By on February 11, 2015

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I may have lost my damned mind, but here it goes:

I think I want to trade my Boss 302 for a Fiesta ST.

Not straight up, mind you. But the financials of the Boss 302 no longer make sense for a car that I’m not totally jacked to drive every day (this is the part where you, the Internet Millionaire, can deride me for financing a new car). For two and a half years, I didn’t mind writing the massive check to Ford Credit for it every month.

And then, this month, I did.

I don’t think I love the 302 anymore. It’s not you, Boss. It’s me. I suppose that it makes sense for my emotional break-up to have happened in the winter months. I have barely let it out of the garage during this Kentucky winter, choosing to endure the snow and ice with my Subaru Legacy wagon. It probably needs new tires and brake pads, which is a relatively massive expense. I’m sure that the release of the GT350 has had something to do with my desire to wander a bit, too. I no longer have the baddest ‘Stang out there (yes, I’m aware of the GT500. I still like the Boss more).

However, I can’t have that Mustang yet. So, here’s the dilemma—do I continue to pay for a car I don’t really love anymore, or do I cut my payments by more than half and buy a Fiesta ST to bide my time until the GT350 is available at a reasonable, non-dealer-adjusted price? The ST is widely loved by everybody who’s driven it, including people like Alex Nunez, Matt Farah and our own Derek Kreindler. Plus, I’ve had a little lust in my heart for it ever since it came out—I’ve always wanted a hot hatch, even if my age makes me more of a Corvette candidate. Does this idea make ANY sense at all?

Well, I’m going to find out. Thanks to my decision to submit a lead through AutoTrader’s Trade-In Marketplace tool, I have been relentlessly pursued by my local Ford store, who can’t wait to try to steal my Boss from me. I have an appointment on Saturday to go drive a Fiesta ST in that gorgeous blue. Part of me is afraid that I won’t like it. Part of me is afraid that I’ll love it.

Have at it, B&B.

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92 Comments on “Bark’s Bites: Viva La Fiesta!...”


  • avatar
    spreadsheet monkey

    Yes you have lost your mind. Keep the Boss!

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      This. I can’t see how the swap won’t end badly.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Agreed. You have a beater, why would you trade your nice car for what is essentially a souped up future beater just to numb a little boredom?

    • 0 avatar
      Nick 2012

      Disagree. Unload the Boss now while its resale is high and save the delta in payments for GT350 speeding tickets/consumables/track day fees.

      The FiST is awesome, as long as your kids are out of rear facing car seats. That is what put me in an Accord.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        I’d have to check the figures but I doubt Boss 302 valuation will decline that much in a year or so (or whenever the GT350 is available), and even if it did I doubt it would offset the initial hit from another new car. The “I’m bored and I want to spend money” argument doesn’t hold water with me. Large purchases should be somewhat strategic in my mind.

      • 0 avatar
        faygo

        I have one kid in the center position rear-facing, no big deal. with Recaros. and I’m 6’2″. not sure whether two would fit, but I guess that’s an issue for down the road and whether I’d tolerate a more vertical seating position to make room. I also thought about taking out the front passenger seat to provide more room to get in/out/leg room for the back seat passenger.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Just paint the Mustang in a more attention grabbing color than the yellow it already is.

  • avatar
    S2k Chris

    Is the FiST better than the Focus ST? For some reason, when I see a Fiesta I think “clown car” and when I see a Focus ST I think “droooool”.

    • 0 avatar
      davefromcalgary

      Agreed. The Fiesta is just ungainly, while the focus is well proportioned and attractive.

      They say the Fiesta is more fun to drive however.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        They are both fun to drive. The Fiesta ST is more like a hot hatch of old; small, light, tossable, etc. The Focus ST feels much bigger, composed, and refined. I find the Focus ST to be the better DD, but the Fiesta ST is a great car for the early to mid 20s crowd to buy and hang on to until they have kids. I personally like the power of the Focus ST, and the refresh made the interior MILES better than the Fiesta ST.

        • 0 avatar
          tresmonos

          This. The Focus ST is a lot more practical for a family. It has about as much usable space as an Escape. The Fiesta ST has a ride that is much more harsh, but makes your commute feel like you’re about to hit the track.

