By on January 24, 2015

mexico auto market share sales chart 2014

The Asociación Mexicana de la Industria Automotriz reported a 7% increase to 1.1 million new vehicle sales in 2014.

Nissan is Mexico’s best-selling auto brand. Sales at the Nissan brand jumped 11% to 291,729 units in 2014. Combined with Infiniti and Renault volume, the Alliance owned 28% of the overall Mexican auto market, up slightly more than a percentage point compared with 2013.

A larger market didn’t benefit a number of brands, however. Sales at Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Fiat, Ford, Peugeot, Smart, and Volvo decreased in 2014. For the most part, the biggest improvements were recorded by low-volume brands. Subaru rose 165%, but only to 1410 sales. Infiniti shot up 49% to 1475. Isuzu jumped 45% to 1468. Porsche climbed 27% to 975 units.

Regardless, Mexico is known more for the size of the country’s production capacity than for the country’s consumption of automobiles.  For every new vehicle registered in Mexico, the country’s workers build 2.8 new vehicles. Production jumped 10% in 2014 to 3.2 million units. 90% of that production was powered by Nissan, General Motors, FCA, Volkswagen, and Ford. Honda, Mazda, and Toyota also assemble vehicles in Mexico.

Timothy Cain is the founder of GoodCarBadCar.net, which obsesses over the free and frequent publication of U.S. and Canadian auto sales figures.

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179 Comments on “Chart Of The Day: Auto Brand Market Share In Mexico In 2014...”


  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    I’m stunned that Hyundai/Kia and Subaru are essentially non-existent in Mexico.

    • 0 avatar
      05lgt

      I’m stunned that Ford can’t break 10%. A number that small in NA screams “not trying here!”

    • 0 avatar
      2kriss2kross

      Hyundai just entered the Mexican market in June of last year and before that they were sold as Dodges and would’ve been counted as Dodges. I’ve read that in their half a year of sales, Hyundai is already #10 in Mexico and is still growing and expected to move up more spots in 2015.

      • 0 avatar
        bd2

        Hyundai will need a plant in Mexico if they want to grow a good bit.

        Kia is building a plant, so Hyundai might be able to get Kia to build them a model, but much of the new Kia production will be heading up North and to South America.

    • 0 avatar
      romismak

      Not sure about Subaru, i think Lexus is not present in Mexico,

      Hyundai, Kia weren´t there for years only rebadged Hyundais under Dodge, lately Hyundai badge imports from India under FCA dealers and since this year Hyundai is present and i believe Kia will follow very soon with their announcement of Kia plant in Mexico

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        @hummer
        “Here are my questions,

        1) How does the U.S. market personally affect you.
        2) Explain how our regulations are worse than yours; WITH EMPHASIS on YOUR regulations, I don’t give a GD about what you think of ours.

        Please answer, or I’ll assume your just a AAW troll.

        Answer my original question, that’s how this works.”
        I have stated previously how it affects anyone in Australia, most obvious if you are to import a New US vehicle, outside of Chrysler( only does some vehicles) it has to be RHD. Virtually any non NA vehicle manufactureron the planet can provide one .
        Regulations :: the U.S. does not adhere to global vehicle regulations and by default , things have to be changed before a U.S. vehicle can be sold here, or anywhere else outside NA
        AAW a “union Lite” organisation, Business interests are using it to break the hold of the UAW. No not a card carrying member of a anti-UAW “union”

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          You don’t buy US vehicles in mass, why the hell would we change anything to suit a market as small as yours, start demanding 200k Ram trucks a year and the process will change,
          The only reason that LHD/RHD affects you at all is because of the regulations in Australia, maybe you guys should adopt LHD vehicles like the other 80% of car buying countries. That’s 100% on you guys.

          Our country has more than enough power to justify our own rules that govern vehicular regulations, it’s a real nice aspect of being an American. Again your own fault for not accepting our vehicles, they do just fine with the American standards.

          AAW = Australian Auto Workers, a pretty nice touch I figured you would catch, apparently not.

          By the way you still side stepped my question, you half way answered the first one, let’s be honest, with the number of American made cars you guys buy, that’s a pretty weak argument. The second question you totally ignored the uppercase words as well as the second part of that sentence, you completely focused on the American side of the deal.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      @Scoutdude
      Currently FCA sells mainly the Jeep Grand Cherokee, as their best selling vehicle by far in Australia. virtually everything else has ceased to be sold. Constant advertisements for the Grand Cherokee, are an aspect of Free to air TV , the 3litre CRD seemingly being the only car available in Australia, if your saw the advertisements, they are that frequent. So why the Grand Cherokee? It is a relatively cheap SUV, that can tow a mid range Caravan comfortably, It competes mainly with Toyota and to a lesser extent Hyundai in the market. Caravans in Australia have like towables in the US are becoming bigger and heavier. Now alternatives are turning up to tow comfortably these larger RV’s but you have to modify them and they are not that necessarily that compact. US HD Pickups are compact and built to do just that Larger Caravans are making up a much greater percentage of the roughly 25,000 RV’s sold annually

  • avatar
    HerrKaLeun

    Thanks for the summary. We often forget Mexico also has people buying cars. Our US centrist view let’s us think they drive some old beaters disposed of in other countries.

    Mexico has 123 mio capita. So more than a third of US. But only less than a tenth of car sales.

    • 0 avatar

      In US today live more Mexicans than in Mexico itself in 1920s. IIRC Mexico’s population increased 10-fold since then but like everywhere else population growth is slowing down. I expect it to be negative in near future so massive immigration to US will not last long. Wait until African immigrants start arriving in large numbers – someone have to do job Americans and Mexicans do not want to do. Africa’s population is expected to reach 6 billion people. Europe will have to withstand the new huge wave of immigration with rapidly aging population. At least we are lucky that Mexicans share the same Christian values.

      • 0 avatar
        NoGoYo

        I used to have Kenyan neighbors and they were Baptists. Maybe I was just lucky.

      • 0 avatar
        Lorenzo

        Mexican immigration to the US is already waning. A recent Border Patrol report mentioned over 500,000 people caught at the border, but less than 40% were Mexicans. The majority were from Central and South America.

        Former President Calderon’s war on the drug gangs wasn’t entirely successful, but he combined the effort with attacks on local and regional corruption that was partially successful, and the Mexican economy has improved steadily since.

        The number of immigrants arriving here from farther south seems to indicate the Mexicans have been lax in keeping immigrants from the south from entering Mexico. When Central Americans talked of the colossus of the North, they were talking about the Mexicans, not us.

