By on December 10, 2014

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The world is not enough for Volkswagen AG, as it now has plans to introduce a mid-size sedan to slot between the Passat and the Phaeton.

AutoBild reports the proposed model will do battle with the BMW 5 Series and Mercedes E-Class, with sedan and wagon variants on the table, with U.S. and Chinese markets receiving the sedan while the Europeans can buy either style.

Regarding platforms for the sedan, VW is considering either its MQB architecture — following the next-gen Passat in 2017 — or Audi’s MLB platform, which underpins the A6. Power is expected to come from four- and six-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines, and would be linked to all four corners via DSG and Audi’s Quattro AWD system.

The proposed base price for the model would begin at €37,500 ($46,500 USD), and would be assembled in either China, Mexico or North America. The new model would go on sale sometime near the end of this decade.

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59 Comments on “Volkswagen Unveils Plans For 5 Series/E-Class Fighter...”


  • avatar
    jrmason

    Great looking car.

    • 0 avatar
      carguy

      …and a great way to cannibalize A6 sales.

      VAG already has a brand that competes with Mercedes and BMW – they should focus their luxury conquest efforts on Audi not the peoples car.

      • 0 avatar
        360joules

        My first reaction to this was, “Huh, so what’s the A6 for?” But then I squeezed my tin foil hat tight, free-associated, and came up with The China Angle: this will be manufactured in China by one of the joint venture partners of VW. VW will break even or even lose money on this vehicle everywhere except China, where it will be purchased by local and small-fry regional officials trying duck corruption scandals in a (near) luxury ride.

  • avatar
    FractureCritical

    well it’s about time that VAG actually tried to build something to compete with the 5 series and the E class. In other news, Audi also wonders who buys the A6.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      I was about to say, I thought VW already built a 5er/E-Class competitor. Or rather, I thought they built two (the A6 and A7).

      Good to see that the “German General Motors” philosophy is alive and well.

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      I wish they’d buisd something to compete with tho Camry first.

      I got burned real bad on maintenance on my 2001 Jetta. I haven’t seen any evidence of a real turnaround since.

      • 0 avatar
        frozenman

        Further proof of VW (German?) hubris that they will not recognize they have a problem, they need to take a step back and up their game before moving on. They have some compelling designs but it’s not enough.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          Agreed 100%.

          Humility and solving problems in the route to victory. I WANT to be a VW fanboy, but I need to see the recognition and resolution of the problem I experienced with their product before I can do that again.

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          No they do not have a problem from one aspect, they are going to turnover 10 million vehicles in a weak Global market, with massive profits to boot

  • avatar
    petezeiss

    Oh, the sad irony… VWs always have the sober, restrained and clean styling I love so much. If only they could be the coach division for Toyota and Honda.

  • avatar
    Land Ark

    So… they’re building the CC?

    • 0 avatar
      danio3834

      That’s what I was thinking. I don’t see how this can be successful in the U.S. when Audi exists in this space.

      • 0 avatar
        TMA1

        It’s targeted at those who want the Phaeton, but can’t quite afford it. In the meantime, those who hate luxury badges will console themselves with the Genesis.

        • 0 avatar
          ellomdian

          I’m genuinely curious if there are enough people in the world that want something bigger/nicer than a Passat, cheaper than a Phaeton, but who go into anaphylactic shock when they see an Audi logo to justify a new model. Just because you have modules does not mean you have to offer them in every conceivable configuration…

  • avatar
    Acd

    Isn’t competing with BMW and Mercedes what Audi is for?

  • avatar

    What the *hell*?

  • avatar
    John R

    I’ll just leave this here…

    http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300×300/57000062.jpg

    edit: imgur.com/AzDvXAq

  • avatar
    whynot

    So considering this is VW, this is supposedly coming out at the end of the decade, and god forbid they launch too many products in the US at once, who wants to bet VW delays their (hopefully) competitive CUV for this while VW dealers across America cry out in anguish?

  • avatar
    jpolicke

    They need to get the water in Wolfsburg tested; apparently it contains something that causes insanity. I can pick up my .22 rifle and set out “to do battle” with SEAL Team 6; the outcome is preordained and it won’t be pretty.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    Who in the USA cross shops BMW and VW?
    The Audi dealers should be approaching Wolfsburg carrying pitchforks and torches.