          The flip side of the coin is the abused fuel economy in the Fiesta ST is as good as ‘taking it easy’ with the Focus ST.

          Personally, I would go with the Focus ST. dat Fiesta ST clutch feels doe

          I also outran Federales in the Fiesta ST. It was very manageable at high speeds. The brakes probably saved my life by not fading easily. It’s an amazing little car. It’s a shame we can’t get HID lamps state side.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Yeah, the Fiesta ST is more “pure”. It gets great fuel economy and is fun as hell. It just depends on someone’s priorities. I drove a Fiesta ST for a few weeks around Metro Detroit. I love the car, but I fear the potholes of the Detroit freeways will give it an early death.

            My Focus ST was much better on Detroit’s “roads”. Plus, my friend works at Tennaco/Monroe, and I could complain to him if their was a suspension issue, as he works with the Focus, Escape, and C-Max (He’s the guy that gets yelled at by FoMoCo engineers that handle suppliers). It was also a beast with snows on.

          • 0 avatar
            omer333

            I have to disagree with you there pardner.

            I’m in the six-footer range and to have the driver’s seat where I would need it in a Focus hatchback, I would have squashed one of my kids (the smallest one).

            Strangely, there’s plenty of room for both of my kids in the back of my Dart. Weird.

          • 0 avatar
            omer333

            I mean, maybe the Focus ST is practical for Bark if he’s around five-seven.

            But, it juuuuust don’t look like them Baruth Boys are teeny-tiny-small.

          • 0 avatar

            I’m 5’9″ and 158. :)

          • 0 avatar
            rpn453

            “I also outran Federales in the Fiesta ST. It was very manageable at high speeds. The brakes probably saved my life by not fading easily. It’s an amazing little car.”

            Can we hear more about this?

      • 0 avatar
        tedward

        It’s the exact same compromise across the industry between B and C class hatchbacks. Aside from the ST the other choices are CooperS and 500 Abarth for a truly hot, unruly and turbocharged, B car. The problem the B cars have however, is that C class alternatives are higher volume and far better at every single other thing besides being a second gear twisty road warrior. In my opinion the only things that really stand in the B segment’s favor are their short gear ratios and short wheelbase lengths. It makes them the best handling and most thrilling FWD cars you can buy, but it does make them a bit of a one trick “pony.”

        I always tell people that it depends on the roads you drive every day. If it looks like the Malibu canyons or Tail of the Dragon on your daily then by all means, get a B-class car. If it’s any other type of road, including gnarly third and fourth gear back roads, the C class cars will be provide better grip, power, comfort, NVH profile, top speed, cargo capacity, (vastly better) interior materials, parts availability, and every other thing that I couldn’t be bothered to continue listing. No contest, especially when you look at the performance variants (FocusST, GTI, MS3, pre-2.4 Si).

        Don’t listen to the owner/fanatics either. You simply cannot comfortably add babies to any of the Fiesta sized vehicles. Even the Fit, which is by far the most practical shape in segment, can’t baby with tall people up front. At least not over the long haul. If you are short ignore that point.

        • 0 avatar
          faygo

          “Don’t listen to the owner/fanatics either. You simply cannot comfortably add babies to any of the Fiesta sized vehicles”

          garbage.

          you have to turn the carrier/seat sideways on insertion to clear (rather than smush the foam in the seat) the Recaro on the driver’s side of the car, but it fits just fine. if I push the pass seat forward, it would go straight into the car, but that would require walking around the car.

          I am a touch under 6’2″ w/34″ inseam. I am not eating the steering wheel nor equipped with T-rex arms to somehow allow myself to be unnaturally close to the steering wheel due to an distorted seat back angle.

          as I noted, a second seat might be an issue, but with one in the middle, no worries. baby isn’t a year old, but other than being heavier and having more feet sticking out of the seat, she’s not going to end up into something bigger which won’t fit for quite some time.

          • 0 avatar
            tedward

            My point wasn’t about getting the seat in, it was about driving in front of it. I do agree that you can get away with a center mount rear facing seat which is narrow, but a 911 does that also, doesn’t mean it is baby friendly, just possible.

            My wife and I are both right around your height and we’ve babied in fits, fiestas and coopers. Neither of us was truly comfortable though.

