Piston Slap: Time To Pounce on a Jetta TDI?

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

Stephen writes:

Hi Sajeev,

I’ve toyed with the idea of turbocharging a 2.sl0w just for giggles and TORQUE, but the quest has to make some sense economically, or else the finance minister will not approve. Then it hit me: just how LOW in price have those older dirty diesels gone, anyway? You know, the ones with that lovely 236 pounds-feet of torque.

In other words, can I just get the torque without the spending abyss and busting my knuckles? Small data-set wise, four-cylinder manual Jettas with 64,000 miles average a diesel premium of only $675. At that consideration point, say 2010-ish Jetta, there is no economy for the project and I could jump right into the lovely torque.

So my question to you, on behalf of Torque Lovers Everywhere: is it time to pounce on diesel?

Sajeev answers:

Sounds like making a 2.sl0w go fast(er) is a terrible idea. You are better off starting with a better Volkswagen TDI project, or doing a motor swap into said older Jetta. I’d rather have a MkIV Jetta TDI (1999-2006) anyway, as I showed its beauty in detail, and its TDI is a superior-ish platform — at least compared to the 2.sl0w in terms of performance upgrades.

I’d wait longer if you’re interested in a newer, “2010-ish Jetta.” They have the real connection to the scandal, and older ones are too depreciated to care about public perception of the brand. We still don’t know the extent of the fallout (i.e. the numerous city/ county/ state/ country level lawsuits for damages incurred, VW’s cost to fix current TDIs, etc.) and it’s impact on TDI resale value.

Perhaps there will be more used VWs pouring into the market, which means even more inventory and lower prices for diesel/torque junkies such as yourself. So wait several more months.

And while it won’t make MkIV Jettas any cheaper nor lower the barriers to entry of a LS4-FTW swap, that’s still what I’m bankin’ on, because if this can happen…

[Image: Volkswagen]

Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry…but be realistic, and use your make/model specific forums instead of TTAC for more timely advice.

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  • Tedward Tedward on Mar 31, 2016

    This is a really good submission. I've been getting this question a lot and I've been ducking a direct answer. Not bc I think registration will be a future problem, but bc it's almost impossible to predict where resale will go in the future. Fwiw I'm 100% sure it climbs eventually. The problem is you're looking down the barrel of future negative pr in the meantime. Unlike other current auto scandals this one is still getting some mainstream front page attention. A best case scenario is you buy one now cheap, vw removes a certain number from circulation, that removed number is sufficient to bring supply below demand. I won't tell someone to spend based on a best case though.

    • Pleiter Pleiter on Mar 31, 2016

      Historically, TDI was a several k premium over equivalent VW gasoline; some of that was trim, consumer electronics, etc not the motor. It seemed like VW marketing was holding the motor hostage by making people buy all of the filigree as well as the motor. But when I observe a few comparatives where the TDI was a hundred bucks LESS than their gasoline counterpart, it signaled a threshold-crossing of some sort. Hence the question to Sajeev.

  • FreedMike FreedMike on Mar 31, 2016

    Sure, a car that won't pass emissions without a huge reduction in performance, and may have issues getting registered, is a mad buy. Do it!!!!!!!!

  • ToolGuy I do like the fuel economy of a 6-cylinder engine. 😉
  • Carson D I'd go with the RAV4. It will last forever, and someone will pay you for it if you ever lose your survival instincts.
  • THX1136 A less expensive EV would make it more attractive. For the record, I've never purchased a brand new vehicle as I have never been able to afford anything but used. I think the same would apply to an EV. I also tend to keep a vehicle way longer than most folks do - 10+ years. If there was a more affordable one right now then other things come to bear. There are currently no chargers in my immediate area (town of 16K). I don't know if I can afford to install the necessary electrical service to put one in my car port right now either. Other than all that, I would want to buy what I like from a cosmetic standpoint. That would be a Charger EV which, right now, doesn't exist and I couldn't afford anyway. I would not buy an EV just to be buying an EV. Nothing against them either. Most of my constraints are purely financial being 71 with a disabled wife and on a fixed income.
  • ToolGuy Two more thoughts, ok three:a) Will this affordable EV have expressive C/D pillars, detailing on the rocker panels and many many things happening around the headlamps? Asking for a friend.b) Will this affordable EV have interior soft touch plastics and materials lifted directly from a European luxury sedan? Because if it does not, the automotive journalists are going to mention it and that will definitely spoil my purchase decision.c) Whatever the nominal range is, I need it to be 2 miles more, otherwise no deal. (+2 rule is iterative)
  • Zerofoo No.My wife has worked from home for a decade and I have worked from home post-covid. My commute is a drive back and forth to the airport a few times a year. My every-day predictable commute has gone away and so has my need for a charge at home commuter car.During my most recent trip I rented a PHEV. Avis didn't bother to charge it, and my newly renovated hotel does not have chargers on the property. I'm not sure why rental fleet buyers buy plug-in vehicles.Charging infrastructure is a chicken and egg problem that will not be solved any time soon.
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