By on August 20, 2015

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Ford’s plans for the Mustang may include their 10-speed automatic transmission, jointly developed with General Motors, and a Mach 1 version, according to Automotive News (via Motor Authority).

The amazingly engineered 10-speed, which will make an appearance on the new Ford F-150 Raptor, may be mated to Ford’s four-cylinder EcoBoost engine in the Mustang in the U.S. — and only in the Mustang — which feels weird.

But Mach 1(!)

The report is fairly sketchy on whether Ford will revive the nameplate from the 1970s (and early 2000s, I guess) for this generation. According to the story, the Mach 1 may not arrive until 2018, which would be one to two years before the Mustang would be due for a major update.

It’s unclear what engine Ford may stuff into the future Mach 1. Every version up until now has included a V-8 strapped under the hood, but Ford’s upcoming GT hypercar will have a twin-turbocharged V-6, so things have clearly changed.

Any mention of the Mach 1 probably brings up more memories of this than this, so it could be a good move to help move more Mustangs toward the end of its lifecycle. But for now, I guess we’ll just have to deal with our flat-plane V-8 noises from the GT350.

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53 Comments on “Ford May Offer 10-speed Mustang, Maybe With Mach 1 Name...”


  • avatar

    How about a Mustang with 1000 HORSEPOWER EGOboost and a 10-speed?

    You people just aren’t serious.

  • avatar
    bball40dtw

    The 10 speed will be hooked up to the 2.3T, V6, and 5.0L. It replaces the 6R transmission. Also, it will be the only application of the 2.3T with the 10 speed because Ford doesn’t have any other RWD products that use the 2.3T.

    The 2.3T is also in the Explorer, Focus, and MKC. It will eventually make it’s way into other products.

    Also, the GT is getting a power bump in the refresh via DI and there will be a Mustang slotted above the GT350R.

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

      ” because Ford doesn’t have any other RWD products that use the 2.3T.”

      They would if they made a renewed Bronco (as a Wrangler-compeditor) based on a short version of the global Ranger platform. That would be sweeeeeet. It would (hopefully) become a cult classic like the Wrangler, except without all the screwy unreliable Chrysler electronics, etc.

      I say base its looks off the upcoming Raptor. Offer two- and four-door soft and hardtop versions. It would be visually distinctive from the Wrangler, yet offer a worthy alternative to it. Make the hood long enough to offer the Transit’s PowerStroke I-5 TurboDiesel as an option. Possibly even offer F-150’s 2.7L EcoBoost as a top-rung option. 10 speed auto or 6 speed manual with locking diffs, low range, etc. The works.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        If Ford ever made a Bronco again, they probably won’t, it would be based on the F150/Expedition and be a shortened version with SuperCab doors. At that size it would be a V6/V8 affair (probably just the 3.5TT).

        They basically have a Bronco in Brazil called the Troller T4, but there is zero chance of it coming here.

        • 0 avatar
          stuki

          Covered, shortened wheelbase Raptor actually would be a serious Wrangler competitor….

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            It would be great.

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            CAFE favors vehicles with large ‘footprints,’ meaning long wheelbases and wide tracks for anything that doesn’t sip fuel. It was part of the deal the UAW-3 made to sell us down the river.

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

          I am aware of the T4, and for what it would cost to federalize it, they could probably develop a whole new model, like the one Im thinking of.

          A Wrangler-fighter born in the good ole US of A with 2- and 4-door options like Wrangler would do well since Ford doesnt have anything smaller than Expedition/F-150 that is a full-frame, “real” SUV/truck in North America. Make it with an aluminum body, and RHD capable so it could sell in Austraila and the like, competing with the Toyota Fortuner or however its spelled, and so on.

          Marketing it on a global scale and using bits from the current global Ranger to develop it would make for a decent business case. It shouldnt be as big as the midsize Ranger, just make it roughly the size of the Wrangler, only with an aluminum body, an optional diesel, and Raptor-esque styling. If its popular enough, launch a pickup version. Answer all the Wrangler fan’s requests (diesel power and a pickup bodystyle), and sit back and count the money rolling in.

          I believe the profit margin would be high enough that they could risk canabolizing F-150 sales, but honestly, I dont think there is much of a risk of that, at least not as much as there would be in selling the midsize Ranger here.