            Don’t get me wrong, I love these cars, but that is their major limitation. That and materials quality.

          • 0 avatar
            faygo

            it may be down to how vertical I like the seat to be or something. it doesn’t bug me either way. I toyed with the idea of pulling the passenger seat out if the seat didn’t fit in the middle, but wasn’t necessary. the really slick way would be to disable pass airbag and build a platform, mount to the stock seat mounts, mount seat to that. then co-pilot baby could be closer to driver and mom could ride behind and also interact. probably a bit of overkill.

            my standards may be warped by driving old Volvo 245s for a while (tho they have a certain no longer done sturdiness and level of craftsmanship which is unique) but I don’t find the interior quality/craftsmanship to be objectionable. I don’t like the way the Focus feels for my use, so the nicer interior doesn’t attract. I have not checked out a 2015 car to see what was upgraded/changed, but it’s not going to make much difference. as much as the Focus RS will be a beast, I don’t need to spend another ~$15k for one, I’ll borrow a test cars when I want a taste.

    • 0 avatar
      Land Ark

      Add me to the “Why not a Focus?” list. While haven’t driven the Fiesta, I have driven the Focus a few times. I enjoyed it and it is on my list for future cars. Plus, in my area at least, the Fiesta and Focus are prices about the same. Why not get the extra room and power?

      And it should be pointed out that my swap would be from a blue 2006 GTO to the same blue FoST.

    • 0 avatar
      faygo

      Focus is way heavier. torque steers like a mofo. doesn’t have any more usable space for me as the driver and is therefore dishonest about it’s size (seems like it should be big, isn’t) – it just feels too big.

      I haven’t managed to hurt the stock wheels or tires with potholes on the Detroit “roads”, but the stock 17s are stupid heavy. the 15″ snows I run are 12 lbs _per_corner_ lighter. I will go with 15s for summer tyres this year.

      my wife doesn’t mind sitting in the back with the kid and there’s enough space to move around most things which need to go from A to B or for a run to Costco. I easily could afford something bigger and faster, but as a street car, this is perfect.

      as tres notes, the headlights are not that impressive, but I’m sure there’s various ways to remedy that. the euro car is just projectors, not HID AFAIK. better, but still not “good” per those who have driven them back to back.

      • 0 avatar
        burgersandbeer

        12 lbs per corner is a ridiculous difference. Are the 15″ steelies? I’m guessing you didn’t get expensive, light-weight alloys for winter use.

        I doubt there are many options for 15″ summer tires though.

        • 0 avatar
          faygo

          snow wheels are a random thin 5-spoke MSW aluminum. all in I think the snows/wheels/mounted/shipped via magic TireRack elves to my door in 20 hours after ordering were $775. IIRC they are ~15 lbs or so.

          the 17″ tire is the shortest sidewall in the company and the impact/durability requirements combined with a in the words of a wheel engineer “mass/strength inefficient wheel design” mean a heavy wheel.

          looks like there are several varieties of Dunlop Direz-whatevers, as well as other non-junky things in 195/55, which is dead nuts on the stock size. I blame Miatas :-)

        • 0 avatar
          tedward

          burgers

          15″ summer tires are actually, shockingly, available. There are none for 14’s of course, but I discovered that the barely road legal autocross/track offerings are all available at 15″, while the segments just below/more road biased seem to be restricted to larger rim sizes.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        The hatch of the Focus is much bigger and their is actually space in the back seat (not much mind you). The interior is straight up better, especially after the 2015 refresh. I’ve said here before that I don’t like the Fiesta with a forward facing car seat because my 2 year old daughter thinks it’s hilarious to touch daddy in the ear with her filthy daycare shoes. For me, the Focus ST2 is about the perfect package for a hot hatch. It’s not as raucous as the Fiesta ST, but it feels much more premium.

        My priorities with a car may be a bit different than yours as I gave up my Focus ST and GTI once we had a child. I’m almost to three years with my C-Max now, and while I miss having a performance car, I love the utility of the C-Max. I don’t think I’d go back to a hot hatch though. I need a Fusion ST in my life.

