By on May 19, 2015

Toyota 86 Style Cb Edition 02

Looking to bring some competition to the Mazda MX-5, Toyota is in the final prototyping phase for a model slotted underneath the GT86.

The sub-86 — dubbed 69DZ — is said to be powered by a 1.5-liter direct-injection I4 pushing 130 horses to the back via Aisin six-speed manual and automatic transmissions, and will weigh in at 2,160 lbs., reports. A source close to the matter says the car’s designers “have a final prototype that could very well go into production as is,” styled after the Toyota 800 from the 1960s.

Said styling was recently brought over to the limited-edition GT86 Cb Style, including the rounded headlights and grill, with the intent for the smaller model to be a baby brother to the Cb.

Seating is set for a 2+2 configuration, though the rear seats will likely be used to secure shopping purchases over small children. Flared wheel arches and a hood with a so-called “lump” — meant to accommodate both the I4 and 3.5-inch pedestrian-impact absorption zone — will also be onboard.

The 69DZ is set to go on sale in early 2018, with a base starting price equal to the base for the Corolla. Whether it will be a Scion — let alone sold in the United States — is yet to be determined.

[Photo credit: Toyota]

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48 Comments on “Toyota Readying Sub-GT86 Model For Sale By Early 2018...”

  • avatar
    bumpy ii

    This might be the old skunkworks Aygo-derived car Toyota was playing with a few years ago.

    • 0 avatar

      The question is: why? Given that the sales numbers for the FR-S are disappointing, why would they build a smaller one? Was the number one FR-S customer complaint that it was too big?

      • 0 avatar

        Akio Toyoda’s plan has been to build three sports cars, with the 86 occupying the middle slot. Part of the motivation is to get Toyota as a company to rediscover its performance roots.

        It would appear that he is concerned about the company becoming too complacent and vanilla to remain competitive. He may be missing that the market has changed and is not that interested.

        • 0 avatar

          Ironic that he would probably fall right in with TTAC’s “appliance” haters. And be just as wrong.

          • 0 avatar

            Now that Toyota has become a major player, it will naturally have to continue to appeal to a much broader range of people if it is going to stay that large. Call that appliance or whatever, but targeting its smaller audience of forty years ago won’t work today.

            That size may be the problem. Niche companies can and should do things differently from large ones. All of the sports car sales will seem to be a disappointment when compared to the high volume cars in the lineup, which will motivate internal opposition to such programs because the numbers are low. The numbers would look pretty good if the company was small, but it isn’t, so they don’t.

          • 0 avatar
            juicy sushi

            Akio appears to be a legit gearhead. And seems to be using his power to find ways to build as many as he can, market imperatives be damned.

            So think of the appliances as subsidizing his sports car fetish, as that seems to be his approach to the whole thing. Or, if you’re a Toyota shareholder, think of it as a horrible abuse of power by a non-business oriented CEO who stole the position through nepotism.

      • 0 avatar

        Under powered is the loudest complaint I’ve heard.

    • 0 avatar
      juicy sushi

      My first guess too.

  • avatar

    If it’s anything like the 86, it’ll be a pretty awesome little car. However, the internet will go nuts for it but nobody will buy it.

  • avatar

    The front got the little mouse treatment, but they left the back as regular GT86, and it’s incongruent.

  • avatar
    Steve Biro

    If the entry price is the same as that of a base Corolla, I suspect there may a reasonable amount of interest and sales. All of a sudden, this is a reasonable second car.

  • avatar

    2018 is a loooooonngggg waaaayyyysssss awwaaaayyyyyyyy.

    I feel like the media segments of car companies just create bites like this to keep their names in the news. This thing makes no business sense.

  • avatar

    Looks like a cheap Porsche.

  • avatar

    “Looking to bring some competition to the Mazda MX-5, Toyota is in the final prototyping phase for a model slotted underneath the GT86.”

