatar
      JustPassinThru

      Seems that way. This is the worst kind of clickbait – some things cannot be let stand. But this has little to do with the little merit or relevance that NSU, dba Volkswagenwerk AG, aka VWAG, aka one-more-ripoff-European-brand…what place they have in the American market.

      VW is guilty of many unforgiveable things. Promoting racism is not one of them. And what kinds of morons buy their cars, is of only secondary relevance…do we want to somehow ban or smear bro-dozer Big Trucks, or overpowered Corvettes that simpletons pile up with distressing regularity?

    • 0 avatar
      Ltd1983

      TTAC has turned into utter garbage.

      The Russian dashcams, and now article after article designed to do nothing but draw clicks from inane arguments in the comments. Look at the comments below, the storm has started already.

      This article is the last straw for me, TTAC is getting booted from my bookmarks. I suggest people check out TheDrive.com, they’re a fantastic source for actual automotive news.

      • 0 avatar
        johnny ro

        thanks for the link.

        I also find this article offensive and disappointing. I do consume political news but don’t want it here. This is a car site.

        • 0 avatar

          What’s so “offensive” about it?

          • 0 avatar
            AtomB

            As a Jew who currently owns a VW, a BMW, and a Porsche, i just think its a click bait-y article with minimal content. And your tepid arguments about the Confederate flag doesn’t break any new ground, it just rehashes the obvious. Lazy Sunday post.

      • 0 avatar
        jrhmobile

        Really?

        I just took you up on your suggestion and the top of the first page for TheDrive.com (Sunday 17 April 16, 12:45 pm EDT) has more hot takes and click-baity lead ins than this site does.

        “7 Vehicles You Definitely Shouldn’t Operate Naked”? “The Apple Car Is Real, And You Will Never Be Able To Buy One”? Puh-leeze …

        • 0 avatar
          Ltd1983

          Really.

          You took the 1 least legitimate sounding article out of 25 (which is humorous BTW, you’re free to stick to the serious articles) and act like it’s representative of the whole website. If you want nothing but dry, fact based reporting that could have written by robots, Autoblog still exists too.

          And try reading the Apple Car article, it’s actually a very original, great piece. He’s proposing that Apple might not be actually developing a car to sell, but working on integrated automotive IT to patent to existing automakers.

          You purposely leave out the 4 different new car reviews on that home page, when was the last time we got more than one in a week here?

          Or try any of the Zach Bowman’s Odyssey articles, and tell me you’ve ever read anything half that good on TTAC.

          Find me one article on there that is as bad as this Nazi-VW nonsense, or reposting Russian dash cams.

          • 0 avatar

            We had five reviews this week, covered the EPA reversal, and had multiple takes on the Apple Car.

            The Russian dash cam bit was us having fun on a Friday. What’s so wrong with that? Why is it okay for The Drive to post a humorous article but not TTAC?

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Which article from TheDrive did you prefer, “7 Vehicles You Definitely Shouldn’t Operate Naked”, “5 Animals the New Tesla Model S Resembles”, or “The 8 Worst Customized Celebrity Cars”?

      • 0 avatar

        TheDrive is also staffed with an army of full-time employees and it’s armed with a budget that’s 20x the size of ours. Same goes for Automotive News, et al.

        We attempt to post as much content during the run of a day as possible that’s relevant to _your_ tastes. Sometimes we don’t. Sometimes there’s not much going on.

        • 0 avatar
          Ltd1983

          The difference is balance.

          One humorous, original article, set off by several actual new car reviews.

          Not at all similar to two different, clickbait Nazi articles on the home page being set off by a dash cam video link.

          Don’t make excuses, just quit posting garbage. This article is nothing but an editorial “bump” of the other Nazi article. Even if you’re going to defend the original article’s inclusion, you must admit this article adds ZERO to the Nazi/VW discussion, except you found a new picture to post at the top.

          If you don’t have the resources for several good articles a day, focus on one good one. Quality over quantity.

          • 0 avatar

            This definitely warrants a post.

            Unlike the previous decal, which might be confused for an old-timey Volkswagen decal from the past with no Nazi association recognized by the uneducated, a novelty plate with “Jüw Brner” is definitely racist, no matter what.

            As a commenter said below, the car’s owner might have done it “for the lulz.” But, imagine taking your kid to wherever this is and having him/her read that. Then imagine them saying it repeatedly because that’s what kids do.

          • 0 avatar
            Ltd1983

            Like I said, “except you found a new picture to post at the top.”

            I’ll save you the trouble of posting a new “article” every day, we can just do a google image search for “Nazi Decal on Car” ourselves.

            Perhaps unsurprisingly, these two images show up when you do.