  • avatar
    319583076

    I couldn’t live with the interior of either the Focus or Fiesta STs. The new Mustang interior is certainly an improvement over the old, but either of them are orders of magnitude better than the FWD hatches.

    Keep the Boss.

  • avatar
    ThirdPedal

    I still truly enjoy my FiST, and it has proven to be useful as a daily driver and family hauler. Zero complaints with the car except better alignment options would make it a better autocross car. Even so, I’m kind of plotting in the back of my mind about how to justify owning this and putting the new Miata in the driveway when it comes out. Can’t have too many fun cars, right?

  • avatar
    gearhead77

    Personally, I can’t see writing (or having it auto deducted) a payment for a car that sits. The Fiesta, with some snow tires, could be used year round. It’s a Fiesta, so the anonymity of that hatchback body is your friend in terms of fast driving. Also, that hatchback body is more useful all the way around, it’s just not as attractive (as a Mustang).

    Ford will always come out with some “better” version of the Mustang, making for buyers remorse. But the Fiesta ST will always be just that. They’ll make improvements, but it won’t waiver from the same basic car. Plus, gas won’t be ~$2.00/gal forever, so there’s that slight advantage too.

    The practical gearhead in me says Go Fiesta! I’m waiting until financials improve to where I can acquire a “fun” car for mostly cash or low payment for a short term. That way, I can get what I want (with a manual) and put it away for the winter, without feeling bad amount spending the money and not being able to drive it.

  • avatar
    pb35

    Yeah, unload the Boss by selling it privately. To me.

    I don’t know, I went through my hot hatch days in my 20s. Not that I’m against them, mind you, I just don’t see myself in one at the ripe old age of 47.

  • avatar
    rpol35

    Wait until winter is over, you may feel differently.

  • avatar
    Rod Panhard

    I tried hard to like the Fiesta and Focus. There’s no way I could live with the dashboards of either of those cars for anything longer than a weekend rental.

    That doesn’t mean “keep the Mustang.” It means ask yourself if you can live with that interior. I can’t.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      Me too! I drove two Focus ST’s. So cheap with the Z-plan. Hated everything about the interior though. The GTI just fit me like a glove. I guess the extra money would be worth it.

  • avatar
    Pinzgauer

    Bark,

    Do not trade it. You are going through the late winter car storage blues. I have a case of it just like you right now. And actually, I own the exact same car as you, and it’s also sitting in my garage right now. But, believe you me as soon as the salt washes away you will be in love again. That’s how it happened for me last winter. Do yourself a favor and at least wait for warmer weather before dumping it. If it warms up and you still don’t love it then get rid of it.

    Be smart. Don’t let the winter car storage blues get you.

  • avatar
    John R

    Uh…I would try to stick it out until the Focus RS shows up and then trade it in if you have a hot hatch itch.

  • avatar
    ccd1

    I would either keep the Stang or get something cheap and pedestrian. Cars like Mustangs are about emotional appeal. Unless the ST generates the same appeal, which is unlikely, you are better off getting a cheap car that does not remind you of what the Mustang was like. My fear is that the ST would be just good enough to remind of why you bought the Mustang in the first place without replacing the Mustang in your heart.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    BUT CAN IT BE TUNED!

    http://www.cobbtuning.com/Ford-Fiesta-ST-2014-s/70889.htm

    Yes it can!

    I’d still say give me the Focus ST.

  • avatar
    bludragon

    Do the math in a spreadsheet. It may well work out cheaper to hang on to the boss, and then trade it for the GT350 when that is available if that is what you want to do.

    Alternatively, if you have decided a car the likes of the Boss is not worth paying for, then you should also decide the GT350 is not worth paying for, swap it for a hot hatch (or a GT500) and plan to keep that car for several years.

  • avatar
    IHateCars

    Bark…I totally hear where you’re coming from…I’m there too. Been seriously considering a Focus ST or GTI to bide my time…but all of my car buddies think that I’m insane.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Are you kidding? Keep the Boss.

    And if you’re worried about winter driving, keep in mind the Fiesta has high-performance summer tires, so it’s going to suck royally in the snow. My ’05 Focus ST was ATROCIOUS in the winter for that reason – I remember getting stuck on a gentle incline right next to a Mustang GT. Meanwhile, everyone in a Corolla was just fine.

