By on November 9, 2015

00 - 1986 Lincoln Town Car in Colorado Junkyard - photo by Murilee Martin

Mr. Mehta, lover of all things Ford (except, apparently, the Lincoln Mark VI), was quite put out by my failure to include the “Sajeev’s Bitter Tears” tag in the 1980 Mercury Capri Junkyard Find post last week.

Not wanting to put him in a bad mood for the upcoming Houston 24 Hours of LeMons race, I have since retrofitted that post with the appropriate weepiness, and as an added bonus I photographed this amazingly Sajeevian Town Car in a Denver self-service yard.
13 - 1986 Lincoln Town Car in Colorado Junkyard - photo by Murilee Martin

The Cartier Series was the top Town Car trim level in 1986, making it the pinnacle of the Panther universe in that year.

31 - 1986 Lincoln Town Car in Colorado Junkyard - photo by Murilee Martin

This one has a digital instrument cluster, padded roof, Cartier emblems on the seats, the works.

09 - 1986 Lincoln Town Car in Colorado Junkyard - photo by Murilee Martin

For some reason, the front seats are cloth while the rears are leather. My guess is that someone swapped in some cloth LTD seats when the original leather Town Car ones went bad, but perhaps this was a weird factory option. Perhaps Sajeev will enlighten us about the details of the rare Nearly Velour™/Simu-Leather™ interior option for the ’86s.

There’s no danger of confusing the ’86 Town Car with some other Ford product, which couldn’t be said of GM at the time.

The word “quality” is heard many times in this ad. And, hey, today’s Junkyard Find lasted for 29 years!

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168 Comments on “Junkyard Find, Sajeev’s Bitter Tears Edition: Lincoln Town Car Cartier Series...”


  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    Nooooooo

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      I have much sadness this morning.

    • 0 avatar
      davefromcalgary

      *shruuuuuuuug*

      I likes me some old boxy cars but I dont get this one.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        I have a thing for all of the Lincoln designer edition vehicles.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          This one wasn’t ever a particularly good color combo. In this model, blue/blue or maroon/tan worked better in Cartier trim.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            I agree. I’d rather have a Mark IV Givenchy edition. Aqua Blue Diamond Fire paint. White vinyl roof. Aqua Blue leather.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Continental_Mark_IV#/media/File:1976_Lincoln_Continental_Mark_IV_Givenchy_designer_series_(front).jpg

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            Now that, bball, is slick. The car featured in this article, not so much.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Mmm pretty. Though I have always much preferred the full disc wheel covers (like on the Pucci one) as opposed to those turbines.

            Turbines have never read luxury to me.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            I don’t think the Mark IV Pucci has leather though. It gets some upgraded cloth.

            I think there should be more Aqua colored vehicles though. I wish I could order a current Conti in that Givenchy color!

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I do too, its a sickness.

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            We all have our sicknesses. Thankfully I dodged this one.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            The old man had a brand new Mark IV Pucci edition. Had the ‘gold’ name plate on the dash stating that it was ‘Custom Manufactured for him (or words to that effect). My all-time favourite vehicle and the first one I would put in my garage if I suddenly had an endless supply of money.

            It had the deep rich, plush, pillowy burgundy velour upholstery. Matched the deep paint and the interior plastic. Far, far superior to the leather upholstery in his business partners Mark IV.

            Just a blast to drive and ride around it. A real attention getter and back in the day considered to be just about the ultimate in luxury driving.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        With you, Dave. Don’t get Panther Love in any of its forms. For soft-driving American boats I vastly prefer the B-body.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Not even final gen Panther?

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            As I mentioned, the Marauder is the only Panther that appeals to me. Cant speak for anyone else.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Dave

            Does the Canadian gov’t hate firearms as much as I hear they do?

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            Maybe?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I would hope living in the Great Canadian Prairie and mountains one could have his choice of semi-auto rifle, pistol, and long rifle… yes?

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            No, by then the rest of the world had moved on too far. Whenever I got behind the wheel of a “Ultimate Edition” GrandMa rental car all I could think about was how much I’d rather be driving a Camry. I don’t own a cab company and I don’t need my vehicles to last 400,000 miles on nothing but a diet of window regulators and brake pads.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Other than the DOHC motor, I think those Marauder parts can be sourced and used on other Panthers.

          I’d rather turn Grandpa’s clean MGM or Townie into my own Marauder than risk buying a hooned out example.

          • 0 avatar
            davefromcalgary

            I just think the Marauder is peak-Panther from a looks perspective. And I don’t think a DIY Marauder would be worth it.

            Here is a rundown on what they did. Its a combination of GM and CV, along with some special touches like the bumpers, rims and exhaust. I think it would be too much work to try and amalgamate the required parts, and make it look right. Especially the smoked lights. From the factory, they should be still having the required FMVSS requirements for output and beam pattern, and aftermarket parts will be crap.

            “In the front, the Marauder shares most of its trim with the Grand Marquis; much of the rear and side trim is shared with the Crown Victoria. Both bumpers are unique to the Marauder; the rear features the model name embossed on the bumper and is redesigned to accommodate the larger MEGS tailpipe tips. The front bumper was redesigned for functional reasons along with styling differentiation; a central air intake was added to improve engine ventilation along with twin Cibié fog lamps.

            The headlight and corner light lenses (from the Grand Marquis) had their non-reflective surfaces blacked out and the grille was painted black with a body-color surround; the taillight and reverse light lenses (from the Crown Victoria) were dark-tinted to the minimum of DOT standards. Unique to the Marauder, the center caps of wheels featured a revival of a 1960s Mercury logo (a silhouette of the Roman god Mercury).”

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Wow all of that is extensive.

  • avatar
    RideHeight

    I think this is the Caddy everyone pines for.

    Volodymyr Palahniuk (Jack Palance) was 6’4″ and has pretty decent headroom. That’s how a sedan should be.

    What’s up with that nose-high stance in the 2nd video?

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      Funny, I noticed that too – my mind went “This one has an air suspension issue.” though I’m not sure these had air suspension yet.

      • 0 avatar
        RideHeight

        I kinda like it bodacious prow mocking any semblance of aero. Almost as extreme as a modern pickup.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          Well look at who they were marketing it to, in the first ad! Conservative sea captains and their shoulder-padded sequined wives. You’d NEVER see a car marketed to an elderly crowd like that today.

          Perhaps they had just finished at a Reagan fundraiser.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            They all thought Bush Sr was too liberal.

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            “You’d NEVER see a car marketed to an elderly crowd like that today.”

