By on September 24, 2015


Detroit parts and axle operations workers Wednesday voted against a four-year contract proposed by the United Auto Workers and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, the Detroit News reported.

About 700 Local 1248 workers in Warren, Michigan, turned down the proposal and said Wednesday that the contract created a third, unfair pay tier for Mopar workers that would cap their wages at a lower rate than Tier 1 and Tier 2 workers at FCA.

Under the proposed contract, veteran Tier 1 workers could receive pay raises up to $30 an hour, and newer, Tier 2 workers’ pay could go up to $25 an hour. Parts and axle operations workers pay would top out at $22 and $22.35 per hour, respectively.

Union President Dennis Williams said the “third tier” claims were inaccurate; those workers would have a path to apply for higher paying jobs.

“They’re not stuck. They’re not dead-end,” Williams told the Detroit News. “A tier system is when you don’t have a path. That is a tier system.”

Mopar employees were eligible for the $3,000 ratification bonus. The contract would cover more than 40,000 workers at FCA. Critics say the contract doesn’t raise wages high enough, and that the tier system wasn’t effectively eliminated.

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30 Comments on “Mopar Workers Frown, Vote Down UAW Contract...”

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    That’s both scary and hilarious. The picture, I mean.

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    She only found $22.35 on the dresser when they left…

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    You couldn’t find a photo of another FCA booth professional? ;P

    Also: You had some fun with Photoshop, didn’t ya? :P

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    I would have moved the mouth a leeetle bit higher. Just for effect.

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    this face will be appearing in my 3rd level REM sleep tonight, so um thanks for that.

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    SCE to AUX

    The UAW has a leadership problem; wonder if the rank and file realize it.

    • 0 avatar

      The UAW PR campaign to win over the hearts and minds of the membership prevents them from realizing it.

      You can fool some of the people all of the time. And you can fool all of the people some of the time. But you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. (Old Chinese Proverb)

      If unions are such a great thing for industry and the nation, they would not have lost so many members over the past 30 years.

      • 0 avatar

        They’re not supposed to be a great thing for industry, they’re supposed to be a great thing for people. Slavery was a great thing for industry, that doesn’t mean we should bring it back.

        • 0 avatar

          With all the government safeguards and mandates in place, how can there be slavery?

          Besides, if a person is not happy where they are working, they can always leave and find work elsewhere.

          This is America. We have freedom of choice to do what we want, work where we want, leave when we want.

          Happens everyday, all across America.

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            Aren’t you the guy who spent his entire working life in the Air Force and never had to look for another job after retiring from it because you’d married into realty money?

            So you’ve never really job-hunted beyond presenting yourself to the military back in the Vietnam era when they’d take anyone with a pulse?

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            “With all the government safeguards and mandates in place, how can there be slavery?”


            Happens everyday, all across America. Enjoy your lunch.

            Edit: The first link doesn’t fully detail the worst of the abuses. This one does a little better

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            RideHeight, only partly right. Got married in 1966 before there was any realty money. Spent 20 years in the USAF, then scratched together a living being self-employed, helping to build that realty money.

            But that is history now too. Quit working altogether on 1 Jan 2015.

            Now spend roughly half my time at home in the US, the other half traveling outside of the US.

          • 0 avatar

            RH – He also quietly refrains from discussing his quite nice pension from the AF. Not unearned, but it’s funny how conveniently he gets to earn that pension and wants the rest of us out here on 401Ks…..

            The irony burns.

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            I have some good friends in the military. According to them, making it 20 yrs isn’t exactly easy, and the pension, while nice, isn’t exactly living in the lap of luxury.

            I’ve had a 401(k) at each of my jobs, and I have few complaints. I don’t envy people with pensions, in large part because my investments in my 401(k)’s will pay much more than a pension. (Yes–I’ve done the calcs and looked at the real comparisons).

            Also, pensions aren’t free money–they absolutely do come out of people’s paychecks. One of my jobs had a pension, and it was significantly funded by direct withdrawals from your paycheck. I.e., if you didn’t contribute to it like a 401(k), you got pittance, and if you did contribute, you got a return less than half of a typical 401(k). Also, at a certain pay threshold, pension contributions became mandatory, so you didn’t even have a choice about what gets withheld. That pension wasn’t a trust fund; my money wasn’t tucked away earning a return. It was put into a slush fund for the company for them to use however they saw fit, and they just booked payments to pensioners as an expense.

