By on December 2, 2015

2016 Nissan Titan XD in Arizona

I’m currently putting the Nissan Titan XD through its paces in Arizona. This new truck from Nissan is infinitely interesting to me for a multitude of reasons: mostly its 5-liter ‘Triple Nickel” Cummins V-8 and its no-man’s-land placement in the truck marketplace. However, what might be important to me might not be important to you, and vice versa, so we are going to do a Q&A before our review.

Tomorrow morning we will have Nissan Titan product planning manager Brent Hagan here on TTAC to answer any questions you send our way.

Hit the comments below and submit your questions. We are going to try to do a live-blog-style solution tomorrow, but we might not have time to implement it. If we don’t get it sorted in time, we will use the questions you submit on this post to answer as many as we can starting at 9:30 a.m. ET tomorrow.

Note: We definitely won’t have live blogging. If you have questions, make sure to post them here before tomorrow morning. 

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77 Comments on “Nissan Titan Q&A Tomorrow at 9:30 AM ET with Brent Hagan – Submit Your Questions Now!...”


  • avatar
    Odiemac

    Whats the curb weight, GVWR, and GCWR of a Titan with the Cummins?

    Whats the usable cargo capacity of a Titan with the Cummins?

    Is the GVWR over 8,500lbs, and will you report EPA fuel economy for those models even though you don’t have to?

  • avatar
    bball40dtw

    Why does your truck look like a Chinese F150 knock off?

    Is it really a 3/4 ton replacement when it only out tows the F150 and Silverado by 300-500 lbs?

    Where is the non-XD version?

    How much are you going to undercut the domestics by?

    Would you kill baby Hitler?

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      I’ve been asking where the non-XD version is from the very first day we saw the XD. Apparently it’s coming for ’17.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        So basically, it will get lost in the announcements of engine updates for the F150 and the roll out of the new SuperDuty and no one will care. I’m sure GM and FCA will have truck news to further bury any mention of the non-XD Titan.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      bball,
      Tow with one of the other Big 3 half ton pickups and see how long they last and how well they tow the recommended weights.

      The Titan will out tow them.

      Just because the manufacturer makes a claim doesn’t mean it is the bestest.

      The biggest, bestest, mostest, largest, quickest, etc’est doesn’t necessarily translate into the better of the vehicles.

      Why not ask, how well does the aluminium Ford wonder truck tow 11 000lbs compared to the XD Titan?

  • avatar
    FormerFF

    Why use a V-8 diesel when all the medium and heavy trucks in this country use an inline 6?

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      That doesn’t even make sense, the Kodiak used the 6.6 V8 as a step up from the 8.1L V8 gasser, and this isn’t towing near that much.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

        “Doesnt make sense”
        Your answer is the only thing that “doesnt make sense.”

        So, why to a lot of semi trucks have Inline 6s? Most semis do, just because some MEDIUM duty trucks like the F-650/F-750 have V-8 engines does not make his question invalid. I realize he said “all”, but clearly his point was the a diesel truck engine is quite common in Inline 6 form. Even the Cummins used in RAM HDs are Inline 6’s.

        Go pull the hood off a Peterbilt semi truck. I betchya it has a CAT, Cummins, or some other Inline 6 Turbo Diesel.

        • 0 avatar
          Drzhivago138

          No no, Hummer was actually right on this one. For its inteded use, the 5.0 V8 is better compared with the 6.6 than any I6 used in a semi.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          There’s nothing wrong with an inline 6, and I never said there was, but this isn’t towing 25,000 lbs, and wasn’t designed to do so in this application. Therefore it isn’t a fair comparison to put it against anything in the upper medium duty or Heavy duty classes. It still has gobs of torque, but now it’s (possibly) slightly more compact.

      • 0 avatar
        FormerFF

        It is entirely possible to get the desired amount of torque and power out of a I6 engine as there is from a V8. My question for Nissan is why they chose to use a V8 when an inline six is the standard for truck diesels.

        I’d ask the same question of Ford and GM if I could. I don’t see any functional advantage to adding the two extra cylinders, the second cylinder head, and the more complex intake and exhaust that the V8 requires. It may be that the V engine fits the engine bay better, or it may be that Nissan thinks its customers would prefer a V8, although the six doesn’t seem to have affected Ram truck sales negatively.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      This Titan is WAY better looking than the Ford F Series and should likely prove to be way more reliable, more importantly, also.