            Jebus, you’re right! That so snuck up on me these past decades I never noticed.

            The demo that buys the most cars gets absolutely no targeting in today’s ads. WTF?

            All we get are impossibly hip youngsters in skinny jeans; the women cast as “Moms” would more likely splash acid in their own faces than endure the distortions of childbirth, and the men wimpier than an Apple Genius and uniformly under 5’9″.

          • 0 avatar
            Lorenzo

            The demographic that bought these cars didn’t want to think of themselves as ‘old’. They wanted to be seen as rich and sophisticated.
            You can’t sell an old man’s car to the younger set, but you CAN (must) sell a younger(er) man’s car to the older set. At least market it as an “I’ve Made it” car, even if it actually IS an old man’s car (to many).

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I’d rather hang out with older people who dress nicely and have dignity, than younger loud people who want to do Snapchat at dinner and talk about mountain bikes and PBR and Facebook.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Corey

            In my view this world is fracked beyond belief once the Boomers in charge suddenly die off en mass in a relatively short period in say fifteen to twenty years. I don’t think Gen X has a full grasp of things bc Boomers won’t relinquish control and Gen Y outnumbers them while managing to being more incompetent as a whole. Your future leadership will be a mix of X and Y, IMO. I already see early Y in lower leadership positions which they are struggling with as the employees are older than they and resent them (saw it in my last job). I’d love to see some odds on the chances of missiles flying fifteen to twenty years down the road, if not sooner. Long a post apocalyptic future.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Sounding pretty grim there!

            At my company it seems there are largely Boomers and Y’s in charge, while X was skipped over. I see Y’s in charge of older people in their departments and there’s deep resentment there, visibly.

            That’s what happens when you’re of a generation which refuses/is unable to learn computer skills. There’s only so much management that can happen with a “green screen terminal” type of knowledge! A gen Y can learn that mainframe method in two weeks, AND knows how to use modern computers as well.

            As the older people look over longingly at the Selectric II in the corner, and b!tch about their 29 year old manager.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I hope I’m wrong but I think it will be something along those lines. I’m not sure what happened with Gen X but I am here to tell you 30 and under on average does not have the life experience to lead itself out of a paper bag. I could see ex military or those who started working at 18, but I don’t see “I stayed in school till I was 27 bc life is too scary and here is my participation trophy” having any leadership skills.

            Who’s the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?

            Additional: I’m not sure what’s going to happen with the $100T of unfunded entitlements and other untenable welfare, but I think the student loan bubble is almost more threatening economically. Push comes to shove, they can screw with SS/SSDI age payouts, drop off worthless people/non-citizens and kick the can some more (did you know depression was a qualified SSDI “disability”?)… or hell just not pay bc after all it was a TAX and a CON not an actual retirement program. Student loans though wrecked an entire generation, it literally limits the birth rates and life choices of everyone NOT on welfare. Fiat is just paper and can be copied, you can’t print a next generation. Oops… or maybe by design…

            I’m hoping the robots can come sort things out, or at least help me kill those responsible for our ills.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I feel lots better about not behaving like the majority of my generation every time it comes up. For the few who avoid the pitfalls the 27-year-old student type falls into, it becomes easier to stand out.

            I think these exceptions in gen Y are good “generalist managers” as a woman terms it here. Prior focus (at least here) was on the older, very narrow-scope managers, and it turned out for the worse later.

          • 0 avatar
            mchan1

            Having been there in the business world trench and in businesses that I’ve seen, as a consultant, Gen Xrs are skipped over BECAUSE of the Boomers while Gen Y are slowly given more opportunities than Gen Xrs >:(

            Many media studies basically show that the Boomers consider the Gen Yrs more like their kids, so that’s some screwed up thinking right there!

            Can anyone say “Entitlement Syndrome” or “PC” attitude that’s gripped America?

            The Boomers are staying longer in their jobs instead of retiring so advancement is limited until they leave or die!

            The Gen Y has “entitlement” issues and it shows esp. when they have to ‘manage’ “OLDER” workers.. i.e. those younger Gen Y managers have NO (or limited) work experience and people experience. All they basically can do is technology-related stuff and that’s NOT saying much!

            The ones who got Totally screwed over is Gen X, trapped between the Old Boomers and their Entitled offsprings, Gen Y/Millenials!

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            “…I am here to tell you 30 and under on average does not have the life experience to lead itself out of a paper bag”

            I think you are being too generous. I think it is more like 35 and under, barring people with military experience.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            We’ve got 70+ year olds working here in senior management. Their knowledge base is huge because of 40+ years experience, they are still enjoying their work, and nobody wants them to leave!

            “Many media studies basically show that the Boomers consider the Gen Yrs more like their kids, so that’s some screwed up thinking right there!”

            There are many moms around here. Many.

            I will say that gen X seems -unwilling- and inflexible when it comes to new things at work. The Boomers created the modern work system and are towards the top, so they don’t have that issue, and the gen Y kids have grown up with modernity and are naturally flexible.

            Some gen X person is gonna come here and start yelling soon.

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            I wish my favorite Ys would get their effing obesity under control.

            It kills me to see these kids courting diabetics’ boots. They’re otherwise super people.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            “We’ve got 70+ year olds working here in senior management.”

            It’s called “Corporate Knowledge”, similar to Carnal Knowledge because those old dudes and dudettes know how to screw you.

            I know several 70-plussers in MY area who, after retirement, are coerced to do a little part-timing to help out the hired help.

            To wit, my friend the retired plumber from New Jersey and my friend the retired electrician from NYC.

            They bring a finesse to the job that the new kids just can’t match. And they ain’t doin’ it for the cash money, although that is nice too.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Corey

            I have met a few people from your generation whom of truly impressed me, yourself included, but mostly I want to hurt them. My argument comes from the fact most of these kids are just mildly brain damaged. I blame the mercury in their booster shots, my understanding is the formula changed somewhere around 1984 or 85.

            “I think these exceptions in gen Y are good “generalist managers” as a woman terms it here.”

            What a load of horse sh*t.

            “I will say that gen X seems -unwilling- and inflexible when it comes to new things at work.”

            I’m sure those Adderall ladled kids are flexible. FWIW technology stopped improving around 2008-10 and has gone at least partial if not full retard since then. This is right around the time these kids finally left school after seven or eight years with still not a whiff of the real world.

            Coincidence?

            TOMMY: You know a lot of people go to college for seven years.
            RICHARD: I know, they’re called doctors.

