By on June 3, 2015

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Mahindra & Mahindra’s Ssangyong is looking to enter the U.S. market, with a planned rival to the Jeep Wrangler leading the charge.

The Wrangler fighter would be based upon the recently introduced Tivoli compact crossover while styling would be greatly influenced by the Ssangyong Korando, a vehicle whose life began as a licensed Jeep CJ-7 clone, Autocar reports. Power for the proposed model would also come from the Tivoli, which includes 1.6-liter gasoline and diesel engines, as well as an EV variant.

Ssangyong’s first entry into the U.S. market follows years of avoiding said market due to the huge investment it would have needed to make in order to build models aimed at attracting American consumers, per one company source:

The company has never cracked North America because it requires a huge investment, and because the distributor model that we use in other territories wouldn’t really work in the USA. But a Wrangler-style high-design 4×4 could create the waves we’d need in order to make a mark over there. At the same time, it’d work really well for us in the UK and Europe at a time when building profile is absolutely key.

The Tivoli-based model would follow the long-wheelbase version of the Tivoli set for 2016, and would be produced alongside the crossover.

[Photo credit: Minseong Kim/Wikimedia Commons/CC BY-SA 4.0]

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67 Comments on “Ssangyong Planning Jeep Wrangler Rival For US Market Debut...”


  • avatar
    Hummer

    So give us the only thing a wrangler lacks, a V8, not a poverty spec lawnmower engine.
    Also, has no concept has been produced yet?

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      Wait is that Honda Fit thing above suppose to compete with the wrangler? Haha, what a total joke.

    • 0 avatar
      TW5

      Please. The 2-door Wrangler (real Wrangler) is the size of a Honda Fit. The 3.6L Pentastar is already ridiculous, but necessary for altitude and crawling. V8 isn’t necessary in the JKU, either.

      Jeep is rapidly losing its ruggedness. Suzuki Samurai clone with a 1.6L 4-banger would scare the Jeep engineers and marketing people. Jeeps are great, but they are too nice to use for most people, and the fuel economy is awful.

      Nobody fantasizes about a V8 Jeeps that drown at the first creek crossing, and that’s why Jeep doesn’t build them. Plenty of people dream about cheap fuel efficient Wranglers that they can customize and use.

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        “Plenty of people dream about cheap fuel efficient Wranglers that they can customize and use.”

        That’s me!

        I’ll take mine with a plug, and an electric power takeoff panel.

        I don’t need it, but I want it enough to open my wallet and make concessions to my wife.

        An efficient diesel would scratch the itch, too, but I can wait a few years for that one.

        • 0 avatar
          TW5

          So……you’re telling me you want to drive an electrified vehicle through a creek bed?

          • 0 avatar
            redliner

            Well, it’s not like it’s an engineering impossibility.

            Old diesel subs ran on batteries, and they only killed the crew sometimes. :-p Sea-water would rush in and flood the battery compartments, releasing toxic gases in the process… But then, if there was water inside, you had bigger problems.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        A V8 Wrangler would be able to conquest pickup sales, it would certainly get a sale from me, I’ve looked into the after market 5.7 and 6.4l swaps but couldn’t justify buying a new vehicle, ripping it apart, and then buying all new engine/tranny combo parts, costs, and labor. A modern V8 is much lighter than a 500 caddy.

        The Wranglers fuel economy is more than acceptable for the many that buy them, it doesn’t need to get 26 MPG to prove anything. As far as Jeep losing its credibility, Jeep as a brand has the Wrangler, that’s it, but Ssangyong certainly isn’t going to compete with the Jeep brand with a FWD lifted crossover.

        The few cheap arses that feel they can afford to buy a new(or used) Wrangler but somehow can’t afford to fuel it can stick to the left over samurais on Craigslist.

        • 0 avatar
          87 Morgan

          Can someone define crappy mpg? My 2 door 6mt 3.6 wrangler gets 19.5 in all city stop and go driving. Capable 4×4 with a removable targa top, and the rest of the top, and the doors if you want. Seems reasonable enough for me. My wife loves it and drives it most often. What is so poseur about that?

  • avatar
    KW1

    I’ll believe it when I see it. Looks good, though.

