By on October 18, 2015

2016 Honda Civic Sedan Touring

The bigger, less-than-hateful-looking, next-generation Honda Civic unveiled last month will start at $19,475 (including $835 destination), according to a leaked dealer document at CivicX.com.

The pricing guide outlines both invoice and MSRP prices for the new model, which will sport a 2-liter naturally aspirated four or a 1.5-liter turbocharged four, and details available trim options. At the bottom end, the LX model with a 6-speed transmission will start at $19,475, which is $165 more than the 2015 model. A fully decked Touring model with continuously variable transmission and turbo four will start at $27,335.

The 2016 EX-L model with navigation will add $375 over this year’s model. The EX models, when equipped with a 2-liter four, will be $150 less than 2015’s model.

Honda’s safety suite — dubbed Honda Sensing — that includes emergency braking, lane departure warning and adaptive cruise control will add $1,000 to the bottom line.

The Civic, which is longer and lighter than last year, will add more premium features but will also start at a dearer price than the Toyota Corolla, Ford Focus and Chevrolet Cruze. The Civic will cost roughly $2,000 more than those competitors to start.

According to the pricing, opting for the force-fed four over the 2-liter four will add $1,160 to the sticker. Honda hasn’t announced specs for its turbocharged four (which almost didn’t happen) but it’s widely believed that the turbo will add 30 additional horsepower to around 170 to 180 horsepower.

Of course, this could be another bogus spec sheet on CivicX, but at least the timing is right for this “leak.”

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88 Comments on “New 2016 Honda Civic Sedan Starting Under $20,000...”


  • avatar
    Dave M.

    This Civic looks like a homerun compared to the last two generations. Thank God they got rid of the bizarro dual-level IP. I know, I know – it worked great. Save it – as my grandmother used to say – it still looked stupid.

    Only critiques I can offer is the steering wheel needs another inch in diameter, and I’m not a fan of the unibrow.

  • avatar
    pdl2dmtl

    Whaaaa? This is narrowing the gap between compact and midsize price territory.

    No matter how faithful are the followers, it better be good otherwise the Koreans will eat its lunch. And they will not have CVT’s yet.

    • 0 avatar
      Lorenzo

      Honda doesn’t use a pure CVT, they incorporated a torque converter and adjusted it to provide the driving characteristics of a conventional automatic. TTAC should look into detailing what they’ve done to make the CVT less alien.

      While the car is longer, it’s no wider. I would imagine some crush zone protection was added. Besides, car classes have been getting bigger at the small end of the scale, while full sized cars have gotten smaller. The first Civic/Corolla was a subcompact, while full sized cars of the ’70s have had two feet chopped off their length, with what used to be mid sized wheelbases, and are now 4-5 inches narrower. Car makers seem headed for a one size fits all vehicle, about the size of a 1965 Valiant.

  • avatar
    Bimmer

    I hope that they have changed a seat back shape. I had a 2015 rental and the seat back was very uncomfortable. I’m 6’4 1/2″.

    And the pricing now is approaching Mid-sizers! How much bigger is it than 2015?

    • 0 avatar
      JD23

      Do you think it is reasonable to expect the backseat of a compact car to be comfortable for someone more than one standard deviation above mean height?

      • 0 avatar
        danio3834

        Apparently. These “compacts” are getting to be enormous.

        • 0 avatar
          Waftable Torque

          I sat inside a 2015 Corolla yesterday, and swore it had as much interior space as my 1998 Camry. So I ran a quick Google check; the Corolla’s passenger compartment is bigger by just under a cubic foot.

          Yesterday’s midsize is today’s “compact”. I wonder if someone’s crunched the numbers to see if we actually get more car for the money today when comparing apples to apples.

          • 0 avatar
            sportyaccordy

            Oh we are definitely getting more car for the money. And the packaging is more efficient too. As my screen name hints to I owned 3 92-93 Honda Accords in my youth. Now I drive an 09 Civic EX 5MT sedan. The Civic is about 8″ shorter, 1″ wider and sadly about 4″ taller. It’s also about ~200lb lighter, and despite being down 400cc in displacement makes the same power (though the engine is a little underrated). Interior dimensions match pretty much within an inch, and the Civic is faster out of the box while being about ~4-5 MPG more fuel efficient. Obviously safer and better equipped too. MSRPs were about the same but when you adjust for inflation the Accord cost a lot more. And this is a similar trend across the board.