            @mchan1

            Might be true, and if it is X will have to step up and right the ship. I’m bearish on this actually happening.

            “All they basically can do is technology-related stuff and that’s NOT saying much!”

            I work in this now, its going to hilarious when the music stops in the tech world. New dot com bubble burst? EMP? Solar flare? So many major events to choose from, so little time.

            If you’re really interested, the whole Boomers won’t go home thing was predicted (and recommenced) in a 2007 book called 70: the new 50 by Wm Byham PhD (I have it on my book pile). Both you and Corey should check it out if you’re really interested.

            @hdc

            I don’t lump in my brother with the Y lot nor any of his friends. They aren’t perfect but they are not idiots unlike later children. Gen X should probably be formally extended to 1984/5.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            @HDC Absolutely, they remember things from 1989 that everyone else has long forgot. I don’t mind working with them at all, they’re kindly and not threatened by an efficient younger person because of their position and distance to retirement. They aren’t computer literate because they’ve always mostly had a secretary, but I end up doing that part anyway. Just easier.

            Often when ours do retire, they’ll consult on a PT basis for a couple years, make a few hundred grand more before they move to FL.

            @28 86! Til 86! Thanks for the compliment.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            28-Cars-Later, I agree. There are always exceptions.

            I am truly impressed by my Gen X kids and what they were able to accomplish in, and with, their lives.

            Maybe that is because their peers are still working inconsequential jobs, while my kids were hammered by both my wife and I to develop a work-ethic.

            Maybe it is because my wife and I sent them off with a leg-up on their peers, or maybe it was because of the military/war influence on my three sons, and the loser that my daughter married.

            Regardless, leaders are made, not born, and we each are the product of our life’s experiences.

            —————————–

            CoreyDL, some of those “Legacy Systems” were durable and still in use today, like McGraw Hill and PeachTree Accounting systems our business still uses, or the Novell client-server system, or the Evergreen486/Equinox MSM database system we still use alongside all things Internet.

            Ditto with management practices. As with many things in business, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” Often that means holding on to the oldies to keep things running smoothly.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Wait, they had secretaries?

            I want a secretary. WTH. Reality Bites indeed.

            @corey

            You’re welcome. I’ll have to check with the manager on 1986 though.

            Additional: I had another thought, our boomer friends are the ones who insist on those awful fake utility vehicles with no real utility right? I think they lose the privilege of vehicle choice from here on out for punishment of wrecking the world handed to them on a silver platter. You people will get visibility and like it else its off to the home with the lot of ya.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            I’m a Gen X/Y (December 1983 birth) manager who manages Boomers, Gen Xers, and Gen Yers. The Gen Yers will be fine. They are just becoming “adults” later. Some of my best employees are under 30.

            I was also in the military, but I don’t consider it necessary or something that helped me with life skills. It taught me how it kill people.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “It taught me how it kill people.”

            This IS a life skill.

            Additional: Do you know anything about the DM’s role?

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            DM?

            District Manager?
            Designated Marksman?
            Doritos Maker?
            Dinosaur Masturbator?

            If it’s designated marksman, then yes.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Designated Marksman role. I still have much more practice to do with my M70 and have a few lever rifles but I wanted to buy additional training on a longer range weapon (something like a DM would carry). I would default to M1A but my bro is trying to push me toward a custom built AR with an 18in barrel and a heavy load of 5.56.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            There are all kinds of DM rifles. In my unit, the DM used a Mk12 SPR. It’s basically a heavily modified M16. The AR would be a good platform to start with.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_12_Special_Purpose_Rifle

            A buddy of mine that is still a high speed, low drag, Dedicated Infantry Combat Killer uses an FN SCAR. He’s a man in a tan beret, and killing is how he earns his pay.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Thanks. I think the local FN dealer wants something like $2,800 to start for a SCAR. I thought Sig 556 Classic with a new/longer barrel but as bro points out it weighs 2lb more than an M4 as it is (I also think he said the AR is more accurate). His thought was have someone build an AR and precision parts for roughly $2K. I also kinda want something like a Remington 700 chambered in .308 but his thought was buy the AR before its banned.

            My father was a qualified marksman but instead of standard infantry manned a gun on a Chinook in his Vietnam tour. I have only basic rifle training but would like to get up to a marksman’s level in the future. I suspect one day I will need it. It recently occurred to me the so called Third World War all of the nutters think NWO is pushing will not be nuclear but instead civil strife. We’re seeing such a thing unfold in Europe before our very eyes.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Corey, I’m somewhere on the edges of X (39) and I’ll happily yell at you. I find it’s the young baby boomers (now in their early 50s), not the people my age, who are reluctant to adapt.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Well, if you ever need a machine gunner, I have extensive M249 SAW experience and know how to clear a room.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Wolverines!

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            After everything I’ve seen, the most terrifying things to me are various examples of US airpower. AH-64 Apaches used to scare the poop out of me at Fort Benning. They will pop up on you out of nowhere. A-10s and AC-130 gunships are also completely terrifying. The current AC-130 Spooky has a 25MM Gatling cannon, 40 MM cannon, and a 105 MM Howitzer! They have some AC-130s that have hardpoints with Hellfire/Griffin missiles and small diameter bombs.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            He who controls the air will control the ground by proxy.

            My father told me about the AC 130 gunships in Vietnam. Spooky indeed.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Some of the infantryman’s best friends are the AH-64 and A-10. When you really need somebody, and ol’ Warthog shows up, you instantly feel better. Somebody else is going to feel much worse though. By the time you hear the roar of the A10s cannon, it’s already too late for Abu and Omar.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            They were too worried about Allan’s Snackbar in any event.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Haha, took longer than I thought for an X to show up! I think you’re an exception, since you’re fringe generation.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            My birth year (1976) was the demographic nadir.

            Sure made getting into college easier. On the minus side, everyone’s either an old fart or a young immature idiot.

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            …….boomer friends are the ones who insist on those awful fake utility vehicles with no real utility right? I think they lose the privilege of vehicle choice from here on out for punishment of wrecking the world handed to them on a silver platter……

            Wrecking the world handed to them on a silver platter? That was a joke, right?

          • 0 avatar
            nickoo

            @28-Cars-Later

            >generation X should be formally extended to 1984-85.

            As someone born in ’82, I 100% agree. Everyone I know from my age group from today and from growing up is nothing like the typical gen Y stereotype you see in the media. I guess I’d have to get out more to meet people a decade younger than me to see if they really are “that different”.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            dal20402, 1976, same year my daughter was born.