          • 0 avatar

            @Ltd1983

            We aren’t talking about just a “Nazi decal” here through, are we? We are talking about Nazi novelty items specifically created for and marketed to people who own Volkswagens.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            “We are talking about Nazi novelty items specifically created for and marketed to people who own Volkswagens.”

            I wouldn’t assume that in this case. Fake license plates that are customized for the buyer are readily available online. You specify what you want the plate to say, and they make one for you.

            And honestly, you are kind of beating the VW angle to death. The emissions scandal is a legitimate news story, but there are other car companies on the planet.

          • 0 avatar

            @Pch101

            In both cases, the Volkswagens were sent to us by readers. We aren’t going out and trying to find these images.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I’m not commenting on how you sourced it. I’m inclined to think that Herr Jew Burner has a one-off item. You can order those plates so that they say whatever you want.

          • 0 avatar

            @Pch

            It looks like “Jew Burner” is used in the same way as “Rice Burner” according to Urban Dictionary.

            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jew+burner&defid=8336075

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I would rank Urban Dictionary about six levels below Wikipedia. And Wikipedia should not be used as a source.

      • 0 avatar
        derekson

        Yes, this article has pushed me to remove TTAC from my bookmarks as well.

        Congratulations on completing your job in ruining one of the better auto sites on the internet, Mark.

        • 0 avatar

          THANKS!

          • 0 avatar
            vwnut298

            I think a lot of people are being unduly harsh. It is a newspiece, that I think enthusiast should confront. We shouldn’t tolerate bragging about hating any group. I don’t see the humor in this. It makes me embarrassed to drive a VW.

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          Agree, TTAC, did have some very interesting , but at times very ignorant views, of aspects of Automobilia . This article is rubbish,

      • 0 avatar
        badreligion702

        I was actually given the 3rd degree here for the crime of actually liking my F30 328i. I got a lot of crap from ATS fans, even after explaining I need a usable back seat. Very weird.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        Mark S is a nice guy and I like him, and he did a great job at the start of his tenure…keeping true to the critical eye of TTAC under Farago & Jack Beauty…

        …but since then, he’s let a lot of the content go full Jalopnik.

        “Never go full Jalopnik.”

        This Jalopik-nification can not Stand, Man.

        There’s only enough really, really cheap oxygen for one Jalopnik-Gawker-Clickbait on the internet.

        The Dude asks TTAC to seriously reconsider its latest plot course and do a severe course correction.

    • 0 avatar
      VW16v

      Tooooo late. This site has been ull-Jalopnik for some time now.

      Having said that. I would say the Rolling Coal anti-American’s would lead the pack in anti-Semitic behavior and beliefs. I’ve known many a Jewish doctor rolling in their VW Touareg and Audi RS or S editions.

      • 0 avatar
        Dave M.

        Yeah, it’s not like the entire country was killing Jews, just a few thousand actively, willingly and knowingly participated. And it was 70-80 years ago. And Germans do make good cars.

        As a kid, my best friend’s parents were both in the Hitler Youth out of necessity and survival. His dad was spirited here by the Americans because of his engineering background. Very interesting conversations between our dads – mine fought in Eastern Europe and was part of the guard detail at Nuremberg.

    • 0 avatar
      natrat

      this is at least thought provoking, but it does seem to be way too minor to be a real trend. What is offensive is sites like jalopnik that constantly post US military propaganda, now that just sucks in a big and tangeble way

    • 0 avatar
      kyleck

      I’ve been reading TTAC loyally for well over 3 years now and I completely agree with you. I stopped reading Jalopnik for posts exactly like this- this is complete trash.

      Jack and Derek’s rein of the website was pretty damn good, but it is now getting worse. Steph’s “articles” are much worse than a newsbot, and Mark seems to actively promote shitty clickbait articles like this.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    What thinly veiled racism is associated with the Confederate flag? More like a lack of understanding history. You could put the actual Confederate battle flag on the back of any car in America and the same people that call the Confederate flag racist would have no idea what the flag they were looking at even originated.

    Now that the sites traditional “see racism in everything” group has something to whine about from me, I’ll just set back and watch the true racists come out of the woodwork.

    Some of the crap that got thrown around in the last thread was more racist than anything that several banned members ever spewed.

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      I have no doubt that the dude with the “Jew burner” fake license plate feels just as “misunderstood” as you do.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Real smooth that you are incapable of differentiating two completely different situations. I’m sure your real proud of yourself.

      • 0 avatar
        JustPassinThru

        Difference is, he’s drooling with race hatred.

        We’re speaking from historical facts.

        It takes an educated mind with honed critical-thinking skills to see that.

        Sorry you’re struggling.

        • 0 avatar

          I have a real problem with the premise that the General Lee’s Confederate Battle Flag is racist at all.

          The war had less to do with slavery than it did States Rights.

          Regardless of your views on why that war was fought, a lot of good faithful Americans died fighting for their beliefs.