  • avatar
    sirwired

    As their slogan says “There’s Only One Jeep”…

    Unless they are practically giving these things away, I don’t see a lot of folks defecting from the quite reasonably-priced base Wrangler to save a few bucks by buying a no-name import. (One that sounds Chinese, no less; yes, I know it’s a Korean brand owned by an Indian conglomerate.)

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      The people who have already bought jeeps probably aren’t the target market.

      People who want Jeeps but who haven’t bought one for whatever reason are where the sales are.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        So seven sales? I mean, if you want a Jeep, why would you not buy a Wrangler?

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          Don’t attack a new market with a competitor to a model where people are VERY brand loyal and have been for 50 years.

          Ssangyong has been in trouble many times before, and they haven’t proven (at least to me in the first-hand evidence I’ve seen) they can build their own decent car. They always rely on Benz platforms and engines, then they put a poorly-screwed (usually ugly) body on top which rots and falls off.

          And they make this (the Rodius), for which they shan’t be forgiven.

          http://www.larevueautomobile.com/images/SsangYong/Rodius/Exterieur/SsangYong_Rodius_001.jpg

          They also make this (Actyon Sports).

          http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/comment-image/238934.jpg

          Interesting factoid – since they used the Jeep clone as the Korando, they also made a Trooper clone as the Korando Family (rare to see today in Korea, I don’t think they sold well and/or fell apart).

          http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Ssangyong_Korando_Family_RX_260_1995.jpg

  • avatar
    jkk6

    If Tata can do turn around JLR, hopefully Mahindra can pull it off as well seeing as they have an abundance of capital just waiting to use it to penetrate the biggest auto market in the world.

    Last time I was in Korea 2010, Ssangyong factory was on strike,

    Chinese extracted most of their IP, and dealers lots were full of

    brand new MY05 Musso’s that were designed in 1993.

    From an American standard, I’d buy a Isuzu or Suzuki before touching any of their products.

    The only thing this company has going for them in their domestic Korean market was a “exotic” Benz diesel engine that was easily serviced for other Euro markets and a old E-Class platform that underpinned their Chairman Saloon Sedan.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @jkk6,
      I really don’t know how you saw Musso’s on the lot in 2010, they finished their production back in 06.

      The Musso was replaced by the Rexton, which is quite a good vehicle for it’s price. The Rexton sells for around $40k here in Australia, driveaway, no more to pay or around $38k.

      This would translate to around $30k for a diesel proper 4×4 with high and low.

      They are quite large around 7′ wide and a bit over 15′ long.

      I have a link to the Rexton below. This would sell in the US, but not in significant numbers.

      It seems many are hung up in the US over numbers moved. Here in Australia we manage to have continuous vehicle lines that sell under 1 000 per year and these are not exotic vehicles.

      • 0 avatar
        SlowMyke

        Your market is much smaller, and several large local players are turning into imports in the near future. It’s very expensive to get into the US market, with our different regulations. You need volume to get a solid foot hold. Unless Ssangyong suddenly finds meeting US regulations to be cheap and easy and finds a willing sales partner, they’ll need the volume to make it worthwhile.

    • 0 avatar
      Signal11

      @jkk6

      You’re full of it.

      You didn’t see dealer lots full of 05 Mussos in 2010.

      In fact, you didn’t see full dealer lots at all because there is no such thing as new dealer lots in Korea. Dealers have showrooms but don’t keep an inventory. You select model and trim at the dealer, then the car is delivered to the dealer for pickup.

  • avatar
    Speed3

    I for one welcome this. Jeep doesn’t exactly set a high bar for build quality.

    Hopefully Ssangyang is the first of a new wave of Asian automakers entering the NA market. In the end the consumers only win with more choices and competition.

    Also, speaking of Jeep and build quality. Could you imagine if FCA products were built to Honda-level quality? I think Honda is my preferred Automaker to acquire FCA.

    • 0 avatar

      There’s choice and competition and there’s hopeless junk. Won’t make a dent in the Jeep market. And all the flaws and tradeoffs one associates with Jeep is what makes it such an endearing icon to people who actually go out and buy them.

      Wind noise. Rattles. Choppy ride. School cafeteria-grade plastics. 5 wheezy years of that hillarious 3.8l V6.

      Doesn’t matter. Still Jeep.