    • 0 avatar
      baconator

      Me, actually. After a series of BMW daily drivers I went with a base Passat 1.8 this time around. As my commute lengthened I had to go for better fuel economy and an automatic transmission, and an autotragic 320i doesn’t doesn’t drive well enough to pay nearly twice (no kidding) as much as the Passat. The Passat is quiet, comfortable, and has acceleration and cornering I’d describe as “good enough.” I went to the showroom looking for a Jetta Sportwagen TDI – the lower total cost of ownership and interior space of the Passat changed my mind.

      I also test-drove an A7 TDI and couldn’t get so excited about it that I’d pay the multiple of cost over the Passat.

      No idea who the ideal buyer is for an MQB-platform car that’s bigger than a Passat but cheaper than an A6. Personally I don’t quite see a $45k VW that’s got most of the same guts as a $30k VW.

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    Dat roofline. Yum.

    Shouldn’t VW ready some competitive crossovers for North America rather than another sedan no one will buy?

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Aiming too high, VW. Audi is for Merc and BMW competition. VW is not. You did this with the Phaeton, and all you did was suck out some A8 sales, while everyone else continued to buy what they were gonna buy anyway, a 7 or S.

    Adding more model divisions is not going to improve your sales much. Improve your cars, that will improve your sales. People willing to put up with crap reliability and electrical woes want the badge to let people know it.

    • 0 avatar
      RobertRyan

      They are more interested in their projected 10 million turnover, even in a feeble global economy and making MAN Trucks have a complete rebuild
      Outside of wanting to be No.1 in light vehicles, they want to take the fight up to Mercedes and Volvo in Trucks, who are No 1 and No 2 respectively in Global Commercial Trucks

  • avatar
    LeMansteve

    A cheaper A6 alternative enabled by VW’s new modular manufacturing initiative. A6 decontented with different styling. Instead of going to the BMW dealer, A6 buyers go to the VW dealer next door.

  • avatar
    jrmason

    I would love to do a poll on this forum. How many readers have actually owned a VW model,and a specific list of the problems you had that has led to such negative criticism. I’ve owned and worked on many late model sedans, and while VW has its flaws there’s very few cars I’d rank above the reliability of a diesel powered VW. I’m speaking from real world experience, not a bunch of opinionated keyboard fingering.

    • 0 avatar
      FormerFF

      Go to TrueDelta, that’s about as good of data as you’re going to get. That, plus the Consumer Reports survey results.

      If you could get access to the repairs database that the repair shops and dealerships use, you could make some valid inferences, but that data isn’t available to the public.

    • 0 avatar
      EAF

      I could compile a list for you of items I’ve personally repaired and the list would be EXTENSIVE to say the least, covering all models. The rants and complaints you read about on this site are well deserved IMHO. Admittedly, I’ve never touched a VW diesel to date.

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      Every car I’ve ever owned (mostly beater Fords) has beat my VW Jutta TDI my thousands of dollars prey year in maintenance costs.

      I had the cursed 01M 4-speed automatic gearbox.

      The VW faithful say I should have avoided that particular car, since it was built in Mexico and had an auto. But the fact is that VW did build and sell this car, and so it does reflect on their actual reputation.

      • 0 avatar
        raresleeper

        I find the VW unreliability paradox interesting, as well.

        I had a gasoline model 94 Jetta GL. Base model with 5MT, dripping in 2.slow goodness.

        What a cockroach it was. Had it for years. I couldn’t kill the little sh*t. I tried, too!

        The yard hauled it away. It became too rusty underneath and was leaking fuel AND had a nasty exhaust leak. Bad situation there.

        That bastard was a running car when it was hauled away. Nothing but oil changes.

      • 0 avatar
        jrmason

        Luke42:

        And I’ve spent more money on repairs on the wife’s bling bling Mercury Mountaineer Premier in 2 years than I’ve spent on her commuter Beetle TDI in 12 years so what’s your point? This is the 3rd Ford I’ve owned that all but broke the bank and will be the last. Over engineered and under achieved. Kinda like GM, but GM isn’t over engineered they’re simply waaay under achieved POS’s.

        I get a real kick out of this comment: “thousands of dollars a year in maintenance costs”. What were you driving, a Jetta or a Rolls Royce? This is the kind of garbage I have to laugh at when I read it. There certainly is no shortage of it around here.