      It’s going to be interesting to see what happens to Ford as the F Series, responsible for as much as 86% of its global net profit, continues to carry a giant bullseye on its back, in terms of targeting by the domestic and import competition, has to fend off ever-increasing competition.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        DeadWeight – the tweener Titan XD may be biting off more than it can chew. Both Ford and GM have 1/2 ton pickups that can haul more than the Titan XD. Their max tow pickup configurations aren’t that far off either. Titan XD then has to contend with 3/4 ton HD’s that ALL can tow and haul more even before you slide a diesel under the hood.

        I do agree that Ford has to fend off increased competition in the marketplace.

      • 0 avatar
        Chocolatedeath

        DW..the Titan up to this point has not been a paradigm of reliability compared to the others. That would be the Toyota. Everything else is either average or below apparently depending on the trim level and engine options. I do however expect it to improve over its past iterations.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        Stop using that 86% number.

        Ford profits for 2015 have been driven by the Explorer, Edge, and Escape (mostly the first two) as much as the F-Series. That was especially true in the first two quarters.

  • avatar
    greaseyknight

    Whats the price?

    And what type of durability testing was done on the platform?

  • avatar
    RideHeight

    Dear Brent,

    As an important industry insider what’s your guess for the mystery panel-gap car the other day?

    Thank you,
    Ronson Ride-Height

  • avatar
    VW16v

    Will it have a floppy bed like a Tundra? Glad those great Nissan engineers didn’t try a put a cvt in their new pickup.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Will they fix the pricing? This needs to undercut the domestics to gain market share, and seeing as the domestics are trying to push the envelope, this is a good chance to hit them where they’re weak.

    • 0 avatar
      VW16v

      True Dat. GM and Ford have up to $12k off their mid range 4×4 models. They are the benchmark for all other pickups. Ram is doing well and the Tundra. Well it is a Toyota and it does not matter to some people what they build as long as it says Toyota. The rear end of a Tundra looks like the same rear end off a taco and they get 13 mpg. Nissan does not have that luxury of just the name for sales. They will have to build a lower priced truck with the a great build quality.

  • avatar
    XD Fan

    1) Why are XD tow/haul #’s so close to currently available half tons?
    2) Are there any plans to reduce XD weight in order to free up tow/haul #’s?
    3) Did the XD design implement diesel emission equipment changes that reduce intake, EGR, and sensor clogging over time?
    4) Does the XD require special oils and fluids?
    5) Any plans for an 8 speed auto transmission?

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      XD Fan
      As an example, get a new aluminium F-150 with it’s max tow rating and tow all day and night everyday until it fails.

      This XD Titan will still keep on keeping on.

      Also, with the additional weight it apparently is a dream to tow with in comparison to any half ton pickup.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

        That’s great how you used your time machine to tell us the future again! How sweet it must be to judge a truck so perfectly without ever having seen one.

        When I grow up, I wanna be just like Big Al/ss Troll from Oz!

        • 0 avatar
          Drzhivago138

          Hey now, if you wanna refute Al’s argument, go ahead. But name-calling just makes you look bad.

          To actually address the argument: Overlooking the fact that the Titan XD and the F-150 HDPP are not comparable vehicles, how can we be absolutely certain of the XD’s ability to “keep on keeping on”?

          (Not that I immediately doubt the Titan XD’s capabilities. I think it’ll do just fine for those that know exactly how to use it.)

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            We won’t know how durable the Titan XD will be for 3-5 years.

            Just because something is heavier does not mean it is going to be stronger or more durable. When diesels first started showing up in pickups the extra weight pounded the sh!t out of the front ends. The Cummins Dodge seemed to have the worst reputation for this. The extra torque was also hard on rear differentials and we all know about Dodge’s legendary transmissions.

            A heavy diesel pickup is not the end all be all. In the case of a HD masquerading as a 1/2 ton….. this isn’t entirely new territory.

            Chevy did it with their first crew 1/2 tons that came with the 6.0 gasser. A friend of mine had one. He went out and got a real HD a few years later.

            Dodge er Ram did it more recently with the megacab 1500 that was a down rated HD. A friend of mine has one.

            If it is such a great idea why doesn’t GM or Ram still sell those trucks?

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            If you’re talking about the 1500HDs, those were 2500s (non-HD) with a different badge.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            “If you’re talking about the 1500HDs, those were 2500s (non-HD) with a different badge.”

            A buddy had a 1500HD CC w/6.0 and my understanding was the main/only real difference between that and the 2500 was the frame. The 1500HD sits noticeably lower than the 2500 due to this.

