Housekeeping: The Untimely Death Of The TTAC Staff Robot

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@28-Cars-Later I have a Cadillac question for you, 28.

@Corey Lewis Cadillac of Questions, or a Question about Cadillacs? Sounds like you should put it in the forum before you get accused of hijacking this thread.

@Corey Lewis Ugh, I don't even use the forum, on account of not liking forums. I'll just hold my question until a Cadillac article comes up.

I actually thought Zombie McQuestionbot was, well, another "bot." As for the rubber mallet, I got a lovely wall-mounted case with a dark cherry stained frame and brass tag for it. The mallet is now on display in Jack's guitar room, and visiting hours are from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. seven days a week with a $5 admission; kids 12 and under get in free with paying adult.

@Cameron, and Wednesday is "Ladies Night"? Those with XX chromosomes admitted free, no drink minimum?

@PrincipalDan You bet! ;)

@Corey Lewis Sorry Corey they keep giving me work to do and asking me to like, do it ("this deal is getting worse all the time"). What was your question?

@Corey Lewis Ok here goes. Often I see advertised a "DeVille Touring Sedan" on Ebay and such, in the 88-93 small, square version. Is this real? I don't see any distinguishing markings on them, though it seems like I recall there might have been a DeVille Touring where the logo was inside the grille rather than on the hood.

@Corey Lewis Yes, there was a Touring Sedan trim packaged offered on Deville, Seville, and Eldorado through at least MY91 but I am unsure when it was originally offered (88 or 89 if I had to guess). IIRC it was meant to apply a "european" look to stout and chromed up 'merican Cadillacs. Something along the lines of standard alloys, little to no chrome, special emblems on the C pillars, no hood ornament but emblem in grille, and instead of the conventional trunk lock/wreath, they had special plastic "touring sedan" trunk emblems. I've seen the Eldo and Seville in person (even have Eldo TC emblems) but never the Deville. The Seville I believe had a different interior as well, something odd like standard bucket seats in a 2+2 seating config, and standard digital dash. Personally I find the Deville quite handsome in pictures and would prefer it over Seville/Eldo of the period. Ok here we go: https://www.google.com/search?q=deville+touring+sedan&client=firefox-a&hs=Sc&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&imgil=atrgr05aw98G8M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcTPbcGZfHBSC-LNMo9Fm4lgRGFYjRTz_wjpWxDdZdJ63E4Rwcny%253B467%253B358%253BvQAMElUhSwCuMM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.imcdb.org%25252Fvehicle_213397-Cadillac-Sedan-DeVille-1991.html&source=iu&usg=__Cf4zxOfvD1cyAyb9h-BV2XN210M%3D&sa=X&ei=CYb9Usf8IaHhygHL14GICg&ved=0CE0Q9QEwBQ&biw=1024&bih=652#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=atrgr05aw98G8M%253A%3BvQAMElUhSwCuMM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.imcdb.org%252Fi213397.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.imcdb.org%252Fvehicle_213397-Cadillac-Sedan-DeVille-1991.html%3B467%3B358 The only things which stand out are the grille and wheels, which are def not the standard 15in wheels of MY91. This one has some chrome but I don't see any around the mirrors or wheelwells which I believe was standard at the time. Heres an ebay link to the TS trunk emblem, The thing that makes this different is its one plastic piece and removes so you can have access to the lock like the standard one does, but the standard one is just a shield and is chromed out. The 94 Deville got a new trunk emblem similar to this except it just has a hole cut in the top as it was mounted on top of the lock and does not open. http://www.ebay.com/itm/92-93-Cadillac-Deville-Touring-Sedan-Trunk-Lock-Cover-Enamel-Emblem-Assy-/151143158501?ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/151143158501_W0QQfviZ1

@Corey Lewis Thanks for the info. Many of these labeled "Touring" are actually not, then. Very few have the emblem in the grille and the special wheels. If you had a Seville Touring, wasn't that then an STS by this time? The one with six little square exhaust outlets? I have seen a 2+2 STS I believe, with a big wood plank between the seats. Also had extra wood on the doors, and leather panels surrounding it. Really tons of wood on those. Found a pic. http://autosofinterest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1988-Cadillac-STS-brochure-2-3-4.jpg

@Corey Lewis You're quite welcome Corey. The rear decklid emblem of the one I saw years back said "STS" but it was probably still called "Seville" by Cadillac. I don't recall if they were using "ETC" on the Eldo equivalent, that may have just been missing a rear emblem. Thx for the pic it looks much older than it is inside. Ok it appears to just have been missing it on Eldo. I'm not a huge fan of the Cadillac E-bodies, but I'd drive this one all day long. http://startinggrid.org/2013/05/12/street-parked-eldorado-touring-coupe/

@Corey Lewis That one's lookin clean with those vogue tires. Probably wouldn't work as well in other colors. It would be cool to find one in good shape from some old lady. Pearl white please. And again with the 6-outlet exhausts! Mmm sporty.

@Corey Lewis What's with the old Cadillac chat? I have a couple of old Sevilles

@Corey I too very much enjoy these but I'm wary of the 20yo+ "old lady" car after my experience with the '90 Town Car I had. I think I would prefer a car in good condition which has been driven semi-regularly (regardless of mileage) and has been kept up on (such as my Volvo). I'm also leery of some of the non-drivetrain essential components from GM of the period, such as brake lines, fuel lines, fuel pumps, etc. I think to do it well, you have to know what you're getting yourself into and be prepared to spend to replace aged out components and materials. On the plus side stuff like this does not go for very much so if you can budget 5-7K you can find a nice example and make it close to new again. @Lie2Me That's right you've been listening to Cadillac chat on T-T-A-C 107.9 FM. Caller 10, which years of Seville do you have to chat about?