          Many Americans fly that flag to honor their ancestors.

          Seems to me this article took a ridiculous left hand turn into the American south. You want to point out racist stickers on the backs of German cars as the title implies then that’s fine. Making racists out of Americans flying a battle flag that many of their ancestors fought and died for doesn’t sit well with me.

          And before anyone attacks me, I have a black step-son. I understand racism. And what racism isn’t.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Nonsense…the confederate flag has never been anything but racist. The only difference was that in 1980, you could still get away with that kind of garbage, but it’s a lot harder to do that today. People have woken up. And thank goodness for that.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            “Nonsense…the confederate flag has never been anything but racist. The only difference was that in 1980, you could still get away with that kind of garbage, but it’s a lot harder to do that today. People have woken up. And thank goodness for that.”

            How do you equate the assertion of STATES’ RIGHTS with RACISM?

            I tried once. I’ll try again. Tell us about the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision. Tell us about how Ohio, which tried to exercise STATES RIGHTS in LIBERATING a slave brought into an Abolitionist Free State…was DENIED THEIR RIGHTS to free and then shelter the slave Dred Scott.

            The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, when controlled by Southern factionalists, did that. They ALSO passed the Fugitive Slave Act. REQUIRING the return of slaves escaped to Free States.

            Did you know these facts? Does that sound like FedGov was all about freedom for slaves?

            Ohio’s struggle for States’ Rights to their Abolitionist end would have a lot more in common with the Confederate movement, than would the Abolitionists have with Washington.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            “Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth…

            …With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system.”

            -Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederate States of America, 1861

            Who am I supposed to believe: one of the founders of the Confederate government, or a TTAC poster with a long track record of never getting his facts straight?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Oh, states can have plenty of “rights” that aren’t racist at all.

            Unfortunately, making it legal to buy and sell black people as property isn’t one of them.

          • 0 avatar
            natrat

            states rights my ass, it was slavery or those southern bastards could not compete

    • 0 avatar
      George B

      Hummer, there are several different Confederate flags and most people wouldn’t recognize the original national flag for the Confederate States of America. The ones they would identify as the Confederate Flag are the 2nd Confederate Navy Jack and/or the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America However, considering the association with slavery and the loss of life, none of the Confederate flags are suitable car decoration.

    • 0 avatar
      natrat

      wtf dude? the sleazy south fought for enslaving people, that is their flag, it is racist

  • avatar
    JustPassinThru

    A confederate flag is not a symbol of racism.

    It is an assertion of the rights of American States – who all VOLUNTARILY joined the Union, which guaranteed each State its sovereignty – their right to WITHDRAW from that union.

    And no, the FedGov is not the angel here. Read up on the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision before the War Between the States – and Jim Crow rulings afterward.

    It is about an unchecked Central Government versus a Federalist preservation of ultimate State authority.

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      Yeah, treason is just awesome.

      • 0 avatar
        JustPassinThru

        That’s kinda how the United States got started. By asserting a right to separate from an out-of-control Central Government – and then doing it.

        It’s only asserted to be treason, by those who insist that once a State REQUESTS admission, there is no way out. Interestingly, those same folks rub out the Constitutional limits on the Central government.

        Goobermint skeuels are also awesome, in how they substitute propaganda for education and critical thinking.

        • 0 avatar
          Pch101

          I have to admire your consistency. Your track record for posting drivel here approaches 100%.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            Very good. You tell me two things about yourself: That you disagree, because you’ve lapped up the dispensed propaganda without question.

            AND you dismiss contrarian views as “drivel.”

            That’s always good to know – your opinion isn’t worth a pile of something warm and brown. I will so regard it hereon.

          • 0 avatar
            Whittaker

            Pch, What is this, if not treason?

            “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…”

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Well, gee whiz, we didn’t ratify a constitution with the English monarch, now did we?

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            Well, gee whiz. Was the King not violating the terms of the Magna Carta? And denying the Colonials their rights as Englishmen?

            Now, you want to look at the long history of Constitutional transgressions FedGov has perpetuated? Balance THAT against the ENNUMERATED powers given FedGov and the “powers not delegated are reserved to the States or the people thereof”?

            Know where that comes from?

            Look it up and get back with us. Or not. DILLIGAF.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            It’s pretty obvious that you barely made it out of high school. Aside from providing an example of the deficiencies of poorly educated people, you’re not really in a position to educate anyone about anything.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            Nope. Five years of college.

            Took a lot of history and poli-sci.

            It’s pretty obvious YOU don’t know the difference between fact, opinion, and propaganda. Nor the difference between disagreement and stupidity.

            YOU are not the arbiter. You scarcely know the facts behind the Secession of the Southern states. Nor do you understand how often FedGov was controlled by pro-slavery factions.

