By on May 26, 2015

Cadillac ATS-V

This edition of While You Were Sleeping offers up a bit more than usual. Instead of just overnight, we are going to try to cover as many topics from over the long weekend as possible with additional commentary.

Here we go!

Cadillac ATS-VCadillac ATS-V+ to Feature LS7 V-8 Power (Motor Trend)
According to MT, Cadillac will stuff the 7.0L LS7 from the Camaro Z/28 between the front fenders of a forthcoming ATS-V+. If true, the new model would be lighter and more powerful than the 3.6L TT V6 ATS-V. Also, I can’t think of another single vehicle on sale that would have engines spanning from 2.0 to 7.0 liters in displacement. Crazy.

Opel-Monza-Concept-17Exclusive: GM locks in Monza name for Australia (GoAuto)
The Monza could make a comeback as Holden applies for a trademark on the name in Australia. The Opel Monza concept made its debut at the 2013 Frankfurt Auto Show.

stevens-creek-bmw-i-center-santa-clara-california-may-2015-opening_100511566_hFirst Standalone BMW Electric-Car Sales Facility Opens–In CA, Of Course (GreenCarReports)
California is the place to be if you are into electric cars. Now there’s a BMW dealership that’s converted its used vehicle showroom and service facility into an electric vehicle showcase, becoming the first full-service BMW i facility in the United States.

BYDBuffett-backed Chinese automaker BYD plans up to $1.9 billion placement (Reuters)
Chinese auto and battery maker BYD is looking to raise a lot of money. Stock trading had been halted as a stock offering is being put together and nobody from the company is talking on the record. Either the company needs cash to stay afloat or they’re looking to spend some coin on future product.

2014 Lamborghini Urus ConceptLamborghini Said to Agree to Produce New SUV in Italy
The new Lamborghini SUV has received the greenlight according to a report from Bloomberg. The decision was made after a tax break deal between Lamborghini and the Italian government was agreed. An official announcement is expected to be made tomorrow. Lamborghini could hire up to 500 additional workers to build the new model. The Urus will help Lamborghini attain its goal of doubling sales.

Chevrolet Cobalt SedanLaw expert: Feds may push GM guilty plea (The Detroit News)
In the past, the Justice Department has allowed corporations to pay massive fines in place of a guilty pleas for indiscretions and foul deeds. General Motors might not get that option due to delays in recalling faulty ignition switches.

More to come throughout the day as we get caught up.

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27 Comments on “While You Were Sleeping: Cadillac ATS-V+, Holden Monza and Lamborghini Urus Receives Greenlight...”

  • avatar

    “According to MT, Cadillac will stuff the 7.0L LS7 from the Camaro Z/28 between the front fenders of a forthcoming ATS-V+.”

    Hnng. Yes please.

  • avatar
    Athos Nobile

    So they will install a GenIV engine, without SIDI in that car. Yes sure…

  • avatar

    Damn, just when I had given up on GM, they actually prove they still have a few tricks, still I would be more excited if I didn’t expect some ridiculous price tag in excess of $70k.

    • 0 avatar

      What do you *think* a Cadillac flagship with a 7.0 liter performance engine should cost?

      What would you cross-shop against it and what do those vehicles cost?

      • 0 avatar

        It’s a compact, the only thing that interests me is the engine, what do non luxury compacts go for? 15-25k

        Double that for being luxury, RWD, (I doubt the 7.0 is any more costly than the turbo 2.0 to actually build), and have profit built in, I would say 30k for a reasonably equipped, and maybe 50k for the very best. This one I would price about $45k.

        At the end of the day this is still an entry level car with some performance features.

        • 0 avatar

          Surely there is not a single other consideration to calibration, engineering, and safety when taking a compact with a ~200hp base engine to something that will likely do 0-60 in less than 3 seconds. Do you have a problem with the M3’s pricing, our just that there’s a cadillac crest on the front of this proposed car?

        • 0 avatar

          I would say your estimations and expectations are incongruent with reality.

        • 0 avatar

          This platform is not comparable to the economy compact platforms you’re talking about. The cheapest car built on it will be the Camaro that will start in the mid-20s, and around $40k with a V8.

          The LS7 is not cheap to build — it’s full of exotic materials that allow it to stay cool despite the lack of space for water jackets between the cylinders and rev to 7000+ rpm. By itself it’s worth $10k more than the V8 in the Camaro. Then there’s the “luxury” part. The lowest credible price for this would be $60k, and they won’t price there because the competition is a lot more expensive.

          • 0 avatar
            heavy handle

            In other words: it will be a $30k car with a $30k engine.

          • 0 avatar

            I was unaware of the LS7s exotic build. I’ve always figured it was just the next in the lineup of the rest. That’s certainly a lot of money just to keep an engine lightweight.

          • 0 avatar

            The LS7 is quite the party piece. It’s very different from all the other LSes. Some fun reading here:


          • 0 avatar

            Dal is obviously really hung over from yesterday, because in no way, shape or form – no matter the engine it carries – is a Cadillac ATS anything remotely a “luxury car.”