  • avatar
    TW5

    Half of Mexico has already moved to the United States, yet VW can’t even crack the top-20 in the US. Maybe VW should sell the Gol and the Vento over here. The overpriced stealth-wealth hokum still isn’t working.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    Had no idea that Nissan “owns” Mexico. Is this profitable business? Very interesting.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      Figure Mexico is a huge dumping ground for OEM’s older models you thought were long dead. And with R&D and tolling paid for decades ago? But remember how long the old Beetle lasted down there? It has to be extemely profitable for VW and Nissan.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        Most of the Nissans I see in Mexico are newer models, although they skew towards the smaller end. Of course, some of the small Nissans are huge inside.

        The first time I was in a Leaf was a Mexico City taxi. Very cool, although I wondered about how an electric taxi with 90 miles of range was feasible.

  • avatar
    StaysCrunchy

    I work at a Ford/Lincoln dealership in a US city that has a larger Hispanic population than our state’s and country’s averages. Based on my (purely non-scientific of course) observations over the past 20+ years, the number of Hispanic Ford owners in our community is quite high. I only mention this because I found it interesting to see Ford ranked at barely over 7% of sales in Mexico.

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      Why would anyone buy the lowest common denominator of new cars unless they had to? If you were a Lotto winner, you wouldn’t step up to more luxury?

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      I think they get more choice in Mexico itself, so that is why they do not buy Fords Notice certain ethnic groups, buy specific brands when they are immigrants, probably what is happening in the US

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        So if we had more choices, we’d mostly buy cheesy VWs and Nissans? It just speaks of immigrants going for the brands they were itching for all along, when they were back home with much less income.

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          Well if you had freedom of choice, you could actually decided what is good for you, instead of accepting what is available

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Except anything “missing” could only please their niche hopefuls, not necessarily the OEMs having to provide them. Like forcing VW to provide us the Gol or Scirocco.

            But the overwhelming majority have all the “choices” they could possibly ever get around to owning, in the US. The few whiners may not even show up when it’s time to buy (new).

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “Well if you had freedom of choice”

            As long as it’s under $60K? Over that and it’s taxed so heavily that no one can afford it. Some choice that is, eh?

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Yes why have choice, when the “niche hopefuls” can be satisfied as well
            “But the overwhelming majorityhave all the choices they could possibly get “Exactly same words used by a regime Appatachick in Cuba,

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I wish that I could live in a place where an F-250 cost about $90k or so. Now that’s freedom!

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Lie2 me,
            Freedom of choice maybe a novelty concept in US, but you buy want is on offer no restrictions as regards the origin of the country it was made

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Beacause it’s is a UAW product? could make it a lot cheaper by making RHD in the first place You cannot buy what Romisak pointed out no matter how much money you pay

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “I wish that I could live in a place where an F-250 cost about $90k or so. Now that’s freedom!”

            That’s for the peasants, nothing says freedom like a million dollar Rolls Royce

            I could get a three bedroom split-level in California for that kind of money or five of them anyplace else

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Freedom is paying a luxury tax on a Toyota Highlander. Now that’s my idea of luxury.

            (As a bonus, it’s renamed a Kluger, whatever that is.)

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I think just about any nice SUV would put you near the $100K mark

            Smell that freedom

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            No Freedom of Choice is being allowed to buy, something you want ,Not being restricted or not allowed to own. that is out of the old USSR handbook. Something tells me that is the sort of “freedom” you like
            The UAW has a huge prescience on this board.it is their policy that overrides any rational discussion Oh why cannot buy a Covette but a Nissan GTr is easier to purchase? or why no RHD Ford, GM or Chrysler Pickup

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I have to remind myself that this is the guy who learned in school that 5 < 2.5

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “that is out of the old USSR handbook”

            Not like the *NEW* Russian handbook where you can buy any car you like….

            … for one million Rubles (cheapest Toyota)

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            ” 5 < 2.5"

            Well, I blame their government. They were told that the new 5% tax would be less then the old 2.5% tax and they believed it

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            “Well if you had freedom of choice, you could actually decided what is good for you, instead of accepting what is available”

            Looks like Lie2me, and Pch already posted the exact thoughts that immediately went through my head reading this. Your luxury tax is something I would expect to see in a book on Monarchs.
            What is with the hatred of America from all the Aussies, one would think we were fighting the war on terrorism in Australia. Are American regulations really that big of a subject in Australia, do our politics affect you that much? Australia must be such a perfect place with no crimes, no problems, high income for everyone; it must get boring having nothing to complain about.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Hummer,
            Outside of possibly the most restricted major Automotive market on Earth , many vehicles are banned from being sold in the US, nothing really It would nice if the UAW allowed RHD vehicles to be built, but over the performance they gave about building RHD Highlanders to Toyota for export from the U.S. I do not expect it

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I find it fascinating — OK, weird — that poor Robert and his cousin BAFO are far more concerned about the tariff in a faraway foreign country than the higher tariff and 33% Luxury Car Tax in their own country.

            Who will fight for poor Australia? With all of their internet warriors fighting in the cyberjihad overseas, there seems to be nobody back in Oz who can defend the locals. It’s like Gallipoli all over again.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Old USSR handbook very much restricted you, New Russian has everyone and their mother selling vehicles in Russia

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            As far as I can see any manufacturer can go through the process to have any model certified for the United States. If they don’t see potential profits lucrative enough then there’s no reason to bring said model, or even brand.
            We can’t just open up our market for anyone to put untested crap on the streets. Current manufacturers are required to uphold a certain amount of expectations, and as such every potential vehicle introduced is required to meet these expectations.

            But you’ve sidestepped the main point of my post.

            Why does the range of vehicles availible in America seem to be such a major concern for everyone in Australia? What about the laws in Japan?

            The UAW has no affect on the vehicles in America, the UAW can’t even hold onto the states that have traditionally backed them. What RHD vehicles have to do with America I have no idea, we use LHD, why the hell a manufacturer would build a RHD vehicle needs an explanation.

            How’s the auto manufacturing outlook in Australia? Lots of exports expected, uhh wait, nope. 🚶

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            “A Tarriff in a far way country” Yes Australia is a long way, so why do you care? Romisak brought up the issue of why you cannot buy certain vehicles in the U.S. Nothing to with Tarriffs, you are just restricted from buying from certain countries the UAW has successfully put pressure on the U.S. Government to block these sales

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Hummer,
            If they had similar standards to outside the U.S., the global accepted ones, there would be little problem ,but those differing standards are an issue played out so mant time on the Forum,
            The UAW is a issue as it builds or has connections withmost of the vehicles built in theUS
            Vehicles in the US are LHD, Japan RHD, so not much of problem importing them
            If you want to sell those vehicles at a reasonable price point, build them in RHD or LHD 30% of vehicles globall are RHD
            Exports of Automobiles? Look at Germany Eastern Europe, Asia etc. US is way down the list

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I guess nobody will speak for Australia. Not even her half-literate mechanics will stand up for her dignity or her people.