            Educate yourself and get back with us, ‘kay?

            Meantime…do you have anything at all to say about automobiles? Besides that you owe more on your Kia than it’s worth?

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            If you had devoted a fraction of the time that you have spent posting your nonsense on this thread to reading the secession speeches and declarations made in 1861, then it would be obvious that secession was intended to preserve slavery.

            They weren’t exactly subtle about it. Even you should be able to understand it.

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

            As does your trollary. When you cant argue, you resort to childish antics like making fun of the person who just slammed the door in your face. You thrive on this political BS, it makes you feel smart when you can go around correcting people with your typical arrogance coupled with ignorance. Repeating crap you heard on The Daily Show doesnt make you smart, it makes you another mindless liberal drone. The fact that you think youre smarter than the rest of us is hillarious. Its like watching a 7 year old argue with an adult about how to do taxes or build a house.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Instead of waxing nostalgic about a twenty-year old mediocre sedan between your moments of right-wing buffoonery, go read the secession speeches given by the representatives of the South during the Civil War. They talked a whole lot about the joys of slavery and why it was so offensive that some of the states didn’t share their enthusiasm for the grand institution of owning people.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “That’s kinda how the United States got started. By asserting a right to separate from an out-of-control Central Government – and then doing it.”

          Right, because the effort to end slavery – and don’t even bother to argue that wasn’t what the war was about, because you will lose – was “out of control central government.” And morally, the cause of Americans having voting rights and such was perfectly equivalent to the cause of confederates being able to buy and sell human beings as property, and use them and their children as forced laborers.

          This wasn’t out of control central government. It was central government doing exactly what the people who designed it wanted – to make sure all Americans were treated equally. It was attempting to end a practice that was an absolute moral outrage. It was central government doing what it should have done in 1787, and would have done had the future confederates not lost their s**t on anyone who suggested. it.

          Now you can get started on the “tyrannical Yankee,” and “unfair tax” arguments. Have at ’em. I can disprove every one systematically.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            No, I will not lose.

            The war was started when the Northern states and Washington, refused to recognize the rights of the Southern states to exit the Union.

            No law had been passed proposing an outlawing of slavery. The Southern states just had enough of the struggle.

            The war was about Secession – which was a LEGAL question that Lincoln chose to settle with ARMS. Slavery was put out as justification to get the Abolitionist support.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            JPT, here’s a fun book:

            http://tinyurl.com/jom4zcq

            Betcha can’t finish it.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            “No, I will not lose.”

            Unlike the Conferacy…

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “The war was started when the Northern states and Washington, refused to recognize the rights of the Southern states to exit the Union.”

            You’ll now be kind enough to point to the passage in the Constitution, or Supreme Court decision, that allows states to leave at will.

            I’ll wait.

            (checks watch)

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “No law had been passed proposing an outlawing of slavery. The Southern states just had enough of the struggle.”

            No, what they couldn’t stand was Lincoln being elected president.

            Why?

            Because he was an abolitionist. Always was. No doubt you’ll point out that he was also a bigot (very true), and once advocated sending all black people back to Africa (again, true). Perhaps you’ll also point out that the Emancipation Proclamation was largely symbolic, didn’t free any slaves that already weren’t in union contolled territories, and was actually aimed at keeping Britain out of the war (and you’d be right). You might also correctly mention that Lincoln proposed keeping slavery legal where it was but not letting it spread (also correct, but given that no new slave states could possibly be admitted, and the large number of states that were being formed, abolitionists would soon have a 2/3 majority in Congress and would be able to outlaw the practice, this was also an abolitionist position).

            And you’ll also trot out the “northerners were very racist” straw man (once again, true). But none of this disproves that northerners in general, and Lincoln in particular, were against slavery. Why else would they elect an abolitionist?

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            “JPT, here’s a fun book:

            http://tinyurl.com/jom4zcq

            Betcha can’t finish it.”

            Betcha I don’t click on blind links.

            Say your piece. Or not.

            Sorry facts disturb you…maybe TTAC could put up a Safe Space somewhere where the miseducated, indoctrinated speshel snowflakes could retreat to, when big, bad reality peeks out…

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            JPT, that was an adroit gathering of petticoats, but so’s you can have no more faux leeriness:

            http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2/181-5379612-4412051?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the+american+slave+coast

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            “JPT, that was an adroit gathering of petticoats, but so’s you can have no more faux leeriness”

            Nice. Revisionist history from someone nobody ever heard of.

            Lots of bilge wind up in books these days. And revisionist history is a growing field. Seems, when liberals were told they were entitled to their own opinions…they took it to mean they were entitled to theor own FACTS.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            Lost Cause.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            “It has been observed, to coerce the states is one of the maddest projects that was ever devised. A failure of compliance will never be confined to a single state. This being the case, can we suppose it wise to hazard a civil war?