          Like the Ford Edge, I believe they could ask quite a bit for the vehicle and get it with no problem. Few, if anybody, would cross-shop a Bronco and a crossover or full size pickup. Its main competition (size wise or not) aside from Wrangler would be Colorado, Tacoma and Frontier 4x4s, and Im not talking about the pickup version. This is for people who want to actually use their 4X4 as a 4X4 (or at least want to project the image associated with such vehicles). An Escape or Equinox gives off none of the image a Wrangler does, and I think Ford could capitalize on that with this vehicle.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Ford does not care. They have no interest in selling trucks/SUVs in the US that are not based on the F150 or SuperDuty platforms. Zero.

          • 0 avatar
            Dan

            Not only that, the CAFE penalties for smaller vehicles make short wheelbase F-150 derivatives exceedingly unlikely.

            That’s where all the 6’5 bed crew cabs are coming from this generation. The RCSB won’t last much longer either.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        JohnTaurus,
        The Everest is a T6 Ranger based SUV. It comes with the 2 litre EcoBoost in some markets, which the 2.3 is based.

        From what I’ve read it is expensive, even more expensive than some LR Discos. But it apparently is a competent off roader.

        It’s another good vehicle not destined for the US market.

        Why hasn’t TTAC done more articles relating to the Everest, like the just released Navara? Hmmm……it seems the Navara at least will have some influence on the next Frontier.

        A link for a review on the Everest;

        http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/2015-ford-everest-review-first-drive-34742#.VdbcYrvn9Ms

        http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/2015-ford-everest-review-first-drive-34742#.VdbcYrvn9Ms

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al From 'Murica

          If by “some influence” you mean will be the next Frontier with some suited for America engines, then yes. I’ve driven plenty of Everests. They are solid but not really anything special.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            Big Al from Afghanistan?
            You seem to have driven or owned everything.

            So, you’ve driven the latest Everest??

            Read the article.

            You supposed past experience might not be of much value. Even regarding the new Navara.

            Yeah, I’ve driven and we used to own a F Series. BFD.

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

          @Al from Oz. Evidently you did not read or did not understand in the least what I am talking about. That is not unusual for you.

          I love the Everest, but Im thinking something smaller (as I stated many times thus far). Thats why I suggested a Ranger-based vehicle, but with a *shorter frame and smaller footprint, like that of the Wrangler*. The Everest is a 7-passenger vehicle, what wouldve been our new Explorer if CAFE wasnt a factor. Its a great SUV, but too big for what I picture this Bronco being. Had you read what I was suggesting (a WRANGLER-SIZED SUV, NOT A DURANGO/GRAND CHEROKEE SIZED SUV), you wouldnt have mentioned the Everest. Given your ignorance as evidenced by your previous posts, this is not at all surprising.

          This vehicle would be more along the lines of the Defender 90 instead of the Diso. A smaller SUV would be better for tight trails, ones the Raptor would not be able to go down, not because it isnt capable, but because itll end up wedged between two trees or falling off a hillside trail that is too narrow for a truck that big. A properly trim Bronco should be able to go anywhere a Wrangler can.

          To those who mentioned MPG/CAFE: FCA seems to be able to pull it off with the Wrangler, and with the Bronco’s aluminum body, 10 speed auto, and reasonably efficient engines, it should get far better mileage than the current Wrangler.

          The way I see the line up:

          Base model (2- or 4-door): 2.3L EcoBoost standard or optional I-5 diesel currently in the Transit. Rubber floors, vinyl seats on XL, cloth/carpet on XLT. soft top or removable hardtop. 6 speed manual standard (taken from Ranger), 10 speed auto optional (taken from Raptor, etc).

          Top model (4-door only, XLT trim only): 2.7L EcoBoost V-6 as used in the current F-150 standard with the 10-speed only, nicer interior but no major frills (if the customer wants a premium interior feel, point him towards an Edge). Hardtop only, possibly removable.

          (Later) pickup bodystyle using the 4-door frame but only two doors. If they want a full four door crew cab pickup, point them towards F-150.

          Offering the I-5 PowerStroke and 2.7L V-6 EcoBoost in more than just one model each (as they currently are) would create a better economy of scale.