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            A quick check of various forums says that the 2500 light-duty frame was the same as the 1500HD, so you may be confusing the 2500 and the 2500HD.
            I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that’s my understanding.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            I’m sure your correct. I was thinking when I typed that how I wasn’t even sure anymore what the difference between the 2500 and 2500HD was. Seems like the majority of GM 2500’s sold were/are HDs.

  • avatar
    skitter

    Can we have a BSFC map of the engine, and how did that affect your gearing and torque converter strategy?

  • avatar
    matador

    Question: What does this truck offer that a RAM EcoDiesel doesn’t?

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

      Really? The EcoDiesel is as weak as a new born kitten. This will be much more powerful and tow quite a bit more. Look at the Ram EcoDiesel specs. Very low towing capacity.

    • 0 avatar
      Carlson Fan

      “Question: What does this truck offer that a RAM EcoDiesel doesn’t?”

      True the RAM isn’t gonna tow like the Nissan but then it won’t offer the fuel economy you get with the RAM either. If this new Nissan diesel pulls the same/similar fuel economy numbers as the HD diesels from GM, Ford & RAM it seems like a completely pointless truck to me.

      Personally I’ll take the I4 baby Duramax in a Colorado or Canyon over the Nissan or RAM any day of the week. That truck accomplishes what a diesel should. Torque for towing almost 4 tons combined with exceptional fuel economy.

  • avatar
    xtoyota

    Will it PASS EPA and Calif. Regs ?????????

  • avatar
    Ryno98

    I wanted so badly to like this truck. But the specs were released and killed my hopes. Why would I buy this over the F150, aside from greater stability when towing heavy loads (since the Titan weighs like 3.5 tons)? The F150 offers more technology, more options, much greater rear seat leg room (have you seen rear facing car seats these days!), similar tow specs, greater payload, more modern looks (the Titan looks like a 2008 ford), AND I can get a Platinum for about the same price as a Platinum Reserve (assuming $60k as reported). I think Nissan lost sight of what actually sells a truck, and is just hoping the Cummins can bail them out.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Ryno98 – I agree 100%. I had high hopes for the Ram Ecodiesel but cargo ratings killed it for me. I had high hopes for this truck too but the small gas tank, 5.5 box and crappy cargo ratings have flushed any chance of me owning one down the toilet.

      The only new diesel that I like is the Colorado/Canyon. They have good cargo ratings at 1500-1800lbs and have decent tow ratings that don’t max out GCWR’s. The only negatives are price and interior space.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    1) Will it be available without two-tone, if so which trims? All images I’ve seen have reflected two-tone, not a particularly good look for this truck.

    2) Does Nissan plan for the dark gold metallic to be a up and coming color? Seems majority of pictures have featured that color – an odd choice it would seem for a truck.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      1) Yes, in all trims. Two-tone is standard on PRO-4X and Platinum Reserve, but both are available with a “Monotone Paint Package.”

      http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/2016-titan/configure/

      Also, I found out the S and SV (equivalent to Ford XL and XLT, or Chevy W/T and LT) come standard with a front bench seat. And there was much rejoicing.

  • avatar
    VoGo

    Why is the truck so overweight – is it a symptom of terrible product design, or was this a decision my your French overlords?

    Maybe rephrase to be more polite…

  • avatar
    colorover

    I assume the Cummins will have a regeneration cycle similar to the Ram Eco Diesel? If so does the truck provide indication when it is in a re-gen cycle so the driver knows not to shut it off?

    Also, does it come in men’s? Kidding

  • avatar
    WhiskeyRiver

    Mr. Hagan, why does this truck look like it just rolled off a Ford assembly line?

  • avatar
    gabby

    A few questions I’m curious to know.
    1. Why only a 7 inch screen all new trucks now have 8 to 9 inch touch screens.
    2. Why not reuse the big slide down rear window from the current titan? Keep a hint of the legacy of the current truck.
    3. Heated steering wheel option why is the the farthest place from the steering wheel. I’m in the north and looking at this option in my next truck.
    4. I like the integrated Gooseneck idea but it’s not for me. I have a 10k bumper pull trailer. Why can’t I get the tow package without this. I don’t want holes in the bed of my truck. I regularly fill it with material as well and those covers will just get in the way.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Does it have a solid front axle?
    What gear ratios are going to be available, I realize this is more comparable to a 1500HD but GMs 1500 axle ratios in the half ton trucks are pathetic.

    ~3:70 are highway gears, ~4:10 are acceptable, and anything above is icing.