      • 0 avatar
        Charliej

        So what you are saying is that Jeeps are to cars, what Harley Davidsons are to motorcycles? A poser mobile, that people drive to be seen in, rather than drive because they like it? Like Harleys are bought by middle aged accountants having a mid life crisis. Put on a pair of jeans and a denim vest and you too can terrorize the little old ladies. All they need is a “Born to be Mild” tattoo. Jeeps symbolize the great outdoors, even if the only off roading is in your driveway. You are an outdoors man in your Jeep.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          Charlie, I hope your not foolish enough to believe what you just posted. Harley Davidson is an American icon, why you feel the need to trash it is anyone’s guess. I drove Harley’s in college to and from school, and at almost 35, I’m looking at a new softtail. I certainly hope 35 isn’t Midlife for me, but I certainly know I’m in no crisis. And again why denigrate Jeep, who cares if it’s only used as a daily driver or as a old ladies Sunday driver. They bought and paid for it with their money, it’s none of your GD business what they do with it.

          You must be a very bitter old man, I’d suggest bumping up the blood pressure medicine dosage, or either taking a breath and doing something enjoyable for once in your life.

          I certainly enjoyed driving my Harley’s more than any of the foreign bikes friends had in my college days, just as I enjoy driving a 3.5 ton truck as a daily driver. Dare to be different, you may find something more enjoyable than your Camry.

          • 0 avatar
            Charliej

            Harley may be an American icon, but it’s riders are not. You enjoyed “driving” your Harley. You don’t “drive” motorcycles, you ride them. I rode Harleys fifty years ago. I got tired of the ancient engineering that Harleys live by. Noise and vibration get old when you grow up. When I was talking about Harleys, I was mostly talking about the middle age bozos that have to get a bike to try and keep their youth. Instead of getting a bike they can handle, they buy a Harley, because of the “bad boy” image. Then over the next few months, they have few minor crashes or one big one. Hopefully they don’t kill themselves or their wife, on the back. I welcome all riders, but please get a bike that you can actually handle. You will fall eventually. Get a bike that you can pick up by yourself when you do fall.

        • 0 avatar
          87 Morgan

          @charliej, I would appreciate if you would clarify why a wrangler is a poser car/SUV. You may not like them, good for you. You certainly can’t be upset about them ‘racing’ around the neighborhood; too slow. So what is it? What’s wrong with someone having a convertible that has four wheel drive, so ready…you can use it in winter.

          Better yet, how about enlighten the rest of us to what you drive. My money is on a Lexus, Camry, or Honda product. It had better be one of the two later because otherwise you are a poser as well.

          I just loath the “he drives X so he has a small…or is a poser or a fill in the blank”. How about, go blow it out your arse. I own what I want, make no payments, and enjoy them because it’s fun. When I’m done I sell them move on to the next. Maybe someday I will not pose for anything and give up and get an ES350 like every other baby boomer cranky white guy who ‘made it’.

          Rant over

          • 0 avatar
            Charliej

            87 Morgan, I drive a twelve year old Ford Escape. I drive this car because it has eight inches of ground clearance and I live in the mountains of Mexico. I need a vehicle with clearance to ford shallow streams, clearance to clear rocks and stumps, and clearance to make it over the topes. The reason that I said poser mobile, is because very few people who buy a new Jeep Wrangler will be taking it seriously offroad. Serious offroaders usually buy a used Jeep to play in. My previous car was a Chrsyler. For ten years. Before that it was an Acura Legend. For sixteen years. I keep my cars for a long time, and no I don’t have a poser mobile.

  • avatar

    A Jeep Wrangler rival would be a cheap vehicle to develop in terms of engineering.

    It would be an expensive vehicle in terms of sales…because it wouldn’t sell at all. The types of people who buy Wranglers are going to be extremely averse to an obscure—in the US—South Korean automaker. Most of them will think it’s Chinese, and that’s an even bigger problem. They’re banking on enough people falling in love with the truck that they ignore their reservations and buy it; I don’t think that’s likely to happen. But it’d be cool if it did.

    • 0 avatar

      Unless they aim for a Tracker/Samauri-style bare-bones 4×4, there’s no hope for the reasons you mentioned and then some. The only marque that put Jeep on their toes and gave them a wakeup call was HUMMER.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        @Flybrain,
        I don’t think Ssyangyong is out to topple Jeep.