            Sorry to rain hard grain truth on your delusions or poor choice of terminology, Dal.

  • avatar

    I guess I’m confused a bit on the ATS-V. I’m always a fan of NA, but an engine almost double the size and, “If true, the new model would be lighter and more powerful than the 3.6L TT V6 ATS-V”? Is potentially “lighter” right? I get advanced materials play a big role, just hard to believe a massive engine like that is lighter. Not trying to stir the pot, just curious how this would work and why?

    Also, the ATS-V is already faster than the Z28, at least 0-60. What’s the gain? I would think the engine would be heavier, which would also throw off the weight distribution.

    Is this just another effort to brag about HP and overall have little gain?

    • 0 avatar

      LSx motors are extremely light and physically small for their displacement, due to the small size of OHV heads and lack of excessive valvetrain (1 cam, short chain, no tensioners, idlers, etc). I doubt there is a production 4-cam twin turbo motor out there lighter than any LSx.

    • 0 avatar
      bumpy ii

      Naah, it has an aluminum block and heads, and the large displacement for its size means it’s mostly hollow inside.

    • 0 avatar

      Add the weight of two extra cylinders, but subtract the weight of two turbos, the intercooler, and the associated plumbing. I guess it could come out lighter.

      I have doubts about this whole thing. Cadillac already produces one hot-rod ATS and it’ll sell at high prices to a limited market. Why add another even hotter hot-rod at even higher prices to an even more limited market? GM has to cover the engineering costs, the federalization costs, etc. Absent of a pressing need (e.g. a homologation special), I don’t see the business case.

    • 0 avatar

      According to GM powertrain the LF3 engine weighs 485 pounds and the LS7 is 454 pounds.

      Most of GM’s other gas V8s weigh 400lbs or slightly less. The naturally aspirated 3.6L weighs about 360.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    Still reeks of Old GM. “The Corvette is sacrosanct and only the best of GM will be used/reserved for it”. Poppycock! Have your best engines in your best vehicle platforms across the board or at least an option. Yes 4,6,8, and then Corvette 8 should be available in in every Caddy. A Colorado with a Corvette engine should be available too. It’s not (or shouldn’t be)rocket science on GM’s part. The “oh but a big V-8 up front will make it handle poorly” types can stuff it in their little tweedy caps. GM should go back to making unabashed American Iron

    • 0 avatar

      No kidding. Handling is pitifully irrelevant in the US market. Not that I wish it were so, but reality sucks sometimes. If powah is what they want, then dammit, give them POWAH!

  • avatar

    I am not at all surprised to find that Lamborghini are making the Urus after all.

    Now hopefully they don’t f*ck it up. Normally doing what GM does is a bad idea, but GM putting the Camaro concept into production with barely any changes was a good thing. Lamborghini should do the same with the Urus.

  • avatar

    I really wonder about LS7 power in the V+, Before the Z/28 dropped Jalopnik interviewed the F-car’s chief engineer and I asked about the LS7 going forward and the Z/28 was the LS7’s swan song.

    Well before the demise of the C6 Corvette the LSA was to be the the LS7’s replacement. Not that GM couldn’t change its mind and produce an LT variant of the big LS motor so I hope the rumors are true and GM has a 7L motor waiting in the wings.

  • avatar
    Waftable Torque aka Daniel Ho

    Are we allowed to create a TTAC office pool to bet on when the next global recession will be, based on the number of ultra-luxury SUV’s greenlighted and their targeted release date?

  • avatar

    “According to MT, Cadillac will stuff the 7.0L LS7 from the Camaro Z/28 between the front fenders of a forthcoming ATS-V+. If true, the new model would be lighter and more powerful than the 3.6L TT V6 ATS-V. Also, I can’t think of another single vehicle on sale that would have engines spanning from 2.0 to 7.0 liters in displacement.”

    Glad to hear they are getting serious for the 90,000 or so they will ask. Drop the TT V6 as it will fail hard.

  • avatar
    MRF 95 T-Bird

    “Also, I can’t think of another single vehicle on sale that would have engines spanning from 2.0 to 7.0 liters in displacement.”

    I’m also trying to think of a vehicle that offered as wide a range of engine options by displacement. What comes to mind is the 3rd Gen F-Body 2.5 Iron Duke to 5.7 TPI. Or the 69-70 Mustang 250ci-6 to 429 Cobra Jet.

    • 0 avatar

      Do multiple vehicles on a single platform count? If so, you’ve got the Ford CD4 which has everything from a 1.0L EcoBoost Mondeo to a 3.7L V6 MKZ.

  • avatar

    Re: ATS-V/V+

    Dunno why they even bothered with the TTV6 if they are seriously gonna do a proper V8 version anyway.

    I think I’d rather buy a used base model ATS and do an LS376/525 + T-56 Magnum swap instead. $25k for the used car, $15k for the engine/trans and accessories, $5k for any fabrication or high-skill labor = $45k for a 525hp RWD V8 compact sedan. Just need to write code for a digital dash to replace the gauge cluster…

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