New or Used: Condition is King!

Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang
by Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang

David writes:

Hi Steve and Sajeev,

I’m in high school and I need a car. Before anyone makes assumptions, I actually have a need for owning a vehicle. There is no public transportation where I live, my school doesn’t have buses, and it’d be a long walk especially during the lengthy winter (which sort of rules out riding a bike too). My budget is about $1000 to 2000.I have been searching craigslist, eBay, and other car listings for a few months and now I’m pretty confused. Most of the cars I’ve found either have high mileage, over 150,000, seemingly major problems or are ridiculously overpriced. So far the SN95 Mustang V6, MKIII Jetta/GTi VR6 or I4, SAAB 900 non-turbo 2.3L, and other older Audi and Volvo products seem attractive to me. It has to have a manual transmission, achieve decent fuel economy and be at least relatively fun to drive. Fairly easy maintenance would be nice since I’m able to do some of the maintenance myself.

This brings me to another question, how many miles are acceptable and if the AC doesn’t work, which I’m fine with, how would that effect the value? I know people who have and have had very reliable Swedish, VW, Chrysler, and Ford manufactured products. Many of them took the cars well over 200,000 miles with very few problems. Though wiring and computer problems seem to be a downside of many European cars. I’m still worried about buying a used high mileage vehicle though.

At this point I don’t care too much about appearance since I like classics much better than anything made relatively recently. Are there any other cars I’ve overlooked? I’m not sure I’d buy a Honda since we’ve had several bad experiences with Civics and the local dealership. Toyotas are so irritatingly sedate and uncomfortable. I’m kind of suspicious of 90’s GM products, they seem to be hits or misses, the same with Nissans. I’m open to other makes like Chrysler (manual transmissions appear to be rare), Subaru and Mitsubishi although I can’t say I know too much about the last too.

Steve Answers:

Believe it or not, your criteria does open a lot more doors for you than the average car buyer. Most folks looking for a cheap car can’t…

1) Perform basic maintenance


2) Operate a stick shift


3) Live without A/C.

So where should you start? The owner. The prior owner(s) have a far greater impact on the quality and longevity of a vehicle than the brand. Find what interests you and then follow the used car buying guide we publish here 1 2 3 4.

I will spare you the pointless lectures of “You don’t need a car because…:”. At this point in life you’re old enough to be smart, and young enough to be stupid. Just like the rest of us.

Good luck!

Sajeev Answers:

Thanks for writing, and for stopping the “you don’t need a car” haters in their tracks. Here are two comments:

1) You are way too picky for what type of vehicle fits a $1000-2000 budget. It’s nice to want things, but the reality is you can have a better car later. The concern of owning a money vacuum needs to be your top priority.


2) Every car at this price point is a needy machine. It doesn’t matter if it’s a transmission-eating Chrysler or a cherry Camry. That said, all of the vehicles you chose are particularly terrible when you consider the total cost of ownership.

The European cars can easily need double or triple their purchase in repairs, especially if you can’t fix the problem yourself. The Mustang, while I love anything remotely Fox-y, is gonna eat you alive in insurance costs. Stop looking for a home run, look for a double. I was lucky, as I had a cool old car when I turned 16 (a 1965 Ford Galaxie LTD hartop, black on black) as a family inheritance…but if I didn’t, I’d looking for the cleanest, easiest to insure vehicle on the market with as much service history as you can find. At this age, condition is King.

One more time: Condition is King!

Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang
Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang

More by Sajeev Mehta and Steve Lang

Comments
Join the conversation
2 of 73 comments
  • Rocketrodeo Rocketrodeo on Mar 22, 2012

    Another vote for a Ranger. S10s are in the same league only in features and performance; they are significantly less reliable. I've had twenty-something cars now, spanning most of the possibilities available at the time: American, German, British, and Japanese. A few interesting ones, like an Austin-Healy Bugeye Sprite, a 67 Mustang GT fastback, a BMW 2002tii, and a brand-new 87 Acura Integra. Of the twenty-something, only three of them have had automatic transmissions. After my first ride on a fast motorcycle, performance cars suddenly ceased to make any sense to me whatsoever. Four-wheeled vehicles are strictly for utility now in my book. So I drive a Ranger. It has been, hands down, the most reliable and easy-to-work-on vehicle I have ever owned. I don't quite fit in the standard cab and I don't need an F150, and the best supercab model I could find had the Vulcan (3.0 vs. 4.0 or "Cologne" engine) and a 5-speed. The price was so right that eight years and 60,000 miles later, it has lost only about a thousand dollars in retail value and that's held steady for the last six. The Vulcan is Ford's analogue to the 3800; it's stupid reliable and less thirsty than you would expect. It has given me less trouble than either of the Toyota pickups that preceded it, and it does trucklike things considerably better too. A set of Bilstein shocks and a Hurst shifter make a big difference from the stock units. Two other advantages you will find for a supercab manual Ranger: you can get four bodies in it, but two of them won't be happy for more than a few minutes. That will cut down on the number of friends pestering you to drive them en masse, which is unfortunately one of the biggest risk factors for crashes in your demographic. It will also cut down on the number of friends who want to borrow your truck, because the number of folks your age who can drive a stick is absolutely minimal. This is becoming an anti-theft feature as well. If you go the Grandma/Grandpa car route, the Vulcan does duty in the Taurus as the base engine. These are 300,000 mile engines, though the ancillary components will probably need to be changed before that, and the crank angle sensor (goes where the distributor used to) is prone to failure after 100K miles. Tauri are cheap to buy and cheap to maintain. My girlfriend inherited a '93 Bonneville with the 3800 engine. Ultra low miles, 18,000 in its first ten years. We ran it up to almost 60K and happily sold it as a still-low-miles car. Stuff broke regularly, though nothing that would put you off the road for more than a couple hours. But it never impressed us with a sense of reliability. It was a good engine and transmission wrapped in a thoroughly mediocre shell. But the same can probably be said for anything in this class.

  • EVdrive EVdrive on Mar 22, 2012

    I totally agree that condition is King. Though everyone needs a starting point and when it comes to price there are certain features that tend to be much cheaper in the maintenance category. My own experience with buying an inexpensive ride that was both reliable, fun to drive, and practical led me to forgo the sex appeal factor. I ended up with a 1999 Nissan Altima 5spd. They have terrific engines that both produce enough power to not be boring and mileage to be thrifty (avg 27mpg with a heavy foot). Using a timing chain means that they can be very long lived 300k plus miles are easily achieved if oil changes are regular. The shifter does have a very long truck-like throw, but it's still fun and there are short shifter kits available. Access to the engine is very good and all the parts are easily available. The interior holds up surprisingly well even if they aren't exactly pretty. I only sold mine on a crazy whim to go after something sexier (a BMW convertible). I look back now and see that was a mistake, but one that I learned a lot from. BMW used some pretty weak plastic back in the 90's. It sounds like you're really just looking for a set of working reliable wheels. Good luck with your search!

  • ToolGuy Why would they change the grille?
  • Oberkanone Nissan proved it can skillfully put new frosting on an old cake with Frontier and Z. Yet, Nissan dealers are so broken they are not good at selling the Frontier. Z production is so minimal I've yet to see one. Could Nissan boost sales? Sure. I've heard Nissan plans to regain share at the low end of the market. Kicks, Versa and lower priced trims of their mainstream SUV's. I just don't see dealerships being motivated to support this effort. Nissan is just about as exciting and compelling as a CVT.
  • ToolGuy Anyone who knows, is this the (preliminary) work of the Ford Skunk Works?
  • Kwik_Shift_Pro4X I will drive my Frontier into the ground, but for a daily, I'd go with a perfectly fine Versa SR or Mazda3.
  • Zerofoo The green arguments for EVs here are interesting...lithium, cobalt and nickel mines are some of the most polluting things on this planet - even more so when they are operated in 3rd world countries.
Next