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            “sadly about 4″ taller”

            Why must the car you desire be able to pass beneath a semi-trailer?

            Well, at least one without those big air dams.

          • 0 avatar
            sportyaccordy

            Unneccesary height is wasted metal, wasted space and probably the most detrimental kind of extra in the context of handling. With the car’s shoulder height I do think the height balances the look though, it would be “Camaroish” if the roof were chopped.

          • 0 avatar
            ponchoman49

            It’s the opposite with so called full sized cars. They are about the same size as previous mid size vehicles. There is much overlap with compact mid size and full size vehicles today and this new Honda is now more of a mid size than a compact.

      • 0 avatar
        mchan1

        It may be reasonable considering how the Japanese engineers, at least in the past, were able to design the interiors that were relatively roomier for smaller cars.

        Look at the Honda Fit.
        For a small car, no one would think that the inside would be relatively roomy. The rear seat can fit at least a 6′ person with average build and can still fit someone a little taller.

        • 0 avatar
          RideHeight

          Fatter doors, dashes, pillars, seats, consoles and steering wheels all take their toll on roominess. Pushing those far enough away from occupants has got to increase perimeter dimensions, no?

          Plus high beltlines along with intrusive windshield headers and mirrors as part of smashed-down greenhouses aren’t making for any airiness like the old days, either.

        • 0 avatar
          burgersandbeer

          Honda in particular is very good at roomy interiors for a given footprint. The current Accord feels like a limo in the back.

      • 0 avatar
        shaker

        Bimmer wrote “seat back shape”, he wasn’t referring to the room in the back seat.

      • 0 avatar
        Bimmer

        @JD23

        I was not talking about rear seat! I was talking about drivers seat backrest! How and why would I care about rear seat if I was a renter!? After all, I’m not Hightower from Police Academy.

  • avatar
    Joss

    First thing I’ll do is check headroom. I’d go with naturally aspired. Edmunds says the Borolla recently got 5 from NHSTA. I can’t think the pending Sentra has a power advantage. Where is it Carlos? If the Civic’s headroom is mean I’ll trundle back to Focus and Golf.

  • avatar
    SavageATL

    Wow, I was thinking that seemed about $2000 more than I was expecting and then the article said it is about $2000 more than the competition. I just cannot see spending $19K for a civic, I don’t know$28 what the premium for an Accord would be but I know I would pay it, or take a long hard look at the competition. I just cannot believe you can glop a Civic up to $28,000, to me that is luxury territory. What can it possibly need to make it comfortable and acceptable that costs $8,000? You can probably get into the Acura Accord for that kind of money.

    • 0 avatar
      Rob

      I feel like Honda has discovered what Ford’s known for a while now.

      People will pay for luxury like touches and save the 7-10k.

      Honda’s always had a higher opinion of itself, so to make that leap of touring level trims, they decided they could bring up the tail end of the pricing so the gap didn’t look quite as insane as it does on a Ford Focus of the Kia Soul.

      There will be people willing to pay the Accord pricing because they prefer the smaller car. That’s not in question.

      What perplexes me is why you would pay that when you could get a Focus ST for that kind of cash.

      • 0 avatar
        FormerFF

        I have a 2014 Fusion in the Titanium trim level. One of my coworkers has a 2013 528i, and the interior trim level of the two cars is very similar, I’d give the edge to the Ford. There are a few exterior pieces that are nicer on the BMW, and the seams are a little tighter in spots, but certainly not $28,000 worth, which is the price difference between the two.

        He regrets buying the car, not because it’s not a good car, but because how much he paid for it relative to what he could have paid for a mainstream brand.

    • 0 avatar
      mchan1

      That’s been the case with higher trim smaller cars in that it reaches the level of the lower to mid trim levels of the mid-size car.

      One could get an Accord for the high-end Civic but won’t get all the ‘goodies’ in the Accord found in that Civic.
      Also, some people just like smaller cars for whatever their personal reasons.

      Like you, I’d find it hard to accept a smaller car for the price level of >$25000 when you can get a decent mid-size or large-size car in that price level.

      Heck, one can get a decent pre-owned car for that price if not less.

