By on February 2, 2012

First of all, I thought I had already been to the launch party. Wrong. I thought I had driven the thing. Wrong. I learned today this was a pre-announcement-pre-party, and the cars I had seen were “production prototypes.” I see. Then, this splendiferous event with a rock band, canapés and apple juice must surely be the launch festa, I thought. (The dear reader knows by now that the average Toyota launch event in Japan entails a card table, two speakers, PowerPoint and a bottle of water.) Wrong again. It’s kind of a pre-announcement. The car itself will come in — we’ll talk about that when we talk timing.

However, I was told that today, that now we have real specs and prices, and the cars (which looked deceptively like the production prototypes) are the ones that will be sold. In Japan. As for America –– we’ll get to that. Here are the vital stats of the hachi-roku JDM spec:

Trim levels: RC, G, GT, GT “Limited.”
Weight: From 1,180kg (2,601 lbs) for the RC version to 1,250kg (2,756 lbs)
Engine: DOHC horizontally opposed 4-cylinder direct injection
Output: 147kW (200hp) / 7,000 rpm
Torque: 205nm / 6,400 – 6,600 rpm
Wheelbase: 2,570mm

And to answer a burning and often asked question: Yes, a tape deck, even a CD radio with USB are available. As options.

Now, the prices. Prices range from 1,990,000 yen for the RC version to 3,050,000 yen for the “the works” GT Limited version. The RC version is a barest minimum stripped spec, meant for environmentally responsible racing: This way, you don’t have to toss stuff you don’t need on the track. But don`t fall in love with the specs unless you are in Japan.

“The U.S. model will be a Scion,” hachi-roku Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada tells me later in a tete-a-tete. “Scion’s concept is one trim level. That should be comparable to our GT trim.”

In Japan, the GT trim costs 2,790,000 yen for the stick shift, and 2,870,000 yen for the automatic. That would be a whopping $36,677 if converted by Google. For the stick.

Toyota spokesfolk and later Tada warned repeatedly against coquettish currency conversions, as they made the rounds on fan sites. The Japanese prices includes taxes, and in any case, prices in other countries will be what the market requires, not what Google says. The U.S. price remains a secret. I would guess it’s below $30K, but no way is it below $20K. And no, no stripper version stateside. You heard the man.

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14 Comments on “Hachi-Roku Thursday: Specs And Yen...”

  • avatar
    Educator(of teachers)Dan

    Sigh, waiting for the specs and prices for the cheapest U.S. model of both Scion and Subaru.

  • avatar

    I thought Scion’s M.O. was to sell you a stripper with options a la carte.

    • 0 avatar

      Scion is mono-spec, meaning one decently optioned trim, with everything else being installed aftermarket, either by the dealer or someone else.

      I wouldn’t exactly call them strippers though, especially the Tc. it comes with a “full length” sunroof, 18 inch wheels and a six speaker USB/ipod compatible stereo.

  • avatar

    “Specs And Yen”
    What you did there, I see it.

  • avatar

    I would only consider buying a stripped down version new.

    Or waiting a couple of years an buying one used and gutting it like a strung up pig then.

    I hope they realize how important pricing will be in the USA. 1 year old used Miata @ 16,000 vs New ’86 @ $26,000 isn’t really a contest at all.

    If this is going to be a gearhead car….they are not only competing against new cars, but used ones as well.

    • 0 avatar

      One’s a (presumably) stiff coupe with a 4 tire trunk. The other a convertible noodle with the trunk space of a motorcycle. I do like the Miata, btw; heck I owned one once; but for most people, it is quite a lot more “hard core” than the seemingly perfectly easy to live with as a daily driver 86.

      Cooper S vs 86 is a closer comparo. Or perhaps Civc Si, although I think those selling the coupe version of that one will very much feel the arrival of the 86, and not in a positive way.

      • 0 avatar

        Cone to think of it, used S2000s will probably be competitors for those buying the 86 for pure driving pleasure, as well. They’re in the high teens to low twenties, right now.

  • avatar

    If it’s more than about $24k, I don’t see it selling well. The sweet spot should be around $22,500. What am I basing that on? Well, as stated above by another brilliant chap, car guys shop used against new. A used Vette, 350z, Mustang GT, Miata and so on will be too competitive for the little Toyota.

    Other entry level cars with 200hp like the Civic Si and GTI fall at about 22k as well.

    • 0 avatar
      Educator(of teachers)Dan

      Yup the base model with no options has to be under $25K. Honestly I would like to see the “G” version sold here. I don’t need a stripped race car but I don’t need much extra crap either. Being a 2 door, 4-seat motorcycle would be fine with me.

      • 0 avatar

        I just hope whatever version they sell, don’t have some sort of “automatic climate control” that makes it cumbersome to quickly grab a largeish knob or so to direct hot air to the windshield should one need it. Thermostat controlled heating is convenient in a house (although I’ve never really suffered when I’ve stayed where the only heat source available was a wood stove), but in a car, it’s just pointless compexification.

        Curve tracking Xeons are nice, though. As is a nice, big screen nav system, heated seats and wheel.

  • avatar

    If this turns out to be a great car, I could see saving the 22-25k to buy one… and then deciding I’d rather have a 4 year old miata and a nice vacation instead.

  • avatar

    Any bore/stroke numbers? If it’s the same as the Subaru FB20, then it’s going to have the same horrible 1.44 rod ratio. Which is horribly bad for a high revving engine.

  • avatar

    Reports say 86mm bore, 86mm stroke.

  • avatar
    PJ McCombs

    2 liters, 200 hp, 2,700 lbs, RWD, and 7,000+ RPM…

    In LOVE with these specs. I haven’t been this excited about a new car in years.

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