By on November 21, 2015

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A week before Thanksgiving, the United Auto Workers and all of the domestic automakers know they will enter the holiday season without having to worry about a strike.

According to the Detroit News, the UAW announced late Friday that their members at Ford approved a proposed contract by a narrow 51.4-percent margin.

That news followed closely the union’s announcement that its International Executive Board considered ratified its contract with General Motors. It will go into effect starting next week. That deal had been delayed because, although the overall vote was in favor of the contract, almost 60 percent of skilled trade members of the UAW at GM voted against it.

The news from the UAW’s Ford and GM departments follows the union’s ratification last month of a contract with Fiat Chrysler that had been revised from an earlier rejected proposed contract.

The contract vote at Ford went down to the wire, but it was finally ratified because of overwhelming, 70-plus-percent approval at late-voting Local 600, which represents 5,900 workers at the Dearborn Truck and Dearborn Stamping plants.

In a statement, UAW President Dennis Williams said, “Our UAW members have ratified the national agreement after a long process and much debate. The voice of the majority has secured a strong future that will provide job security and economic stability for themselves and their families.”

Ford’s executive vice president for manufacturing and labor affairs, John Fleming said, “This agreement provides a good foundation for Ford Motor Company, our employees and our communities as we work together to create an even stronger business in the years ahead.”

At GM, the UAW’s National GM Council, which includes ranking officials from all UAW locals and shops, met Friday morning to discuss the 2015 contract. That followed a two week review looking into why the contract, which had been approved by a majority of GM UAW members a month ago was voted down by members in the skilled trades. Following that meeting, the union’s International Executive Board met and ratified the contract.

According to UAW bylaws, a rejection of a contract by skilled trades members can be overruled by the executive board if the board finds that those members who voted against the contract did so for reasons that are not unique to their job classifications. Skilled trades workers opposing the deal expressed concerns over local contract agreements, reclassification of trades, numbers of apprentices, outsourcing, manpower reductions, and a lack of cost of living increases and buyouts in the national contract. The UAW’s hierarchy deemed those concerns to not be unique to the skilled trades and considered the contract ratified.

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53 Comments on “Ford UAW Workers Narrowly Approve Contract, UAW Executive Board Ratifies GM Deal...”


  • avatar
    dwford

    Ford’s labor costs with this agreement will rise to $60/hr all in. How is it economic to pay people $120,000 a year to build cars???

    • 0 avatar
      RideHeight

      Build mostly trucks instead?

      • 0 avatar
        dwford

        And everyone wonders why a base, regular cab, RWD F150 STARTS at over $26k.

        • 0 avatar
          RideHeight

          Toyota and Nissan trucks prices are right up there with them and they’re not UAW.

          Wait… just double checked and the non-UAW trucks start even higher.

        • 0 avatar
          Drzhivago138

          Who pays MSRP for a stripper model RCSB pickup?

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            Sounds like something I’d do if Honda made one.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Don’t tell them, but they really should raise the price.

            Even at full MSRP, base pickups are the best bargain around, supposing you don’t need a 2nd row of seats. No other car lets you add “a la carte” options as you wish. Under 30K for 4wd and V8. Where else can you get that with a rubber floor and vinyl-knit seats? Try that in a Camry.

            Fleets don’t mind base trucks at all. Single parents and ‘one kid’ couples get to have the baby next to them

            OEMs do offer a crew cab stripper, if you know the secret handshake.

            Pickups really are overbuilt for the task of just commuting and occasional trips to The Home Depot. They’ll basically last forever with regular care. Plus unreal resale value, 10 years plus.

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            For over 30 years I’ve considered RC pickups my personal luxury coupes.

            Who says a personal luxury coupe needs to be a ground-hugging slug that can’t do a lick of work?

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            I love seeing XL crew cabs, all one color, steelies, untinted windows. Reminds me of an old Ford Custom or Chevy Bel Air.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al From 'Murica

          nobody pays MSRP. I just paid 10 grand under last week on a crew cab XLT.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Mrs. Landingham on The West Wing paid MSRP for her car. Of course, she was a fictional character.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s47t_o1R-ss

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            “You see the price on that sticker? That’s the price you’re gonna pay for this car, and not a dime more for the football star! Now ya gotta promise me you’re not gonna go telling anybody ’bout the deal I just gave you!”

