BMW And Toyota Collaborate On More Than Just Hydrogen

Bertel Schmitt
by Bertel Schmitt

From the press conference:

Toyota and BMW to collaborate on

– Joint sports car (joint technology, separate design)


– Lightweight technology (carbon fiber, also for sports car)


– Lithium air battery (air, not ion )


– Fuel cell

Electric power train DROPPED from the list.

More to come …

Bertel Schmitt
Bertel Schmitt

Bertel Schmitt comes back to journalism after taking a 35 year break in advertising and marketing. He ran and owned advertising agencies in Duesseldorf, Germany, and New York City. Volkswagen A.G. was Bertel's most important corporate account. Schmitt's advertising and marketing career touched many corners of the industry with a special focus on automotive products and services. Since 2004, he lives in Japan and China with his wife <a href="http://www.tomokoandbertel.com"> Tomoko </a>. Bertel Schmitt is a founding board member of the <a href="http://www.offshoresuperseries.com"> Offshore Super Series </a>, an American offshore powerboat racing organization. He is co-owner of the racing team Typhoon.

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  • Redav Redav on Jan 24, 2013

    Toyota seems to be pressing the sports cars lately. It is probably a strategy to pollinate lessons learned onto the rest of their line up, because I don't see the Toyota brand directly benefiting from multiple sports cars. Unless we find a raw hydrogen source (e.g., new gas wells with high volume fraction H2), fuel cells are a waste in cars. Even with all their current limitations, batteries are superior, and I don't expect improvements in fuel cell tech to outpace improvements in batteries enough to change that.

    • Luke42 Luke42 on Jan 24, 2013

      Hydrogen is just an alternative battery chemistry, and needs to be evaluated as such, because the energy to move both cars is going to come from the same place. Then there's availability. Hydrogen cars have been a pipe dream that's just a few years away since I was a kid in the 1980s. But I can go down to my local Nissan dealer and buy an EV with a lithium-ion battery. I test drove it and liked it a lot, especially for its NVH and low-end torque (as far as happy little commuter cars go). Huge astoundingly significant point to lithium-ion for actually existing on the retail market. I'm guessing that either Nissan or Tesla will make my next ride. Our Sienna and our Prius are both keepers and they're likely to last until I can afford a Tesla.

  • Luke42 Luke42 on Jan 24, 2013

    How about partnering with Toyota on reliability? A BMW with Toyota-class reliability would at least mean that I wouldn't give up something that I value by look at a German cars. OTOH, the business school cases I've read suggest that Toyota's work-culture has as much to do with it as their engineering and their manufacturing. The company that needs to do this even more is Volkswagen. They're the people's car, and the people aren't trying to show off how rich they are (were) by owning a car that is expensive to maintain.

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    • Luke42 Luke42 on Jan 25, 2013

      @Synchromesh I'm fine with beige, just so long as it comes with well engineered practicality. Plus, Toyota sells so many cars that whatever they do will be the new beige.

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