            “Suppose Massachusetts, or any large state, should refuse, and Congress should attempt to compel them, would they not have influence to procure assistance, especially from those states which are in the same situation as themselves? What picture does this idea present to our view? A complying state at war with a non-complying state; Congress marching the troops of one state into the bosom of another; this state collecting auxiliaries, and forming, perhaps, a majority against the federal head.

            “Here is a nation at war with itself. Can any reasonable man be well disposed towards a government which makes war and carnage the only means of supporting itself — a government that can exist only by the sword? Every such war must involve the innocent with the guilty. This single consideration should be sufficient to dispose every peaceable citizen against such a government. But can we believe that one state will ever suffer itself to be used as an instrument of coercion? The thing is a dream; it is impossible.”

            Do any of the revisionists know who said this and when he said it? The union was always meant to be voluntary and mutually beneficial, not something to be enforced with arms.

          • 0 avatar
            Kenmore

            Dat soun’ lahk ol’ Marse Jeff!

            *attempts click-bait synergy*

            Or was it Judah Benjamin?

  • avatar
    cyberc9000

    Well, time to drop TTAC from my RSS feed. This Gawker-esque shit is embarrassing.

    • 0 avatar

      I’m considering that too. Even Jack flopped with a Motor Trend article. But then, is there an alternative? Autoblog is about the only one, but you know how they go. Hell is going to freeze over before they post a link to a source from which they crib. TTAC at least pretends to practice real blogging.

  • avatar
    Jeff Waingrow

    This is pretty low-down journalism, is it not? It just invites intemperate comments. I’ve owned a few VWs and probably have seen many thousands, and I have never seen anything on any of them that made any reference to Jews or Nazis or whatever. Same goes for Mercedes. As for the Confederate flag, it obviously means different things to different people. I can report that they are rarely seen in MA in any form. Bubba Watson had one on the roof of his famous car, and I doubt he had any racist intentions. Some others perhaps do. There’s still a lot of ill feeling between the races.

    • 0 avatar
      JustPassinThru

      Give the people what they want.

      Whoever okayed this post, knew it was red meat to the political flamers. Of course the totalitarians who want government to control all Approved Opinions jumped right in; and had to pull out Confederate flags. Next will come “black holes” and “niggardly.”

      So…they want a flame war…things are dull this morning. Here we GOOOooo….

    • 0 avatar
      rehposolihp

      I think “invites intemperate comments” qualifies as for an “Understatement of the Year Award” nomination.

      TTAC – you can be better than this. This article is not news.

    • 0 avatar

      When a company produces a product, like the decal we posted on Friday, aimed specifically at the owners of a certain vehicle brand, and that product obviously has racist undertones, I think that’s worth exploring.

      The same goes for this. Is there an anti-Semitic subculture within the Vortex?

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        I’m sure that there are a few Aryan-sucking white power wingnuts who drive VWs precisely because of their Nazi origins, just as there are white power wingnuts who want to play the part of Germans in online war games because of their stupid Nazi fetishes. (It’s not a fluke that some of those gaming websites include prohibitions against racism.)

        But are there a lot of these people? I seriously doubt it. Certainly not enough to comprise a full-blown movement. It’s more likely that the bigots will hide behind “states rights” and other bland jargon, and they drive all kinds of cars and trucks.

  • avatar
    Mathias

    I agree that the confederate flag is not a racist symbol.
    My problem is that so many racists DON’T KNOW THAT.

    If I’m riding my bicycle out in the boonies in middle-aged Lycra splendor, and I see a bar by the road side with the confederate flag proudly displayed… you think I might think twice before going in?

    “Them’s some purty shorts you’re wearing, boy” etc.

    Ima strum my banjo a little faster as I ride by.

    BTW, the VW stuff will get you jail time in the Vaterland.

    • 0 avatar

      The Confederate flag, in and of itself, might not be a racist symbol. Neither is a swastika in India used within its own cultural context. In Germany and elsewhere, it has a completely different association. Applying that logic to the Confederate flag, why would anyone in Canada display it? I’m sure they have no understanding of state’s rights, nor should they really care.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Unfortunately, the “cultural context” of the confederate flag is inexorably tied to racism. They didn’t steal someone else’s symbol, or take over one that wasn’t racist before – they created it themselves and it flew over armies formed to enforce the nonsense “state’s right” of being able to buy and sell black people as property. And it only stopped flying when those armies surrendered. It was a racist symbol from the day that flag was raised to the day it was lowered.

        To argue otherwise is folly.

        The reason why “it’s racist now” is that attitudes have changed. Not so long ago, people could be openly racist and everyone basically had to put up with it. They don’t have to anymore.