    • 0 avatar
      omer333

      snow tires, d00d

      • 0 avatar
        Timothy

        I live in Boston, which, in case you hadn’t seen, is buried under 80″ of snow. I have had 0 issues with my ’13 ST which is rolling on dedicated 17″ winter rims and Goodyear Ultra Ice/Snow tires. I really love passing all the S.U.V.s sporting giant 20″ tires every day.

        In other news, this is proper technique for cornering in the snow in the ST:

        Enter corner
        Get OFF the gas
        Give it a slight flight
        Ass end will rotate
        Counter steer
        Get back on the throttle

        Repeat as many times as possible.

      • 0 avatar
        danio3834

        Snow tires on the Boss.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Yeah, but there’s no way I’d chance getting a Boss Mustang sideswiped or hit on slick roads. I trust my driving…but when it comes to the other guy, not so much.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            Praise be to people who do put snow tires on a daily driven Mustang. In Gallup NM middle of a snow storm the vehicle most likely to be seen stuck is a Mustang. Last snowfall I was making a left turn in my Highlander and in my rear view I could see a teenager in a black 2004ish Mustang. I made my turn and the kid proceeded to stomp the gas and do a 180 spin.

          • 0 avatar
            danio3834

            Meh, that’s why it’s insured.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

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  • avatar
    MrIcky

    Keep the Boss.

  • avatar

    Just throwing it out there that hi-po special package Mustangs in above average to excellent condition like your 302 Boss always retain high resale value. Considering it an investment of some sort versus a Fiesta ST is not wholly unreasonable.

  • avatar
    seth1065

    Well how much of a bath , will you take on the stang , will you be in the same spot in two winters time with the fiesta , I would say do the math, make sure you love the fiesta , and keep in mind you will lose a lot of the glances you now get in the stang, can you ldeal w that and the fugly interior of your maybe new ride ????

  • avatar
    mtr2car1

    I can’t wait to hear the next installment.

    I’m grappling with exact same issue but it’s btw the Fiesta and my beloved 2 door Wrangler.

    I feel I might need the Fiesta ST to tide me thru till the next major update for the Wrangler.

  • avatar
    Boff

    I think you’ll find that the dealer will give you a lousy offer on the Boss, at least relative to what you might get private party. That might be a Good Thing…my own experience going from a thoroughbred RWD performance car to a FWD hot hatch was one of terrible remorse.

  • avatar
    S197GT

    meh…

    i say the same thing about my mustang when it is in storage.

    then i go to the storage unit and open up the overhead door and i see it. still love the looks.

    then i start it. still LOVE the sound.

    then i drive it. still fun to drive.

    i quickly think, i could never sell this!

    (mine is paid off. makes a difference.)

  • avatar
    Timothy

    You can get amazing deals right now on the ’14 Focus ST. Ford is offering 2500 cash back on FoST’s You can pick up a ST2 package with moonroof for 25240 before any enhanced interrogation … errr… discussion with the dealer.

    Loose the roof and you are 24390.00

    I absolutely love my car. I got used to the interior. The seats are fantastic (after the break in period, when I bought the car they were VERY tight, I’m 6’1 and about 195 for reference). The thing is a tank in the snow with proper rubber and the tail out handling characteristics (especially in snow) make this the most fun car I’ve ever owned.

    Go for the FoST.

  • avatar
    ...m...

    …no, you’re not crazy: the fiesta’s japanese cousin is fun as hell to wring out in street traffic, and i say this from the perspective of daily driving dedicated sports cars for years before picking up my mazda 2…

  • avatar
    IllTakeAn8WithThatV

    Its worth nothing that you are aware that these thoughts began creeping during the winter months – this is a fair response to the midwest winter. However, the winter months are ending. I think it might make sense to see if you’re mindset reverts to its former state upon the arrival of spring and good weather.

