By on January 8, 2015


We know that the new MQB Golfs are bloody huge inside. If you need all of that, plus more space, more power and none of the added weight of the Golf R Sportwagen’s AWD system, SEAT has something for you non-American readers.

The SEAT Leon ST Cupra will be cheaper than the equivalent Golf Wagon, but it won’t have AWD, or the extra 16 horsepower. You can get a manual or a DSG, and 60 seconds come up in just 5.7 seconds. If you live in Mexico, Europe or elsewhere, game on.

Get the latest TTAC e-Newsletter!

17 Comments on “SEAT And The Killer MQBs...”

  • avatar

    I’d rather have the four door hatch and as a bonus it looks better.

  • avatar

    K04 kit from APR will do the trick. God bless the man who voids a VW warranty though.

    • 0 avatar

      As with an VW turbo… the answer is APR. My brother’s Golf R is running Stage I + intake. His car already upsets Camaro owners on the track and makes my 350Z look like I’m driving Ms. Daisy.

      • 0 avatar

        Load APR tune -> blow turbo -> unload APR tune -> warranty turbo -> reload APR tune. Wash, rinse, repeat.

        I despise VW but the dyno numbers extracted by a tune are impressive. Despite turbos blowing, I have not heard of any issues with the new Golf.

        • 0 avatar

          Maybe I’m dating myself, but back in my VAG days the people I know who got the reflash on the stock turbo wouldn’t kill the turbo in any quick fashion. They usually lasted until about the 100k point, which is far beyond where warranty covers anyway. Of course, this is assuming you install the necessary safety items like a turbo timer and a boost gauge.

          Of course then you have an opportunity for a K04 swap (if you like easy plug&play projects) or a GT28 swap (if you want speed over all else but are a glutton for punishment). But that was a feature, not a bug.

          • 0 avatar

            You are still 100% correct. The problem is with the turbo itself, not the increase of boost pressure. Apparently the turbo will inevitably implode early (design flaw?), but the tune may play Jack Kevorkian in its aid. I’ve seen some unbelievable torque curves on the dyno, amazing that rods haven’t gone through blocks yet.

        • 0 avatar

          I think this is in reference to the early MKVII GTI’s. I thought the turbo failures were due to the NOT CONSERVATIVE AT ALL newest generation of APR tunes as well. It’s looking like it was a supplier issue however, as VW is on something like it’s fifth part number for US market GTI turbos by now.

          This is why you should never ever ever buy a new drive-train design and modify it in it’s first three months on the market. It kind of blew my mind how many people put themselves in that position (at least according to internet chatter.)

      • 0 avatar

        “As with an VW turbo… the answer is APR.”

        No. No. No.

        My local APR affiliate busted the ECU on installing a simple Stage 1, then played stupid and sent me several times to the dealer service department.

        Fortunately, the dealer service department, unlike the APR tuner, had some integrity and was able to work with me.

        Several long months of hitting up my wife for her Camry I’m back to stage 0.

  • avatar
    Felix Hoenikker

    And as an extra bonus, the four door hatch only costs 2/3 of the equivalent Golf!

  • avatar

    why, why, why, why, why, why does the 4 door hatch have a different c pillar than the 2 door hatch or the wagon? it seems dumb to have such differences in production. i realize the 4 door and wagon are probably not shared body panels but wouldn’t the 4 door and 2 door share c pillar structures? seems to me that what should be 3 models and 2 bodies is now 3 models and 3 bodies. or am i somehow seeing this incorrectly?

    fwiw i like the wagon and think the 4 door looks like a honda crv from the 3/4 angle. the 2 door? it looks better than the 4 door. that c pillar makes it look slower.

    wonder what colors they come in………

    • 0 avatar

      That is because in Europe nobody buys 3-door hatches anymore. They used to be popular with the frugal crowd and wannabe racers but the added functionality and better resale value of the 5-doors convinced the former while the latter do not cons1der the second pair of doors to be a blemish on their cred, and they don’t buy new either.
      The only way to sell 3-door hatchbacks in Europe is to differentiate them from the 5-doors (which is usually done by reducing rear visibility to delivery van levels), call them “coupe” (isn’t everything a coupe nowadays?), jack the price up a notch and then look as they invariably fail to sell even one for every 10 five-doors. That’s what Opel, Renault, Kia and Hyundai is doing.
      Sure, Toyota, BMW and VW still offer “traditional” 3-door hatches but nobody buys them, even more so than the faux-coupe variants. FWIW, I heard somewhere that 3-door Golfs are special-order only in Poland. It’s not like anybody takes them up on that offer, though.