        In our market Ssyanyong appear to be happy just selling some vehicles.

        Ssyangyong are actually a very good manufacturer nowadays.

        They do make some unusual looking vehicles, but the quality is extremely high for their price asked.

        We have a SUV here called the Rexton, I would consider one as it would be on par with a Japanese manufactured SUV.

        http://www.caradvice.com.au/313746/ssangyong-rexton-review/

  • avatar
    RHD

    According to Wikipedia, the Tivoli is front wheel drive, not 4WD. Unless it carries a supercharger and a turbo, that 1.6 liter engine will be a hindrance. If it isn’t prettied up (for the ladies) or available with Mitsubishi-like financing, SsangYong will repeat the history of Yugo, Daihatsu and Suzuki.
    And, seriously, do they really plan to enter the US market with only one model??!!

  • avatar
    3XC

    By analogy, this proposed Wrangler-fighter reminds me of the first wave of Japanese cruisers built to take on Harley-Davidson. The brand fanatics will never so much as consider it. Nevermind that the Japanese made bikes were vastly better made than the AMF Harleys. Inferior build quality at double the price and HD still was moving units out of dealerships.

    Only a small percentage of off-road enthusiasts will give SsangYong a fair shake and consider it on its merits. The best they can do is hope to capture a smattering of younger guys and gals who for whatever reason (financing, although FCA is pretty flexible) can’t get a Jeep, or who dare to be different.

    • 0 avatar
      gtemnykh

      I think that offroad guys are more open minded brandwise, as long as the newcomer has the right underpinnings. And those underpinnings absolutely must include a frame, at least one solid axle (if not both), a low range transfer case, and good approach/departure angles and ground clearance. The absolute dearth of such offroad-ready options these days would make people eager to at least check out the new kid on the block.

    • 0 avatar
      SlowMyke

      The problem with all that is you assume the vehicle brought over would actually be competitive with the jeep. There’s not a chance that thing will have the competence and build quality of a wrangler. There’s a reason the established Asian brands, American brands, and European brands don’t face much competition from these other Asian brands in any established markets. It’s not just from perceived reputation and expense to enter the market. If there were truly quality product, it’d be here. Everyone clambered for Euro hatches here for years and now we have them. No one’s clambering for a Ssangyong anything.

      And Tata’s stewardship of JLR is just that, stewardship. They aren’t building any of it themselves. They are pumping funds into the companies to get then developing as they should.

      The only people that would buy a totally unestablished brand in a niche that only jeep has been able to thrive in for the last few decades are people who insist on new and have such terrible credit they can’t afford a 108 month loan on a base wrangler. GM, Toyota, Nissan… None of them have been able to keep a legitimate contender around and they each have huge established markets already. Ssangyong will find a lot of cold shoulders.

      I think the only way a brand like this would succeed is to compete in markets where price rules or the main players have basically abandoned the segment. Make a truly midsize or compact pickup. Make a midsize car at compact price. I don’t see anything else getting a brand off the ground.

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        Come on, the Wrangler looks like a Kubota tractor underneath. The suspension setup and has been obsolete since befere I was borne and can be rebuilt by an amateur in someone’s driveway and reengineered by a small shop.

        It’s not a matter of competence. It’s a matter of being willing to accept the tradeoffs required to actually sell a vehicle with the properties of a Jeep.

        This simplicity is also what gives Jeeps then appeal. Personally, though, I’d like to see this level of radical simplicity and field-servicibility on a more modern architecture.

        • 0 avatar
          SlowMyke

          Is it obsolete if it beats all the competition? It’s a simple vehicle that has avoided unnecessary complication. I think it’s more effective than obsolete. Sure it’s based on old architecture, but it’s been updated. Jeep, and it’s owner’s, have figured out what the market wants in terms capability and image and deliver it in spades. Of course people that expect very civilized and efficient rides and have no need for off road capability won’t be happy with this vehicle.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          Luke, no need to fix what isn’t broken, there is nothing obsolete about the Wrangler, it works better than any of its competitors ( ignoring the fact the 4Runner is now the only competitor) if it was so easy to build something that was better and modern, don’tcha think someone would have done it? There is nothing to change, maybe a better engine and a larger version, but the formula is spot on.

