By on March 13, 2015

2013 Honda Civic sedan

The next Honda Civic is going turbo – and not just the Type-R

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22 Comments on “While You Were Sleeping: March 13th, 2015...”


  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Interesting piece on the GM stock buy-back

  • avatar
    sproc

    From the Civic article:

    >>> “In America, there aren’t that many companies with turbo models,” Yamamoto said. “The power is very good.”

    Say what?

    • 0 avatar
      mike978

      I am waiting for CJ to bemoan Honda. He has said that CVTs and turbos are scourges of modern engineering and good companies don`t use them. Well Honda now uses both. Toyota uses CVT. Mazda uses neither!

    • 0 avatar
      burgersandbeer

      @ sproc

      At first I had the same reaction to the quote about not many turbos in America, but when you think about the top sellers, it’s actually true. Corolla, Camry, Rav4, Altima, and of course the CRV, Civic, and Accord are all naturally aspirated. The Ram has a turbo diesel, but I don’t think anyone is thinking of diesels when discussing the shift toward turbos. If it weren’t for Ford with the Fusion, Escape, and EcoBoost F-series, the top volume models would all be naturally aspirated.

      • 0 avatar
        bd2

        Combined – the Sonata/Optima have often finished 2nd in sales to the Camry.

        And Yamamoto was referencing companies.

        Ford – check
        GM – check
        Hyundai/Kia – check
        Dodge/Chrysler – check

  • avatar
    wmba

    Well at least the new engine isn’t an outright tiddler like the Ford 1.0t Ecoboost 3 that Ford shoves in more expensive than base Focuses and Fiestas.

    Hell, the 1.5 Ecoboost is what most Fusions get and they are portly machines. A Honda 1.5 turbo in a 2900 lb Civic, with the inevitable aftermarket tunes, will bring a new sound to North America. A moaning roar as 220 hp tries to make mincemeat of a CVT, heralding a new era of ricer rides.

    • 0 avatar
      gtemnykh

      The current 9th gen Civic actually only weighs about 2650lb in LX Sedan form with a manual transmission. A 180ish hp 1.5L turbo would be pretty fun!

      But I personally am totally content with my nice and simple, port injected R18. 140hp moves the car along smartly (due to that low weight and the stick shift, I’m sure). Additionally, I can already eke out 40 mpg on a mixed tank of driving in the summer, how much more fuel economy do I need?

      Having recently helped with an engine swap in a 1st gen WRX, I saw first hand just how brittle rubber hoses get with all the extra underhood heat that comes along with a turbocharger. To its credit the 210k mile WRX didn’t have any leaks, and only succumbed to a spun bearing and a whole in the block after the somewhat maintenance-unobservant owner didn’t keep the oil topped off, or even changed frequently enough for that matter. The turbo itself was still serviceable, had a bit of shaft play but not shot by any means.

      I’d say this shows that turbocharged motors do need that extra bit of mindfulness on the part of the owner, and that there are some extra potential problem spots to watch out for as things age. However this anecdotal evidence also showed a car with a pretty negligent owner that still made it to 210k miles!

  • avatar
    Pecci

    Yip,yip! Let’s hear it for low-end torque.

    • 0 avatar
      JMII

      Agreed. I’ve said it a million times before: this was always the downside of Hondas to me – no torque. I owned 2 Civics and a Prelude and turning on the A/C was like pulling the hand brake half way, it killed the acceleration because of the car’s narrow power band. I know everyone loves reving Honda’s out so the VTEC kick in yo! but I’d rather have the boost.

  • avatar
    Volt 230

    Turbo and CVT? Not a good marriage, I’m afraid. Ford turbos have not made their models be shining examples of fuel efficiency.

    • 0 avatar
      gtemnykh

      Aside from considerations of longevity (founded or unfounded), a turbo engine is actually the PERFECT match for a CVT, which can hold the revs in a steady optimal RPM range that keeps the turbo spooled and making peak power.

  • avatar
    OneAlpha

    Phasing out the internal-combustion engine, one hundred cubic centimeters at a time.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    Not enough yet to write a fourth installment on the Truth About Oil, but WTI prices dropped like a rock this week. Almost all of the 21-1/2% gains in February have been given back, trading under $45 a barrel, down 4-1/2% today and 10% for the week. RBOB Gasoline short contract (April 15) has backed off almost 20 cents a gallon this week.

    The crude storage crisis is a global problem, and there has been a realization in the oil industry that there are 3,000 wells today that are basically ready to turn on, but are sitting idle. These wells are effectively “storage,” so the glut is far worse than most people thought.

    I’m monitoring and will be writing a fourth piece when there is enough action in one direction.

    I dont’ agree with $10 a barrel and Gary Shilling, but this is a good interview.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-03-09/getting-ready-to-see-next-leg-down-on-oil-shilling

  • avatar
    nels0300

    Well, I like some turbo engines, but I’m also a fan of naturally aspirated engines.

    I really like the Civic Si even though it’s outgunned by all of it’s competitors. Even with the 2.4L, it’s still a screamer of an engine compared to the turbo competition. Yeah, the turbos have the torque down low, but they run out of juice up high and they just don’t have the throttle response. Turbo lag has been reduced tremendously, but it’s still there, I don’t care what anyone says. There’s just something about a good naturally aspirated engine that pulls harder and harder as the tach climbs. I like it, and I’ll miss it if Honda goes all turbo.

  • avatar
    nels0300

    Another thing, I just can’t see these new turbos doing 300K miles like a good ol’ port injected Honda 4.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      No replacement for displacement!! I hope to almighty God that enough genuine leaks come out of Honda regarding V6 availability on the next-generation Accord that I can grab another post-MMC Touring (the rarest, like the one in my avatar, with active cruise and the other goodies) with that stump-yanking J35 torque-monster that I can drive into the ground. I don’t care how good Honda can do a turbo, it ain’t gonna be as good as their V6!

      (The exception is if Honda adds performance back into their Hybrid mix like the 7th-Gen Accord — with re-located Hybrid component-cooling that allows fog lights to be installed, a battery pack that allows the back seat to fold and a normal trunk, aaannnnnnnnddd a near-V6-level power rush when I plant the go-pedal!)

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        One of my poker-playing buds owns a Honda dealership and he was right about the CVT Accord long before the official announcement was made.

        If what he told me about Honda’s V6 availability is true, then the Honda 3.5 V6 will only be used in the Pilot, Odyssey, and Ridgeline past 2016. Not in the Accord.

        I know that V6 Accords are few and far between, and my grandson was very, very lucky to be able to snatch one in August of last year for his wife’s DD.

        But he had an ace in the hole: the Honda dealership wanted his 2010 Wrangler in trade!

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    The Kansas City F-150 plant might be able to augment some more numbers to the 10 000 or so a month F-150s currently coming out of the Henry Ford plant in Detroit.

    If Ford want to sell significant numbers of these they will have to look at ramping up production.

    Or, like last month the Colorado/Canyon will continue to outsell the aluminium F-150.

    Ford has employed thousands more people for the production of F-150s on top of what the “older” F-150 required. Is this good for Ford’s bottom line?

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