            And the reality of today’s real world has caught up with her.

            Nickoo, Gen X and Gen Y are different, in many ways — too many to list here.

          • 0 avatar
            dolorean

            “‘You’d NEVER see a car marketed to an elderly crowd like that today.’

            Jebus, you’re right! That so snuck up on me these past decades I never noticed.

            The demo that buys the most cars gets absolutely no targeting in today’s ads. WTF?”

            Mentioned this a few times before. When Scion first came to roost, their marketing was for a ~26 yr old white male demographic who was unemployed, lived in his parents basement or lonely studio and played in a garage band.

            Obviously this isn’t a demo that shops or buys for new cars. However, 40+ yr old well-employed with families males who WISH they could be that guy again, is the actually the target audience and bought the car in droves.

            It’s been the scheme of manuever for advertisers ever since.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Two things:

      1. Jack did well by his name change.
      2. One of my close friends is from Hazleton, PA, the city of his birth. Today its a dump.

      • 0 avatar
        olddavid

        28 – No.1 gets full marks for humor from me and I am glad to see the logo back.

      • 0 avatar
        lemko

        My Grandpop went to high school with Jack Palance: Hazle Township H.S. Class of 1938. Jack Palance was from a little patch town outside of Hazleton called Lattimer. True about Hazleton, it has definitely turned into a ghetto. It was invaded by the dregs of big cities like NYC, Newark, and Philadelphia and illegal immigrants about 20 years ago and has been on a steep downward trajectory ever since. The surrounding towns like Freeland are not much better.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I was told it was an old coal town which simply went bust. Verity left in 1999 to come to school in Pgh and had seldom been back despite her parents still being there.

      • 0 avatar
        NoGoYo

        I can back up that second point, I’ve been there.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Well the vinyl top certainly held up well, it is hard to believe the leather wasn’t as well treated by the owners.

    I love that commercial where Ford blasts GM for all their upper level sedans looking the same. Reminds me of the Fletch movies where Fletch (Chevy Chase) asks – “So how do you like your new Oldsmobuick?”

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    That beautiful Lincoln grill of the 70’s to mid 80’s, plush velour seating, Cartier analogue clock (in most 70’s to mid 80’s Lincolns and ‘wood’ trim on the dash all spell out ‘Luxury’ to me. Add in a Ford 460 cid engine and you have a true luxo-cruiser. Although I still prefer the sedan circa ’75 and nothing beats a Mark IV.

    And Clarkson et al are doomed for eternity for their blasphemy regarding these cars!

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      I don’t blame Europeans for not “getting” this sort of car. The only similar cheaper large “luxury” cars they would have over there at the time would equate to a large Rover (awful) or a BL Jag (awful) or perhaps an Austin (awful) or Vauxhall (same).

      These Lincolns et. al. are a very American thing. Large lanes, open space and straight roads, flat country. England has none of those.

      And there are other Europeans (not British people) who DO get it, and do like this sort of car. Look at Vojta, and those events he goes to. All full of big American stuff.

  • avatar
    Mike

    Not just Sajeev’s bitter tears.

    I used to have one of these in base trim – Dark blue, with blue velour interior. I miss that digital dash. The ’99 Town Car I bought to replace it, just isn’t the same…

  • avatar
    Zackman

    The only thing I liked about these was the little vent windows in the front doors that rolled down.

    Not sure if it did any good, but for those who smoked, I suppose it was a handy way to flick off ashes!

    I wonder if having those opened on the highway whistled like Dixie and drove a driver crazy?

  • avatar
    krhodes1

    What do you call 100 old Lincoln Towncars in a junkyard?

    A good start!

    Please tip your waitress!

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    The guy in the ’84 ad looks like the puppet from Saw.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Also, there really was a big improvement with the GM versions in 91 as far as size and styling. Was GM asking the same money for their downsized cars as Ford was for these huge Lincolns?

    Not that I’d turn down a pre-91 Ninety-Eight Touring, cause I wouldn’t.

    • 0 avatar
      55_wrench

      @Corey,

      Back in the day we test drove both a ’82 TC and an ’84 98 Regency…and ended up getting the Olds.

      All you could get in the Lincoln was the 302 in California and it had the throttle response of an oil tanker.

      The 98 with its 307 wasn’t much better but at least it felt better sorted out from a driver’s perspective.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        So were you allowed at that time to purchase a car in another state and just bring it back to CA? Or did they not allow that due to their rules. I’ve read before about the awful CA-only Corvette.

        Never cared much for that square look on the early 80’s 98. Front and rear didn’t mesh well to my eyes. Styling advantage – Lincoln!

        • 0 avatar
          55_wrench

          Yes, it’s possible to bring in a car from outside, not sure of today’s DMV requirements, but back then (early 90s) there were so many big sedans running around that we had plenty to choose from.

        • 0 avatar
          Lack Thereof

          You cannot bring in a new car from out of state, but you can bring in used cars so long as they have at least 7500 miles on the odometer.

          I’m sure there were certain dealerships in Reno Vegas and Yuma who specialized in 10,000 mile used cars for California customers.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            You absolutely can bring in new cars from out of state, it just has to be CA emissions compliant and CA is not the only state that requires CA emissions. Additionally dealers of many mfgs can order CA emissions complaint vehicles if they are in a boarder state. For example the huge Dodge/Ram dealer in ID stocks CA compliant vehicles because they do a lot of their business with WA residents and WA requires CA compliant vehicles if they are 2009 MY or newer.

            I’m also not that sure about bringing in non compliant vehicles that were just purchased. The last I looked you had to live in another state, own the vehicle for a certain amount of time and move to the state to bring in a non compliant vehicle.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            No, vehicles do not need to meet California standards if they are more than two years old and have at least 7500 miles or if you are moving there from another state where it is registered.

            https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

            The law is designed to keep the natives from importing new cars that don’t meet emissions standards, not to keep every car out.

  • avatar

    NOOOO MY TEARZ R BURNNNING MY FACE!!!

    That said, I am intrigued at how they reupholstered the front seats: terrible fabric, but still the same seats. Has the Cartier unique seams/stitches.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      I wanna say starting in 88 they had much nicer looking seats, with actual shape to them which would imply some thigh and leg support?

      • 0 avatar

        You are probably referring to the signature series seats, which were pretty awesome. Those are Cartier specific seats and they were almost as comfy, without being overstuffed. Classy like that.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          You’re right, I was!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUEwLyq-2U

          Don’t watch!