  • avatar
    talkstoanimals

    The more mature (a/k/a older) I get the more light, rorty, and under 300 hp make sense to me for a fun car. (Used S2000 FTW!) You can wring such cars’ little necks on public roads without getting into too much trouble. (OK – you can still get in a decent amount of trouble, but I’m speaking relatively here.) By contrast, with the prevalance of trundling minivans, traffic jams, aging boomers, and artificially low speed limits on modern roads, it is impossible to get much joy out of heavier high-po cars without putting licenses and lives at undue risk. All this would seem to militate towards getting the FiST and not even bothering to replace it with the GT350. However, as a former ‘Stang owner I can confidently say that if you do so, you will still miss the rumble and shove of the V8 from time-to-time. And let’s not even mention how much you’d miss the sound of a flat crank V8…

  • avatar
    mnm4ever

    I am not going to tell you that you are crazy. I actually think this a good idea. I bet you can get some insane trade-in value on your Boss right now, and if FiSTs are as cheap in KY as they are now in FL then you will get a great deal on one. Buy low sell high, can’t beat that. And by the time you are ready for a GT350 you may have the Fiesta nearly paid off and keep it as a daily to replace the Suby.

  • avatar
    FractureCritical

    I’m probably one of the few here that have actually done what you’re talking about and seriously weighed the ST brothers against more expensive cars. To be honest, I have to agree that the fiesta ST is a piece of crap car. But it drives well. The Focus ST is a great car, but the Recaro seats just suck. I truly hated them. The base model ST actually has the better seats. That being said, the GTI is the better car all around, and I hate VW’s. Still, if you’re going to look at an ST anything, you gotta look at a GTI, too. I’m just saying.

    I will admit that in the end, I went with none of those cars. they were all almost the total package, but none of them hit the mark for me, so be careful going downmarket in your car. The sour taste in your mouth every morning you drive that crapbox fiesta may not be worth the Wendy’s lunch of cost you save every day.

  • avatar
    sportyaccordy

    I think you should wait to make your decision until AFTER you get some weather that will let you drive the Rustang again. I get the same way about my bike when I don’t ride for a while, and then when I can get back on it I’m like “wait a minute this thing is awesome”.

    That said, I recently made a similar move, “downgrading” to a Civic sedan from a 350Z. In its element the Z is thrilling, engaging, playful etc… but on the other 480 of the 500 miles of commuting I do a week, it’s loud, rough riding, and thirsty. The Civic is like a Benz by comparison, and strangely enough, when pushed it’s actually pretty composed and almost rewarding. Doesn’t hurt that go fast parts are 2-3x cheaper, opening up that envelope even further. My gas savings alone are like half my car payment.

    No matter how good a car is, if the cost of ownership is higher than what you feel it’s worth it’s not unreasonable to toss it. I’ve done it many times before and it’s always been very liberating. Furthermore the FiST works within a performance envelope that lines up pretty much perfectly with street speeds, whereas I imagine the Boss needs legs. I’m kind of hoping to build a “Civic ST” down the line… so cheap to do and the chassis is surprisingly awesome but that’s another thread. I think this would be a great move, but again, get some time back in the Boss in its element before you make that trade.

    • 0 avatar
      burgersandbeer

      “No matter how good a car is, if the cost of ownership is higher than what you feel it’s worth it’s not unreasonable to toss it.”

      Well put. Anyone who has to work for a living needs to consider the cost/happiness value equation. If you have the money to spend more than you need to on a car that makes you happy, go for it. But don’t splurge on something you don’t love anymore.

    • 0 avatar
      hgrunt

      I went to a used 2003 330i with Performance Package, from a 2008 350Z, myself. I thought I would miss the Z’s power and torque, but the E46 is so incredibly smooth, and competent at being a sporty efficient daily driver, that I don’t miss the Z one bit.

    • 0 avatar
      dougjp

      Absolutely right! When the weather is better the supply/demand will improve in your favor and you might get even more. Plus you can make a proper decision after re-experiencing your car on the road. Right now you can’t even make a proper comparison on the same day/conditions.

  • avatar
    EAF

    I’m frugal:

    I would ditch The Boss and ditch the Subaru. Buy Fist or Fost plus a dedicated set of snow wheels. Saves money on insurance. Saves money on fuel. Saves money in maintenance on that oil burner POS boxer.

    The EB should provide you with plenty of good times. Keep it stock!

    • 0 avatar
      burgersandbeer

      I think the maintenance would be the big saver there. Lots of variables here, but at least for me, I found insuring two (admittedly older) cars surprisingly affordable. Unfortunately, I didn’t have the extra parking space and the maintenance on both cars would be unacceptable.