        • 0 avatar
          Kenmore

          It’s one of the handsomest flags ever contrived and emphatically a symbol of the Old South’s mortal commitment to chattel slavery, monocultural land destruction, permanent educational and industrial retardation plus oodles of other bad stuff.

          But it’s dang good lookin’. Ditto for much nazi symbology and accomplished/proposed architecture.

        • 0 avatar
          George B

          FreedMike, the cultural context of the confederate battle flag is that it’s a Saltier, a diagonal X flag like the Flag of Scotland, which refers back to St. Andrew being killed on an X shaped cross. The explicitly racist flag was the Second Confederate National Flag that put the X on a white background. In their effort to be racist, the mostly white flag looked too much like a surrender flag when it was hanging limp.

  • avatar
    MrGreenMan

    It seems like it would be timely to revisit Milo Yiannopoulos and Allum Bohkari’s conclusion about various “alt-right” subcultures and the use of Nazi symbolism:

    Most of these are done for the lulz. There’s a small group of true believers in the ubermensch meanings of those symbols, but these aren’t they – nobody likes the true believers, they don’t socialize with other people, anyway.

    In an era when the sacred cows of speech codes have replaced the sacred cows of the Christian church in the West, you get no kicks by punching down and being yet one more person to spread filth on a portrait of Our Lady. These things obviously push certain people’s buttons – like apparently Mr. Stevenson’s – and there will always be people who get a thrill out of pushing buttons.

    Remember Bart’s elephant Stampy? When they returned him to the wild, given everything an elephant would want, he still just walked up and randomly headbutted the other elephants. Those doing it for the lulz will always do anything to shock for the cheap thrill. The behavior stays the same; the sacred cows change – but are always those things that society at large says you can’t do, say, or criticize. The organized protests only make it more thrilling for the lulz seeker.

  • avatar
    Whittaker

    Pch, Neither you nor I has ratified a constitution.
    By your logic neither of us can commit treason.
    Your political bias is destroying your logic.

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      Er, you and I don’t need to ratify the Constitution in order for it to be valid. And that constitution contains a supremacy clause (it is the supreme law of the land) and makes treason a crime.

      You right-wingers fail every time.

      • 0 avatar
        manny_c44

        This article is ridiculous, VW is one of the best selling brands in the world and it has many fans, especially throughout Europe, why would the staff even pose this question?

        More seriously though I would ask the staff to consider at least a temporary ban on PCH, his trolling is relentless.

  • avatar
    Crosley

    Incredibly stupid.

    Isn’t stereotyping an entire group based on the actions of a few just another form of racism?

    So a few VW’s show an offensive sticker MUST mean VW is the choice of anti-semites everywhere.

    What a disgusting article. And I don’t even like VWs.

    • 0 avatar

      So writing a clickbaity headline based on someone’s chosen vehicle is worse than a novelty plate that glorifies the Holocaust? Good to know.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Mark, I think the point is that if you wanted to post something every time some jerk slaps something offensive on his car, you’d be putting up a lot of posts.

        I’m kind of enjoying this discussion, but does it really belong on this site? Good question.

  • avatar

    If we ban the confederate flag, we should get rid of our Stars and Stripes while we are at it. Lots of questionable acts performed under that banner. Nuking all those Japanese civilians, drone strikes, etc.

    • 0 avatar

      That’s an interesting perspective.

      • 0 avatar

        Sorry, it may be beyond the scope of an article about bumper stickers.

        I just mean no flag can hold up to the scrutiny of symbolizing only the worst acts it’s culture has perpetrated. Try it with the flag of any nation.

    • 0 avatar
      Robert.Walter

      Re. Nuking Japan:

      Fire Bombings 1945: 75,000–200,000 civilian deaths; roughly 1,000,000 displaced

      Atomic Bombings: Total: 129,000–246,000+ killed.

      Is there really a difference in the end result besides the time and shock factor?

      One would do well to remind oneself that both the Japanese and the Confederates were military aggressors and enslavers of men.

      • 0 avatar

        I definitely am aware of all that. I am uneasy with all civilian casualties. I know is an extremely complicated issue, likely too deep an issue to randomly discuss in comments section of a car site. Sorry for the potential can of worms. I will go back to wondering how Mazda thinks they will make the rotary engine viable again.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Except…the Stars and Stripes also have come to symbolize the establishment of the world’s first truly democratic republic, enshrinement of civil rights, the most successful iteration of constitutional government, unmatched technological advancement, and an unending effort to right the wrongs the country once did.

      What did the Nazi flag, or the confederate (lower case on purpose) flag ever symbolize in their countries’ short careers, aside from warmongering, racism, and eventually, defeat? Two separate peoples were truly led over a cliff under those two flags. Neither country did anything good for its citizens, or the world, until their hateful leadership ceased to exist.