      To each their own!

  • avatar
    HerrKaLeun

    “opting for the force-fed four over the 2-liter four will add $1,160 ” assuming the 2.0l NA motor will have about 150 hp or more, I don’t see a reason to go for the turbomotor. At least not till after 2-3 years where we know real world mileage and reliability. If the weight says reasonable, the 2.0 should do well, especially if it is DI and can have a CVT.

    Any specs on that 2.0 l NA motor? Or where is that used right now? All new motor, or one they have elsewhere?

    Sounds like this one gets to CRV pricing really quickly. Nice they offer the Honda Sensing safety systems for $1K, that seems reasonable if they work flawlessly… but also a thing I want to see after 1-2 years not that it has the same problems like most of those systems (nuisance trips).

    Well, only the hatchback would interest me. Until then I don’t care anyway.

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      I’m normally irritated with CVTs, but Honda did an excellent job with the one in the Accord. Whether or not it’s truly long-lasting remains to be seen, but it certainly drives well.

    • 0 avatar
      Jacob

      Probably the same or almost the same at the 2.0L in the earlier Acura ILX, but configured for regular fuel. Turbos are fun. Personally, I’d consider the turbo engine, but I’d buy the extended warranty at the dealership just in case.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        I saw an article on “vtec.net” where a commenter who’s a pro tuner mentioned that the internals he saw in a video of a cutaway of the 1.5T at the press preview looked a little “thin,” especially the connecting-rods, meaning that you’re not going to be able to “chip” the mainstream variant of this engine and get anything resembling normal Honda robustness. (OTOH, the Civic Si should be OK for this stuff.) It’s — cue the greenies — targeted for EFFICIENCY!

        OK, this motor gets 42mpg highway in Touring trim. But I’m sure that the N/A 2.0 could have used DI to accomplish the same thing. Could some sort of regenerative-capacitor thing like Mazda uses in conjunction with the type of 2.0 I mentioned allowed bursts of acceleration which could have given equivalent performance without the need for the turbo? All the extra savings in gas ain’t gonna mean nothing when the gerbil-wheel fails in spectacular fashion! (Considering most people don’t know how to open their hood to check the oil, much less interpret what the little wrench icon on the dash of a Honda means (hint — oil-life indicator, or “Maintenance Minder”), I’m sure there’ll be more than a few.)

  • avatar
    RideHeight

    That’s a slightly offputting base price considering you’re still stuck with the MT.

    • 0 avatar
      Truckducken

      Best combo is cheapest. I like. What’s the going price for a CVT rebuild these days? Bet I could buy a few years of gas with the extra cash I won’t need to spend on that.

  • avatar
    Chan

    Honda is just trying to milk more cash out of its buyers.

    Observant people will realise that this thing is now Accord-sized and will decide whether they still want the smaller car (that would now be the Fit).

    • 0 avatar
      burgersandbeer

      The new Civic’s interior looks to have depressing gray and black plastic everywhere. Mazda has been trying a similar pricing scheme with the 3, but at least the Mazda’s interior is appropriate for the price. Based on the pictures of the 2016 Civic, the Mazda looks at least one class upmarket from the Civic.

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        Fair enough, but you have to realize the Mazda3 *is cramped*. You could easily carry four adults in most compact sedans (Jetta, Cruze, Sentra, Corolla, and yes, the current Civic), but not the Mazda3. It has less room than the Golf, which is subcompact, but only in terms of overall-length, including cargo space; in terms of occupant space, the Golf meets or exceeds that of compact sedans.

        But if you don’t carry too many occupants and don’t care about that, the Mazda3 is probably the most upmarket compact car you can find for less than $30K new.

        • 0 avatar
          dantes_inferno

          > You could easily carry four adults in most compact sedans (Jetta, Cruze, Sentra, Corolla, and yes, the current Civic), but not the Mazda3.

          All of those models you mentioned (with the exception of the 3) used to be compacts, but are now unfortunately the by-products of the automotive fast-food super sized movement which has taken place over the last couple of decades.

          Oh well, I guess that’s to be expected since the majority of drivers possess passive driving skills (relying on the protection of the automotive cocoon) instead of defensive driving acumen (the situational awareness and ability to avoid a collision (not the P.C. term “accident”) in the first place.

