Fiat And PSA Taken Down A Notch By Moody's, Their Banks Are A Ticking Bomb

Bertel Schmitt
by Bertel Schmitt

Carmakers do get hurt when someone calls their cars junk. When Moody’s calls your credit rating junk, then this hurts a lot: It makes financing more expensive, or possibly impossible. Moody’s lowered the credit rating of Fiat and PSA Citroen Peugeot to Ba3 with negative outlook. Translation: This is serious junk, and it might get worse.

In a research note, Citibank analyst Pilip Watkins told investors that “the reasons for the downgrades aren’t likely to be a particular surprise.” The weak European demand and the inability of Fiat and PSA to compensate it with sales abroad are common knowledge. Nevertheless, says Watkins, “such low credit ratings for entities that are heavily reliant on debt market access are a real problem in our view and a disadvantage relative to peers.”

“The bigger threat, in our view, is what might happen to the rating of its Financial Services business Banque PSA that finances c.30% of group auto sales,” writes Citibank. Carmakers have access to cheap money through their captive banking arms. If these banks get downgraded as well, then there are huge problems. “Fiat has already moved its main European FS operations into a joint venture with Credit Agricole under the name of FGA Capital which enjoys a 3-notch rating differential to Fiat,” says the research note. PSA is more exposed. Says the note:

“Moody’s has traditionally retained a 2-notch differential between the ratings of Banque PSA and PSA. If it were to retain this (something that should become clearer over the next few days) then Banque PSA would likely lose its investment grade rating. That would severely compromise its business model, in our view, as we believe it would mean loss of access to short-term money markets which we don’t think could be fully substituted in ABS. It would also likely suggest higher funding costs for unsecured debt further disadvantaging it to peers. Of Banque PSA’s debt at end-H112 of c. €22bn, €3.8bn relates to short-term money market funding. Enabling a wider notching differential between PSA and its FS division we imagine would be difficult to achieve though without giving up some ownership of the FS business (the core of PSA’s value in our view). Some form of state support would also seem problematic too given potential objections from peers and the EU.”

Translation of the last sentence: Should Fiat or PSA get into worse trouble than now, they won’t be bailed out as easily as GM or Chrysler. EU rules forbid such bailouts, and the “peers” in Germany would cry murder should the rules be bent. Fiat has a lot of cash sitting in Chrysler, but can’t access it.

Bertel Schmitt
Bertel Schmitt

Bertel Schmitt comes back to journalism after taking a 35 year break in advertising and marketing. He ran and owned advertising agencies in Duesseldorf, Germany, and New York City. Volkswagen A.G. was Bertel's most important corporate account. Schmitt's advertising and marketing career touched many corners of the industry with a special focus on automotive products and services. Since 2004, he lives in Japan and China with his wife <a href="http://www.tomokoandbertel.com"> Tomoko </a>. Bertel Schmitt is a founding board member of the <a href="http://www.offshoresuperseries.com"> Offshore Super Series </a>, an American offshore powerboat racing organization. He is co-owner of the racing team Typhoon.

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  • Jimboy Jimboy on Oct 10, 2012

    And let's not forget that Moody's and other similar agencies are wrong as often as they are right. It seems to me that many of these people predicted the 'death' of Chrysler several times, and yet, here it is today, making good profits.

    • Morea Morea on Oct 10, 2012

      Chrysler did die (went bankrupt), was saved by the US government, and restarted with the same name.

  • Bela Barenyi Bela Barenyi on Oct 10, 2012

    @NMGOM: I didn't want to offend anyone, but I'm fed up with a lot of people who take every stupid judgement of the three big rating agencies as gospel/at face value instead taking it with a pinch of salt. Rating agencies are subject to conflict of interests, just stupidly extrapolate from recent/past developments and assume that the future will be like the recent past, base everything on "expectations" (which is very subjective) and completly ignore the fact that their judgements fuel "self-fulfilling prophecies" (you downgrade a company, the company in question has to pay higher interest rates, the company's cost of capital increases, higher cost of capital affects the profit, the profit decreases or in in the worst case leads to a (bigger) loss and this again affects everybody's expectations regarding the future prospects (read: profits/losses) of the company in question). (Before someone doubts my remarks: I hold a Master's Degree in Economic Science (majored in Accounting and Audit, Banking and Finance, Money and International Finance) and a Master's Degree in Fiscal Affairs (finished both degrees at universities in Germany). @th009: Nobody said that Chrysler and Fiat are "debt-free", but having debts or not is not the most important point. The most important question is whether a company is able finance the ongoing operations or to put it differently: whether the a company's business generates enough positive cash-flow to finance the company's ongoing operations. And preserving cash is nothing more than reducing "cash outflows". As long as Fiat and Chrysler can service their debts everything is fine and so far nobody questions Fiat's or Chrysler's ability to service their debts.

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    • NMGOM NMGOM on Oct 10, 2012

      Thanks again, Bela.... I appreciate your taking the time to look into this. And I gather from your initial comments above that you were "loaded for bear" on this topic! (^_^)... You hit the key Issue: self-fulfilling prophesy from a credit downgrade. I'd sure hate to see Chrysler get hurt right now that they're bouncing back so vigorously, especially with the Dart, SRT Viper, 300, and new Ram 1500. ----------

  • EBFlex Honda all day long. Why? It's a Honda.
  • Lou_BC My ex had issues with the turbo CRV not warming up in the winter.I'd lean to the normally aspirated RAV 4. In some cases asking people to chose is like asking a Muslim and Christian to pick their favourite religion.
  • 3-On-The-Tree Agree turbo diesels are probably a different setup lower compression heat etc. I never towed with my rig and it was all 40 miles round trip to work with dealer synthetic oil 5,000mi changes. Don’t know the cause but it soured my opinion on turbo’s plus the added potential expense.
  • DesertNative More 'Look at me! Look at me!' from Elon Musk. It's time to recognize that there's nothing to see here, folks and that this is just about pumping up the stock price. When there's a real product on the ground and available, then there will be something to which we can pay attention. Until then, ignore him.
  • Bkojote Here's something you're bound to notice during ownership that won't come up in most reviews or test drives-Honda's Cruise Control system is terrible. Complete trash. While it has the ability to regulate speed if there's a car in front of you, if you're coasting down a long hill with nobody in front of you the car will keep gaining speed forcing you to hit the brakes (and disable cruise). It won't even use the CVT to engine brake, something every other manufacturer does. Toyota's system will downshift and maintain the set speed. The calibration on the ACC system Honda uses is also awful and clearly had minimum engineering effort.Here's another- those grille shutters get stuck the minute temperature drops below freezing meaning your engine goes into reduced power mode until you turn it off. The Rav4 may have them but I have yet to see this problem.
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