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Now you need a period Lincoln to go with your period Cadillac.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I wouldn’t mind one. Every time I see an old Lincoln it has too high miles and is already missing bits, though.

            But you were surely suggesting like a 93 Continental or something, amirite?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “But you were surely suggesting like a 93 Continental or something, amirite?”

            I don’t hate you that much.

            Additional: Here is the thing with Lincoln of the say MY83 to 93 period. Excepting the D186 Conti, Mark VII LSC H.O., and the Mark VIII, so much potential but m’eh out of the bag at this point whereas the middle of the period was the height of Cadillac post 1980. So the 5.0 Townie can be kept going till the AOD gives up, but in MY90 its 150hp and does 15/25 if you’re lucky this former owner will till you. The Fox Conti can be wicked, but not in stock form at 130bph/230? ft-tq. The Bill Blass Mark VII is in the same place as is the MY83 Mark VI. Whereas the Cadillac being wrong wheel drive is about at its peak, what else can do you to it? A 3800 conversion? About the same amount of power. Even if Northstar were an option, most of the earlier Cadillac platforms can withstand it, they just weren’t built for it. Aside from some mad science in the garage on a Lincoln the period Cadillac is probably a better choice depending on condition.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I do kind of like the Conti after they made it all pointy-face to match the Mark. Too many probs with those to bother, though.

            I think I’d have a tidy 4.9 Sixty Special to replace the deVille before I go after a TC.

            How much do you think it’s gonna cost me for a new brake master cylinder?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I like it too but its still a big Taurus with known issues and wrong wheel drive. Cheap enough maybe its worth dealing with, maybe. The RWDs give you options the D186 or FWD C/K/G don’t.

            If the master cylinder is generic GM of the period, not so much. But then again mine in the W-body was 2 or 300 just for the part because frack you.

            Look into just getting seals for it because I imagine it needs them and not necessarily replaced. GM of the period may have still made a kit.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Thanks, I will ask me mechanic when I give them a call today. Surely they have some knowledge of such a common vehicle. Going to have them do and oil chg and the fuel filter and check out the spark plugs as well. Though records indicate plugs should only have 40k on them.

            BTW if it weren’t N*, I’d have a 97-99 K deVille. Always liked that style and the revamped interior. Particularly the 50th Anniversary Edition. I know you like the earlier pointy one.

            Suppose I could search one out at some point that had fixed N* already.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Summit has a reman master cylinder and brake booster for $157.97.
            wasn’t even aware the Deville had a brake booster.

            http://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/master-cylinder-and-brake-booster-assemblies/make/cadillac/engine-size/4-9l-300

            O’reilly has just a master cylinder new for 46 bucks:

            http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/OBH1/NMC2688/01292.oap?year=1991&make=Cadillac&model=DeVille&vi=1025716&ck=Search_01292_1025716_-1&pt=01292&ppt=C0066

            Rock auto has a MC repair kit for $12.36

            WAGNER MK113429 {#F113429} Brake Master Cylinder Kit Info
            Flag indicates this part fits vehicles sold in the US Market. It does not indicate where the part was made — manufacturers produce parts in multiple factories worldwide. Flag indicates this part fits vehicles sold in the Canadian Market. It does not indicate where the part was made — manufacturers produce parts in multiple factories worldwide. M/Cyl Repair Kit 1-1/8″ – w/o ABS – EXC commercial chassis; Base Model [Wholesaler Closeout — 30 Day Warranty] (Only 3 Remaining)

            http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?carcode=1025716&parttype=1840&ck%5BID%5D=0&ck%5Bidlist%5D=0&ck%5Bviewcurrency%5D=USD&ck%5BPHP_SESSION_ID%5D=efmh8ljbfe3lqm5bkiptuntlj5

            Talk to the shop about the best option. 28CL sez repairing the factory part is probably better than using Shanghai grade parts or even reman.

            “Suppose I could search one out at some point that had fixed N* already”

            Frack Northstar. You really, really, don’t want this unless its free. My kingdom for a method of swap, I understand after 96 or 97 its just not possible to swap a 3800 due to the fuel system or something to this effect. Oh and also I think the whole exhaust setup changes in MY94 bc of Northstar and becomes more complicated (even when 4.9 is hooked in). You prob have a single exhaust and single muffler right? K.I.S.S.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            You’re right, you’ve put me off N* entirely now, ha.

            I tried telling my dad this weekend the brake master cylinder was the bit with the reservoir on it. He’s like “No, it’s the big cylinder against the firewall there, you’re looking at just the little reservoir thing.” I am vindicated!

            Oh PS. Seems like prior owners kept the important records where they had something fixed, and threw away the records like oil changes and tires.

            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FIlWnKn94TprWzxHw_0bxNinV19JzKVwN6cmrRO65hM/edit?usp=sharing

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            Now that’s a nice, family-friendly n-word we can all enjoy.

            You boys sure play well together!

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            LOL

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            This purchase gets better and better.

            1/27/1999 38387 Oil leak rt. front wheel – unconfirmed, tire rotation, repl leaking rear brake cylinder, transmission gasket replace – leaking, rear brakes replaced

            This is the most important entry in my opinion.

            Oh and also its had two A/C relays. What are the odds it will need a third at some point?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I hadn’t looked over all the service paperwork before buying, since it was A) dark out and B) a folded mess of receipt papers. But I was glad to see the transmission service there.

            The AC is currently inoperable, when you turn it to Auto it switches back to Econ immediately (no compressor start attempt) and it lights up “SERVICE AIR CON” on the dash. So probably a relay or it’s low on R12. Didn’t look into that part yet, wasn’t sure I wanted to fix the AC before a winter anyway.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            Do not do anything other than a 100% new master cyl. They are aluminum and the bore wears out usually before the rubber bits. So putting a kit in your will probably be futile as well as being more expensive and the reman units will usually fail in a year or two.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            A valid point, thanks. My dad told me he had one go out on any of his cars ever, an 85 Regal.

            I said it was probably the same part as in this car.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            MY93 may have switched to R134, check. My understanding in the mid 2000s is R134 could be run in an R12 system even though this wasn’t recommended. Talk to a shop, R12 used to be $$$ maybe it isn’t now. I would put a relay in for S&G since this car likes to chew them.

            @scoutdude

            I had not head this on an alum master cylinder, where did you?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            There’s actually a GM pamphlet that came with the car detailing what was about to happen with the change from R12 to R134. The requirement from the govt was not until some day in 1995. Per edmunds or somewhere, it has R12 in it (checked the first day to find out). I bet they waited until all the new cars in 94 to put it in there.