        • 0 avatar
          WheelMcCoy

          ” You could easily carry four adults in most compact sedans (Jetta, Cruze, Sentra, Corolla, and yes, the current Civic), but not the Mazda3. ”

          Did you mean to say five adults instead of four?

          The Corolla gets points for eliminating the hump in the passenger floor, thus comfortably allowing 3 adults in the back, Otherwise, all the vehicles listed can seat 2 in the back nicely.

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    There’s a hard barrier for me at about $25,000 when it comes to mainstream compact sedans, so a Touring is out of the question for me, at sticker price. Ideally, a nice EX or EX-L with leather, sunroof, smart key and the Apple Car Play could be had for near to $25K…maybe even some collision-prevention technology like blind-spot monitoring or guided cruise control.

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    When I heard about the turbo engine option I was excited…. but it looks like they messed it up. No stickshift and the car is just too big, with too high of a metal to wheel ratio. I drive an 09 now and love it but it looks like I’m gonna have to look elsewhere for a replacement. Probably a long shot but hopefully the next Fit will not look like complete buttocks. I just want something that weighs 2700-2800lbs with a turbo, stickshift, and a back seat that can accommodate a rear facing infant seat without forcing the front passenger seat all the way forward. Seems like slim pickings new and strangely enough my Civic with a turbo kit fits the bill.

    • 0 avatar
      RideHeight

      “hopefully the next Fit will not look like complete buttocks”

      I’m guessing your definition of buttocks is the original Fit’s extreme cab-forward bubble car look? And that the current generation is more to your liking?

      Have you seen the 2016 Civic hatch Europe is getting? That’s what I’m afraid the next Fit will look like. If there even *is* a next Fit with the HR-V apparently eating its lunch.

      I adore the ’07-’13 models so I guess I like buttocks.

    • 0 avatar
      S2k Chris

      “When I heard about the turbo engine option I was excited…. but it looks like they messed it up. No stickshift ”

      I’m still hoping the Si will be awesome. That’s your Civic with a stick option.

  • avatar

    How fortunate we are to get Civic for just $20,000! Twenty years ago for same price you could get full size sedan with V6. But of course Civic is superior to full size sedans of Clinton era.

    • 0 avatar
      PeriSoft

      20 years ago that 20k was 35k, and 20 years ago the Accord was the size the Civic is now.

      If you want to spend 20 grand on a full-size car, get a Sonata; mine’s enormous, absurdly well equipped, and if you’re thinking about 20 years ago, then 20 years ago it would have qualified as legitimately fast!

  • avatar
    ravenchris

    Another overpriced Honda.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    Honda/Acura so sad.

    Thousands of executives at Honda/Acura would have committed seppuku already, if this were two decades ago (or maybe even one).

    Slice your bellies open and spill your entrails, you bloody Honda/Acura embarrassments of “executives!”

    Show some honor!!!

    • 0 avatar
      VW16v

      I think by hiding reports that bolts fly out of air bags was the end of honor at the Honda executive level. At least this new civic is not a complete bean counter build like the last couple generations of civics.

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      Lol your schtick is Glenn Beck tired bro. Find a new gimmick or just try and contribute things of value.

      Honda is doing great and on the brink of a renaissance.

      • 0 avatar
        VW16v

        I would not throw Glenn Beck into the picture. I’m sure he is worshipped by many a folk on this website. Dead does have a point. If I recall

      • 0 avatar
        VW16v

        Was it Mr.Honda with poopee face a few months back. Or was that a Toyota executive.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        Don’t take this personally, or as an ad hominem, but you’re delusional beyond dropping heavy doses of LSD.

        Honda has essentially two vehicles that are in their segment leaders’ wheelhouse, being the Accord & the CR-V, and even they are class-competitive, rather than being class dominating as past Honda products were (pssst – *whispering* they’re also a bit boring, bro…)

        Acura has two products that are competitive in their respective price segments, barely, being the RDX and MDX, and they’re not only somewhat expensive, but also somewhat boring (being CUVs), in no manner dominant, and most Acuras are hideous, overpriced piles of sh!t.

        Get rid of the beak, Acura. Stop being boring and dull, Honda. Stop pricing your non-premium wares 20% higher than where they should be priced, Acura. Find something to differentiate your products from the likes of Hyundai, which is closing in on you rapidly, Honda. Your vehicles do not feel “premium,” Acura.