  • avatar
    mikey

    Two Chevy truck sitting beside each other at dealership 4 miles from my home in Oshawa Ont.
    Truck number one, 2016 Reg cab 4X4 8 ft box, optioned fairly nice, not loaded, UAW built, Fort Wayne. Sticker price just under $43K, CDN $
    Truck number two Double Cab 6 1/2 ft box pretty well the same options, give, or take. Built in Mexico, non union…just under $51K CDN $.

    • 0 avatar
      RHD

      The anti-union people always try to get the first word in, to lead the conversation in their direction. Vladimir Putin has an entire office of lackeys who do nothing but post pro-Putin messages on the Internet. The Koch brothers, or their ilk, are likely doing the same here.

  • avatar
    highdesertcat

    Ehhhh, more robots is the answer, as outlined in Martin Ford’s book, “Rise of the Robots.” I like the idea of paying people not to work! In America, we’re pretty much there already.

    • 0 avatar
      Lorenzo

      Exactly. More automation reduces the number of workers needed, as well as having suppliers produce more complete sub-assemblies for faster, easier assembly. It takes a lot fewer people to assemble a car than any time in the past, and will require fewer still in the future.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        Yup, and there is no drama with robots like there is with the UAW.

        Then again, this whole UAW thing only affects people who choose to buy UAW-made vehicles. And of the 17+ million SAAR, just how many vehicles are actually UAW-made?

        My guess would be……. far fewer than the UAW would have us believe.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    I read with interest the comments regarding the pricing of pickups in the US.

    In this instance I will not blame the unions to a degree, even though the UAW does support anti competitive practices and regulations.

    I those who complain about the price of a pickup wants prices to drop the US needs a truly competitive pickup market, from manufacture to retail.

    The best way for the US to lower the prices of pickups is to allow imported pickup into the market without the anti competitive penalties they attract (Chicken Tax).

    In Australia we are paying roughly $10 000AUD less for equivalent pickups, that is on the MSRP. When the haggling and wheeling and dealing is done we are still paying significantly less.

    Since the pickup market in most OECD economies has become an alternative car/SUV market I do don’t see why not allow for the eco brands of pickups into the US market to compete, again generating more competition.

    As I mentioned the pickup market is becoming similar to the car market due to the pickup becoming more and more a car/SUV. So why not allow for a range of vehicles in quality, capability and price enter into the US.

    The liberalisation of the US pickup market would be the best way to keep the UAW and manufacturers in check to produce and sell at the most competitive prices.

    As one person from Denver states, American pickups make ridiculous profits, if that is the case, there is room for increased competition. The the US might make pickups in RH drive to compete, even that market is relatively minute globally in comparison to the US full size market.

    • 0 avatar
      CJinSD

      I found three US pickups on carsales.com/au – a Toyota Tundra and two Ford F250s. The Tundra is $122,990. Australian. The Ford that is priced is $138,990. Australian. I get it that your currency is only worth 72 cents at the moment, but that is still a good 30% more than those trucks would cost in the USA.

      http://www.carsales.com.au/cars/results?q=%28%28%28Service%3D%5BCarsales%5D%26%28SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20cars%20in%20stock%5D|SiloType%3D[Brand%20new%20cars%20available]%29%29%26CarAll%3Dkeyword[ute]%29%26%28%28Make%3D[Ford]%26Model%3D[F250]%29|%28Make%3D[Toyota]%26Model%3D[Tundra]%29%29%29&limit=24&sortby=~Price&cpw=1

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      Anyone that thinks the price of fullize, (or any size pickups) starts too high, needs to take a good look at what Camrys start from.

      The obscene profits come from selling a ridiculous number of trucks ONLY. Figure each one sold makes the next one, a slightly cheaper build.

      But importing small pickups from around the globe, *duty free* wouldn’t change the price of fullsize pickups.

      Would importing cut-rate lemons drop the price of oranges?? We’re talking completely different shoppers and shopper’s needs.

      Do you see $140,000 US pickups for sale in OZ raising the price of your small pickups??

      Imported global pickups would cannibalize every midsize vehicle for sale in the US, CUVs especially, long before fullsize pickups.

      But the US is a very tough market to sell cars in. New comers had better be very good or very cheap. Or both! Look at how many have failed. Peugeot, Renault, Citroen, MG, ect, are perfectly fine in their home markets though.