            Let freedom ring!

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “I find it fascinating — OK, weird — that poor Robert and his cousin BAFO are far more concerned about the tariff in a faraway foreign country than the higher tariff and 33% Luxury Car Tax in their own country.”

            I know, right? Every time I bring it up or ask I never get a straight answer. I mean, what do they care? I don’t care that they’re being screwed by their own government on the luxury tax, why do they care that we don’t have access to the same Chinese junky trucks they do?

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            “@Hummer,
            If they had similar standards to outside the U.S., the global accepted ones, there would be little problem”

            Again explain how this affects you?
            How is a so called American problem have any affect on an individual living in Australia?

            Are you expecting/hoping to see our economy crumble in a similar fashion to yours, would that make you happy? Are you expecting for your manufacturing plants to all of a sudden return in mass to support our economy?

            Does America get blamed for Australia’s losses? Perhaps blaming others is Australia’s way of rationalizing it’s governments failures; perhaps it’s to redirect attention from a government that creates policies similar to your luxury tax.
            So many questions regarding Australia, why focus on America?

          • 0 avatar
            HerrKaLeun

            What ate you guys smoking? The US market offers more choice than most countries at much lower prices. Obviously choice is limited by what people want to buy. If an OEM only can sell 10000 cars a year there obviously is no economic case.

            other countries have much higher prices for less powerful and equipped cars. Read Marcellos stories how they sell a stripper Polo in Brazil for the price of a well eqipped Accord in the US.

            If you think a $28K CRV doesn’t give you enough choice with AT and no diesel, you have the freedom to walk over to BMW and order exactly what you want for $60K.

            Even Germany is at least 40% more expensive. My friends chins drop down when I tell them about our new car prices and the hp numbers of measly Corollas. The US base engine is considered GTI type super power for an additional $5K in most other countries. And what more choice do other countries have? Some small cars with 70 hp motor, no airbag for $25K? It doesn’t require conspiracies to keep them away from the US where people expect to get a 6-cylinder van with all bells and whistles for that price.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            “Every time I bring it up or ask I never get a straight answer.”

            I’m sure that you’ve figured out by now that it has nothing to do with tariffs, regulations or cars. It’s just a bizarre way for them/him to express their/his anti-Americanism.

            And they’re so gutless about it that they don’t even have the courage to admit that they’re anti-American. But with such obvious double standards and OCD-levels of stupi…er, passion for the topic, it can’t be anything but.

    • 0 avatar
      bd2

      Toyota is very popular with the Hispanic buyer in the US, esp. in the SE and Arizona.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    When we were in Mexico last year the other half and I saw a ton of these compact Chevrolet pickup trucks running around – they looked like miniature El Caminos and they apparently had diesel engines.

    We both were thinking, “why don’t they sell these in the states,” would be a perfect commuter, Home Depot runabout.

    • 0 avatar
      frozenman

      Why? Because according the majority of the B&B around here there is no market for them, and they are always right :)

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        It’s not just about whether they’d sell in big enough numbers, but what OEMs would rather sell to US consumers. What about cheesy little cars like the VW Gol?

        Selecting a market’s lineup isn’t as simple as throwing everything you have at it.

        What sells good in Mexico is one thing, and as we’ve seen, even Mexican themselves want much different things when they come to America.

    • 0 avatar
      HerrKaLeun

      Except the chicken tax and regulation barriers it is simple economics. Not enough demand.
      Diesel fuel is more expensive, and small trucks cost almost the same at simiar mileage as full size trucks.

      • 0 avatar
        Mandalorian

        Agree. Also a compact “El Camino” truck is too compromised for most buyers. A Crew Cab F150/Silverado/Ram/Tundra/ETC is pretty much a jack of all trades. It can carry 5 and their stuff in comfort, tow, haul, offroad, etc. A smaller 2-person truck can’t do all of that would probably cost $25k if sold in the US. Not exactly a good value.

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        This is what you mean by a small El Camino? No it does not have a Diesel
        http://trucks.about.com/od/makesandmodels/ss/trucks_world.htm

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      The VW Rabbit pickup was a flop. The BRAT did alright for a marque as small as Subaru, but probably not enough volume to entice a larger automaker. Not really worth the risk.

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        PCH 101′
        You are a dim witted member of the UAW. You have a loathing for anything that come from outside the U.S., So in your paranoid view of the world , there is them and us. Problem for you who is us.? No wonder companies like Ford and GM are floundering with this mindset

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        @lie2me
        The Camaro that was the previous one to this ,was engineered in Australia to be built in eitherRHD and LHD
        In fact Dale Earnhardt Junior was here to watch a V8supercar race as part of his holidays in Northern Queensland
        One thing he did do was drive the then to be released Camaro, around the streets and parts of country Victoria. Yes it was a RHD version.
        I suppose the same philosophy can be applied to The Camaro’s nemesis ,the up coming Mustang. Will not be much of a success if only LHD, and it will have the same potential money making attributes of the Camaro

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      No the choice you get in the US is roughly half what you get in Australia., Global choice is vast, Your guess is how large that is

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        Too bad half the choices are unaffordable, that truly cuts down on what you can get. The other half are Chinese crap that must fill in for the quality products you can’t afford.
        I can go out today and buy a brand new Ram 1500 2 door, 2WD, nice wheels, body matched bumpers, full HVAC, with a 395 HP 5.7l engine for $21,000. But with all the competition you guys have they must be selling the same truck with more power for what? $12,000?

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          @Hummer,
          If RHD, the prices would considerably go down Jeep does it with its Jeep Grand Cherokee, cheaper than the rest. No we do not get Chinese crap. Their a pickups and Trucks failed ADR, could not get their act straight. Outside of Jeep, European, Japanese, Korean and Thai/South African Pickups

  • avatar
    romismak

    Mexico is one of the most interresting markets in the world i always check their monthly sales as one of 1st, US, China, Russia, EU+EFTA, India, Brazil, Mexico i always check every month as soon as their associations release new stats.

    Nissan is No.1 for years now, i think they overtook Chevrolet 5-6years ago? not sure, i wonder if there is another country in the world where Nissan is No.1, probably not.