            I think there’s enough R12 around and the FRIGD replacement version to make it more economical than it was in the late 90’s.

            EDIT: You can mix this replacement stuff in with whatever R12 is left, apparently and it’s fine. $10

            http://www.amazon.com/Enviro-Safe-R134a-R12-Replacement-Refrigerant/dp/B0081T3PP4

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Volvo did it in MY93, I wasn’t sure on Cadillac.

            You have to remember the E-body came out for MY92, I’d almost expect them to do it as new models came out but then again a flat year may have made more sense.

            FUN FACT: The Volvo 850 (FWD) used a GM compressor and I believe whole HVAC system whereas the RWD Volvos did not (at least until later if they did, my ’93 200 does not)

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Yeah, I bet the new E did have the R134. Since they designed that with the future in mind, and with the revised systems present for N*.

            I bet that was one of the more reliable bits on the 850, ha.

            Car goes in Friday at 1:00 and they’re going to see what it needs. Told him about the cylinder, he said well we’ll look at it, make sure we don’t overdo it.

            “I’m kind of curious to see what you got.”

            “It’s a 93 DeVille.”

            “Oh man…”

            “4.9, not Northstar!”

            *laugh from his end*

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            The service AC message is almost certainly due to being low on refrigerant. The computer monitors the signal after the pressure switch that is used to cycle the compressor. If the pressure is too low the compressor will not engage and the message will pop up. It will also do it if the level of the refrigerant is low enough that it causes the compressor to cycle off too quickly.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            This thread might interest you.

            http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-deville-1985-2005-including-1985/24131-r12-r134a-retrofit.html

            Oh and according to this all Cadillac when R134a in MY94 but models before used R12.

            http://www.techchoiceparts.com/refrigerant-and-oil-capacities/cadillac

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            @Scoutdude Thanks, maybe I’ll have them check for leaks while it’s in.

            @28 Funny I had located that thread already. But it was all written -before- that product I cited had come around. I’ll bet a bit of chemical development with regard to environmentally safe stuff has happened in 11 years.

            I’ll have to look at it to see if I can tell if it’s been converted. I don’t think an old guy would drive it with no AC around Ohio and Florida.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Florida maybe but in Ohio maybe that’s part of the reason it became disused in the first place. R12 systems were superior to R134 ones, as long as their was coolant it would have worked but if its gone it may be why it was sold to you. Ordinary people don’t want to screw with it so they dump the car.

            “I’ll bet a bit of chemical development with regard to environmentally safe stuff has happened in 11 years.”

            F that, do what works.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            It was sold because the old guy died! Stopped driving altogether in 2010, kept it in his garage under a cover at his house until death. Son didn’t want, so gave to guy I bought it from. He was letting old man’s house go back to the bank.

            Lol I don’t care about environmentally safe, I just meant that replacement R12/R134 can be put into either these days, without a retrofit.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Oh that’s right.

            Just use R12 unless its prohibitively expensive or if the system had a leak (have it pressure tested).

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            If the vehicle sat for 5 years w/o being used that explains the loss of refrigerant. The shaft seal in the compressor is ceramic and needs to be oiled to complete the seal. To keep it wet the system needs to be used occasionally. So chances are that a recharge and you’ll be good to go for several years. I would recommend having the valve cores replaced in the service fittings because they occasionally leak and are cheap and quick to replace when the system is discharged.

    • 0 avatar
      Roberto Esponja

      Those are circa 1990 Grand Marquis cloth seats. A friend of mine had one with an identical split bench.

  • avatar
    STS_Endeavour

    My folks had an ’88 TC Cartier with a digital instrument cluster – two-tone sandstone metallic. I had the good fortune of taking my provisional driver’s test in it. The sad truth is my mum rolled it on its side on a bridge. Thankfully, my brother was following her home in his truck, and was there to see her through the ordeal. She had NO injuries. The ladder frame bent, jamming all the doors in place. The cracked moonroof opened without fail, allowing her escape. The car took a very bizarre punishment, and while the car didn’t survive, it’s occupant survived very well. A ’99 TC Cartier and ’05 Grand Marquis continue to serve the family to this day – and given a minor accident in the GM last Thursday – still proving their resilience.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    I’m not the resident LM expert but I don’t ever recall seeing a Cartier edition without the Cartier emblem on the seats be they leather or cloth.

    FUN FACT: I once saw a Buick G-body RWD coupe with Lincoln Town Car bucket seats at a gas station. I was so intrigued I went over to inquire and apparently this man somehow got the FoMoCo seats in the GM product when they were gifted to him by a friend doing a rat rod (and quit the project).

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      That is true, always a Cartier emblem, and the words Cartier embroidered on door pulls and etc inside.

      On the 95-97 series Cartier, the rear trunk lock featured the C emblem for 95-96, then they cheaped out for the last MY and wrote Cartier on it instead. I believe that era of Cartier trim only had a strip of real wood across the dash, while the wood on the switches in the doors was faux. That’s why when you see Cartiers today the center dash wood is discolored and doesn’t match the doors any more. Also noticeable particularly in special editions, which usually got some kind of different real wood on the dash.

      Spinnaker comes to mind, though in that one they gave you plastic covers over the switches to avoid wood clash with the ash.

      http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/566/1569/38913284016_original.jpg

      Nom nom blue + white.

  • avatar
    PentastarPride

    One of my favorite products from the Ford family. Good old American luxury. I don’t like the newer Town Cars (1998?-2011). I think its aerodynamic design took away from the boxy yet formal and classy look.

    Lincoln in its current form doesn’t exist to me. Very ugly.

  • avatar
    Crabspirits

    Oh wow, even has a rebuilt engine in it.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      How can you tell it’s rebuilt? The missing aluminum plenum was a thing of beauty though. All others lacked any style, or just a TPI converted carb/manifold. It wasn’t tuned for more power, but looked great. It had a pipe-organ effect at WOT. Nothing else sounded like it.

    • 0 avatar
      autojim

      Yep. The original probably fell victim to the nylon-clad cam gear shucking its teeth and jumping time.

      That in and of itself was rarely fatal, but if the person replacing the timing drive set didn’t also drop the pan and clean out the teeth, there’s a good chance one would get ingested by the oil pump, which would then lock up and give a nice no-oil-pressure event.

      The family shop did booming business in the mid-to-late ’80s replacing timing sets in Panthers. We’d go double-roller, drop the pan & oil pump, replace the tiny oil pump driveshaft with a more robust unit, check the pump for teeth, clean up the pan & pickup, and reassemble.