        Basically, Acura makes ugly, also-ran, overpriced vehicles, and Honda has two vehicles that are class competitive, but in no way dominant – with this Civic being overpriced and meh, at best.

        F*ck you, Honda, Seppuku, NOW!

        • 0 avatar
          RideHeight

          You *do* realize VW16v’s gonna follow you home now, right?

          • 0 avatar
            VW16v

            Ride, Another great example of making sure people are over the age of 18 before post. Maybe you parents should limit your computer time.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          My comment above is obviously aimed squarely and solely at “sportyaccord” (an oxymoron, as there’s hardly anything sporty about any Honda product of today, with a manual equipped, V6 equipped Accord being the closest thing to sporty available, even if it’s drab, dreary and equipped with brakes made of cheddar cheese).

          • 0 avatar
            VW16v

            Cheddar is to firm. I would compare to American cheese, any type of warmth and they just melt.

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            If you’re talking about the American singles on a piece of plastic, that’s not cheese. It’s “cheese product,” which I suspect is some kind of dried yogurt.

          • 0 avatar
            VW16v

            You are correct on that American single. Brie is a better example.

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            My only experience with actual cheese is those blocks Dad would always buy for a road trip. Mostly mild stuff, Colby Jack or Farmer cheese, but also Cheddar of varying sharpness. A while ago I shook things up by getting Muenster.

            My most exotic cheese experience was from a Mongolian exchange student who went home for holiday and came back with a curd called aaruul. It was so hard that you could carry it around in your pocket (wrapped up, of course) and nibble on it all day.

          • 0 avatar
            WheelMcCoy

            You’re all wrong! It’s Swiss Cheese because the specs say “ventilated.”

          • 0 avatar
            VW16v

            The Swiss comparison is good. It does melt. But unevenly. Very close to civic accord brakes. Swiss is probably the most accurate.

          • 0 avatar
            dantes_inferno

            I prefer provolone cheese myself…:)

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            Of course Honda brakes and helicopters have much in common:

            Lots of turning rotors! ::Rim shot!::

            (Well, my 2013 Accord’s brakes ARE a bit better than on my past Hondas. That said, there’s always room for improvement! According to the same series of “vtec.net” articles, their press preview drive impressions mention decent-feeling brakes, but they weren’t able to beat the crap out of them to see if they WERE cheese-like in nature after a bit!)

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Acura is dead, its Mercury now (NSX and Legend notwithstanding). Much like Ford with it’s Lincoln/Mercury network, HMC had the choice of unique product for the brand or reshaped product in order to give the dealer network something to sell. Much like Ford, they chose the latter for Mercury, and later Lincoln became a less badge engineered Mercury.

          You gotta put Acura on your list!

        • 0 avatar
          jrasero23

          DeadWeight must be on drugs

          He is right that Honda is segment leaders for the Accord and CRV and Acura for the RDX and MDX which all are boring. But everything else is plain poop spewing from DeadWeight’s mouth.

          The RDX and MDX aren’t overpriced by any means. A course they don’t have the cache or performance of the Germans but their base engines (only) and standard features make the RDX and MDX anywhere from $5k-$15k less than a similarly equipped German CUV. That isn’t opinion but facts.

          The beak is subjective, they have toned it down a lot in recent years but on the other hand slapped a nice linear piece of chrome on the Honda’s. Just my personal taste but I will take a yes bold but more stylized beak rather than just some large stick of chrome. Secondly if Acura were to reduce their prices by 20% like you suggest they would be called Honda. Maybe that’s what YOU think Acura is, nothing more than a tarted up Honda but guess what dude no one cares, because the RDX and MDX as plain and CRV/Pilot as they may be sell a poop load. Furthermore everyone from Lincoln to Mercedes do darted up “x” car. It’s all about the brand and Honda has built up a huge following that allows them to up sell to Honda loyalists.

          What do you call dominant? Sales? if that is the case Honda products are sales dominant. If you are talking about enthusiast halo cars than no but Acura has never been about that. They are cars for people who drove Accords and CRVs as teenagers or young adults but now have the income and desire to have a premium car with same characteristics they fell n love with Honda: MPG, reliability, residual value, features, and price. A lot of those characteristics you can’t find in German competitors like reliability and features/price.