    And what the heck is with the sports car windshield rake, that is awful to have to live with on a day to day basis, I’m having a tough time getting used to the rake in my 4Runner and it’s not that bad.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      The raked windshield is just par for the course in 2015+. The “Configure” thing on the website is mum on the rear axles, but I’d assume no less than a 3.73ish standard, with a 4.10 on the tow package. 4.30 would be great, but I’m not expecting it at all.

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    Why does the Titan XD have such poor cargo ratings?
    On face value on can say that the cargo capacities are good but not once one factors tongue weight. The worst configuration of the bunch is the Platinum Reserve 4×4. 10,608 lbs tow with 10% tongue weight means a reserve payload of 409 lbs.
    The plain jane “S” model 4×4 fairs better with a 2,004lb cargo rating but with a 12,038lb tow rating that leaves 800 lbs left over.

    The Titan XD crew 4×4 is basically good for two passengers with 409lb remaining if you do not put any gear in the cab or box. An adult male averages 196lbs and woman 160lbs.

    Why only a 67 inch box in the Crewcab truck?
    Makes no sense since Ford, GM, and Ram all have the choice between 5.5 and 6.5 ft lengths.

    Why did Nissan do a comparison to just the Ford 5.0 V8? (TFL Truck mentioned this)
    The Ford Ecoboost 3.5 litre V6 is Ford’s advertised tow rig.

    If you are targeting 1/2 ton trucks why build a truck that has a class 2b GVW?

    Where I live truck insurance is based on GVW class. That means I have to pay 3/4 ton insurance rates on a 1/2 ton capacity pickup. That makes no sense.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      Lou,
      How can the cargo ratings be poor?

      It’s like me stating a Frod F-250 with a 3 080lb cargo rating is poor because I want to tote 10 000lbs in the bed.

      How good is you F-150 with a 5 000lb load in the bed. It also has a poor cargo rating. Then add the FE from an EcoSuck engine and you have a great truck.

      You still are pushing that Ford load and tow mantra, give it up.

      It only means something if you want to know how much and what vehicle to purchase.

      Remember this is taking on the lighter end of the HD segment and the heavier end of the 1/2 ton segment.

      If you are worried about load and tow here’s link for a vehicle that might suit your needs.

      This truck even has a bull bar! and can tow an empty weight greater than a fully loaded trailer behind the bestest, mostest, biggest, largest aluminium wonder truck from Ford.

      And you can them in off road versions.

      http://www.trucksales.com.au/editorial/features/2014/feature-2014-volvo-range-44667

      The person looking at buying the XD Titan will be a well heeled middle class person with some horses and a big boat. The biggest payload in the bed might be a bag of 50, two inch, 8 gauge screws. You wouldn’t want to scratch the bed.

      This is a very large car/SUV alternative, not a truck in the sense of working out payloads.

      If you want that go and buy a decent N Series Izuzu.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

        So, does Nissan just fly you out to their proving grounds?

        More realistic: have you been into yout dads beer again? You know what that means when he gets home! Better hurry up and imagine more fake facts to support your eternal idiocy.

        • 0 avatar
          Drzhivago138

          You’re doing a great job actually refuting the arguments being made.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          Johhny Ford,
          Lou, is talking sh!t.

          He has no point other than big noting Ford’s.

          What is this truck for?

          It isn’t for a trucker.

          This XD will do what 90% of pickup buyers could ever expect from a pickup…..and it will pull as good mpgs as the 15.4mpg 2.7 EcoSuck.

          If this truck is that poor why does Lou own a old beaten F-150? Why does he not own a F-450?

          Let’s get real here.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Big Al – sheesh……. okay…… let me explain…… again…

        How can the cargo ratings be poor?

        Please reread my comment.

        A low cargo rating combined with a high trailer rating means virtually no left over capacity for passengers and gear in the truck.

        Relative to the competition the cargo ratings ARE POOR.
        F150 supercrew 4×4 6.5 box with HD cargo option is around 2600-2800lbs. An 11,000 lb trailer leaves 1,500-1,700lbs of capacity.
        A Chevy 1500 crew 4×4 with max tow is 1800-2,000lbs of cargo with a 12,000 lb trailer leaving 600-800 lbs of margin.

        All of the 3/4 ton HD’s can tow and haul more than the Titan XD.

        My point is about maxing out GCWR i.e. pickup and trailer combined maximum capacity.

        Who goes and buys a crewcab 4×4 pickup to tow 12k and leaves the truck totally empty of gear and passengers?