    Hyundai just in 2014 officialy came to MExico under their name and their distribution network, that was also weird 5th biggest automaker in the world wasn´t present at their own in Mexico for years – only under rebadged cars and later with Hyundai badge but under Chrysler distribution network-dealers.

    Another interresting topic is size of Mexico – over 1 million market, yet the potential is 2x-3x bigger – Mexico should be selling 2.5 million cars per year, with all those US used car imports thanks to NAFTA

    Chevrolet is like 94% of GM at least for 2013 that was the number i believe, that is also weird comparing to GM brands % for US-Canada where GMC, Buick and Cadillac each have good share from total GM numbers

    • 0 avatar
      romismak

      Just looking at graph, not sure why Chrysler is above Ford here, when Chrysler sold 69.013 vehicles, fiat 7936 and Alfa 74 – that´s 77 thousand while Ford was 79.097+Lincoln 1868 – that´s 81 thousand

      It is possible they were counting to Chrysler numbers 1st half of year´s sales of Hyundai-under Chrysler dealerships back than? if so than yes Chrysler outsold Ford, but without Hyundai Ford outsold Chrysler

  • avatar
    EspritdeFacelVega

    Here’s the deal. Prior to NAFTA , the Mexican car market was effectively walled off behind high tariffs. Unless a car was made in Mexico it was prohibitively expensive. Even the Big 3 had pared down models lines, with some wild badge engineering. For example, when I started traveling to Mexico on business in the late 80s, a GM A-body could be a “Chevrolet Cutlass” and the Chrysler K-Cars were still Plymouth Volares (Reliant) and Dodge Darts (Aries). Volkswagen still made the Bug and Microbus in Puebla, and these dominated the market along with Nissan, then the only Asian carmaker there, with a plant at Aguacalientes starting in the late 60s or early 70s, making initially the old 1200…and in recent decades last-gen Sentras under different names (Tsuru, Tsusu II) etc., but a wide variety of other models as well.

    The Mexican car market changed utterly with NAFTA, and then with Mexico’s subsequent free-trade agreement with the EU. In addition to most of the makes and models sold in the US, Mexico now gets Alfa, Peugeot, Renault, more of the Fiat range, the smaller Benzes and BMWs, etc. Driving from Texas to Florida over Christmas I saw an interesting variety of cars with Mexican plates, including a Renault Kangoo and a Hyundai i10. Because there is no “chicken tax” you’ll see a wide variety of Asian trucks and vans now in Mexico, and I see lots of Mexican-plate Toyota HiAce passenger vans here in Texas, so clearly Toyota has that as some sort of niche in the market there.

    Given that Ford and Chrysler have long roots in Mexico, I’m surprised at their relatively small market share. Chrysler has struggled because of a weak compact line for the market and singularly unconvincing rebadged small Hyundais (complete with unchanged Hyundai logos). The new-for-2015 (in Mexico) Chrysler Vision, a rebadged Fiat Siena from Brazil, should help, especially as Fiat doesn’t sell the Siena in MX (although they get the Palio and Uno). Ford is harder for me to figure out, but then again look at GM in Canada, down to less than 13% market share….

    For us car folk, Mexico is interesting and worth taking seriously. Mexico has loads of trouble, for sure, but has a fast-growing middle class and has had several years of economic growth at a much faster pace than north of the Rio Grande. For a developing country, which it still is, it has a robust and vibrant car market.

    • 0 avatar
      romismak

      Interresting inside, thanks

      it´s also good to see in how you said southern US mexican cars that are not avalaible in US market – like Toyota non-US models, smaller pickups from many automakers that are not in the US but are dominating pickup markets in whole world, the same goes with Mexico, Lexus, Hyundai-until recently, Kia not present in market, yet those brands and cars must be heavily imported to Mexico in that used car market which is as big if not bigger than new car market – that´s the reason MExico is only 1.1million market and not 2-2.5million

      And people wondering about top 5 here- big 3 history + Nissan – producing here for ages- Mexico was 1st outside of Japan production plant i believe and VW also long there just like in Brazil, so if we look at who is dominating the market is kind of logical

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        @romisak,
        You cannot have those choices available as they would impact on the profits of the Big 3 Pickup makers in the US.
        Telling example is what has happened to the U.S. Domestic Luxury vehicle makers,now struggling in their home market

        • 0 avatar
          romismak

          Yes i get that, chicket tax and all this stuff, it´s just weird you know, whole world Toyota pickups, even Chevy, Ford – Ranger, Nissan Navara and othrs – Thai produced exported to whole world, Toyota Hilux – what is probably No.1 car in many countries where Toyota dominates- Africa, Midle east and Asia.

          Big 3 having fat proffits thanks to government helping them and keeping 10-20 other good pickups away from US market-smaller ones and from other automakers

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @romisak If you can restrict the choice,, hang onto ancient architecture like Toyota has done with the Tacoma, Ford with the Econoline, you have these products basically printing money. It would not happen in other more competitive markets

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Could you imagine Proton, Mahindra, Ssangyong, etc, paying the 50 or some odd millions to federalize pickups to sell 2 or 3,000 of them a year? Even if they were allowed to do complete assembly at home (no CKD kits)?

            The Ridgeline can’t even crack 14,000 units.

            Mexico has no auto regulations of their own. There’s zero spent on nationalizing.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Peugeot, Citroen, Suzuki, Daihatsu, Yugo, Rover, MG all failed in the US because of the chicken tax!

            (Oh, wait a minute…)

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Yes they certainly would as they do it in other markets, where they are allowed to trade

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            F250′ Suburban,Taurius have all failed here because they did not meet the market expectations.
            So did Opel , Peugot, Citroen, Renault to name a few. Now they are trying to renter the market

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            So if American cars and trucks didn’t meet expectations, were pulled from the OZ market, shouldn’t American OEMs be forced to supply those “choices” to the Aussie consumers anyways?

            If an Aussie wants or needs a US fullsize pickup, shouldn’t it be available for less than $100,000 for base strippers? Is that “choice”? Might as well be a million for most.

            But then what’s so different about all the historical import cars and mini-trucks that didn’t meet expectations and were pulled from the US market? What about the OEM’s CHOICE not to take a loss???

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            No, you have it wrong, if a car is no longer sold in Australia it’s because it “did not meet the market expectations.” Never mind that the oppressive luxury tax priced them beyond the reach of most Aussies

            If a vehicle isn’t sold here it’s not because nobody wanted it, it’s because our UAW controlled socialist government won’t allow a free market to exist here restricting us to American made cars.