      Resale and Residual Values are extremely important to us. Stuff like Daihatsu had “junk value” instead.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      “In Australia we are paying roughly $10 000AUD less for equivalent pickups…”

      OK name them.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      @CJin SD
      Going well, they are getting rarer and rarer here.I have seen 3 US Pickups in the last 3 months, but in the same period, a , Lambo. Aventor? , Ferrari , Aston Martin, Maserati and countless Porsches in part of the City. Was others, but that gives you a general idea of the ” exotic sports cars”. They even have several dealerships in the City
      http://www.ferrarimaseratisydney.com.au
      http://www.lamborghini-sydney.com/en/home/
      http://www.porschesydneysouth.com.au

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        If you could get US pickup trucks for US pickup truck prices, there wouldn’t be room in your market for anything else. I can’t imagine the reason you make your silly arguments about pricing when Australian prices are available online. It just makes you look dishonest and worse.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          CJinSD,
          Remember that a pickup that costs $30 000 USD when converted into AUD is $43 000. For that kind of money you can purchase a V8SS, which is quite a nice ute as well.

          So, for the prices you are talking there is only a V6 base model. For that kind of money we can also get into a dual cab diesel mid spec 4×4.

          The way I see it is we are getting into equivalently spec’d midsize pickups for the price you guys are paying for a full size.

          Also, the cost of a diesel will make up the difference.

          So, we pay around 80% of what you pay. If it was less then the chicken tax would have no effect and you guys would be getting imported pickups.

          Your pickups are possibly cheaper than in the EU or UK.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            We bought a 2014 Tundra double cab long bed 4WD with a 5.7L V8 for about $31K last year. It’s a base model, but it’s got A/C, power mirrors, power windows, a decent Bluetooth sound system and other stuff one might expect in a modern vehicle. MSRP for a 2016 equipped like it is $34,640. I suspect that means you can still get one for $31K. It uses gas, but gas isn’t as expensive as a 380 hp pickup in Australia.

            I live in San Diego, although I may be headed back east for a while soon. I only know about as much about South Dakota as you seem to know about Australia, so I’m not sure if it’s worth being insulted by your assumption that I’m from there. Other places I’ve lived have included NYC, Hilversum, Palm Beach, various cities in Virginia, and on a boat sailing around the Caribbean.

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          @CJ in SD,
          We used to build them here,Still no one wanted them. They tried to import F250/F350’s from Brazil, total garbage. Then the US Ford Explorer,absolutely terrible. Worst was the Ford Taurus in a tie with the Chevy Suburban, as the worst ever vehicles to grace our shores. prices were reasonable, but the vehicles were total crap.
          Currently the Jeep Commander ,Jeep SUV’s in general have a myriad number of problems, as a result not selling.
          History of US sourced vehicles here has been a pretty terrible one,with vehicles having very short lifespans.

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          If they were *honest* Bogans, they’d have nothing to talk about.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          CJinSD,
          You really are a fnckwit. Why do you attempt to discredit others??

          I spend many months a year in the US, was born and went to school there are well.

          The US is also fantastic country, probably the greatest country that has ever come, but being the greatest doesn’t translate into the best. Not everything is the bestest, biggest, mostest.

          You are living in a dream. The US encompasses an area much larger than Hickville, Sth Dakota.

          Here read this article from March this year and the cut and paste; Wanker.

          “Nevertheless, buyers after a Tundra can purchase an RHD converted version from Queensland’s Performax International, for around $120,000.”

          The link;
          http://www.caradvice.com.au/355982/toyota-tundra-subject-of-enormous-australian-demand/

          Sh!t, you really are a dumb funck. Really, can’t admit that the US is not what you think. Scared if you think otherwise you’ll feel insecure?? I suppose you pack a gun and pistol, because you are brave and a man.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Big Al from Oz,
            A Tundra from Toyota it self, would be reasonably priced,not a riduculous $120,000 as @CJ in SD pointed out.
            Still Toyota stated there is ” enormous demand”
            “We have an enormous demand for a Tundra here in Australia, there’s no doubt if we could sell 100 a month” Hate to know what poor demand is LOL

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    CJinSD,
    The full size pickups we have are not manufacturer built, they are converted by private companies who import them.