      My uncle (who was at the time using an ’81 Mark VI 4-door as a daily driver. Ghods, that car would just eat miles on the highway) got to the point where he’d just tell customers approaching 60k miles that they might as well do this now so as to not have problems later.

  • avatar
    06V66speed

    There’s quite the following for all things Panther. I like a PI Vic and the Marauder just as much as the next guy… but these TC’s?

    Have any of you all oooing and ahhing over these actually had to live with one of these?

    I bought an ’89 TC back in 2002. It had 72k on the clock and was stupid clean.

    Then, the a/c quit blowing cold. I charged it, it worked for a while. Turns out there was a leak. Unfortunately, it needed a dam compressor. Which I never changed out. I bypassed the compressor and the TC pushed on.

    The power window motors- yes, BOTH- quit working. Guess they just grew weak with age/use/ so on. After a while, the only windows that would actually go up and down was the front power vent windows. If you’d recall, the vent windows on those would go up or down first, THEN the larger window would go up and down. Once my vent windows would go down, the large windows would go down about an inch or so, then run out of power to move any further.

    My 5.0L would “use” oil. It never smoked, it didn’t burn it. But my mechanic, among others, told me how these 302’s and 5.0L’s would just consume oil. ?? Never made any sense to me either, but mine sure did.

    The alternator went. Then it started hesitating, misfiring, having all other sorts of issues.

    In short, the car was a certified POS. I sold it with just under 100k on it for pretty much whatever I could get out of it. It barely limped along after a while and I wanted it GONE.

    Is it the driving characteristics of these cars that makes one lust after these cars? I assure you, pushing that boat up to 75 and keeping it there was a chore beyond epic proportions. At that speed, the handling (or lack of, rather) was abysmal. It took forever to turn the big son of a b*tch around.

    The one thing that was good about the car was that A.) I wasn’t winning any races, because I certainly knew better than to even try and B.) the metal bumpers really proved to be rather durable for all the times I bumped into random things (like most teenage drivers do).

    Good riddance.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      “I assure you, pushing that boat up to 75 and keeping it there was a chore beyond epic proportions.”

      Put the cruise control on if your foot gets sore.

      • 0 avatar
        06V66speed

        Despite my Lincoln woes, I would still love an early 2nd generation base model TC (oh yeah, wheel covers, cloth seats, minimal power options inside) *OR* one of the third generation Cartier L’s (because rear seat controls!!).

        Sigh. Blasted Panther bug. Been there, done that, bought a dam t-shirt. Bit me years ago, and I still suffer the symptoms.

        Dam.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          I also had that malady and have the t-shirt too.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          I think at some point there was either a trim level higher than Cartier – Ultimate, OR Cartier was replaced with Ultimate toward the end perhaps. Also Signature Limited, not sure where that fit in, but I’ve seen a Signature Limited L before.

          I think the most expensive was Ultimate L?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Ultimate replaced Cartier in MY04.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            At the very end “Ultimate” was the ultimate trim level for a Town Car. But my favorite trim level of all time is still “Touring.”

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I wonder why they stopped with Cartier? Too unpopular, perhaps. Younger people don’t know what Cartier is.

            There should have been a teal Tiffany & Co. Edition as well at some point.

            EDIT: @Dan

            I have been confused by the models from 95-97, where a “Touring suspension/package” was available, and didn’t seem to get a badge on it. But then I see this “Touring Edition” one on ebay, which would indicate that they did.

            http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lincoln-Town-Car-Signature-Touring-Edition-/391310470175

            Rare blue color btw, haven’t seen that before.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I suspect it had something to do with licensing to use the “Cartier” name.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            Touring edition had standard dual exhausts, higher hp, touring suspension, and aluminum wheels which were exclusive to that trim level. I believe the power steering was reworked as well to be quicker lock to lock.

            There was a beautiful jade green paint that was a color the Touring was offered in as well.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I think that was the first time I saw a Touring Edition for sale, so they must be quite rare today.

            My fav colour is on the Cypress.
            http://www.usausedcars.net/used-Lincoln/Town%2bCar/1996/b2fecfaf-5d10-4788-93c6-532eff68ed71/photos/

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/cc-capsule-the-elusive-signature-series-touring-sedan/

            A little history… and it is my favorite color. :-)

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Oh THAT Touring. I have seen those before. Always notice the chrome special wheels.

            What I was meaning was on the 95-97’s!

          • 0 avatar
            bumpy ii

            “I wonder why they stopped with Cartier? Too unpopular, perhaps. Younger people don’t know what Cartier is.”

            ‘You bought Jimmy Carter’s old car?’

            These cars always seem kinda sad to me: a veneer of ’80s brashness laid over defeatist ’70s downsizing.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I wonder if the association with cheap Lincoln clocks and trim hurt their ultra high-end brand image any. Doesn’t seem like it, really.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Cartier was probably paid a licensing fee at some point and a royalty per car (prob in the 70s along with Pucci, Bill Blass, etc). The contract probably expired and it wasn’t renewed for whatever reason.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            As mentioned the Ultimate was the replacement for the Cartier. However it only existed in 04. The Signature Limited eventually became the top model though there was the Continental edition for a year or two on top of the Signature Limited trim.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            You’re right on the Ultimate.

            FUN FACT: Starting in 2003, the Lincoln Town Car had been available featuring ballistic protection from the factory. Adding nearly $100,000 to the base price, the armored body and bulletproof glass raised the curb weight of the Town Car to nearly 7,000 pounds.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            A 7klb Town Car? Is that distinguishable in any meaningful way from a slammed, bagged Super Duty?

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            The BPS or Ballistic Protections Series. As far as the weight goes it has to make for a slow vehicle, but it is within the range of what they designed the chassis to handle. You have to remember that it was designed to be stretched. Up to doubling the wheel base and weight was approved by Ford, without voiding the warranty, excluding the modified portions.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      That’s why you need the 460 cid engine (even in Canada I refuse to use metric).

      Based on our extensive experience with them (2 Mark IV’s, 2 TC’s and Mark V), those equipped with a 460 had no problems ‘burying their needles’ or cruising for extended periods well above legal highway speeds.

      And the Pucci Mark IV could indeed perform burnouts when new.

      • 0 avatar
        greaseyknight

        Pass everything but a gas station! 460’s are awesome, just incredibly thirsty.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        A couple of buddies in high school (they were twins) had three Ford vans, among them a ’79 Econoline 250 conversion van with a 460. I think the old saw about the fuel needle moving faster than the speedo was actually true for that one. It got 4-5 mpg.