            … according to RobertRyan Australian Minister of Automotive Baloney

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Build them in RHD, take at least 30’000 to 40,000 off price.That is right UAW not happy about starting a separate shift to build them. talked to a Chrysler exec n Australia about importing a RHD Ram. He said that it would not be a problem, but the Unions and Management would have to agree for a business case

            @lie2me Apt moniker you have. A Taurus? You must be joking, it was cheaper than a Falcon. You UAW people invent as you go along

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @RobertRyan – You speak with a fork tongue. When US autos fail, on foreign land, they failed to meet expectations. But when world foreign autos fail to meet expectations in the US, they’re not allowed to do trade here???

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            @ Robert, You come up with some very imaginative reasons to support your strange beliefs.

            The people who need to take $30-40K off the price is your government. There is no business case in paying someone $10k to take a new truck. I do believe though if Ford, GM or Chrysler gave people a new truck and payed them $10K on top of that you would see darn near everyone driving around in full size pickups.

            The UAW would love to add another shift to the production of any vehicle. That would mean more workers and more income from dues. Of course you don’t understand how vehicles are built, they would not build RHD vehicles during the day and LHD vehicles at night. They would come off the line on the same shift(s). They don’t run different shift to make diesels vs gas, long bed crew cabs vs short bed regular cabs ect. They roll down the line one after the other.

            You do have it right that for them to bring the Ram down under FIAT would have to make a good business case for doing so. The UAW and their members, despite the fact that they would have absolutely zero say in the matter, would love it and wouldn’t really care if there was a business case for it…. at least as long as the company remained solvent and was able to make wages.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Scoutdude,
            Absolutely nothing to do with Government, it is the literal rebuilding of a U.S. Pickup to RHD. A Lot of work and it would be better done at the Factory .Chrysler knows that is a major problem, that is why the Exec said they could take 30-40 thousand off the price, before they land here

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            The large pickups are expensive because they have to be converted to RHD, and the Australian government will no longer permit new LHD cars to be sold there.

            Ford chooses not to make them RHD. The Aussies won’t make an exception, plus they cap the number of vehicles that can be converted, which may be a supply constraint.

            So a new Ford F-series or Tundra will cost something close to six figures in US dollars. In effect, it’s partly handmade, and that ain’t gonna be cheap.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            So Toyota sells RHD vehicles in the US does it? LR, Range Rover, Mini are all sold RHD in the US? No because they would be dangerous on the roads You have the brain of a gnat

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            US regulations don’t require left-hand drive. But the Aussies do require RHD.

          • 0 avatar
            George B

            romismak, it’s not that difficult to get around the chicken tax. Ford currently imports the Ford Transit Connect with rear windows and seats and converts it to a small delivery van. The Subaru Brat had seats installed in the bed. Thai pickup trucks could be shipped partly assembled to Mexico with the final product coming into the US under NAFTA rules. If there was enough profitable demand to justify the engineering cost of making a small pickup truck meet US requirements, some manufacturer would find a way to evade the chicken tax. The problem is the sales volume is low and Americans expect small vehicles to have a small price.

          • 0 avatar
            mikey

            The UAW is not happy with the adding an extra shift to build RHD?????

            The plant would need to hire ??Oh..say?? 800 ? dues paying members ?

            Yeah, yeah …I can see where that just might not work for the UAW.

            What planet are you living on…Robert ?

        • 0 avatar
          HerrKaLeun

          RobertRyan: there are no equivalent full-size pickup trucks. the US/Canada are the only market demanding them in large enough numbers. AFAIK Toyota are the only foreign maker even making full size pickups (forget about the 10 Titan annually). no conspiracy, just the fact only US/Canada actually want full size pickups. Other countries use work trucks for work, and cars for people.

          And if you mean the lack of small pickups, multiple manufacturers have tried those and failed all the time except for some holdouts (Tacoma). There is just not much of a business case for several reasons.

          And the fact that those are not offered in Australia probably is more related to the fact that YOU DRIVE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD making it too expensive for many OEM. If you look at a map, most cars/people are in countries that drive on the right (literally and figuratively) side of the road. Drive on the right side of the road and you would have much more choice in vehicles. i hate the UAW as much as the next guy, but the fact you drive on the wrong side of the road is not their fault.

          If the US market would not have choices, prices should be high, but for some reason the US has the lowest transaction prices if you account for content and engine size. anyone who thinks a BMW in the US is the most expensive car to buy and own should go to Germany and buy the same BMW for probably another $10K in addition with equivalent repair cost. and even measly VW cost as much as at least Audis in the US.

          And the fact we don’t have all those 3rd grade OEM from Europe (Citroen, Alfa..) isn’t because of conspiracy, it is because no one here wants a car that is even less reliable than VW for the price of a BMW.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @herrkalun
            Virtually every manufacturers on the planet makes RHD versions of their vehicles Exception US manufacturers. Yes they could make Dieeel HD Pickups more affordable for people outside NA, mainly Aust and NZ.
            Still the alternatives can have more going for them, than the original US vehicles. As a result demand is not exactly enormous Roughly 30% of Global vehicles are RHD

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @George B
            Why have it in the first place? Romisak must be scratching his headwhy the U.S. is the only country with this crazy Chicken Tax I find it fascinating that every proponent,then says in the same breath ,”You can get around it” Like saying there is income tax in the US, but there are ways you can avoid paying it

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            The European Union has a 22% tariff on trucks with engines larger than 2.5 liters. That’s 28 crazy countries right there.

            Of course, that’s nothing compared to the 57.5% tariff that Australia used to have on cars.

            And what about that 33% luxury car tax that the Aussies have? The US doesn’t have anything like that sort of craziness! Those poor Aussies, when will somebody help them?!?!?!

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Coming from a country with the worlds worst restrictions directed at certain countries, sound very hollow indeed.
            The UAW does not give up does it.? Just constant a Union Propganda with absolutely no basis in reality

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            South Africa has a 25% tariff on cars and trucks. So now we’re up to 29 crazy countries.

            I’m starting to think that Robert doesn’t know what he’s talking about. His “facts” never turn out to be true. Bogans must not be very good at math(s).

            Then there’s that luxury tax. Robert won’t help his own people. Why, oh why?

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Only Craziness here is the somewhat deranged logic used by the Union to justify its existence. It has made US vehicles uncompetitive, but says everyone else is at fault??

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            29 countries is 29 more than zero.

            And 5% is still higher than 2.5%.

            Speaking of which, 33% is also higher than zero. 33%, of course, is the luxury car tax rate in Australia. Who will help the Aussies to repeal this oppressive measure?