        The problem isn’t who is buying the truck but what they are going to do with it. This truck is being marketed as a superior alternative to HD 1/2 tons and light HD’s(3/4ton) for towing.

        If……. if as you say this truck will be used by “will be a well heeled middle class person with some horses and a big boat. The biggest payload in the bed might be a bag of 50, two inch, 8 gauge screws. You wouldn’t want to scratch the bed.” then this truck will die a lonely death.

        Why?

        F150 Platinum, F150 Lariat, F150 King Ranch, Chevrolet 1500 LTZ, Chevrolet 1500 High Country, GM 1500 Denali, Ford F250 Platinum, Ford F250 Lariat, Ford F250 King Ranch, Chevrolet 2500 High Country, GM Denali 2500, Ram 2500 Limited, Ram 2500 LongHorn and then there are the 350/3500’s and the F450.

        That specific market segment you are mentioning is rather crowded with trucks that beat it in virtually every metric including tradition.

        But hey, it will ride better empty.

        Oh since you want to say that this is going to compete with SUV’s, here are the cargo and tow stats on the reigning champion in that category…. the Chevy Suburban:
        pounds/kilograms
        2WD: 1682 / 763 (with 3rd seat)
        4WD: 1643 / 745 (with 3rd seat)
        Trailer towing maximum (lb / kg):
        2WD: 8300 / 3765
        4WD: 8000 / 3628

        I doubt that Suburban sales are going to tank in horse country once the XD hits the market.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          Lou,
          Again, what is the XD Titan targeting??

          I doubt the XD is targeting what you are describing.

          So, you need two litres of milk, do you complain because someone is selling one litre containers of milk?

          Is the milk of less quality??

          So, what is your point.

          If you require to carry 4 000lbs in the bed and tow a 10 000lb trailer would you buy a Prius??

          That has a poor cargo rating.

          Boy, go back to PUTC if you want to promote Fords. That site is full of people like yourself.

          Go out and buy a 2 man tent and complain because your family of four don’t fit.

          You can’t have a poor cargo rating.

          The cargo rating is not measurable as poor or any other way other than pounds/kgs.

          Also, look at the intended market of this pickup.

          Also, look at the ride in the short springs in the F-150 to carry the loads you speak of.

          Compromise must be made.

          I place far more credence in Fred Diaz and why he has sprung the XD Titan as he had done than you who must always “under” shop, then whine because your larder is poor.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @BagAl – “Relative to the competition the cargo ratings ARE POOR.”

            Yes you can have poor cargo ratings – Pickup trucks dot com tested a Ram Ecodiesel Laramie. They weighed it and the resulting cargo rating once GVW and tare weight was factored was 660 lbs. I bet a Fiat 500 is rated higher than that.

            This truck’s GVW is class 2b or 3/4 ton. The stripped version of this truck is around 2k. The bling version 1500. All 3/4 ton trucks are rated much higher.
            Most if not all F150 crew 4×4’s are around 1500.

            This truck has a poor cargo rating based on its GVW rating its tow ratings and Nissan’s stated purpose for existence AND AND all of the pickups it is intended to compete against.

  • avatar
    ravenchris

    Good luck in your endeavours Mr. Hagan.
    Can you tell us what the manufacturers maintenance schedule is for the engine, transmission and differentials? Please include filters, lubricant types and viscosities.

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    Is that an Armada rear end?

    Don’t I want full-floating axles?

    Why not NV 2500/3500 HD rear ends?

    Will there be King Cab and regular cab XDs?

    A long bed on a King Cab eventually?

    Don’t I want at least a 6.5 ft bed for a 5th wheel vs the XD’s 5 foot, 7 inch bed?

    Is the 8,800 GVWR mainly to exempt the XD from EPA fuel economy testing?

    Is its big GVWR only to offset the XD’s 6,700 lbs curb weigh and still have decent payload?

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      A semi-float vs. full-float rear is historically what seperated the light-duty 3/4 ton trucks from the HDs, and that seems to be the case here as well.

      That whole 5’7″ bed thing is really throwing me off. First I thought, “no, that can’t be right,” then I looked it up and yeah, apparently it is 67″. But it looks much longer than that, doesn’t it?

      At any rate, it’s possible to pull a 5th wheel with a short-short bed. Even with one of those sliding hitches, I still wouldn’t recommend it, but what do I know.

      There was a King Cab/8′ bed Titan in 2008 and ’09 (and, oddity of oddities, a crew cab/7′ bed on the same chassis through 2014).