          Basing the Bronco off a shorter Ranger platform would save development costs as the axles, transmission (manual), 4wd system, steering system, suspension systems etc have already been developed. The most time consuming (and expensive) part would be designing the aluminum body, creating a shorter version of the Ranger’s frame without loosing rigidity, and designing both LHD and RHD dashes (the RHD could use the Everest/Ranger dash already in use).

          Next on my list is a “coupe utility” based off Transit Connect, with an optional 2.3L EcoBoost. FWD with optional “on-road-based” AWD (not an option for serious off roading).

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            JohnTaurus,
            I’m sorry I literally took what you actually wrote as what you intended. My bad?

            Here’s your comment, oh the new Everest is about the size of a 4 door Wrangler and it is based on the T6 Ranger…………but on a shorter wheelbase.

            “””Marketing it on a global scale and using bits from the current global Ranger to develop it would make for a decent business case. It shouldnt be as big as the midsize Ranger, just make it roughly the size of the Wrangler””

            Hmmmmmm………..got ya wires crossed, mate?

            WTF??? Really John, or just a cheap shot?

    • 0 avatar
      johnny_5.0

      Do you know what model year(s) the changes will come? I originally assumed they’d go DI for 2016 to fight the Camaro but that isn’t happening. I’m curious if they will have enough capacity for the 10 speed in 2017 MY for higher-than-Raptor volume vehicles like the Mustang or regular F150 (which would get dibs for FE reasons among others). While Sync 3 and Android Auto are nice to have features in a 2016, it would suck to buy one if the first big Coyote changes come one year later with the 10 speed in tow. The Getrag has been nothing to write home about, I’d probably opt for the new auto.

  • avatar
    ajla

    “Every version up until now has included a V-8 strapped under the hood”

    The Pintostang version of the Mach 1 came with a V6.

  • avatar

    That is good and all, but at what point is the added performance and fuel-economy of a transmission with more gears counteracted by its increased complexity and failure rates? This is an especially relevant question for a Mustang, whose value proposition is partially that it won’t disintegrate like an A5 or 435i.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      You’re right. We should all go back to the Powerglide.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      You’d still have a huge advantage with the car being common, if the 10-speed goes bad, on your dime. So set aside a good $5,000. Or sign over the pink to the tranny shop . 6-speed trannies won’t be much cheaper though. That’s the way it goes with new cars. Pop a head gasket and you’re out a few 1,000.

      That’s the way the OEMs have it planned. Cars will be too expensive and complexed to fix. Even with used parts you install yourself.

      You’re probably too young to remember the TV repairman. Yeah we used to have our TVs fixed, just like our cars.

      Or learn to drive or live with a manual trans. Until they’re taken away.

      • 0 avatar
        Drzhivago138

        I’ve learned to drive manual. It’s not much of an accomplishment. There was a Zenith repairman who lived behind the Dairy Queen and retired 15 years ago, died about 5 years ago.

        I am quite aware of the increasing complexity of vehicles. Nowhere is that more apparent than in agriculture. A new “decent-sized” tractor starts at $100K and can be sidelined by a faulty code somewhere. But our 40+-year-old machines (agriculture is about the only field where using tech older than you are is not only commonplace, it’s almost expected) have been in the shop much more than our 15-year-old ones.

        If it works for all the people who don’t see much joy in driving, okay. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          OK, how about a 10-speed manual trans? Or a 25-speed manual like they had in The Fast and The Furious race cars?? But why should manuals stop at 6 or 7?

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Because no one is developing manual transmissions. Everything that exists now is just updates of existing transmissions that have been out for awhile. No one is going to spend money on a new one.

            Transmissions won’t continue adding gears lime they have in the last decade. This 10 speed will be excellent in a truck or sports car application. It can handle and manage power like current 6 speeds cannot.

        • 0 avatar
          matador

          Plus, a lot of the tractors built today are more likely to be damaged more severely in fires. My father had a Massey Harris 92 combine catch fire. He put it out, and did some repairs, and was back to work. The fiberglass sides that the new ones have makes them more likely to be destroyed.

          In 50 years, the all time great tractors (A-C 190XT, Deere 4520, IH 806,…) will still be in the field. There will be fewer, granted, but some will be in use. In 50 years, will many people be using a Massey 471? I doubt it….

        • 0 avatar
          otaku

          Or the one…

          RIP Leonard Nimoy

      • 0 avatar
        krhodes1

        You need to get off your own lawn.