            You sure do have trouble with arithmetic.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            RobertRyan is an American wannabe. He is so jealous of our cheap big powerful vehicles that he has devoted his online life to trying to convince others that the crap cars he is forced to drive are somehow superior because of the abundant choices of crap available to him

            Unfortunately he knows that quantity does not equal quality which just makes him nuts. Envy is a nasty mistress

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Let’s be fair. He doesn’t want to be a Yank, he just wants the Commodore to return to its former glory.

            Unfortunately for him, that would require that the Aussies return to having that 57.5% tariff, and that probably isn’t going to happen.

            This might sound kind of familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGW-WX77zjY

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            He’d probably be happy with a Camaro Z28. A car designed by his own countrymen that can be had in the US for about $72K, but would cost over a $100K in his homeland

            That must just kill him.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            He would want a Monaro, not a Camaro.

            What would kill him is if he knew that Vegemite was owned by the Americans.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Holden = GM

            Vegemite = Kraft

            RobertRyan = Stockholm Syndrome

            Everything he holds sacred is owned by the Evil Empire

    • 0 avatar
      CaddyDaddy

      Saw a Seat Toledo here in N. Colorado yesterday with Chi-Whah-Wa plates. Do Seat sales count towards VW’s sales figures in Mexico?

  • avatar
    TOTitan

    Maybe Nissan does well there because you can beat the crap out of them, not maintain them, and they on keep running. When they do break they are easy to fix. Most roads in Mexico are bad, and in the rural areas many are not paved. I spent much of my life in Alaska which also has terrible roads. Nissans always held up well there and had no problem starting in below zero weather.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      DenMike, that made no sense at all try again

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Yeah, it did. He said you’re a hypocrite

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          You and he are UAW trolls

        • 0 avatar
          Pch101

          I’m still trying to figure out what a “UAW troll” is supposed to be. It must be somebody who knows that 5 is larger than 2.5.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            UAW gets people who are supposed to post here to highlight UAW products, that is what I was told. They will post gibberish etc to get clicks, but to highlight UAW products. This form of political advertising is used by other Unions, Left of Agenda groups to gain attention,, Nothing new

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Who exactly told you this?

            The UAW certainly isn’t the reason Australia has dying auto manufacturing plants.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I wonder what gave away my UAW status? It must have been my German car, or the Japanese cars that I owned before that.

            Or it could have been the Ford that I had. (It was a Falcon made in Australia.)

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Pch, he figured you out, if you squint at your name the “pc” kinda forms a U, the “h” is code for A, and the 101, well you made that too easy, obviously a W.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            No you primarily bring up UAW issues with US Government.Must be sheer coincidence
            Romisak, now knows why vehicles are very restricted in the US

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I doubt that a bogan who isn’t smart enough to figure out that 5 is larger than 2.5 is going to use numerology to decode my handle.

            Using Occam’s Razor, I would have to conclude that he’s just dumb.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            PCH 101′
            Using Occanms Razor, yes you are pretty thick . Got nothing to add run out of ideas , now just insults?

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Poor Robert hasn’t figured out yet that “I know you are but what am I?” stops working as an insult at about age seven.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Since basic truths are too much for you to handle, judging by the fact you completely ignore any question ultimately showing your ignorance; I’d imagine the statement to be less of an insult and more of rationally based conclusion.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Ok Can you stop posting derogatory comments and post some fact or even a rebuttal, too much for you?

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @hummer,
            What did you mean by Hazards? Still have not given an answer

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Here are my questions,

            1) How does the U.S. market personally affect you.
            2) Explain how our regulations are worse than yours; WITH EMPHASIS on YOUR regulations, I don’t give a GD about what you think of ours.

            Please answer, or I’ll assume your just a AAW troll.

            Answer my original question, that’s how this works.

          • 0 avatar
            mikey

            Okay, hold it…The UAW “pays” people to write pro union comments here.????

            How much..?.. Do they pay the cash to TTAC ?

            Derek….we got to talk..dude! While your at it give me Bertal and Farago’s number.

            Woooo hooo ! I got some retroactive pay coming . Thanks Robert Ryan, don’t listen to them other guys. You da Man !

          • 0 avatar

            Hey, *somebody* has to pay my Grandma’s fee for the reviews and it sure ain’t me!

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @mikey,
            Here is a website that has a preoccupation with US vehicles and Manufacturing, but no UAW participation? It even has articles on workplaces that reject the UAW, the various movement of Union officials(I have never seen that in any other website on the planet, unless it was a specific Union one)
            No I cannot believe that the Union would not accept making RHD vehicles, but from my sources, they have. Why I cannot fathom out.
            Proof is in the pudding. They had to make the Jeep as that was a Govt initiative, but a lot of bargaining by Toyota to get the Highlander built in the US from both parties. According to Chrysler Exec no problems building RAM RHD, but nothing, Corvette etc
            Then you have that famous tax, that somehow can be easily avoided and is no big deal. . Why would the Govt go to the expense of trying to collect a tax that can be avoided. makes sense to the other UAW Trolls

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            …you are something else…

            Is BAFO not picking up the phone or is this below even him?

            ” It even has articles on workplaces that reject the UAW, the various movement of Union officials(I have never seen that in any other website on the planet, unless it was a specific Union one)”
            News is also availible from such publications, websites, and television, from the following sources-
            CNN
            FOX
            ABC
            MSNBC
            New York Times
            Associated Press
            Please make note Comedy Central “news” doesn’t count.
            This is a automotive website, it focuses on the aspects of automotive related news and everything that encompasses the subject.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @RobertRyan – You’re not even arguing the points when you’re repeatedly proven wrong. Just say: “OK, you’re completely right, however you may be working for a certain union and or collecting a paycheck for proving myself and BAFO stup!d beyond belief.”

            Suppose TTAC is just a clever front for the UAW/CAW and everyone except for yourself and BAFO, gets a check in the mail. OK then explain where our points are wrong, regardless of who’s saying them and why they’re said.

            Why not take every reply at face value? You’re clearly s!destepping all replies you don’t like to hear with the ad hominem, like any 3rd rate troll would.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            @ Robert what don’t you understand about the fact that the Union has no say in what is built? They are not the reason that there is no RHD Ram. You said it yourself that FIAT would have to have a good business case for it, though you tried to blame it on the UAW like everything you perceive as wrong with the US market.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Celebrating Australia Day with America bashing seems a bit weird. I would think that barbequing would be a more appropriate way to celebrate the holiday.

            Incidentally, India has import duties of 100%. That should make it hard to swallow your pavlova.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Scoutdude
            He emphasised yes it was doable for the factory but the UNION had to be on board for the whole thing to go ahead

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Hummer,
            find a reference from those other websites and pubs on the internal politics of the Union?