  • avatar
    ElAntonius

    I’m in quite the similar situation, owning a Boss, and deeply considering a GT350.

    Here’s the rub, I already own a Focus ST, and to be honest every time I’m in the Focus I think “well, this is a really nice car, but damn do I wish I was in the Boss”.

    EDIT: Except in traffic. The ST is easy as hell in traffic, the Boss is just plain freakin’ cantankerous.

    The ST Twins are fantastic little cars, they drive great, they handle well, and the Focus is well appointed enough to feel like a luxury car. It generally gets rave reviews from coworkers I’m hauling to lunch. I personally love the seats, but I’m also not a larger gent.

    But one dip into that turbo engine vs one dip into the Boss engine tells you everything you need to know. Nothing about the ST satisfies the itches the Boss scratches. Compared to the Boss, everything in the FoST feels a half step late to the party.

    I’ll put it this way: I can conceive of getting rid of the Boss for a GT350, but I personally wouldn’t sack it for an ST. I also don’t think the depreciation will be out of norm due to the GT350; there’s a lot to be said for “THE DEFINITIVE” live axle Mustang vs. the first of a new breed.

    The 5.4L Shelby still seemingly holds decent value even though the 5.8 trumps it handily, for instance, and that’s far less distinct than the Boss -> GT350 differences.

  • avatar
    burgersandbeer

    Trade. Payments for a Boss 302 are too steep for an impractical car you no longer love that also sits for three to four months a year (or however long a Kentucky winter is).

  • avatar
    st1100boy

    I had one of the old ’07 Focus STs. In other words an SES with a stiffer suspension and a 2.3 rather than 2.0. That car wasn’t very fast, but I liked it a lot. Not too bad on fuel, and fun to drive. Almost totally trouble free for the 5 years I owned it.

    Sold it to buy the Mustang (’12 V6 Performance Package, 3.7 V6, 6-speed, and running an SCT tune and aftermarket driveshaft) I’ve wanted since high school. Mistake. The Mustang is fun and all, and certainly a lot faster, but I got over it inside a year, and it’s been fairly troublesome in terms of repairs (all under warranty, thankfully). 3 years later I’m thinking very hard about a new Focus ST. I’d get near-Mustang performance and a little more practicality. I think I just like a C-segment size in a car, and front drive is OK with me most of the time.

    Odds are, I’ll wait until my extended warranty expires in a couple years, but there’s little doubt I’m getting something more like a Focus ST. I’ve driven one and thought it was excellent. The Fiesta ST I drove was great too, but for the little bit extra the Focus costs, it’s worth it to get more room for people and stuff.

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    hgrunt

    Chalk it up to the wintery blues! Wait for the weather to lighten up and put a few miles on the car, make a decision then, if it’s practical to do so!

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    krhodes1

    You have to go with what makes sense financially over all. It makes no sense to be car-poor, cool as that beast of a Mustang is.

    I don’t think you can go too far wrong with either of the hot-hatch Fords, a GTI, or an Abarth. For a daily driver I would not have bought my Abarth, it’s a fun toy but not something you might not want to drive all the time – it’s just a bit too raucous. I think if the Fiesta had been available in 3dr form that might have tilted it that way for me. But I found the Abarth to have that little touch of insanity that made it more fun, and it is so much easier to get in and out of, and a bit cheaper too. It worked for a single guy with no kids. Right now, I’d probably go GTI in this class, more refined and adult than the Fords, if a bit less fun. It would be a tough decision. But if you are a Ford guy, you can’t go too far wrong with that sexy blue on a FiST.

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      Athos Nobile

      Here we get the little thing in 3dr form only, me thinks.

      From my brief test drive, I would actually drive something like it daily. The suspension was not punishing. However, in 3dr form, it is not parent friendly. I already have the experience of using a small coupe with a small kid.

      I would like to try one of the upcoming Polo GTI. They seem bigger inside, have 5dr and will probably be a riot to drive too.

      I’ve heard some Abarths on the street and the exhaust noise is what I’d expect from a souped up Fiat.