    • 0 avatar
      jpolicke

      OK, here goes: ’09 Jetta TDI; 66k turbo failure – $3k, 75k DPF failure – $6k.

      • 0 avatar
        EAF

        $6K! How much is a new DPF filter sans labor? I would think the system is covered under warranty for “x” amount of time, no? Either way I would of traded it in on something none-VAG.

        • 0 avatar
          jpolicke

          Don’t know the price of the part alone, since at the time it was only available from the dealer and they just gave a total price. I didn’t lay out the cash because it made it under the 80k emissions warranty. However the scare was enough for the wife to agree that we could not afford to own an out-of-warranty VW.

      • 0 avatar
        jrmason

        This is the info I’d like to see. Not interested in data or polls,I’m interested in the people right here on this forum so eager to bury an Axe in VWs name to come forward with the year and model they own/owned and the problems they had. Not interested in any opinions, references to links or polls, or cheesy 5th grade comments. For the number of people throwing rocks theres either a lot of disgruntled owners, or a lot of bored individuals with nothing better to do than jump on the band wagon.

        Jpolicke, I’m sure this is no condolence to you,but the problems you listed are more of a result of the epa regs than VW failures. Take a look at the Fords, GMs, and Rams of the same vintage of your car and you will find your problems were very common amongst diesel powered automakers.
        Btw, your prices are just a tad out of line.

        • 0 avatar

          My Jetta SportWagen TDI is five months old and about to cross 10K miles. I hope it lasts a very long time.

          As for my other Volkswagen (a 1997 Jetta GLX VR6), it has had about $3500 worth of work sunk into it over the last twelve months. First, the A/C compressor gradually quit working and then exploded, throwing shrapnel into the radiator and destroying it. Then all four window regulators went out. Recently, the power-steering pump failed and we had to chase gremlins in the electrical harness because the cruise control, instrument panel and windshield wipers also stopped working properly at that time. Even though it only has 96,000 miles, it was *not* maintained or used properly by the previous owner. She was a college professor that bought it new and only drove it the three miles to and campus each day, which is the kind of driving you absolutely shouldn’t do to a VR6.

        • 0 avatar
          suckbangblow

          Here you go:
          2003 vw passat 2.8 V6
          Tie rods,PCV valve,Two sets of axles,Valve cover gaskets,Camshaft seals at back of heads,Seleniod for evap system, Rain gutters below winshield caused leak into car,Sunroof leaked,Waterpump,Heatercore leaked, burned almost a quart and a half of oil between oil changes. At the time i sold it the thermostat housing had a small leak and it needed ball joints. The car haf 94000 miles on it. I know i have missed some things but I have tried to forget about that pos.

          • 0 avatar
            jrmason

            “How does one properly maintain their electrical harness?”

            He was referring to the mechanical parts obviously. Run a car into the ground and you’ll pay the price no matter what the make. I’m not sure when these repairs took place, but most of what was listed can be expected on a 17 year old car.
            As for the electric harness, we had to have the entire harness relating to the AWD system on our POS 08 Mountaineer Premier with only 50k miles. It was still under the factory extended warranty, but wiring harnesses are not covered. That particular trip to the blue oval dealer cost $2200 out of pocket, wasn’t the first and wasn’t the last.

          • 0 avatar
            jrmason

            The gassers of that era seemed problematic from what I’ve seen, but know nothing about them being I’ve only owned diesel. VW is predominantly diesel powered everywhere in the world BUT here. The only issues ever associated with any diesel engine in the states were directly related to US epa regs and fuel specs and were/are not any different than any other manufacturer trying to meet the same tier. Even those failures were/are in the 1%, and are rock solid engines.

        • 0 avatar
          jpolicke

          JRMason, The prices I quoted came from the work orders.

    • 0 avatar
      LeeK

      83 Rabbit GTI – alternator quit at the year 6 mark, odometer stopped working at exactly 56,299 miles. Ten years of ownership, two problems. 07 GTI – flawless in two years of ownership. 10 GTI – one problem in five years of ownership, a door lock switch replaced under warranty. 12 Touareg — flawless in three years of ownership.

  • avatar
    Whatnext

    2011 Jetta TDI highline with 80,000 km. My driver’s side seat heater broke and was repaired without question under warranty. Oh the humanity!

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