  • avatar

    Speed at the track aside (I think the Cupra is actually faster than the equivalent Golf R even around tracks despite the lack of AWD) the Golf has the nicer interior. I find it kind of bizarre that VW lets the SEAT versions get better track times than their VW counterparts though, especially given the pricing. Though I guess that’s why the 400R is coming, just to restore the proper order of hierarchy lol.

  • avatar

    I don’t know if there is currently a make any less relevant than Seat.

    Just after VW bought them, they did okay because they used trusted VW tech but at a lower price. Then VW tried to establish Skoda as its value brand and make Seat the sporty one, an Alfa Romeo of their own, if you will. A sporty make which produced 3 run-of-the-mill small hatchbacks (Arosa, Ibiza, Leon), two equally forgettable small sedans (Cordoba, Toledo), a minivan (Alhambra), and a supermini-based delivery van (Inca), all styled in a traditionally Volkswagen, boring fashion! No models larger than Jetta (apart from Alhambra), no models unique to their make (all were rebadged VWs or largely based thereon), not even one particularly sporty model – apart from the Cupra versions of Ibiza and Leon but practically everybody offered high-performance versions of their hatchbacks back then so it’s not like they were unique.

    Meanwhile, people got wise and noticed that if they wanted to have a VW on a budget, Skoda’s got them covered better than Seat. Skoda exploded in popularity. What did Seat do? They introduced a lineup of minivan-styled vehicles WHILE TRYING TO KEEP THE SPORTY VIBE. They really thought they could pull it off. Guess what? The sales tanked, and what did they do? They introduced a traditional, Audi A4-based sedan. Sounds good, right? PREVIOUS GEN A4-BASED. That’s right, they tried to gain market share by offering a decontented, outdated platform even though even Skoda got the latest tech!

    Now their lineup consists of 2 models based on VW and priced between them and Skoda while having no more brand cachet than the Czechs (Mii and Leon), one cheaper equivalent to a VW but in a declining segment (Alhambra), one rebadged and more expensive Skoda (Toledo), a previous-gen supermini (Ibiza) and a minivan that debuted in 2004(!) (Altea).

    It’s just a matter of time before Seat becomes relegated to the status of a low-volume maker operating in a few select markets before folding completely. Automotive history knows of many such examples – Lancia, Autobianchi, Innocenti, Rover, and other British makes come to mind.

    It’s not a surprise then that VW was/is interested in buying Alfa Romeo. They know their Seat experiment has failed and they can’t get any more mileage out of the failing division.

  • avatar

    Forget scantily clad women (which sadly have been few and far between since Mr Volkswagen left). That picture is all I need to get through the day. Too bad I can’t buy either one of them.

Read all comments

Back to TopLeave a Reply

You must be logged in to post a comment.

Recent Comments

  • poltergeist: Nice try, but the 1.8L in the 2006-2011 Civic uses a timing chain.
  • akear: If things go well maybe they will sell 5,000 of these a year. The truth is nobody really asked for an electric...
  • akear: Tesla can count its blessing that their domestic competition is poor. The Bolt’s main claim to fame,...
  • akear: I find it tragic that Italian and Australian companies are designing US battleships. When I read that I was...
  • akear: To appease the stockholder’s Barra and GM jumped into EV’s hook line and stinker. However, they...

New Car Research

Get a Free Dealer Quote

Who We Are

  • Adam Tonge
  • Bozi Tatarevic
  • Corey Lewis
  • Mark Baruth
  • Ronnie Schreiber