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            @Robert, then he must have been talking out of his ass.

            You and he just don’t understand how the union works and seem to believe it has great power. They were pretty powerful at one time but that went away decades ago.

            The union has absolutely zero say in what or what doesn’t get produced. They scream bloody murder when one of the mfgs want to close a plant, end a shift, or move production to a foreign country and then the mfg does what it was planning to do anyway.

            If FIAT thought they could sell enough RHD Ram pikcups in a particular country to make it profitable then they would be doing so. Fact is they have to think that they could sell enough to support the needed infrastructure and marketing in that country and leave enough money over to send to Sergio then they would be doing it.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Scoutdude
            Maybe he was erring on the side of caution who knows. It is strange they have made the woeful Nitro,the Hot Rod thing, 300c, Wrangler and Jeep Cherokee RHD at competitive prices. Not only that they included diesels
            I cannot fathom it out why not the RAM. It would have a following , the 3/4 and 1 ton with the Caravan set.
            Your guess is as good as mine

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            @Robert, I’d say the reason that they don’t make a RHD Ram when they make those other vehicles in RHD versions is the exact same reason that they don’t offer a less than full size pickup in the US market. That would be that they can’t justify a business case for them, ie they don’t think they will make a profit on them.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            @ RobertRyan

            I know you prefer to believe that the RHD/LHD issue is some big UAW plot, but this may disappoint you to find out that the reason is so much simpler…

            “Why No Right Hand Drive Camaro?

            While we aren’t likely to get a solid answer as to why there is no right hand drive Camaro until after the 2016 models have been fully introduced, there is probably one main reason why GM might not build the right-drive 6th gen Camaro.

            *Money*.

            There is a great deal of engineering involved with taking a left hand drive Chevrolet Camaro and converting it to right hand drive. That engineering – and the testing procedures that come with a new drive configuration – isn’t cheap. If GM opts not to offer a right hand drive Camaro for 2016 or shortly after, it will almost certainly be due to the fact that the automaker doesn’t expect to sell enough RHD units to justify the costs of engineering and building those models.

            Of course, this isn’t based on official information so there is still a chance that we could see a right hand drive 2016 Chevrolet Camaro, but it doesn’t look good for those folks who drive on the left side of the road to get a 6th gen Camaro that will work better on their local roads.”

            – See more at: http://www.torquenews.com/106/insider-information-claims-no-right-hand-drive-2016-camaro-coming#sthash.GbJnn7Lj.dpuf

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        Speaking from both s!des of your mouth;

        Double Speak;

        Hypocrite;

        BAFO;

        Take your pick.

      • 0 avatar
        JD23

        Are these guys still whining about the Chicken Tax?

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          Your right it is supposed to be about Mexico and Romisak, asked why other Global Pickups cannot be imported . Mexico is a member of NAFTA and has FTA’s with other countries. Canada is working on a FTA with EU

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      US Regulations do not require LHD Correct! to save money Jaguar/LR , Toyota, Nissan , RR, Bentley, bring in their cars in RHD to save money

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        I will answer on PCh101’s behalf As a Paid Union Troll , I have to post gibberish when questions regarding the union come up and deliberately avoid answering truthfully any other questions

        • 0 avatar
          George B

          Robert, bringing the comments closer to the subject of the article, the Mexican car market, how does the UAW prevent the Chrysler Saltillo Truck Assembly Plant in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico from making trucks for the Australian market? They build large quantities of Ram trucks without UAW workers. Same deal for General Motors and Silao Assembly which manufacturers Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups in Mexico. I resent that the UAW actively supports the US political party I oppose, but they don’t organize workers outside of 3 automakers and only in the US.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @George B,
            The UAW has done a deal with FCA, to build only LHD vehicles.as regards US Pickups So it does not matter if ithey are built in any NAFTA region.
            As a intiative of the U.S. Government, vehicle production of Jeep vehicles was moved to the NAFTA region Previously RHD Jeeps with 3 Litre CRD engines were built in Austria
            What happens f rom here with the dire situation in Italy only Sergio knows.
            You may ask why a low volume maker like Corvette does not have a RHD variant, can add Cadillac, Lincoln Why not build RHD Pickups, etc.
            30% of the Worlds population is a lot of people The Koreans do not have a problem, nor do the other Europeans. Only the U.S. finds this is a problem

          • 0 avatar
            Truckducken

            Guys and gals, we gotta stop feeding this incoherent troll.

        • 0 avatar
          el scotto

          Boy, oh Boy am I ever upset. I’m one of the few people on here who had a union (Ironworkers) card in his wallet. I left the union in good standing; career change. Seems I need to contact my old union, some of the bigger locals, or (gasp) the AFL-CIO to get my fair share of this “UAW trolling money”. Heck, I might get up to five American Dollars for each comment to TTAC. In reality the UAW is a shrinking/dying union. It is quite liberal -cough, labor union, cough- politically and usually works/petitions the US Govt to promote their political agenda. The UAW does work with US automakers when their interests coincide. None of the transplants are UAW and they sell many, many cars in the US. Two closing comments: 1. At one point I couldn’t park my Bimmer in the Teamster or UAW parking lots. 2. The Ironworkers union was formed to provided funeral benefits to widows of men who had died in construction accidents.

        • 0 avatar
          mikey

          I’m getting to the root of this “paid union troll” thing. Always liked you PCH101, but as we say in the shop.

          Your performing work outside of your classification.

          I’m taking this whole “paid union troll” thing up to management. Derek will be able to wallpaper his office with grievence”s…!

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I only wish that somebody had told me about this two-tier wage system for UAW trolls. I can’t make a living on these internet wages!

  • avatar
    kovakp

    I wonder if there has ever been a proper exposé of the Australian DoD’s Cold War experimenting upon their own citizens with communicable learning disabilities (CLDs)?

    The project was cancelled in 1967 when researchers concluded that Soviet alcoholism was a more efficient destroyer of their technocracy with the added advantage of being an indigenous tradition.

    But that was too late to save TTAC’s Aussies from being innocent victims of a desperate time.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      May I ask what explains your disability?

    • 0 avatar
      Pch101

      It could be a case of Excess Mullet Syndrome. The hair constricts blood flow to the brain, the poor bogan buys a Chinese pickup, and it all goes downhill from there.

      • 0 avatar
        kovakp

        Ix-nay! EMS was one of the few successes their DoD had! But it was meant for the abos and got wildly out of control.