@Corey Lewis I'm not in any position to do it currently, since I still owe on my M, and I should really replace the driveway in the spring, and after that a new roof comes a' callin. It would also have to sit outside, and get all ruined by weather.

@Corey Lewis I have that issue now with my cars. This fall I'm going to seriously look into storage for at least the Volvo if not the Pontiac too. Fortunately the Volvo was built to handle Swedish winters so its held up well. Fortunately I don't see demand being high on decent examples that are left of late 80s C-body and E-body Cadillacs. Plan for the future and make room in your life for one, an Eldo would complement your M nicely. I lust after the rare MY92 featuring a whole new E-body car with the workable 4.9. Pretty much everything from MY93-98 is in the junkyard save the newer N*s people keep going or save.

@Corey Lewis I could just build another garage, I have plenty of room! Less grass to mow then, ha. Wasn't the 92 with the 4.9 only on lower trim levels, Concours? I know the 4.9 models had the "straight across" covered rear wheel, for a more formal appearance.

@Corey Lewis I do envy you. Northstar was supposed to be ready for MY92 but it was a year late, so all MY92 Cadillacs including the new 90s looking E-body Seville and Eldorado were equipped with 4.9. When Northstar debuted for MY93 in 1992, Deville was still 4.9/C-body and didn't offer it but the touring models of Eldo/Seville came with the L37 Northstar. AFAIK base Seville and Eldo I believe were still 4.9 until MY94 when Northstar became standard. The 4.9 continued in K-body Deville through MY95 except in the Concours models with got the LD8 Northstar until MY96 when it was switched to L37 and all other Devilles got LD8. On a side note one of my when I hit the Powerball fantasies is to do 3800 conversions on early Northstar survivors and possibly a 4100 Coupe De Ville (I had an 85 and loved it minus the sh*tty engine).

@28 Gen1 '79 pristine with 29K on it. Gen2 '83 that I got for near nothing just for fun, butt-ugly bustle-back

@Corey Lewis Nice Lie2Me, esp on the gen 1. I knew a man once who had an '84 Seville Elegante which he acquired for nearly nothing as well and loved it. He claimed to get 20K of trouble free miles out of it and planned to do whatever he could to keep it going past the 105ish it had when I this conversation took place.

@Corey Lewis Although I love the 1st gen Seville the 2nd gen is a far superior automobile in every way but looks. My dad had a '92 DeVille with the 4900 engine, that car would fly. Super torquey on the low end

@Corey Lewis I wasn't a huge fan of the bustleback but I agree it was much more refined. There is a website link I have somewhere of a gentlemen who is really into the 79-85 Eldos and had pics/instructions on how to do an Olds 403 swap on the 4100. If your Seville is in good shape and the 4100 starts acting up as we know it will, it can still in theory be salvaged. One of the advantages of gen 1 Seville is its Nova roots, I have seen pictures and heard of Sevilles with engine swaps, beefier suspension, and other aftermarket mods. Incidentally here's a tidbit, gen 1 Seville was manufactured in Iran in prior to the Islamic revolution (to 1987?). "The Seville was manufactured in Iran under the brand name of "Cadillac Iran" from 1978 to 1987 by Pars Khodro, which was known as "Iran General Motors" before the Islamic Revolution. A total of 2,653 Cadillacs were made in Iran during this period. This made Iran the only country assembling Cadillacs outside the U.S. until 1997 when Cadillac Catera was based on Opel Omega and built in Germany for U.S. market. Cadillac BLS, built in Sweden for European market, but never available in U.S. market, was introduced in 2006. Even though Cadillac Allante had its Italian origin, its final assembly was done in the U.S." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Seville

@Corey Lewis So overall: 4.1 awful 4.9 good 5.0 good 5.7 lame, reliable? LT1 fine -optispark prob 4.6* no

@Corey Lewis 368, aka V4-6-8: I've heard it can be made to work. 4.1: Kill it with fire 5.0 (Olds 307): I don't know enough about it to rank it good or not. 4.5/4.9: good, I have seen both motors do 200K 5.7: pretty good simply SBC L98 or LT1 4.6: I avoid.

@Corey Lewis You do know your Cadillacs. I didn't even know about Cadillac Iran. 1st Gen was a heavily modified X-body platform (Nova) but shared few components, certainly not a rebadge. The 350 V8 was Oldsmobile, but the Seville was fuel- injected My father had a V4-6-8 Fleetwood, had the engine replaced at 6 mos. old

@Corey Lewis Thx Lie2Me, I've dealt with many of them over the years and I appreciate the little touches of what Cadillac "was", plush interior and ride with seating for six, ostentatious chrome and ornaments, embroidered leather emblems and model names, turn signals on the hood, standard V8 with lots of power. That's a shame about your father's Fleetwood. I've never owned a 368 but evidently at some point it was made workable by removing the computer and throttle body and replacing it with a 4bbl carb. Today if you could find one I'm sure there is a EFI kit to convert the 368 to working TBI, I've heard of it being done on 425 Devilles. I remember in 2006 there were two men who both had to be their mid to late fifties bidding on a creampuff MY80 Fleetwood tan/brown roof with 30K as TMU at Butler AA (now Manheim Pgh) and I think it went for $2600. I didn't know either gentleman but I did ask the man who won what he was going to do with it. His replay was "I'm gonna fix it and enjoy it", since the car ran through the block find I assume he was referring to replacing the computer if it had already not been done. Speaking of FI, does your Seville still use the factory Olds stuff or did you swap it out?