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    In ’86, the Town Car was the king of all sh!t. What other luxury car had its level of pimptastical to presidential regal flare, with a perfect blend of conservative cues vs pizzaz? Something from Germany? England? Why?

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      We bought a used 1988 Signature-Series in Sandalwood and it served my wife well until we bought her a brand-new 1992 Executive.

      But neither was trouble-free. Autozone and I became best buds during those years; not just for Ford products, but for everything else we owned as well that was not Japanese.

      In today’s market, I see the Lexus LS460 as the “Town Car king of all sh!t” of today.

      But to own one you have to have real money just to buy one, even used.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        Some things never change. Like a Panther, the LS460 (in early years) is prone to premature suspension wear (specifically, super-delicate control arm bushings). I had to have all 8 front control arms replaced upon purchase of my car at 44,000 miles. Fortunately the revised part is much better.

  • avatar
    ajla

    I think the Cadillac Brougham of this era looks WAY better, but I’d likely prefer the EFI Windsor to the Olds 307.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      Stop Ajla, I still has much sad over the lack of fuel injection for GM small blocks during the 1980s into the early 90s. Especially one as smooth as the Oldsmobile 307 V8.

      • 0 avatar
        NoGoYo

        I’m sure a 305 TBI unit will fit with an adaptor, surely some company makes a Q-Jet to TBI adaptor for the people too cheap/poor for a new intake.

        • 0 avatar
          MRF 95 T-Bird

          I always thought it was odd that mid-late 80’s full-sized B-body and mid-sized G-body GM cars still had carbs while A-body FWD and F-body RWD models had fuel injection on most engines.

          • 0 avatar
            NoGoYo

            At least the Caprices got TBI at the very end of their run, though only on sedans.

            I found a wrecked Trans Am GTA at the junkyard today with an intact TPI 350 and Edelbrock headers(!) and I sure do wish I had something to swap that motor into, especially a Caprice or Monte!

          • 0 avatar
            MRF 95 T-Bird

            That motor would go well in a Monte SS or Grand Prix Aeroback. For some reason the Trans Am GTA and IROC Z 350 TBI were only offered with the TH-700R4 automatic.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Hey look, Firebird GTA (Notchback) edition referenced!

            I’m still not sure the difference in the Firebird and Trans-Am, besides bird tape stripe. I think I like the Trans-Am name better.

            http://jalopnik.com/what-was-the-most-completely-pointless-limited-edition-1741470000

            Also never heard of the Etienne Ainger Golf they show there – that must be incredibly rare.

          • 0 avatar
            NoGoYo

            I ended up finding the perfect resting place for that TPI 350 in the classifieds: a 1972 Chevy Nova 4 door being sold for pennies.

            Perfect sleeper.

  • avatar
    NoGoYo

    My mom drove us around in a 1987 Town Car for a few years…white with dark blue top, dark blue interior, and the same wheels as this one. Sure was comfy, at least until summer came along. The rear power windows didn’t work and mom couldn’t afford to fix them. Oh well, thank goodness for good old FoMoCo A/C!

  • avatar
    MRF 95 T-Bird

    Back in the 80’s these were all over NYC mainly as liveries but also were bought by a lot of folks who wanted full-sized luxury and were let down by GM’s C-Body downsize. The vinyl roof was standard and the padded roof version was standard on certain editions such as this Cartier.

    One of the most infamous Mafia hits in history featured a mid-80’s Town Car. A nice looking one in black with wire wheels.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/archives-big-paul-chauffeur-ride-article-1.2043547

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Looks like Castellano’s Townie had velour seats, at least in the front.

      • 0 avatar
        MRF 95 T-Bird

        Paulie C just finished off his double porterhouse. He went easy on desert, just an expresso to calm his nerves. His chauffeur Tommy B sat out in front marveling in the luxurious comfort of the Town Cars velour Twin Comfort Lounge seats while checking out the Racing Form for his picks at Belmont. He enjoys the seats so much he wonders why his mom still has the plastic covers on the living room sofa. He then grabs the NY Post from the passenger side to read up on the latest goings on with Donald and Ivanka and The Helmsley’s. He flips over to the sports section. Mets looking good. He has fond memories of 1969. Agee, Swoboda. Hmm maybe next year will be the one…..

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    barryfaetheus

    One of these recent junkyard finds has to be worthy of a story……

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      28-Cars-Later

      Crabspirits points out a rebuilt engine, so mostly likely IMO the AOD blew and owner ran out of money/time/patience to fix it. I can’t think of a better reason to junk what seems to be an otherwise straight bodied car. I got caught up in the conversation and didn’t try to write anything. Hmmmm.

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    kinsha

    I had this exact model and year cartier. Mine was a two tone silver with the same wheels. It also had a huge factory moonroof. I bought it from some friends of mine who were the original owners. I believe around 1995 is when I purchased it. Had a special cast front deep maroon tag on the front that read “Titanic” :) still had the factory window sticker in the glove box $26,000 in 1986. It also had self leveling on it. Loved that feature, and so did my kids. Had it about 3 years, and it always had great care. Oil alarms started going off in it everytime I would stop. Needed an overhaul @ 130,000 miles. I never thought the 302 was enough to haul this tank around. By the way those front seats would have matched the rears. Leather probably crapped out.

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    CoreyDL

    By the way this was on my Youtube recommended vids. Thoroughly enjoyable historical reference, on the New For 1980 Lincolns. All of them have increased formality, for cripes sakes.

    The music when the Mark VI gets revealed is the most dramatic thing I’ve ever heard in a car promotional video.

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    the notepad scrap suggests that it spent some time in the N. Dallas suburb of Plano, TX.

    A friend in HS had one of these, and the dash always amused teenaged me, watching the numbers climb in small jumps thanks to the 302’s roar, and watching the instant MPG drop to zero.

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    JLGOLDEN

    The commercial from 1986 stands out in my memory, from my days in the 8th grade! Watching the “confusion and exchange” between the valet and the GM drivers cemented my ideas of preserving traditional, tasteful design. Errrr, tasteful for the times, I suppose. I always loved the boxy Lincolns…but man oh man, are they a booger-bear to hand wash. Soooo many creases and recesses to catch bug splatter and grime. Then, the crazy towel dance while trying to dry these cars after a wash, whereby water oozes and drips from the multitude of exterior trim pieces minutes after a full dry-off.

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