        • 0 avatar

          I thought to argue a bit, on the basis of taking a few corners faster than people in cars with all-independent suspensions. Modern Wrangler is not as sophisticated as the previous Mustang, but its suspension is trickier than it looks, in service of so-called “road manners”. But then I remembered that I repaired a Wrangler suspension with a cargo strap and it worked enough to reach the pavement.

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      Exactly what merits does it have? It’s easy to criticize FCA and every previous company to own Jeep, but ssangyong is telling us they want to rebadge a (Honda Fit-esque) uniframe as a wrangler competitor. That’s not a Wrangler competitor, if your looking to buy a wrangler what merits does this have?

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        If it has offroad abilities and radical simplicity under the hood, it seems like it could be a wortwhile competitor.

        A bunched up CUV isn’t interesting.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          I’m not quite catching your comment, sure radical simplicity and actual offroad ability is the key to success. Unfortunately, this vehicle is being based on a car platform which as bad as that is, its made worse by the fact that the platform wasn’t even originally designed with this in mind. This is basically going to be a butched up crossover, mark my words you will not be able to see the mid point of the tire from looking straight toward the front of the vehicle.

  • avatar
    gtemnykh

    I don’t understand the logic of trying to “fight” the off-road credible Wrangler with a vehicle that is based on a unibody, fwd crossover, with only the styling borrowed from a real BOF 4×4. Boggles the mind.

    I do think that there is an opportunity for someone to pick up where Suzuki left off with the Samurai/tracker. Undercut the Wrangler in size and price. Although I’m not sure if it would be possible to engineer something that small with a frame and solid axles while still maintaining modern crashworthiness, let alone the whole issue of CAFE.

  • avatar

    They should have stuck to their original plan of importing small pickups and truckish SUV’s. At least they would get the auto-parts-delivery-vehicle market.

    I suspect the one group this SUV would appeal to is car rental lots, if they price it cheap enough – just like Daewoo back in the day. It can replace the now-departed Chevy Captiva.

  • avatar
    PriusV16

    Ssangyong couldn’t design their way out of a cardboard box. This Tivoli looks ridiculous.

    The thing is, they actually HAVE a decent-looking, almost pretty little SUV/CUV/whateverUV – the Ssangyong Korando.

    Then again, the Korando was designed by Italdesign (Giugiaro), and they, in turn, now belong to VW, which is probably considering Sangyong a rival.

    Still, for the love of God, Ssangyong…… go ask Zagato, or Castagna, or Henrik Fisker or whomever when it comes to the looks of your cars. Seriously now.

    • 0 avatar
      aquaticko

      You think the dull, generic Korando out-styles the Tivoli? At least the Tivoli is almost Juke-like interesting, and we have enough boring options in the subcompact SUV segment already (HR-V, Trax, and Outlander Sport; that’s 3 out of 5) that I’d welcome something different. Also, the hideous stuff you’re thinking off was designed by a British guy who thankfully no longer works for the company. I also don’t think that a real, body-on-frame style thing is necessary, considering how many people buy a Wrangler for the style, and that alone, without ever touching its offroading capability.

      Now, whether SsangYong can actually manage to convince those people to give up the Wrangler image for something else, I’m less sure of, but if they play themselves off as a niche, Korean alternative–specifically, by showing off their Koreanness in some particular way–which they’ll want to do anyway to let people know they’re not Chinese, keep things cheap and efficient, while eventually bringing in a more modern replacements for the Rexton, they could pull it off.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

        People buy Wrangler for its style, yes, but they can also back up their decision by pointing out that it doesnt just look the part: It IS the part. Doesnt matter is the owner is climbing a mountain or climbing the corperate ladder, it still looks like AND IS a superior off road vehicle.

        If word on the street was that the Wrangler was a FWD crossover that could barely manage a gravel driveway, itd be gone in no time. It could have all the style in the world, but would be shunned by true off roaders and therefor its image would be so tarnished that even people who just want “the look” wouldnt buy it. Because they KNOW anybody who knows anything about it would laugh at them rather than envy them.

        Noone interested in going off road (or are trying to obtain that look) is going to buy a car that pretends its a Wrangler on the outside, but is really closer to the Dart underneath than it is to an actual Wrangler. At least noone who truly wants people to think they actually go off road. What good is having an image if the only image that comes to mind when seeing the car on the street is “guess he wasnt man enough for a real Jeep”?