    Why, oh why? It isn’t like the GT86 is setting the world on fire…

    • 0 avatar

      I could see it making sense in Asian countries. It makes little to no sense in the U.S. as configured though. The frs is too small for most American buyers who tend to jack of all trades types of cars.

      An FRS based sedan, though, could sell in the U.S. Keep it low and sleek, lengthen the wheelbase 3″, keep the weight under 3000lbs, stuff the turbo 2.0T in there and you have a car without a single non-luxury competitor.

    • 0 avatar

      True, but IMHO any carmaker willing to do this should be encouraged!

  • avatar

    Isn’t a big part of the Miata’s draw the convertible top? There are other sporty small cars available, but nothing with the Miata recipe.

    If you want to compete, make a Miata in slightly larger size to fit American adults and be easier for older folks to get in and out. This seems obvious to me, but I don’t know what I don’t know.

  • avatar

    Competition for the MX-5 from a smaller cheaper FR-S? I don’t think so, seeing as all variants of the MX-5 are priced higher than the FR-S, at least in Canada.

    • 0 avatar

      I don’t get it either. I think the GT and the MX are close enough in size to compete. Making the GT smaller would only make for a less appealing and cheaper car?

      Plus if they don’t make it RWD this will be a no-go.

      AND, if it’s got retro styling like the thing above, it MUST wear a Toyota badge. Scion cannot carry retro roadster.

    • 0 avatar

      To me, this looks more like a competitor for the Hyundai Veloster than the MX-5. Considering what’s going on in the marketplace, I wouldn’t expect to see this car in the U. S..

  • avatar
    Sammy B

    The only way I see this coming to the US is if they kill the FR-S at the same time. Then, in theory, there’s this thing at the low end and the FT1/Supra at the high end. The FR-S in the middle basically just gets squeezed out

  • avatar

    “Seating is set for a 2+2 configuration, though the rear seats will likely be used to secure shopping purchases over small children.”

    I think I’d rather like having an “inside trunk” with stowing solutions instead of pretending to be seats. No seat belts, no butt/back contouring–just a good shelf, bag clips, & such.

  • avatar

    Nice weight. Drop the 2+2 and make it smaller.

    • 0 avatar

      The FR-S already has little enough back seat that your dog would have trouble climbing in there.

      The 2+2 sports car that did a great job of rear seating was the RX-8. An adult could ride in there for a while (not on a long trip) without suffering. I was hoping the FR-S was going to have space like that. Then I might have bought one.

      • 0 avatar

        My friend owns a dealership and I was first in line for the FRS but when I sat in the back seat, I new it wouldn’t work for my kids and walked away. So they should have either dropped the “+2” and made the car smaller, lighter, and more dynamic, OR made the back seat actually useable.

  • avatar

    No competition to the Miata…. the top is too hard.

  • avatar
    Big Al From 'Murica

    The Miata Forums are full of owners clamoring for a coupe. Guess we’ll see if they are serious.

  • avatar


    We get to look forward to three years of pure marketing hype followed by bitter disappointment in the package and the pricing.

    *golf clap*

  • avatar

    Cars can be successful without selling in the USA. This car looks unsuitable for the wide open spaces but I can see it being a hit in Europe and Japan.. Remember the Capuccino?

  • avatar

    Appears to be the new Celica. One of my daughters had a couple of different ones and one of my sons had one. They loved ’em. They were cheap to own and operate and just the right size for young adults. Handling was pretty decent also. There might still be a market for them if done right. Toyota, however, should put more time in engines for this type car – all three Celica’s the kids owned died from blown head gaskets.

  • avatar

    So the FT86 isn’t selling that well, so let’s make a car with less power, and sell it for the price of a Corolla, but with less practicality. And make it sporty like a Miata but without the top-down experience. Give the pointless thing to Scion so they have one more model to wish they could sell.

  • avatar
    johnny ro

    Toyota reports JPY 1.823 trillion = USD $15 billion profits for fiscal year 2014.

    I approve that they would play on the margins with their petty cash. They could afford to put this in production and then give them away for free.

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