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    drsparky

    Love my FiST, very fun car. Have 22K on it, I’ve had it 10 months. Ford throws in a complementary day racing FiSTs and FoSTs at the Octane Academy at Miller Sports Park. I’ve had 3 Mustangs, a Fairlady, two Lancia Fulvias and lots of trucks, the ST is the most fun out of all of them.

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    wstarvingteacher

    Daughter got a Fiesta and I thought I would hate it. I was wrong. Throwback to the hot hatches of yore.

    You already have a beater. Try to move the mustang and see how that works. Don’t think the fiesta will be going away. Btw I know you asked and it’s good click bait but it doesn’t matter what anybody else thinks. Likes and dislikes do not have to make sense. I have a classic that just sits because 13mpg has become obscene.

  • avatar
    mkirk

    You can use a new Raptor year round too. Just saying. If you really need a winter driver I will hook you up with my Frontier straight up for the Mustang as I am moving to Georgia. You are welcome.

  • avatar
    kosmo

    Having lived through your exact dilemma, I’d say WAIT UNTIL AT LEAST JUNE! I didn’t, and still regret selling that particular car.

    Other than that caveat, I’d say go for the trade, if finances allow. I generally like to switch rides every 3 years or so, and the kind of cars I’m interested in are usually big gambles used, so I’m the rare TTAC new car guy. Yup, it costs a few bucks, but I love cars.

    Disclosure: Part of this advice is based on my desire to eventually read about your forthcoming GT350 experiences. I’ve sat in the Fiesta. I don’t think the love affair will last long.

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    baconator

    I drove the Fiesta ST a couple of weeks back and fell in love with it. The suspension tuning is sublime. The car nails that sense of fun and engagement even at relatively low speeds.

    No idea if it would be better FOR YOU than the Boss, but it wouldn’t suck.

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    gsf12man

    Hot hatches, particularly Ford hot hatches, are, um, boss, so I must support this decision. I do wish I could take that Boss 302 off your hands. I have an elderly Focus SVT, terrific automobile, and am patiently biding my time until it’s replaced with a Focus ST.

  • avatar
    SchmilBit

    Have some real Fiesta Fun while you’re at it: try to get your hands on the turbo-charged 1.0L engine, with 3 cylinders. It’s the SFE. Simply amazing. And if you’re sweating the rear-facing child seat, just cheat a bit and ge a regular front-facer — not the clip-in — and all will be well. Or do the center mount.

    Remember, though these Fiestas seem small to us, they’re mainstream cars everywhere else in the world and I think Ford makes something like 750,000 of them annually. In some markets they’re the top sellers. So they’re pretty richly equipped and are amazingly driveable.

  • avatar

    If it’s any consolation I got rid of my 2010 Z06 for a 2015 Fiesta ST. I just had a kid 6 months ago, a friend told me about the car.. I drove it and fell in love. Granted it’s not my only car. However, I am now looking at getting a Focus RS when it is released. Something you might want to look into.

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    stanczyk

    Fiesta ST is ‘sharper’ than Focus ST , but RS will be the strongest hot-hatch(except that expensive hipstermobile AMG..) ..
    I would keep ‘the Boss’ – which is really cool, but needs ‘repaint’ .. Boss is a serious car , and yellow is not a ‘serious color’.. 

  • avatar
    LeeK

    Yes. Just yes.

    The Fiesta ST is the modern equivalent of the Mark I GTI and all the playfulness that entails. Nothing against the Mustang, but you have already gained that notch in your enthusiast belt. Time to experience something different. You’ll probably tire of it in a few years, but then you can evaluate your needs and be glad that you got to live with the Fiesta for a while. If you are passionate about cars, then experiencing as many as you can (while still being fianancially sound) is definitely the way to enjoy what life has to offer.

  • avatar

    But then you’ll look silly with a Boss 302 T-Shirt and a Fiesta ST.

    Which is a great car. But not great enough to inspire a T-Shirt

  • avatar
    bomberpete

    I Cannot say what’s right for you. Maybe it’s Seasonal Affected Disorder and you will be all Boss 302 crazy again by April. What I do know is that late beloved actor,racer and enthusiast James Garner – who most people associate with V-8 Firebird hi jinks – said the only car he ever regretted selling was his early Sixties Mini Cooper. Take that FWIW.

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