  • avatar
    LeadHead

    What Aisin transmission is the truck using, and what kind of transfercase on the 4×4 models? Is it a chain-drive, or gear-drive case?

  • avatar
    Rocketman

    How long before they remove the ugly Cummins badge. Almost everyone who sees it thinks it is an eyesore. The small C on the Ram is much better. Actually, all of the Titan XD Logos are too big. JMHO

    Will the XD or the non XD ever have the Console shifter in it that I prefer?

    So far, reported mpg numbers from reviewers have not been very impressive. Is there any hope that real life numbers will be higher?

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    What is the commonality between this Titan and the Patrol, in particular the front end.

    Can a Patrol front steering setup be transferred and bolted on the Titan?

    Can the dash from a Patrol including steering be interchangeable?

    How difficult would it be to use a Patrol for a LH drive to RH drive conversion?

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Why has Nissan taken so long to match specs with the Ford F Series thus far, given the F Series so-so reliability and somewhat shoddy build quality, in terms of a full size, solid pickup competitor, powered by a variety of gasoline and diesel motors?

    Was this a political decision, as in not wanting to go after Ford’s cash cow, and possibly cause political repercussions?

    Thank you.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      DeadWeight – Fred Diaz was Ram’s head honcho when Ram and Nissan were working on a joint pickup. The Cummins 5.0 was going to be a Ram 1500 engine. All that fell apart with the Chrysler bankruptcy.

      If anything, Diaz has a ton of insider information about Ram. The Titan XD with Cummins is more likely to target Ram since they have the worst durability/build quality in the industry. If this truck is more durable than a Ram (not hard to do) then it will give customers loyal to Cummins an alternative.

      I also am willing to bet that Diaz has an axe to grind in relation to FCA.

      Unlike Big Al, I do not think this truck represents much of a threat to Ford.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        Lou,
        Ford F-250s are the biggest selling HDs.

        Many are bought as car/SUV alternatives for dad to tow his daughters horse to a gymkana and pony club.

        The following weekend he hooks up his 23 foot fishing boat to chase pelagics a little way off shore.

        Sometimes he will go to Lowes and buy 5 bags of chips for the lawn and drive to work everday.

        This truck isn’t a work truck as such. It’s like many light F-250 SuperDutys, with one big exception. It rides far better, handles much better and tows as well.

        He isn’t going to load the bed with 2 000lbs of copper wire he stole to take to the scrap yard and try to tow a trailer with 12 000lbs of gravel.

        He will have enough money to pay someone to bring the gravel in a dump truck.

        I was correct about quite a few recent trends in the US pickup market. I’m correct about this Titan as well.

        Nissan only need to sell 5 000 a month to impact the Big Three. Ford will lose a couple thousand pickups.

        This doesn’t include the lighter 1/2 ton gas Titan when it comes out.

        Nissan are planning on 150 000 Titans in total per year.

        I’d bet they are planning on at least 100 000 Frontier/Navaras a year.

        Someone will hurt because of this and Ford will lose out and I think Toyota with the Tundra will feel the effects more so than Ram.

        Ford didn’t play it’s best hand in the pickup market and have made some courageous decisions, or in your terminology “poor”.

        • 0 avatar
          Chocolatedeath

          Big Al..I must disagree with some of your statements. Firstly from what I can see (could be wrong) The Frontier and its kind are growing but I dont think that its at the expense of the Big 3 trucks. The whole segment got bigger with the GM twins and no one lost sale that I believe are directly related to the rise of midsize trucks, other than midsize cars.

          Lastly the two Big trucks that I think that will suffer most (all will as the over market for Big Trucks has slowed a little) will but Tundra and Ram sales.

          Thats my two cents. I have been wrong before and will be wrong again.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            Chocolatedeath,
            Thanks, my belief is sooner or latter the midsizers will start to eat into full size sales.

            I did predict the Colorado would take CUV/SUV numbers with a few lighter V6 NA powered pickups.

            As for the brands that will take the biggest hit with the XD I do believe the lighter F-250 will take the hit for a good reason.

            The reason is many of the lighter F-250s are sold for the very purpose this pickup was made, to have a pickup sort of handle like a 1/2 ton with the ability to tow a large trailer.

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    Scoutdude

    How many do you project you’ll sell per month/year?

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    Chocolatedeath

    My question is, will they be an updated Armada on this platform?

    Also what is the likely hood of an Hybrid?

    Will there be an Infiniti version?

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