    Those Tundras you have seen are converted by a company in Queensland and cost around $120 000AUD or $84 000USD. From what I can gather it is costing anywhere from $20 000AUD up for a conversion.

    It would be nice to have RH drive full size pickups from the manufacturer. The engineering costs might make it prohibitive though.

    HD Rams look like being converted by HSV. I’ve read that FCA is working with HSV to provide vehices that are not completely assembled to reduce the cost of the conversion.

    I would say the HSV Rams would most likely be of better quality than there US counterparts. Most conversion jobs done in Australia also factor in improving the existing vehicles quality issues. But I would assume this is becoming rarer since the US has started to concentrate more on quality.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      @Big Al from OZ
      That Walkinshaw, created conversion business, has some bizarre aspects too it, not all Automotive related
      They expect or hope to do 500 conversions. Personally I hope they get into more Automotive related, but higher output engineering work.They have the resources to do it, just need the projects.Even Aircraft or Marine projects

    • 0 avatar
      CJinSD

      FCA isn’t a quality manufacturer, but every Australian car sold here; from the Mercury Capri convertible, to Mitsubishi Diamontes, to various Pontiac douche-mobiles; has been a complete POS in terms of finish and reliability.

  • avatar
    Pch101

    CANBERRA – Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull announced on Friday that Australia will be changing its name to Moronica. “We have a lot of bogans who spend their days online looking like idiots and otherwise giving us a bad reputation, so we may as well accept it,” Mr. Turnbull said in a speech before Parliament.

    In conjunction with this announcement, the prime minister announced that he will be growing a mullet and driving a Falcon Ute as his official state vehicle. “I need the ute to carry my beer,” Mr. Turnbull added.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      Pch101,
      You must of missed the second part of the speech. He announced that more research money will be used for Australia’s contribution to environmentally friendly vehicle research.

      Australia has designed a fantastic green (or any colour for that matter) vehicle. We even have the largest race in the world for this style of vehicle.

      Also, the name Morinica was what Obysmal announced for the US. We are be renamed to Lostrayla according to our reporters. The Kiwi’s are only getting a new flag.

      http://images2.newspix.com.au/CorexDoc/NPX/Media/TR5_WATERMARKED/0/a/5/9/NP161241.jpg

      • 0 avatar
        wmba

        What you lot ought to try to do beyond promoting the Mazda BT50/Ford Ranger as the world’s best pickup truck, is to start digging.

        Digging for oil, that is. Orstrilia is a bit short of the greasy muck, about 50% short for daily needs, and has to import the rest from SE Asia. Relying on that part of the world for long-term supply is a bit of a concern if anyone in Oz had a bit of commonsense, not a national characteristic apparently.

        So to earn a knighthood and nods of approval from the other knobs lazing poolside, you could get out there and frack a couple of million square kilometres in the middle of nowhere. The only thing you’d disturb is feral sheep surviving on stink-lilly bulbs and the odd sunburned dingo looking to lick the inside of old corned beef cans discarded by the crews. And I’d suggest a healthy squadron of Rangers for the mid-week two-day trek to Alice for bee-ah. The extra-heavy duty frame and other-worldly towing capacity of these things mean hauling a seven ton refrigerated trailer of stubbies across the Gibson and Simpson would be a cakewalk, mate. Now probs. Course, fracking without a water supply might be a problem, so use the beer instead, and keep the Flying Doctor on satellite phone speed-dial to deal with industrial injuries caused by operating heavy machinery when sloshed.

        Why the eff you lot sit around amusing yourselves lecturing Americans on pickup trucks for years and years is beyond me, but gives the detached reader a good idea of the level of excitement of life in Orstrilia. There’s eff all else to do besides troll internet forums, drink beer, belch and feel you’re living in minimum wage paradise. Anyone with real gumption like Murdoch got out, made money in the UK and then started buying up and ruining America from the inside.

        Quality manufactured goods and Australia – two items not normally associated together in the same sentence. Self-importance and the likelihood to berate foreigners from a fake intellectual height- two items commonly associated with Aussies occupying otherwise useful space on car forums.

        I’m sure if Americans wanted to be lectured by Aussies on their version of the realities of pickup truck life, they would have asked for it. Their responses for over four years suggest you’re barking up the wrong tree. But like ebola, you just keep coming back. Thanks so much.