        • 0 avatar
          Pch101

          Not to be confused with the Chav, the bogan’s British cousin, the new bogan male now wants to be a Chev. This utterly confusing phenomenon involves the removal the Holden badging from a Monaro or SS Commodore, replacing them with badges from a bankrupt American company. While the bogan will sometimes profess a desire to visit the vacuous crassness that is Las Vegas, it has generally been unfashionable during the last decade for the aspirational Aussie bogan to be overtly pro-American. Except on his Australian car.

          http://thingsboganslike.com/2009/11/18/28-holdens/
          _________

          Poor Robert must be struggling with this.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            You are a total fruitcake. What do you like better question? I know some American posters on this site are not” American Enough” for you
            So I guess yo hate everyone , a true Union Troll
            Cannot provide an answer, so you go into this stupid pantomine

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            The 26th of January is Australia Day.

            You can celebrate here it at TTAC by complaining about America! (Just don’t let a dingo eat your baby.)

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Holy…

            You continue to ignore the most basic questions.

            Not limited to, how does America auto market affect you.

            You continue to post how we have heavy restrictions and ignore your restrictions that are much more hazardous than ours.

            There’s two questions, answer them direct, let me make it even clearer.

            1) How does the U.S. market personally affect you.
            2) Explain how our regulations are worse than yours; WITH EMPHASIS on YOUR regulations, I don’t give a GD about what you think of ours.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @hummer,
            More Hazardous explain?? How does the American Market affect us. Not making vehicle RHD, primary issue.
            Not Regulations restrictions, if Regulatios different, more than just changing the steering column involved. If your regulations similar to Global very few restrictions

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @RobertRyan – I’ve asked you repeatedly to name a_major_automotive_market LESS restrictive to import OEMs than the US, and you always just scamper off, even though you incessantly keep repeating “the US is the most restrictive major automotive market on the planet”.

            Then you’re off to the ad hominem, UAW nonsense when cornered on all your BS.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            Den Mike,
            Australia, you did asked repeatedly the US is probably the most restrictive major market

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            You still didn’t answer Mike’s question, his question requires name(s) of countries that fit into the parameters of less restrictive. A blanket answer doesn’t work.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Hummer,
            Any country that has Global Standards, name I forget, US does not recognise the standards, so you can buy and sell with little restrictions outside NA, or more specifically US,
            US Standards are US Only

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @hummer
            Now you have not answered mine what Hazards were you referring too?

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Negative, I asked the questions on that post that apply to you, if you want my explanation on why I used the words I used, then you will give me two direct answers to the two direct questions that I originally posed.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Since he isn’t going to do it, I’ll answer Robert’s questions on his behalf.

            He’s obsessed with America because he blames the USA for destroying his beloved Holden.

            He doesn’t blame Canada or the EU or his own country for the death of his beloved marque, so those tariffs, regulations, etc. mean nothing to him even though their tariffs are all higher than the US tariff.

            Ironically, he’s a lot like those UAW guys who hate the Japanese for having the audacity to build a better car. He doesn’t get the fact that Aussies stopped buying Commodores and Falcons once the alternatives became more affordable. (Australia used to have very high tariffs.)

            Just as Americans did in the 70s, the Aussies have gone through a downsizing trend over the last few years that has boosted sales of the Mazda 3 and other compacts. At the other end of the scale, they have also acquired a taste for SUVs/CUVs, which also doesn’t help the traditional Commodore/Falcon fan.

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Hummer,
            Not into guessing competitions, Why not just repeat what you said earlier ? Or is now not relevant?

          • 0 avatar
            HerrKaLeun

            If your British colony is so superior, why do you need the cars from a sovereign nation so bad? Can’t your Queen send some Leylands?

          • 0 avatar
            RobertRyan

            @Herrkalun,
            You mean the U.S. is not a British Colony? Acts like one idolises the British Monarchy, loves British Rock groups even has a soft spot for Ozzie Osborne

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            No, we are not POHMs, unlike the Aussies we get a little grumpy when we’re taxed into the stratosphere and we start throwing stuff overboard while telling the crown to f*ck-off

          • 0 avatar
            HerrKaLeun

            your head of state is the Queen and the PM has to be appointed by the queen. At least our president doesn’t need approval from another nation.
            the US hasn’t been a colony since 1776 and we were allowed to drive on the right side of the road, when will you find the courage?

  • avatar
    threeer

    I see what you did there…putting “Renault” and “Alliance” in the same sentence!

  • avatar
    wmba

    Robert Ryan, anorak, nutter, believer in conspiracy theories made up in the vacuum stolidly maintained between his ears, once proclaimed in breathless tones that all GM high feature V6s were made in some Holden shed for the entire world, informs us you cannot get insurance for LHD cars in the UK which 30 seconds on google would disprove, gangs up with BAFO to rail about US chicken tax for reasons no rational person can discern, calls everyone who disagrees with his wild imaginings a UAW troll, and manages to insert large foot in mouth at every opportunity.

    Today’s RR revelation: “Roughly 30% of Global vehicles are RHD.”

    If you add up vehicle sales from the UK, India, Japan, Oz, S Africa and the other odds and ends, you get about 15 million out of 88 million worldwide last year. Far from being 30% of the total, it’s more like 16 or 17%. Just another RobertRyan blunder.

    I know it gets a bit warm in Oz during the summer, mate. Try pouring a bucket of ice water over your head. It might clear things up but I doubt it – you’ve been spouting rubbish for the last six years or more on this site. And, you never learn, which means we get to read the same idiocy over and over again. Oh joy.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      I think it’s something in the Vegemite

    • 0 avatar
      whynot

      His obsession with RHD vs LHD is so strange. The solution to his problem is clear- Australia should switch to LHD like most of the rest of the world. That will save all that money he was talking about earlier. Then he doesn’t have to worry about the lazy UAW workers who supposedly don’t want to build RHD.

      • 0 avatar
        mikey

        @ whynot….All joking aside, Right now, as in today. The UAW would be extatic to get a chance to run RHD. They ran them in Oshawa before I started. To run LHD and RHD on the same line requires a lot of labour.

        Right here in my home town were facing the very real prospect of losing our plant completely.

        If GM was to allocate RHD production to our flex plant. We would be dancing in the street. Even if it is minus 20 degrees out there

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      Pch101

      If Robert allows a day to pass without making some kind of factual error, then he feels incomplete. Screwing things up must have some therapeutic value.

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    TomHend

    Let’s see, 7 year 0% loans, 31% of all 2014 new car loans were to sub prime buyers, GM profit is 2011 $9.2B, in 2013 $5.4B and on course for 2014 to be $4B-yup things are great, nothing to see here, move along.

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