      The Nazis and confederates never questioned the morality of their politics; Americans confront it, and talk about it, and debate it, and vote over it, every day. This tendency towards self-redemption is what makes us special. It doesn’t always work, but in most of the world, that kind of debate doesn’t even happen.

    • 0 avatar

      Wait… nuking the Japanese was the morally right thing to do. At least all the kids who were given a hammer and a mortar and told to hit the tip when they see an American did not get shot.

  • avatar
    ajla

    No, they are just the most annoying.

    I figure an anti-Semitic VW fan would blame the Holocaust on improper religion maintenance by the Jews.

  • avatar
    GanjaGreenF40

    I would love to have that license plate but then again I’m anti semetic so it would fit me perfectly. But I don’t own a vw, maybe I should

  • avatar
    JSF22

    Mark,

    You don’t know me , but I read TTAC daily and comment occasionally. Some articles are great, some poor; some interest me, some don’t. Same as everything else I read daily, including the NY Times and the Wall Street Journal. The regular commenters here are some of the smartest and wittiest anywhere, which keeps me coming back.

    Respectfully, I say this article is far, far beneath the dignity of a site that wants to be taken seriously. You had to know that. And you had to know the unproductive discussions it would elicit. Maybe including this one.

    Every car brand has owners who are wonderful people. Every car brand has owners who are cretins. I might observe that what is unique about VW is that — while the cars are so overpriced they tend to have a very high buyer demographic new — their values decline so much, so fast, that used ones aren’t purchased by anywhere near the same type of people. That brings what it brings.

    Still, no good excuse in my mind for TTAC to race to the bottom. Hope you take this in the constructive spirit in which I truly intend it.

  • avatar

    The masses have spoken and I will eschew this type of content in the future.

  • avatar
    JustPassinThru

    While this is clickbait and accelerant for a flame war, I actually find it interesting. It shows how many of the B&B, to use the term, merited or not…how many of them get their news and worldview from The Daily Show and Yahoo News; and how many have had some education.

    I’d say we’re in serious, serious trouble. But then, I already knew that.

    • 0 avatar
      Geekcarlover

      The two articles with the most comments are full of complaints about “click bait”, yet clearly you clicked on them.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I’m educated enough to know your arguments are completely false, and your confederate apologism is inexcusable.

      • 0 avatar
        JustPassinThru

        FreedMike is enslaved by ignorance.

        And cannot be bothered with facts.

        So…fine. No point in trying to discuss something with the willfully ignorant.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Alex, I’ll take passive/aggressive for 500!

  • avatar
    Jimal

    To everyone complaining about the clickbait nature of this article “ruining” TTAC. I would offer that it is YOU who is ruining TTAC. Every once in a while something happens that builds an audience around here, but inevitably it returns back to being dominated by a handful of regulars, who snipe back and forth and air their personal grievances in every. single. story.

    I’m also a regular over at Jalopnik, and I can’t remember the last time they had to post a story explaining their editorial philosophy or why so-and-so reader was banned. It is an almost annual event here at TTAC. And it isn’t because this is some higher brow website.

    • 0 avatar
      Kenmore

      We’re practicing for the retirement home.

      After last night Bert and Clara don’t get to use the dining room or TV lounges for a week.

    • 0 avatar
      Dave M.

      I think some people don’t realize you don’t have to click on any given link. But if you read the TTAC User Agreement, way down in item 214 it mentions that sometimes the site management may toss in an irreverent news or social item. If you object, you can always ask for a refund.

      I must be the only one who reads the User Agreements through….

  • avatar
    Hamilton Guy

    OK, I wasn’t going to chime in on this thread but justpassingthru’s comment that it was all about States Rights and not about Slavery and chastising others for ignoring historical truths. Well I pulled up South Carolina’s Declaration of Succession and guess how many mentions there were about States Rights? Zero. And how many mentions of slavery? Six and mentions of slaves? five. And looking at those five mentions:
    “The greater number of the contracting parties (to the US Constitution)held slaves”

    “The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves;by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.”

    ” Those States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of Slavery; they have permitted the open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.”

    Yeah sure it was all about States Rights.

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      There is a word to describe these Southern revisionist apologists: Idiots.

      • 0 avatar
        JustPassinThru

        “Idiot” describes someone who dismisses others with more-accurate information, as stupid.

        Facts ARE. You cannot show me any historical documentation for your assertion that it was slavery, not State sovereignty, which caused the war. It just IS…(stamps foot).

        • 0 avatar
          Pch101

          You haven’t cited any facts at all. Five minutes of reviewing Civil War secessionist statements makes it obvious that they were fighting for the “right” to own people.

          Aside from demonstrating your crippling lack of intelligence, I have no idea what you’re trying to accomplish.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            Logical fallacy.