        This vehicle, no matter what it looks like, will be purchased by people who couldnt afford (or get financed for) an Escape or CRV but dont want the terrible Compass/Patriot. Claiming to go after the Wrangler with a FWD butch crossover is like Honda saying the Fit is going after the Mustang or GM saying the Caddy ATS is their answer to the 911. In otherwords, stupid, illogical, idiotic.

  • avatar
    TW5

    Charge of the light brigade.

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    I’m pretty sure this will prove to be vaporware, just like Mahindra’s last attempt to enter they US with its pickup truck was.

  • avatar
    Big Al From 'Murica

    So let me get this straight. The Xterra, a rugged, simple off road oriented rig was never considered a real Wrangler competitor because of the IFS, but this crossover based rig is going to be one? Did I miss something?

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      What’s more concerning is that people are willing to defend it, most of them only having experience denigrating off-road vehicles, rather than actually using off-road vehicles.
      “But here comes something that isn’t American, so it must be better, because America sucks.”

      • 0 avatar

        I would rather listen to arguments of people who aren’t fixated on V8s in 2015.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

        @Hummer

        Exactly. Probably the same people who hate American full size trucks, but somehow forget about the Titan and Tundra. Oh, sure theyre just as big, guzzle more fuel, are less capable and durable, and are purchased almost exclusively by people who dont need a truck but just “want” one, but thats all okay because they were not built by Ford, GM or Chrysler.

        The Hyundai crossover truck article was a clear example. The very same people who complain about people commuting in trucks and buying them without a need pr purpose were running around saying how wonderful this new pretend truck is going to be. Some going so far as eluding to Hyundai showing up American truck makers, as if that little open-cargo station wagon is going to be so capable.

        So, its fine to buy a pickup for hauling lots and lots of air, just so long as it isnt from an American manufacturer. In the case with this pretend off roader, its okay to buy it for image, but not a Wrangler (or an American truck) for the same reason. Double standard, much?

        And, the “poser” comments are just as stupid. Just because a Wrangler is clean and shiney on Monday doesnt mean it wasnt buried up to its windows in mud on Saturday. But, you know, if you see someone driving a Wrangler or a 4wd pickup on dry pavement, clearly thats ALL they do with it and you can tell just by looking at them. Just like every pickup seen in rush hour traffic is owned by a man with a tiny penis. No matter if they use that truck for work, thats not at all important. Everyone knows that if you have a large member, you must drive a Prius. No body well endowed would like a Raptor or a Power Wagon, right? I know I always check the size of mine before I allow myself to like a truck.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al From 'Murica

          Why do the poser comments only come up on trucks and 4x4s? How many Hellcats are going to see a drag strip and how many Miatas are tracked. I know some will be, but as a percentage I bet it is no better than jeeps that see the dirt. My truck is empty most of the time but when it isn’t I am really glad I have a truck, especially when the bed is slap full of stinky camp gear. I see a lot of Subaru’s in metro Atlanta. If they ever see snow they still aren’t going anywhere because Atlanta and Snow. Are they posers too? Not on these forums…they are enlightened because Wagon! I am currently sans 4×4 but I miss it. My FJ80 was typically very clean because…shocker…on the way back home from the trail I typically washed it. I saw many jeeps of all generations including new ones out in the dirt.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Agreed BAFM. Everyone is a poser, so the accusation is meaningless. Some posers just like to pretend they are not intimidated by pickup and jeep drivers, so they resort to disparagement.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al From 'Murica

          God bless the import trucks…its gotta be hard for Nissan to build my 8/10ths sized Frontier but still give me that full sized truck experience every time I fill up with gas.

  • avatar
    RideHeight

    Pop can wanna be a steel pipe.

  • avatar

    Another thing about this whole “people will buy these because its cheaper than a Wrangler” theory is that its false.

    Wrangler buyers buy Wranglers. If they cannot afford a new Wrangler, they buy an old Wrangler. They’re not switchable like other buyers are.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      You may be interested to know evidently title loans are going mainstream. PNC is pushing them:

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-03/presenting-next-great-source-middle-class-prosperity

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al From 'Murica

      A Versa is cheaper than a Wrangler too and this rig is closer to the Versa than the Wrangler.

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