        Get a life. And do something productive for a change. That’s our fervent wish, but being the sort of twerps you lot are, no doubt we’ll be confronted by grade school level advice and “startling facts” from Down Under for decades to come. May the Cane Toad be with you.

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          @Wmba
          Outside of the total lack of understanding of Australia in your post. The stupid ” Small Truck Mafia” condescending posts, suggest, your “lecturing” has no relevance, just like US Pickups have here.

        • 0 avatar
          RideHeight

          I believe it’s possible to be too harsh on Australia.

          Imagine if we could transport all our supermax prisoners to a largely empty desert continent and checked up on them in 200 year’s time. Would they have an opera house or nothing but District 9 shacks?

          Clearly, Australians are descended from a higher grade of felon.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          wmba,
          Personally I think Mercedes Benz has the best pickup ever created, the AMG 6×6 G Wagen. This pickup also has it’s roots in Australia. Detroit or for that matter no other manufacturer has made such a fantastic pickup.

          The BT50 and Ranger are good competitive pickups, more pickups that have their souls and design in Australia. But like any design wether Australian, American or Canuckian, they are a global effort.

          Ford’s Ranger has outstripped Ford’s expectations, unlike the aluminium F-150, especially with its 2.7 EcoSuck that’s averaging 16mpg or less combined.

          And here is TTAC screwing over VW and yet I would like to see what the aluminium F-150 is really spewing out its exhaust at 15.4mpg combined. Is it worse than a VW diesel?

          I also have to agree with RobertRyan, that your knowledge of Australia is limited.

          We have feral goats, buffalo and camels, not sheep, they would die.

          As for manufacturing, you are clueless. Industries like vehicle assembly is best left to the countries we can help lift their standards of living and let us developed countries concentrate on advancing our economies with AI and robotics and other areas of industry, ie services. If manufacturing fits into these futures and we can do it competitively I’m for it.

          As for our agri industry, Australia the most efficient in the world.

          Maybe you should visit Australia. Australia is what the Americans and Canadians dreamed their countries would become……….so far.

          Australia is not necessarily the biggest, bestest, mostest, etc at anything. But overall it averages out to be the best with second highest standard of living in the world, Canada was once their, I do hope we don’t screw up like you Canadians.

          The US is around 16th or 17th when inequality and disparity is taken into consideration. Many who comment on TTAC from the US live on the better side of the tracks and forget about the $2.14ph waitresses relying on measly tips, the $9.50ph people working in supermarket and gas stations.

          Because it’s their fault their isn’t enough middle class jobs. Canada isn’t as bad.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            Australia doesn’t have sheep? Are you sure you’re Australian and not someone who comes here merely to discredit Australia by losing arguments? Australia has the second most sheep of any nation. Only China has more. Australia has over a hundred million sheep today. One in thirty-three Australians earns a living tending sheep. From the 1840s to the 1950s, Australia’s economy was as dependent on sheep as ours is on oil. How could anyone know so little about the place that they live?

            http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/austn-farming-and-agriculture

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Rideheight
            You got the higher grade right, but unlike the US every fifth person is not a potential felon.

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            Robbie,
            While the incarcerated percentage of the US population is about 20x lower than you imply it is still an outrageous offense against US taxpayers when .22s are so cheap and well proven by our organized crime’s HR departments.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            To their credit though, their trolling is on a world class level. If the casual reader knows little to zero on the subject, they could easily take BAFO and RR’s comments as facts.

            Many of their carefully concocted statements make perfect sense on a superficial level, until you look deeper, and it becomes obvious you’ve been trolled.

            Most of the rest are simply ‘hit and run’ tactics. You call them out on their crap, except they’ve already scampered off to another thread, article or site. So when they repeat their same crap again, they can claim ignorance, I guess.

            Lots of ad hominem attacks from them too, facts twisted, lopsided comparisons, etc. They’re good at what they do. I don’t understand their motivation though.

            But there has to be a ‘support staff’ too. No way they’re smart/fast enough to do it on their own. TTAC isn’t the only site they disrupt. Not by a long shot.

  • avatar
    50merc

    UAW members must be the hardest-to-please people on the planet. They get job security and even more lush compensation (the envy of 99.44% of the blue collar world), and barely half approve the deal? I suspect the “nay” vote comes from those who wanted a strike to get a vacation; after all, the eventual signing bonus would cover any lost pay.

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