            There are the particulars of whatever series of conflicts brought matters of State sovereignty into play; and then there was the act of declaring the sovereign States independent of the Union.

            Nonetheless the war was fought over State sovereignty. NOT about Slavery – which continued in several Union-sympathetic non-seceding States.

            Next you’ll tell me the Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves.

    • 0 avatar
      JustPassinThru

      You’re leaving a piece out – and for that reason we can’t follow you.

      What does the Great Compromise (and do you know the historical background to THAT? Apparently not…) have to do with the Civil War?

  • avatar

    I’d like people to stop using the term “anti-Semitism” and just use “Jew-hatred” instead. The terms anti-semitism and anti-semite were coined by a 19th century Jew-hater named Wilhelm Marr who thought it sounded more scientific and, no doubt, more genteel than Jew-hater.

    As for the question posed in the headline, I attend the Vintage VW Show in Ypsilanti every year (and have written about it here at TTAC) and I’ve never seen anything like it. This car was obviously parked at an event, not part of a car show. I doubt any VW show organizers would look favorably on stuff like that being displayed on the show field.

    Speaking as one of their primary targets, I have no problem with Jew-haters self-identifying as such. The Jew-hater driving this VW is identifying not just as a Jew-hater, by the way, but as an ignorant Jew-hater, to boot. I suppose he thinks that looks like German because of the umlaut, but Jew in German is Jude, without an umlaut. Or maybe he figures “Jude Brenner” wouldn’t get his point across, or he didn’t have enough characters to work with.

    There are lots of things that I like about living in the 21st century. One of them is that Jews have their own country now and Jew-killing isn’t quite the risk-free sport that it once was.

    I’m pretty sure that Mr. Juw Brner doesn’t know that if it wasn’t for Adolf Rosenberger, Dr. Porsche’s Jewish partner and backer, and Max Hoffmann (whose father was Jewish), who imported and distributed VWs and Porsches in the early 1950s, he likely wouldn’t be driving a Volkswagen.

    • 0 avatar
      Kenmore

      I think those are rock dots, not umlauts, so they’re exempt from German grammar rules and spelling. Mötley Crüe.

      They were only meant to lend an aryan flavor to metal bands marketed to abused and vengeful young white males who are now all dead or imprisoned anyway, impacting Pontiac’s last decade.

  • avatar
    cwallace

    Oof, let’s not trade Bertel’s lurid sexism for social discussions that are not what any of us come here looking for.

    We’re the “Best and Brightest”, and since Robert Farago’s days TTAC readers have enjoyed unique access to some serious auto business brains here in the comments sections. Let’s treat each other accordingly, and give a baiting topic like this the attention it deserves– none at all.

  • avatar

    There is no accounting for taste. I’m personally put off by “no fat chicks” and the hand symbol showing two pink-one stink I see occasionally. Really ? You’d put this on the outside of your car ?

    You can’t correlate the morons with poor taste and somehow morph that onto car owners as a group.

    Oh, and in Germany, there are many memorials to the holocaust. In the middle of the Berlin Technical Museum, there is a small train car, seemingly out of place amongst the other exhibits. It was “that” train car. Likewise, in town centers and other places, there is constant reminder. If you are ever in Berlin, the Topography of Terror is something you must see. They detail how the laws of Germany were, bit by bit, dismantled giving the Nazis the power they eventually had.

    Even the complex at Peenemünde, where the space race began with the V2, is brutally honest about how the first steps to space were sadly on the back of others.

    I agree…below TTAC standards…back to cars…

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    This whole thread just makes me sad.

    The EIC is the EIC and the “captain of this ship,” but there is a pretty vocal chorus of non-approval, and I see just a Bertel grade digging in of the heels.

    Can we please not return to the days of the Troll Polls and NSFW women of the Beijing car show.

    There have been some other…inconsistencies…to be polite, from what the EIC said the direction of this site would be, and what content would be published, and what has actually transpired.

    It is all kind of disappointing. This story is just click bait.

  • avatar
    dwright

    I wonder how many of the people busily virtue signaling in this thread and the last one don’t even bat an eye at a hammer and sickle sticker or a Che Guevara t-shirt.

    That being said, please report to Jack Baruth for Writing Clickbait 101.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      Not to mention that this totally took the steam out of tomorrow’s No Fixed Abode, which was scheduled to be titled “Granada: Better Or Worse Than Partial Birth Abortion?”

  • avatar
    Shortest Circuit

    Why the rear window? Was it too hard to get a “What six million?” plate holder?

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    Who the hell has time to click on every single article? Dollar to Donuts the whiners and snivelers don’t either. Not my site, not always my preferred content, especially “minivans”, who the heck cares?? And when Saab was circling the drain, I was *appalled* by constant, nonstop Saab articles, so I voted with my feet, and guess what, no more Saab articles!!!

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