California ZEV Democratization Initiative Passes State Assembly

I was thinking the same thing - how will a tax credit on a $90,000 car help low and middle income families afford on? I have a better idea California: Why not make your state more attractive to business, create some better jobs and then more people can afford EVs.

So are the moral offenders here that they're trying to "cap out" Obama's "millionaires and billionaires" or your typical retired California public employee with a 100 grand / yr pension and another 50k or so from his double dip job and soc sec?.

@indi500fan After discounts and rebates, a new Leaf is in the $15-18K range. Considering that electricity is a lot cheaper than gas for most, it makes the Leaf a lot cheaper to commute in vs. something like a Sentra. The facts may not fit your political motivations, but that doesn't make them untrue.

Vogo, It's not the government's job to give subsidies so people can buy cars. There are many things that aren't the government's job that it does, but adding to the list doesn't make it the right thing to do simply because it makes someone feel good.

It's the weather. Compared to most of the country, people will put up with all manners of official sodomizing just to be able to wear shorts and tshirt year around, while stuck in traffic on the way to the beach. Along with New York and DC, CA has also become the destination for most of the loot the Fed obtains by debasing the rest of the country, so life on the beach is made a bit more comfortable by having others support us.

@stuki The best thing about CA, NY and DC is their role as missile sponges in the event of nuclear war. With Putin, I still think about this.

@petezeiss This logic only applies in a limited nuclear exchange, which in and of itself will devastate the Northern Hemisphere. A fully committed exchange signals a possible ELE. This map explains the fallout patterns in a committed exchange. Shall we play a game? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fallout_map_USA_%28FEMA%29.jpg

@28-Cars-Later piffle... one way to find out. Though I *would* prefer the experiment involved only China and India.

@28-Cars-Later Best not to open Pandora's Box, IMO. Although to your preference, the Ebola "experiment" may eventually reach the Indian subcontinent and South East Asia. Thus far it shows no sign of stopping: http://www.geert.io/exponential-growth-of-ebola.html

@28-Cars-Later Nah, ebola's no good. Enough would get here through our deliberately sieve-like CBP and ICE that it'd be our problem, too. Nukes are still the best way to Think Locally, Act Distantly.

@28-Cars-Later Unfortunately, it will also become our problem its just a question of how severe. Nuclear weapons cause too much damage to environment to be used effectively for population control. Curious timing the whole we're just going to open the southern border and come what may, don't-cha think?

@28-Cars-Later I just had a big, long impassioned response containing some almost Germanic convoluted sentences (aber sehr klar!) go down the memory hole. Maybe it'll resurface. If not, the gist was "yeah".

@28-Cars-Later Lol.

@28-Cars-Later Wow Your geert.io link got me reading up more on ebola which made me ponder the hundreds of thousands of Chinese currently living in Africa. When the disease hits the huge city slums and global news has room for little else, many of those Chinese will attempt to flee back home. The lowliest of them will be returning to sanitary conditions little improved over African. And one of the drivers of Chinese emigration has been the comparative abundance of African women. And the virus can be resident for 3 weeks after infection before symptoms emerge. Wow

Duaney, Maybe the businesses fleeing CA are just looking for employees with better grammar? The myth about the infrastructure being inadequate is baloney. EVs recharge at night, when power demand is low. If you want to complain about government, feel free, but get yourself some facts.

@VoGo Find out for yourself. Just Google, "Companies leaving California". 200 major companies with thousands of employee's left in the last four years. California overtax's and overspends. New powerplants have been forbidden in California, the electric supply is dangerously low. My grammar might be lousy, but I can balance my checkbook, and have the common sense that California's legislators lack. Can you imagine the stupidity of giving illegals drivers license's? Only in California

@Duaney Dude, The apostrophe shows possession, not plural. It really is that simple. "Can you imagine the stupidity of giving illegals driving licenses?" I don't know this issue specifically. What I do know is that if you deny people the right to apply for a driver's license, they still drive, only they do it unlicensed and uninsured. So if I were a legislator given the choice between denying people licenses without cause and allowing them licenses, in which case they would be insured, then it's an easy choice. As far as your concern that California is overtaxing and overspending, you can always move to Texas or New Hampshire.

@VoGo Let's see, so you're an illegal living in California. Instead of being deported back to your own country, the local government welcomes you and issues you a official California driving license. Now, encouraged to stay, you enroll your kids in the schools, if you need medical care, you freely go to any hospital. You use any of the resources provided by California for free, but because you have no Social Security number, you pay no tax, basically you're mooching off of all the legitimate tax payers, in reality, it's the same as stealing. Endorsed by the California legislature. Like I said, lunatics running the asylum.

@VoGo I think it's great we're giving DLs to illegal immigrants. Because wages are way too high for the working class, and with more immigrants we can make sure people don't get too uppity about living in poverty while working three part-time jobs. That's super. It's also wonderful that we'll be using the easily-forged marticular consular card as the basic identity document to issue the new drivers licenses. Since the late 90s, and especially after 9/11, it's become nearly impossible to get a good fake identity that will pass a traffic stop or other police check. But now, all I have to do is print a marticular consular card with my picture on it and head down to the DMV. Thank God, because with three DUIs and outstanding warrants in two states there was no way I could legally drive. Thank you California legislature! Thank you Governor Brown!

@VoGo Sigh. So much hate.

That reminds me of a Calvin and Hobbes comic where Calvin's father, annoyed at the amount of consumerist junk mail promotions he's been getting, comes to the conclusion (with a little help from Calvin's mom) that without people buying all the things they think they need, the economy would collapse and "we'd have total anarchy". "So pitching all this junk would make me some kind of terrorist, huh?" "Yep. It's our patriotic duty to buy distractions from the simple life."

They already do that by charging 3X the nation rate for electricity. Sort of like your boss telling you you're getting a pay cut to encourage conservation. This state constantly urinates on you and tells you it's raining.