      • 0 avatar
        JimC2

        “You’re probably too young to remember the TV repairman. Yeah we used to have our TVs fixed, just like our cars.”

        My old man is a television repairman, he’s got this ultimate set of tools.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      “At what point is the added performance and fuel-economy of a transmission with more gears counteracted by its increased complexity and failure rates?”

      Well it’s not 10 speeds.

      The 10R will be a better and more robust transmission than the 6R. It will handle more HP and torque.

      This 10 will be more reliable than most 6s.

      • 0 avatar
        wmba

        Well, let’s hope your Ford geniuses have designed something that doesn’t dither making up its mind what gear to go to when you give the throttle a prod.

        The 9 speed ZF pretends nothing even happened when you do that.

        A 10-speed is an economy transmission, all these new ones are. Putting it in a souped-up Mustang seems like a liability to me on a track even in manumatic mode. Too many gears to remember what’s going on. Even Formula One doesn’t bother with so many and those drivers are actually awake.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          Like the deep dive article stated in regards to this transmission, this is forward progress. It’s an impressive piece of kit that is beyond current transmissions. Programming will be key. Ford has two major transmission families right now a one of them has great programming (6R) while the other is hit or miss (6F).

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            Is the GM link-up one of the helps? THM trannies tend to be pretty good. (This from the Honda (crystal automatic) side! ;-) )

        • 0 avatar
          statikboy

          I fail to see a purpose for a 9 or 10 speed transmission the way they are geared for trucks since even most 5-speed auto trucks seem to shift down for even the slightest hill or throttle input. (Manual trans. trucks don’t seem to have this problem, pulling strongly in top gear up moderate hills.) Unless they are geared low enough that the first 3 gears are locked out until you shift into 4wd-low, saving those gears for Low only, since a truck motor should have enough torque to pull through a slightly more spread out ratio range. I’m not a truck guy, but as I understand it, this would eliminate the transfer case, making both the truck lighter and the driveline more efficient. Please, someone, correct me if I have this wrong.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al From 'Murica

      And ride a 4 speed bike somewhere really hilly and then jump on a 10 speed. Which one wore you out more.

  • avatar
    Drzhivago138

    My dream Mustang is still and always will be a Mustang II Ghia with a 300 Six dropped in.

  • avatar
    Joss

    A stang which will spend more time changing gear than any before it.

  • avatar
    TrailerTrash

    Really not much from the 70s I want ever brought back.

    Not those close.
    Not that hair.
    Not that damn disco.
    Not the presidents.

    But the Mach 1 would be OK with me.

    And right now I am struggling with what is the better convertible value…the Mustang or the Miata.
    Just like a compact vs a mid sized car…paying just a little more always gets you a whole lot more car.

    Thinkin the V6 stang convertible for 28 is a better deal than the Miata. It has a back seat for my stuff.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al From 'Murica

      Secret Servers with data erased, check. Feathered Hair, check. The music, well it ain’t disco but I am not sure it is better. Add the complex emission controls and all you need is a jacket with elbow pads and some bellbottoms and you can relive the malaise!

  • avatar
    dolorean

    I liked the early 2000’s Mach 1 with, at that time, the highest, naturally aspirated HP motor ever offered in a Stang, and the resurgence of the fabulous to watch Shaker Hood. Ford was genius, being clever in the long-in-the-tooth SN-97 body style still riding on a ’79 Fairmont chassis, by offering the special edition models like the Mach 1, Bullit, and my personal fav the IRS supercharged ’03-’04 SVT Cobra, to keep sales rolling and interest in the brand.

    Be great to see a new Mach 1 though not sure how Ford’s gonna get the Shaker to groove with a twin-turboed six.

  • avatar
    Jerome10

    I didn’t know until now this 10 speed was for RWD applications. Had always assumed it was for front drive based vehicles.

    Which makes me ask… Does ford have anything coming soon for these FWD cars beyond 6 gears?

  • avatar
    kosmo

    Would it EVER stop shifting? I test drove a car with the ZF 8-speed, and it drove me NUTS.

    (Thanks for the CAPS, Big Al. If I’d known they upset some, I would have started using them MUCH sooner!)

  • avatar
    65corvair

    Never buy an all new transmission from Ford the first year…I mean decade.

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