          So yes Acura is vanilla but vanilla can be luxury. Ask Toyota how that worked out for them with the Lexus ES and RX.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “Secondly if Acura were to reduce their prices by 20% like you suggest they would be called Honda. Maybe that’s what YOU think Acura is, nothing more than a tarted up Honda but guess what dude no one cares”

            Acura IS simply a USDM Honda in every model but two. It USED to be JDM Honda in N.A. but due to several factors including consumer stupidity, they realized they could use USDM designs assembled in the USDM, add a premium, and put a JAPANESE perceived marque on it. Did you know the new NSX is being assembled in North America? Really HMC, you can’t assemble your fan boy car in Japan and put a big ol’ rising sun on the side?

            “They are cars for people who drove Accords and CRVs as teenagers or young adults but now have the income and desire to have a premium car with same characteristics they fell n love with Honda”

            Perhaps, but its really for those who want to pay a twenty to thirty percent premium for a Honda or enjoy “Acura” specific features (styling, tech, etc). If I was in the market for a sedan, I might look at TLX because it is much better styled than the Accord but in reality the TLX does not need to exist. But by making it slightly better and handicapping Accord, it can exist and make free margin.

            Personally I don’t care if Acura is boring or not I’d just like to see some JDM spec vehicles out of the brand again. I don’t see a valid reason for it to exist otherwise than the dealer network needs product and because free margin.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            We get the JDM Legend as the RLX. Everything else Honda JDM would make more sense on a Scion lot than an Acura one.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I want to see a weekly DW “grinds my gears” column. I know he will come up with something clever each time too instead of his well know Cadillac angst.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        You know what really grinds my gears?

        An ill timed shift.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        I’m full of righteous thunder, piss & vinegar, I am!

        Some of us have to bein these times of the meek, sheepish, docile American citizenry.

        The problem with Americans isn’t that there’s too much incivility; it’s that there’s too much IGNORANT incivility, and the other portion of the population is meek & sheeple-like.

        Let knowledgeable, informative, rousing PISS, VINEGAR & FURY SAVE THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC, before, I fear, it will be too late.

        • 0 avatar

          It society deserves to die it die, nothing can save it. After people become apathetic freeloaders there is no way back. Senators tried to save Republic but end result was even worse vicious dictatorship. Cato committed suicide, Senators were killed one by one sooner or later, people of Rome god bread and circuses and there was no another republic for thousand years.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Think about how pathetic the modern American left-right/democratic-republican paradigm (that funnels voters, as an operating ideological oligopoly & barren wasteland of truly good ideals/ideas) is.

            Nixon v. Humphrey
            Nixon v. McGovern
            Carter v. Ford
            Reagan v. Carter
            Reagan v. Mondale
            Bush v. Dukakis
            Bush v. Clinton
            Clinton v. Dole
            Bush v. Gore
            McCain v. Obama
            Romney v. Obama

            Sad, pathetic, hopeless…the bankers (fractional reserve kind) have captured all 3 branches of U.S. Government and regulatory agencies, too.

  • avatar
    CB1000R

    Needs more hatchback.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    Yikes for 27 large I could get into a loaded Sonata Sport or Limited or even a larger Impala 1LT with 185-196 hp normally aspirated engines, a bigger nicer interior, larger trunks, better warranties and I’m sure quieter drives.

    • 0 avatar
      VW16v

      $27,000 is a little out of control. But, I’m sure we will see many a $27,000 civic on the road soon. Option, Subaru Legacy 2.5 Limited. Gets 36 mpg hwy and awd. Will have a better resale value over the $27,000 civic. Oh and Subaru brakes are far superior over the civic’s. Crap I’ve seen Legacy 3.6 Limited’s go for a little under $28,000.

  • avatar
    dantes_inferno

    Increasingly stringent CAFE requirements will eventually choke the life out of even a 1.5 liter turbo, reduce V-12/10/8s to V-6s, render diesel automobiles extinct (since their lobbying firepower isn’t as effective as that of the trucking industry), and render Type-R automobiles to museum status.

    Today’s 1.5 liter turbo will soon become tomorrow’s two-cylinder 0.5 liter turbo based on the current CAFE trajectory.

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