            But not everyone knows how to budget, plan, invest, etc. They don’t make wise decisions. For them the pension is much better, even if it doesn’t have the same return. I don’t want pensions to go away, but I don’t think they are an inherently better option. This is a case where the market benefits from a variety of products being available to satisfy each individual’s needs.

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            Xer, when I retired from the Air Force in 1985 my retirement was $805 a month, exactly half of my pay.

            Not a lot of money.

            That’s why I had to eke out a living any way I could.

            It all turned out well. I did very well.

            Life is good.

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            No reply buttons further down the chain here, and apropos of little except the value overall of military pensions:

            At age 36, struggling to eke out a more than just adequate living as a branch manager for an office of a large Beltway consulting firm, and recently divorced, I thought about the idea of going back into the Marine Corps, and trying to make it into the officer corps.

            I had been a grunt in my tees and early twenties, for a single stint, but had just read a study by the Rand Corporation which is my main point.

            Turns out I had missed the age cutoff at that time by just over a year. But the idea of retiring at 56 with half-officer-pay or at 66 with two-thirds, seemed like a decent career/retirement plan.

            Seems the RAND study showed that for an educated person who worked in “industry” vs. one who went into the military, the person who elected for the military made out much better over their full lifetime than all but the very top tier of those in industry.

            While I knew I would have to work like hell to make the grade and would have to put up with a fair amount of crap over twenty to thirty years, at that time, in a down economy, it seemed like a reasonable alternative.

            So much so that I considered encouraging my twenty one year old son to go that route, until the current “leadership” of our country handed us such “victories” as Benghazi and the death of an entire SEAL team when they were all shot down by a rocket, after being loaded into a single helicopter in combat territory.

            But the takehome is that in general, doing twenty or thirty in the military, especially for an officer, provides a pretty cushy ride, IF you don’t get screwed over by what passes for leadership in the military these days.

            But of course, that IF has gotten so large that it would take a much larger font to place it in proportion here.

            And before I get flamed, I don’t begrudge anyone who stuck it out getting their gravy…they earned it. But I refuse to believe that it was a particularly difficult path, either, and ditto for most civil servants, including police officers and firemen.

            For an enlisted person, on the other hand, I would think that they would be left in a fairly tight spot when they retired at a typical age of either forty or fifty.

            And as always, YMMV.

        • 0 avatar

          If they’re a great thing for people, why are *people* rejecting them?

          The only thing unions seem to be great for now, is union bosses.

          • 0 avatar

            As a kid, I grew up in a union household and I remember how happy my parents were to finally be able to break away from their unions and go to work in a non-union environment.

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          Disproving a converse does nothing to address validity of the original statement.

          IMO, we should embrace what is good for both worker and industry. And no, they are not mutually exclusive.

          If a union harms a business, it eventually harms the workers, too. The UAW seemed to be at that point before the crash. I can’t say if they still act in such a way, but I think the UAW cares more about the UAW than their members.

      • 0 avatar

        Unless Abraham Lincoln was secretly Chinese, he needs to get credit for that proverb. :-D

      • 0 avatar

        One local, representing less than 7% of FCA’s UAW members and whose members have a particular grievance, voted against the contract (about 55-60% voted no, according to DN).

        This is hardly news. Let’s see how the other 93% vote before we jump to any conclusions.

    • 0 avatar

      The UAW has become big business, just like the big companies it claims to protect its members from.

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    Does anyone know what the job requirements typically are for people looking into the entry level, or “third tier”, jobs are? Do they require a college/technical degree?

    if they don’t require a degree, these wages seem more than fair.

    Heck, post-2009, these wages sound fair even with a degree!

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      “Fair” is being interpreted as a comparison to others, not a inherent value. Being paid $22/hr with benefits to do non-skilled labor isn’t ‘fair’ if someone else is being paid $25/hr for the same work.

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    They’re making about 2x what warehouse folks make at Amazon, etc. plus a pretty decent bennies package. Just another reason why OEM service parts are priced dearly.

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